Josh Allen mechanics are very good.
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well, when you bitch as a mod about being nicer to you, then you take to smarting off like fool, that is just the way it is. You don't get it - rapistberger went to Miami. As I remember, Miami has always had a strong team back when I was in college. He had a lot of talent around him.
Here's a clue for you - lame your butt. Rapistberger started at Miami in 2001. Now, in 2000, Miami U. went 11-1, went to the Sugar Bowl and won it. So much for bragging on your boyfriend raptistberger. Of course rapistberger had great stats, they were great before he ever got to college.
In 1998, Miami was 9-3, and they won the MicronPC Bowl.
In 1999, Miami was 9-4, and the won the Gator Bowl.
Long time lurker of the board; die hard Cleveland fan, born and raised.
I usually just sit back and read you guys, enjoying the banter and drama, but in this case I couldn't resist.
The quotes from Calfox spewing the stats about how good Rapistberger's team was around him when he was in school, finally forced me to get involved. He's going on a rant about how good "Miami U" was before Ben arrived, which would be a perfectly reasonable argument... if only he were talking about the CORRECT COLLEGE TEAM. Ben didn't attend school at the University of Miami, which is the team that went 11-1 in 2000 and won the Sugar Bowl. That school is in Florida and goes by the name "Hurricanes"... you may have heard of them. Ben went to a much lesser known school, Miami University, which is located in Ohio, goes by the "Redhawks" and is in the MAC.
They were terrible in 2000 (6-5 against MAC competition), the year before Big Ben. There was little to no talent on that team. He raised them to a 13-1 record (in his third year in college, only his fourth year playing the QB position after only playing one year at QB in high school) before deciding to go pro, and by 2006, the Redhawks returned to trash by going 2-10 (and they've had one year with a winning record since).
I understand you're passionate about Josh Allen and will basically say anything to try to convince people of your point of view, but if you are not even going to be in the right stratosphere with your "stats", people are going to lose the last remaining shred of respect they may have had for you.
Go Browns!!
Long time lurker of the board; die hard Cleveland fan, born and raised.
I usually just sit back and read you guys, enjoying the banter and drama, but in this case I couldn't resist.
The quotes from Calfox spewing the stats about how good Rapistberger's team was around him when he was in school, finally forced me to get involved. He's going on a rant about how good "Miami U" was before Ben arrived, which would be a perfectly reasonable argument... if only he were talking about the CORRECT COLLEGE TEAM. Ben didn't attend school at the University of Miami, which is the team that went 11-1 in 2000 and won the Sugar Bowl. That school is in Florida and goes by the name "Hurricanes"... you may have heard of them. Ben went to a much lesser known school, Miami University, which is located in Ohio, goes by the "Redhawks" and is in the MAC.
They were terrible in 2000 (6-5 against MAC competition), the year before Big Ben. There was little to no talent on that team. He raised them to a 13-1 record (in his third year in college, only his fourth year playing the QB position after only playing one year at QB in high school) before deciding to go pro, and by 2006, the Redhawks returned to trash by going 2-10 (and they've had one year with a winning record since).
I understand you're passionate about Josh Allen and will basically say anything to try to convince people of your point of view, but if you are not even going to be in the right stratosphere with your "stats", people are going to lose the last remaining shred of respect they may have had for you.
Go Browns!!
Now THAT'S what I call an entrance... welcome to the light!
HTF did I miss this?
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Long time lurker of the board; die hard Cleveland fan, born and raised.
I usually just sit back and read you guys, enjoying the banter and drama, but in this case I couldn't resist.
The quotes from Calfox spewing the stats about how good Rapistberger's team was around him when he was in school, finally forced me to get involved. He's going on a rant about how good "Miami U" was before Ben arrived, which would be a perfectly reasonable argument... if only he were talking about the CORRECT COLLEGE TEAM. Ben didn't attend school at the University of Miami, which is the team that went 11-1 in 2000 and won the Sugar Bowl. That school is in Florida and goes by the name "Hurricanes"... you may have heard of them. Ben went to a much lesser known school, Miami University, which is located in Ohio, goes by the "Redhawks" and is in the MAC.
They were terrible in 2000 (6-5 against MAC competition), the year before Big Ben. There was little to no talent on that team. He raised them to a 13-1 record (in his third year in college, only his fourth year playing the QB position after only playing one year at QB in high school) before deciding to go pro, and by 2006, the Redhawks returned to trash by going 2-10 (and they've had one year with a winning record since).
I understand you're passionate about Josh Allen and will basically say anything to try to convince people of your point of view, but if you are not even going to be in the right stratosphere with your "stats", people are going to lose the last remaining shred of respect they may have had for you.
Go Browns!!
lurker smercher. I was talking about Miami University. I'm old school - retired, when I was in college, Miami went to the Tangerine Bowl. I admit, I grabbed the wrong link somehow.
but you cherry picked your own stats:
your boyfriend rapistlicksbooger only played til 03.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 2001 Miami (OH) MAC FR QB 12 241 381 63.3 3105 8.1 7.9 25 13 146.5 2002 Miami (OH) MAC SO QB 12 271 428 63.3 3238 7.6 7.4 22 11 138.7 *2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 14 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_RedHawks_football
December 22, 1973 Tangerine Bowl Florida W 16–7 December 21, 1974 Tangerine Bowl Georgia W 21–10 December 20, 1975 Tangerine Bowl South Carolina W 20–7 December 13, 1986 California Bowl San Jose State L 7–37 December 18, 2003 GMAC Bowl Louisville W 49–28 December 28, 2004 Independence Bowl Iowa State L 13–17 January 6, 2011 GoDaddy.com Bowl Middle Tennessee W 35–21 December 26, 2016 St. Petersburg Bowl Mississippi State L 16–17
but you cherry picked...
That's your new, go to retort, isn't it?t
cal thought Ben Rothlisberger played for the Miami Hurricanes.
Either that or that Miami of Ohio won a Sugar Bowl, a Gator Bowl and a Peach Bowl in like a 5-year span.
Not sure which is funnier...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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I'm just glad this thread has remained a calm. rational, dispassionate analysis of separate but objectively reconcilable perspectives.
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I'm just glad this thread has remained a calm. rational, dispassionate analysis of separate but objectively reconcilable perspectives.
I'm just glad this thread has remained a calm. rational, dispassionate analysis of separate but objectively reconcilable perspectives.
Lord knows, I've tried.... earlier on, that is.
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Over 30K posts would tend to be evidence against the highlighted statement.
Edit...errr OK...sorry...I got it wrong about who is saying they sit back and read. Sorry Cal.
You underestimate the power of being a Trumpette. They should call it the cal board, not the political board. If you think he kisses players over here, go over there.
You underestimate the power of being a Trumpette. They should call it the cal board, not the political board. If you think he kisses players over here, go over there.
Does he kiss DTs shitehole?
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but you cherry picked...
That's your new, go to retort, isn't it?t
cal thought Ben Rothlisberger played for the Miami Hurricanes.
Either that or that Miami of Ohio won a Sugar Bowl, a Gator Bowl and a Peach Bowl in like a 5-year span.
Not sure which is funnier...
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hippo-arse-Tour
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Ha, I'll just (maybe) rename this the "official Josh Allen Love Fest Thread. "
I knew Cal would get all warm and fuzzy after I posted that YouTube in another thread. I demand credit for seeing it first.
That said, perfect mechanics don't necessarily translate to perfect accuracy. Kosar's mechanics were a mess, but he was able to throw one of the best deep balls in the NFL.
well, since you got all whiney redass, I did respond knee jerkly a bit, but I don't get the reasoning. Look above:
Josh Allen, his first year starting, had a higher completion percentage than Rosen ever has in college (see above LOL)
. I just decided to say whatever else there IS to say, ONLY in this one thread. And yes, I have seen that video before, but decided to post it with my responses since you brought it up.
well, since you got all whiney redass, I did respond knee jerkly a bit, but I don't get the reasoning. Look above:
Josh Allen, his first year starting, had a higher completion percentage than Rosen ever has in college (see above LOL)
. I just decided to say whatever else there IS to say, ONLY in this one thread. And yes, I have seen that video before, but decided to post it with my responses since you brought it up.
The only thing you have pointed out to me is that he has regressed or at best he hasn't improved since he was a Freshmen. You can argue that he had a poor supporting cast around him, and you can make the same case for Both Darnold and Rosen, but a poor supporting cast doesn't account for a 10% drop in passing accuracy.
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fine, if that is how you see it. I see it as the first half - Mayfield, vs the second half Mayfield.
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"The Heisman Trophy winner was lights out in the first half, but the high-powered Sooners offense could only muster one offensive touchdown in the second half.For Oklahoma, the second half drives went like this: punt, punt, punt, interception, punt, and a grand total of 37 yards.Woof. How did this happen after putting up 31 first half points?
Lincoln Riley went to a horribly conservative play-calling style in the second half, relying on running back Rodney Anderson and not attacking the Bulldogs down the field, something which was so successful in the first half.And when Oklahoma needed to get back to its aggressive attack, Mayfield tried to do too much. Holding the ball in the pocket too long, resulting in five sacks, and trying to squeeze throws into tight windows, resulting in an interception which forfeited the Sooners’ lead."
When his team needed him most, Mayfield didn’t make the plays he needed to. He threw for only 87 yards in the second half, and wasn’t the same Mayfield everyone saw in the first.
"That is what is going to haunt him in the months to come: The tale of two Baker Mayfields.The flamboyant and celebratory Mayfield is a great player, but another version of the Heisman winner appears when the Sooners have faced adversity.Flail your arms and slash your throat, Mr. Mayfield, but make sure it’s you all the time, not just when it’s convenient."
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So, by your reasoning, Mayfield "regressed" the second half of the game, very badly. Same opponent, same players around him.
So, Mayfield sucks? A lot of factors go into a team's performance, and so it is with Allen's performance. qb's don't work alone - it's a team game. I have never once said that Allen is ready to step in and start in the NFL. But I think Mayfield has limitations in his game, and the Rose Bowl shows it. And, qb's who play in a pro style offense in college don't get to have the completion percentage stats that those qb's do in the spread offense.
And, no, it's invalide to compare the same situation with Wyoming talent versus UCLA and USC. They do not play a pro style offense. I even posted where UCLA admitted they tried to go to a pro style offense, and they couldn't do it with the players they had.
THAT, is with what most consider to be the top qb's in the draft. Darnold had 13 INTs this past season, add the fumbles to that..
and I'm not knocking Darnold, but simply trying to explain what I see - a kid who may be arguably the best overall qb in the draft - but there are questions. There are questions about Allen - but he makes some plays that rosen, mayfield, and darnold don't, and can't. None of the three match his athleticism, or his arm. Now, does Darnold see the field better than Allen? beats me - different offenses.
Not saying I'm right, but that is how I see it. That's all.
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You underestimate the power of being a Trumpette. They should call it the cal board, not the political board. If you think he kisses players over here, go over there.
have a nice day, leftwing rosen-bum.
have a nice day, leftwing rosen-bum.
# Never Trump- says card carrying Republican....
So, by your reasoning, Mayfield "regressed" the second half of the game, very badly. Same opponent, same players around him.
Darnold don't, and can't. None of the three match his athleticism, or his arm. Now, does Darnold see the field better than Allen? beats me - different offenses.
Not saying I'm right, but that is how I see it. That's all.
So by my reasoning Allen can hit the broadside of a barn 5 out of ten tries.. you want to do one half of football to say Mayfield isn't very good- I have 5 games on Allen that say
HE SUCKS
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have a nice day, leftwing rosen-bum.
# Never Trump- says card carrying Republican....
So, by your reasoning, Mayfield "regressed" the second half of the game, very badly. Same opponent, same players around him.
Darnold don't, and can't. None of the three match his athleticism, or his arm. Now, does Darnold see the field better than Allen? beats me - different offenses.
Not saying I'm right, but that is how I see it. That's all.
So by my reasoning Allen can hit the broadside of a barn 5 out of ten tries.. you want to do one half of football to say Mayfield isn't very good- I have 5 games on Allen that say
HE SUCKS
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Fair enough - see my thread on maybe not drafting a qb in the first round after all. Do you still have ryan leaf's poster on yer wall?
I wanted Wentz last time, totally, didn't want Goff. I'm not THAT far off. and do have a nice day.
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not really. everything that can be said, has been said. and it isn't even Feb.
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there were haters of Wentz, too. Happens every year.
I just watch Allen play, and though he may take some time to start in the NFL, I think he has the highest upside of any qb in the draft.
Best pocket passer? of course not. But he has very serious skills - NFL scouts know it. He does have weaknesses, every single qb does.
Weaknesses
When rolling out, will float it a little too much when taking shots down the field. Allows passing windows to close quickly when he short arms his release. Needs a little more consistency on anticipatory throws outside the hash. Will get caught locking in on target bringing secondary charging in to make a play on the ball. Inconsistent footwork from the pocket. Arm gets ahead of his feet even with time to come to balance. Needs to pick up pace of his post-snap setup. Has to put a little extra air on his field-side throws. Can be a little flat with his downfield, touch throws. Has to eliminate the occasional nonchalant throw into tight quarters. Doesn't look comfortable yet with bootleg rollouts to the left. Broke a bone in his throwing wrist in October sidelining him for eight weeks. Dealt with arm and shoulder injuries as a baseball player in high school. Lower level of competition could cause issues for him adapting to NFL speed.
Hoorta want a hankie?
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