The Jacksonville approach
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We have some good young players and a ton of picks. If we land say Cousins, Richardson, and Johnson to go with our strong front 7, offensive line, Gordon, and Njoku, we have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds to plug whatever holes we have left. Mainly focusing on secondary and skill players on offense.
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I believe Sashi pretty much had an aversion to free agency. He wanted to get the best guy he could for the cheapest price. But that meant he signed very few actually good players. I don't know if, per se, Jimmy told him to hold the line on salaries...but that was the Sashi/Depo approach.
Do we know about Dorsey's track record with FAs? Will he go after some big fish? He has the cap space....will he use it?
I agree that several things could/should happen that would potentially put this team on good footing....even for next year:
A. That they DO acquire 3-4 quality free agents to give this team a boost in talent.
B. That they hit quite well with their 5 first and second round draft picks...and beyond. Look at the Saints...they had 4 rookies contributing mightily to a team that went to the playoffs after being fairly shite for 3 years.
C. That their current young players improve. The Garrett's, Njokus, Peppers, Sheltons, Ogbah's, Colemans...both of them, Nassib, Schobert, Ogunjobi and etc. etc.
D. That some of their top players get healthy and stay healthy....including Joe Thomas, Jamie Collins, Ogbah....and this includes young guys like Howard Wilson...and Rod Johnson.
E. We need all of these things to happen....and one more: that our coaching staff not be the epitome of ineptitude that they appeared to be last year. This, in fact, may be the hardest of each of these factors to achieve.
And, well...I dont 'know if that is the Jacksonville way...but it needs to be the Cleveland way.
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closest team to what Denver did to slap Brady in a playoff game..No need to lose a blitzer when your front 4 can get in backfield.Fast LB'ers. Jags back end maybe younger than Denver's was? but damn Jags can cover & tackle..question Jags covering a TE cause when Ben found McDonald that game changed from 21 down..Edit--Haslem spent over 130M on player extentions & FA's..Haslem could proberly pick a better WR than Kenny Britt..
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I get the impression a lot of people think the Browns don't want to spend money on FA's. As I see it, they didn't want to spend money on players who would make them good enough to keep losing forever. As it is now, they have a lot of "tape" on young players that will allow them to better pick in the draft and the FA market. By that I mean they have a better idea of the talent level of the roster. I really believe the strategy over the last two seasons was to go young and lose often, gather up as many good draft picks as possible and get the QB of the future in this draft (2018). That's why it was so easy to trade down from Wentze and Watson...neither were compelling prospects and the 2018 QB's provided a safety net that allowed the Browns to load up on draft picks and lose with youth (as in develope homegrown talent) safe in the knowledge that they would get their QB in this draft. LB Schobert is a prime example. Does he emerge as a pro bowl LB if he was playing behind a 28-30 year old FA LB? No. Do the Browns get their choice of QB's in this draft with 2-4 FA's starting in 2017 and getting us 3-4 wins? No. This team is poised to start winning games and moving forward on the overall talent level issue. Sashi Brown is a victim of his own system (see Dr. Frankenstien's monster). The new front office should have the know how to get us the talent via FA and the draft that Sashi Brown gave his professional life for. I think we as Browns fans are looking at a very dynamic near future for talent gathering and team building. Keep in mind, the AFC North is an aging division and Cleveland could be the up and coming power of the AFC North. In a QB driven league the Browns are set to draft their QB of the next decade and the rest of the division is hoping to squeeze another 1-3 seasons out of their aging QB's. Good luck to them in finding another franchise QB to replace their retiring franchise QB.
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I don't like it. The approach that we've committed to is the right one. Just because Sashi Shmucked up a trade that Hue wanted to make, let's not jump ship. Hue is and has been the problem. Look at coaching on any level. You either have it or you don't. Hue might be a likeable guy and all, and the players might not throw him under the bus, but it's apparent, that Hue is deficient in several key aspects that really good coaches excel in.
Discipline, Execution and Development. I've yet to see Hue push the envelop on any of these factors. He's as Jim Brown would say, "ordinary".
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Stay the course. Forget about over-priced free agents. You come to Cleveland if you want to prove your worth, if you want to leave a legacy. If you want to be remembered as a player that turned the tide, that broke the curse. Champions need only apply. If you are a FA looking for a big payday before you ride off into the sunset- eat a finger. I have to believe that as the last crop begins to "come of age" and bond with the crop from the year before, added to some young and hungry blue-chip players- the worse is behind us.
-Don't overspend on FAs that are going to take reps away from young talent that is about to emerge. That is ONE surefire way to sabotage the whole rebuild. We're fine, we're growing, we haven't won yet but it's coming. BELIEVE. You have to believe. It is a required ingredient to success. The players need to believe, the coaches need to believe and the fans need to believe. We can win if we stick together and fight for each other. But whatever you do, don't snuff out the ember that is developing within this team to win, now that they've felt the loss, seen the parade, felt the laughter... now is when we need to calcify and strengthen our will to win.
For years we went to the "quick fix" the simple answer, switch coaches, fire the FO, new GM... another New Quarterback... on and on. Last year, was a growing pain. There were significant cuts made and many pruning of limbs that encouraged growth, don't expect full apples from undeveloped sprouts, let the sprouts grow and thrive in this new environment and soon we'll have the apples(wins) that we so long to taste.
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Stay the course. Forget about over-priced free agents. You come to Cleveland if you want to prove your worth, if you want to leave a legacy. If you want to be remembered as a player that turned the tide, that broke the curse. Champions need only apply. If you are a FA looking for a big payday before you ride off into the sunset- eat a finger. I have to believe that as the last crop begins to "come of age" and bond with the crop from the year before, added to some young and hungry blue-chip players- the worse is behind us.
-Don't overspend on FAs that are going to take reps away from young talent that is about to emerge. That is ONE surefire way to sabotage the whole rebuild. We're fine, we're growing, we haven't won yet but it's coming. BELIEVE. You have to believe. It is a required ingredient to success. The players need to believe, the coaches need to believe and the fans need to believe. We can win if we stick together and fight for each other. But whatever you do, don't snuff out the ember that is developing within this team to win, now that they've felt the loss, seen the parade, felt the laughter... now is when we need to calcify and strengthen our will to win.
For years we went to the "quick fix" the simple answer, switch coaches, fire the FO, new GM... another New Quarterback... on and on. Last year, was a growing pain. There were significant cuts made and many pruning of limbs that encouraged growth, don't expect full apples from undeveloped sprouts, let the sprouts grow and thrive in this new environment and soon we'll have the apples(wins) that we so long to taste.
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I believe Sashi pretty much had an aversion to free agency. He wanted to get the best guy he could for the cheapest price. But that meant he signed very few actually good players. I don't know if, per se, Jimmy told him to hold the line on salaries...but that was the Sashi/Depo approach.
Do we know about Dorsey's track record with FAs? Will he go after some big fish? He has the cap space....will he use it?
I agree that several things could/should happen that would potentially put this team on good footing....even for next year:
A. That they DO acquire 3-4 quality free agents to give this team a boost in talent.
B. That they hit quite well with their 5 first and second round draft picks...and beyond. Look at the Saints...they had 4 rookies contributing mightily to a team that went to the playoffs after being fairly shite for 3 years.
C. That their current young players improve. The Garrett's, Njokus, Peppers, Sheltons, Ogbah's, Colemans...both of them, Nassib, Schobert, Ogunjobi and etc. etc.
D. That some of their top players get healthy and stay healthy....including Joe Thomas, Jamie Collins, Ogbah....and this includes young guys like Howard Wilson...and Rod Johnson.
E. We need all of these things to happen....and one more: that our coaching staff not be the epitome of ineptitude that they appeared to be last year. This, in fact, may be the hardest of each of these factors to achieve.
And, well...I dont 'know if that is the Jacksonville way...but it needs to be the Cleveland way.
I believe Sashi pretty much had an aversion to free agency. He wanted to get the best guy he could for the cheapest price.
But was that owner mandated?
We'll find out this offseason...but I feel like we'll never be any good until Jimmuh gives up the team. (go to jail Haslam)
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Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31
Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31
It's not a bad idea to build a base or nucleus of the team through the draft maybe get some blue chip top picks -but- when the necessary good/great FA players come along it would be nice with their cap room to land a few.
QUESTION do good/great FAs really want to go to Cleveland now? It's worked somewhat for the Indians but they have the FO, manager and core winning team established, same for the Cavaliers except for LBJ getting old(er).
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Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31
It's not a bad idea to build a base or nucleus of the team through the draft maybe get some blue chip top picks -but- when the necessary good/great FA players come along it would be nice with their cap room to land a few.
QUESTION do good/great FAs really want to go to Cleveland now? It's worked somewhat for the Indians but they have the FO, manager and core winning team established, same for the Cavaliers except for LBJ getting old(er).
It's not a bad idea to build a base or nucleus of the team through the draft maybe get some blue chip top picks -but- when the necessary good/great FA players come along it would be nice with their cap room to land a few.
QUESTION do good/great FAs really want to go to Cleveland now? It's worked somewhat for the Indians but they have the FO, manager and core winning team established, same for the Cavaliers except for LBJ getting old(er).
More chance of getting decent FA's now we have Dorsey and Wolfe in the FO
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It's not a bad idea to build a base or nucleus of the team through the draft maybe get some blue chip top picks -but- when the necessary good/great FA players come along it would be nice with their cap room to land a few.
QUESTION do good/great FAs really want to go to Cleveland now? It's worked somewhat for the Indians but they have the FO, manager and core winning team established, same for the Cavaliers except for LBJ getting old(er).
More chance of getting decent FA's now we have Dorsey and Wolfe in the FO
More chance of getting decent FA's now we have Dorsey and Wolfe in the FO
And who really was responsible for the Britt disaster anyway, Sushi or Huey?
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And who really was responsible for the Britt disaster anyway, Sushi or Huey?
Sushi was in charge of the 53 man roster, so I would say that one was on him.
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According to overthecap.com the Browns have 110+ million of cap space. Jacksonville spent heavily the last couple of years and it has paid off. We theoretically have enough money to make 6 players the highest paid in their position. I don't think it's a good idea, but just to get an idea of how much cap we have here is what we could do.
K. Cousins- 27m
L. Bell- 15m
J. Landry- 18m
S. Richardson- 20m
T. Johnson- 15m
L. Joyner- 13m
That's 108 million of our 110+ million in cap space. It would put us in cap hell in the future but we really should make a move for 3 or 4 of these guys. We wouldn't have to pay some of these guys that much but we could if need be. Bottom line we can turn this team around over night just like Jacksonville did.
Yup... Britt was on the FO... and Britt.
I don't think it's a good idea...
I agree.... not having enough cap space to sign your own draft is never a good idea.
I get the impression a lot of people think the Browns don't want to spend money on FA's. As I see it, they didn't want to spend money on players who would make them good enough to keep losing forever. As it is now, they have a lot of "tape" on young players that will allow them to better pick in the draft and the FA market. By that I mean they have a better idea of the talent level of the roster.
I really believe the strategy over the last two seasons was to go young and lose often, gather up as many good draft picks as possible and get the QB of the future in this draft (2018). That's why it was so easy to trade down from Wentze and Watson...neither were compelling prospects and the 2018 QB's provided a safety net that allowed the Browns to load up on draft picks and lose with youth (as in develope homegrown talent) safe in the knowledge that they would get their QB in this draft. LB Schobert is a prime example. Does he emerge as a pro bowl LB if he was playing behind a 28-30 year old FA LB? No. Do the Browns get their choice of QB's in this draft with 2-4 FA's starting in 2017 and getting us 3-4 wins? No.
This team is poised to start winning games and moving forward on the overall talent level issue. Sashi Brown is a victim of his own system (see Dr. Frankenstien's monster). The new front office should have the know how to get us the talent via FA and the draft that Sashi Brown gave his professional life for. I think we as Browns fans are looking at a very dynamic near future for talent gathering and team building. Keep in mind, the AFC North is an aging division and Cleveland could be the up and coming power of the AFC North. In a QB driven league the Browns are set to draft their QB of the next decade and the rest of the division is hoping to squeeze another 1-3 seasons out of their aging QB's. Good luck to them in finding another franchise QB to replace their retiring franchise QB.
Pretty astute for a Newb... now if you'll just master the concept of paragraphs...
In a nutshell drafting and developing young talent was the primary route selected by this organization. It was not the exclusive route as veteran additions Zeitler, Tretter, Collins, McCourty and others including, yes, Britt, stand as testimony. Some of this vet talent was far from "cheap"... something "highest paid" tends to not be.
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And who really was responsible for the Britt disaster anyway, Sushi or Huey?
Tour will tell you it was "the consensus". LOL, it's the guys getting around in a circle and pointing fingers at everyone but themselves saying "it's your fault."
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And who really was responsible for the Britt disaster anyway, Sushi or Huey?
Tour will tell you it was "the consensus". LOL, it's the guys getting around in a circle and pointing fingers at everyone but themselves saying "it's your fault."
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The Jags approach:
1. Hired a new FO guy, a "football guy"... check
2. New coach to change the culture.. FAIL
3. Draft a top 3 QB... we will see
4. Commit to running the football and playing great defense... personnel-close, coaching-nowhere near
5. Stack starting 11 ( on both sides) with 1st & 2nd rounders and FAs... getting there with picks, need more impact FAs
Overall, the Browns still have a lot of work to do...
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Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31
Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31
I would like to pork his wife. I don't care about this schiddy team. I want to pork Haslams wife. Hell, I'll pork Haslam.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31
I would like to pork his wife. I don't care about this schiddy team. I want to pork Haslams wife. Hell, I'll pork Haslam.
I would like to pork his wife. I don't care about this schiddy team. I want to pork Haslams wife. Hell, I'll pork Haslam.
You have to pork Hue first....chain of command...Hue reports directly to Haslam ...and is that before or after you have done Paxton
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Our owner thinks its better to get new players through the draft and to steer clear of FA studs......he.thinks it's the better policy in obtaining his goal of 1-31
I would like to pork his wife. I don't care about this schiddy team. I want to pork Haslams wife. Hell, I'll pork Haslam.
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