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  • What’s fascinating is how vital defense is to being successful.

    Top 5 scoring defenses this year:

    1. Vikings

    2. Jaguars

    3. Chargers

    4. Eagles

    5. Patriots

  • What’s fascinating is how vital defense is to being successful.

    Top 5 scoring defenses this year:

    1. Vikings

    2. Jaguars

    3. Chargers

    4. Eagles

    5. Patriots

    @lionofbuddha said:

    What’s fascinating is how vital defense is to being successful.

    Top 5 scoring defenses this year:

    1. Vikings

    2. Jaguars

    3. Chargers

    4. Eagles

    5. Patriots

    The Patriots defense has been playing better of late...but they've been an issue for most of the season.

    Defense wins Championships.  -  That statement only starts to make sense when your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs.  It's in the playoffs where the Defense CAN be the great separator.  It's quite immaterial to us because our offense isn't ANYWHERE NEAR good enough to get us into the playoffs.

  • Of the three you could build a case that Keenum is legit. 

    @jcam222 said:

    Of the three you could build a case that Keenum is legit. 

    I don't know about that Keenum threw up more then a few questionable passes today almost Bortles like.

  • Keenum's name will be thrown around in Cleveland in the offseason ... Just saying.

    Not by me though.

    If we don't have have Consins, Rosen or Darnold under center then I'm going to give up trying to figure out this franchise.

    Zombo

  • @lionofbuddha said:

    What’s fascinating is how vital defense is to being successful.

    Top 5 scoring defenses this year:

    1. Vikings

    2. Jaguars

    3. Chargers

    4. Eagles

    5. Patriots

    The Patriots defense has been playing better of late...but they've been an issue for most of the season.

    Defense wins Championships.  -  That statement only starts to make sense when your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs.  It's in the playoffs where the Defense CAN be the great separator.  It's quite immaterial to us because our offense isn't ANYWHERE NEAR good enough to get us into the playoffs.

    @orion said:

    The Patriots defense has been playing better of late...but they've been an issue for most of the season.

    Defense wins Championships.  -  That statement only starts to make sense when your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs.  It's in the playoffs where the Defense CAN be the great separator.  It's quite immaterial to us because our offense isn't ANYWHERE NEAR good enough to get us into the playoffs.

    It was obvious that NE had identified Henry as the target to stop dead cold forcing the game onto Mariota to pass or run. They stacked in 7-8 defenders nearly every play with a combination run stopping pass rush that pressured him and took away Henry all game long. Mariota just could not deliver. There were multiple times when Henry was wide open out of the backfield and Mariota just failed to look for him. I would argue that Bortles showed more progress from beginning to end of this season than Mariota. It particularly was shown in the playoff games. And Brady had enough time to build a fire and roast marshmallows while singing cumbaya for his offensive line in their game.

  • and two of the best nfl defenses are in the championship games. Someone on here that says defense is entirely irrelevant is looking a little silly 

    @londonbrown said:

    and two of the best nfl defenses are in the championship games. Someone on here that says defense is entirely irrelevant is looking a little silly 

    You Know Who that is.   Glommy.

  • What no mention of that Brady guy?

    @mjp28 said:

    What no mention of that Brady guy?

    Quinn?

  • @lionofbuddha said:

    What’s fascinating is how vital defense is to being successful.

    Top 5 scoring defenses this year:

    1. Vikings

    2. Jaguars

    3. Chargers

    4. Eagles

    5. Patriots

    The Patriots defense has been playing better of late...but they've been an issue for most of the season.

    Defense wins Championships.  -  That statement only starts to make sense when your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs.  It's in the playoffs where the Defense CAN be the great separator.  It's quite immaterial to us because our offense isn't ANYWHERE NEAR good enough to get us into the playoffs.

    @orion said:

    The Patriots defense has been playing better of late...but they've been an issue for most of the season.

    Defense wins Championships.  -  That statement only starts to make sense when your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs.  It's in the playoffs where the Defense CAN be the great separator.  It's quite immaterial to us because our offense isn't ANYWHERE NEAR good enough to get us into the playoffs.

    On the other hand....when a game ends 45-42.....😳

  • None of the three are.  All 3 have good defenses and solid running game

    @baconhound said:

    None of the three are.  All 3 have good defenses and solid running game

    All 3 made the plays they needed to win games..  it takes all 3 phases to win a game...

  • @orion said:

    The Patriots defense has been playing better of late...but they've been an issue for most of the season.

    Defense wins Championships.  -  That statement only starts to make sense when your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs.  It's in the playoffs where the Defense CAN be the great separator.  It's quite immaterial to us because our offense isn't ANYWHERE NEAR good enough to get us into the playoffs.

    It was obvious that NE had identified Henry as the target to stop dead cold forcing the game onto Mariota to pass or run. They stacked in 7-8 defenders nearly every play with a combination run stopping pass rush that pressured him and took away Henry all game long. Mariota just could not deliver. There were multiple times when Henry was wide open out of the backfield and Mariota just failed to look for him. I would argue that Bortles showed more progress from beginning to end of this season than Mariota. It particularly was shown in the playoff games. And Brady had enough time to build a fire and roast marshmallows while singing cumbaya for his offensive line in their game.

    @texasag1969 said:

    And Brady had enough time to build a fire and roast marshmallows while singing cumbaya for his offensive line in their game.

    Not SOOooo much in recent years but that point is what Brady has had going for him throughout his career.  I would watch Patriots games and say, "Boy, if OUR guy had HALF that much time even HE could find a receiver."

  • @jcam222 said:

    Of the three you could build a case that Keenum is legit. 

    I don't know about that Keenum threw up more then a few questionable passes today almost Bortles like.

    @richiswhere said:

    I don't know about that Keenum threw up more then a few questionable passes today almost Bortles like.

    I did see he threw a couple scary ones towards the end 

  • @richiswhere said:

    I don't know about that Keenum threw up more then a few questionable passes today almost Bortles like.

    I did see he threw a couple scary ones towards the end 

    @jcam222 said:

    I did see he threw a couple scary ones towards the end 

    He sort of had a Mad Bomber thing going for him....but it worked.

  • What no mention of that Brady guy?

    @mjp28 said:

    What no mention of that Brady guy?

    Too subtle for you?

  • Bortles = Kizer?

  • Bortles = Kizer?

    @westside-steve said:

    Bortles = Kiser?

    No.  At least not with his play lately.  The question may be can Kizer become like Bortles?  A guy that still has episodes of erratic accuracy...but who cuts down on the TOs....and for some stretches can play up to his draft status.   (Bortles was 3rd overall).

  • Keenum's name will be thrown around in Cleveland in the offseason ... Just saying.

    Not by me though.

    If we don't have have Consins, Rosen or Darnold under center then I'm going to give up trying to figure out this franchise.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Keenum's name will be thrown around in Cleveland in the offseason ... Just saying.

    Not by me though.

    If we don't have have Consins, Rosen or Darnold under center then I'm going to give up trying to figure out this franchise.

    Zombo

    A rookie isn't taking this team anywhere but where we've already been. It's time to stop pinning our hopes on them 

  • @mjp28 said:

    What no mention of that Brady guy?

    Too subtle for you?

    @richiswhere said:

    Too subtle for you?

    No. I had a minor in sarcasm in school. 😆

    Actually with all of the nationwide worship of Sir Thomas Brady it just seemed funny not seeing his name first in CAPS.

  • None of the three are.  All 3 have good defenses and solid running game

    @baconhound said:

    None of the three are.  All 3 have good defenses and solid running game

    Without Keenum, the defense and running game eat penis and stay home next week.

    IT IS ALL ABOUT THE QB

  • Zombo said:

    Keenum's name will be thrown around in Cleveland in the offseason ... Just saying.

    Not by me though.

    If we don't have have Consins, Rosen or Darnold under center then I'm going to give up trying to figure out this franchise.

    Zombo

    A rookie isn't taking this team anywhere but where we've already been. It's time to stop pinning our hopes on them 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    A rookie isn't taking this team anywhere but where we've already been. It's time to stop pinning our hopes on them 

    Ain't nothing wrong with drafting the best QB in the land. Teams do it all the time and it often works out nicely.

    Zombo

  • Foles is a bit of a misnomer because he took over a team built all season on the true franchise dude. 

    Say what you will about Bortles, but he looked pretty damn good when it mattered Sunday. Exact same with Keenum.

    Man, the potential names available for a veteran QB are going to be very interesting this year.