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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    plain truth is, the dems refuse to secure our borders - they want the voter demographics to keep turning blue.

    that is why they balk at a wall. They gave lip service to it for votes, but happily ignored it after the elections.

    Reps are open to the good dreamers staying, etc etc....

    but the dems refuse to allow the wall to be built. And, the wall is seriously needed. They already have designs that

    experts have real trouble getting over/past. It's all on the dems. They are refusing to let the reps accomplish anything if they can help it.

        McConnell needs to declare the nuclear option. The dems will happily use it anytime they want for their advantage. It's a crock -

    nothing can get done in the senate, with reps having a majority. That's a crock.

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      plain truth is, the dems refuse to secure our borders - they want the voter demographics to keep turning blue.

      that is why they balk at a wall. They gave lip service to it for votes, but happily ignored it after the elections.

      Reps are open to the good dreamers staying, etc etc....

      but the dems refuse to allow the wall to be built. And, the wall is seriously needed. They already have designs that

      experts have real trouble getting over/past. It's all on the dems. They are refusing to let the reps accomplish anything if they can help it.

          McConnell needs to declare the nuclear option. The dems will happily use it anytime they want for their advantage. It's a crock -

      nothing can get done in the senate, with reps having a majority. That's a crock.

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      @calfoxwc said:

      plain truth is, the dems refuse to secure our borders - they want the voter demographics to keep turning blue.

      that is why they balk at a wall. They gave lip service to it for votes, but happily ignored it after the elections.

      Reps are open to the good dreamers staying, etc etc....

      but the dems refuse to allow the wall to be built. And, the wall is seriously needed. They already have designs that

      experts have real trouble getting over/past. It's all on the dems. They are refusing to let the reps accomplish anything if they can help it.

          McConnell needs to declare the nuclear option. The dems will happily use it anytime they want for their advantage. It's a crock -

      nothing can get done in the senate, with reps having a majority. That's a crock.

      Shumer offered up the wall to Trump Friday and just re-offered this afternoon.

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        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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        for what? I think you are swayed by Schumer's lie:

        http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/20/mick-mulvaney-chuck-schumer-border-wall-sot.cnn

        Just another dirty trick. Full acceptance of broad DACA for a pittiance of money that won't begin to actually get the wall done at all.

        Just a partial truth to work the lie to manipulate their base.

        Gotta start believing the whole truth sometime, Tex.

        https://www.axios.com/schumers-plan-to-stop-the-wall-1513300762-24cd4cc0-cc99-4d39-a2d0-0ec7d2f7a5aa.html

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          @calfoxwc said:

          plain truth is, the dems refuse to secure our borders - they want the voter demographics to keep turning blue.

          that is why they balk at a wall. They gave lip service to it for votes, but happily ignored it after the elections.

          Reps are open to the good dreamers staying, etc etc....

          but the dems refuse to allow the wall to be built. And, the wall is seriously needed. They already have designs that

          experts have real trouble getting over/past. It's all on the dems. They are refusing to let the reps accomplish anything if they can help it.

              McConnell needs to declare the nuclear option. The dems will happily use it anytime they want for their advantage. It's a crock -

          nothing can get done in the senate, with reps having a majority. That's a crock.

          Shumer offered up the wall to Trump Friday and just re-offered this afternoon.

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          @texasag1969 said:

          Shumer offered up the wall to Trump Friday and just re-offered this afternoon.

          Only if the immigration Lottery and chain immigration stayed in place as they are and the so-called dreamers get amnesty. Fuc the wall and fuk the dreamers.

          The wall itself is just a phony chip, a bluff. The main entrance of illegals is overstaying their visas. Plus we have thousands of miles on each side of the country and the Canadian border if anybody just wants to sneak in.

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            @texasag1969 said:

            Shumer offered up the wall to Trump Friday and just re-offered this afternoon.

            Only if the immigration Lottery and chain immigration stayed in place as they are and the so-called dreamers get amnesty. Fuc the wall and fuk the dreamers.

            The wall itself is just a phony chip, a bluff. The main entrance of illegals is overstaying their visas. Plus we have thousands of miles on each side of the country and the Canadian border if anybody just wants to sneak in.

            WSS

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            @westside-steve said:

            Only if the immigration Lottery and chain immigration stayed in place as they are and the so-called dreamers get amnesty. Fuc the wall and fuk the dreamers.

            The wall itself is just a phony chip, a bluff. The main entrance of illegals is overstaying their visas. Plus we have thousands of miles on each side of the country and the Canadian border if anybody just wants to sneak in.

            WSS

            It may be phony to intelligent people, but it isn't phony to Trump. Neither was his claim that Mexico would pay for it. He actually believed that too. And the whole birther issue? Same there. He is not a smart man except for being bought by the Russian oligarchs. That he was good at.

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              DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              Well, if he dumb, he sure has accomplished a lot.  MAGA!

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                @westside-steve said:

                Only if the immigration Lottery and chain immigration stayed in place as they are and the so-called dreamers get amnesty. Fuc the wall and fuk the dreamers.

                The wall itself is just a phony chip, a bluff. The main entrance of illegals is overstaying their visas. Plus we have thousands of miles on each side of the country and the Canadian border if anybody just wants to sneak in.

                WSS

                It may be phony to intelligent people, but it isn't phony to Trump. Neither was his claim that Mexico would pay for it. He actually believed that too. And the whole birther issue? Same there. He is not a smart man except for being bought by the Russian oligarchs. That he was good at.

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                @texasag1969 said:

                It may be phony to intelligent people, but it isn't phony to Trump. Neither was his claim that Mexico would pay for it. He actually believed that too. And the whole birther issue? Same there. He is not a smart man except for being bought by the Russian oligarchs. That he was good at.

                In typical lib fashion, you keep bringing up the Russkies.

                Just wait until they release the memo, and you will probably sing a different tune.

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                  @texasag1969 said:

                  It may be phony to intelligent people, but it isn't phony to Trump. Neither was his claim that Mexico would pay for it. He actually believed that too. And the whole birther issue? Same there. He is not a smart man except for being bought by the Russian oligarchs. That he was good at.

                  In typical lib fashion, you keep bringing up the Russkies.

                  Just wait until they release the memo, and you will probably sing a different tune.

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                  @canton-dawg said:

                  In typical lib fashion, you keep bringing up the Russkies.

                  Just wait until they release the memo, and you will probably sing a different tune.

                  I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

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                    @canton-dawg said:

                    In typical lib fashion, you keep bringing up the Russkies.

                    Just wait until they release the memo, and you will probably sing a different tune.

                    I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

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                    @texasag1969 said:

                    I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

                    Mueller will prove nothing, because there is nothing to prove.

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                      @canton-dawg said:

                      In typical lib fashion, you keep bringing up the Russkies.

                      Just wait until they release the memo, and you will probably sing a different tune.

                      I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

                         Independent <> critically thinking

                      wanna bet Meuller resigns/goes to jail/is fired before Trump even has to do fire him?

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                          Another thing about a shut down.  You may or may not realize it, but all the people who are deemed 'non-essential' and sent home, will all get back pay.  So essentially, they are getting a free paid vacation courtesy of the taxpayer.  

                          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                            The government will shut down! We will all die!

                            WSS

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            The government will shut down! We will all die!

                            WSS

                            My life is completely out of order!!!!!!

                            Sometimes - oftentimes? - the government works BEST when it's shut down.

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

                                 Independent <> critically thinking

                              wanna bet Meuller resigns/goes to jail/is fired before Trump even has to do fire him?

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                              @calfoxwc said:

                                 Independent <> critically thinking

                              wanna bet Meuller resigns/goes to jail/is fired before Trump even has to do fire him?

                              I bet that Trump is more likely to pull a Nixon by firing/replacing people above Mueller so they will fire him. Reason is that Trump is ignorant of history or he would not have already fired Comey and admitted it was for the Russia investigation. It was just as good as the Nixon WH tapes because it's right there on videotape. Get rid of the one man both sides said up front was the absolute best for the position and watch the fireworks begin.

                              EDIT: Here's the thing cal, if Mueller finds nothing that is impeachable and just prosecutes those who were involved in criminal offense, then I have no problem with Trump keeping his position. I still believe in innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He earned it through the election despite my thinking that he is an absolute pathological liar. It won't be the first time we have placed a man in that position with a lot of character flaws and if that's the man the country wants, so be it. Character flaw is not impeachable unless it crosses the line into criminal behavior. That has to be proven by the law of the land. I support that far more than our current President. It's part of that conservative background I have just as intolerance of liars is a part of that same upbringing.

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                                Women's March Madness:

                                "The day's biggest cheers came when activists in Las Vegas thanked Senate Democrats, and said that the government shutdown should not end until immigrants brought to the United States as children won legal status."

                                "We stand in solidarity with the Dreamers and with the senators who are fighting back and saying, they are Americans too", said Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards".

                                - Both quotes came from an AP article written by Haven Daley and John Locher.      Published in the Hartford Courant on January 22, 2018

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                                  I bet that Trump is more likely to pull a Nixon by firing/replacing people above Mueller so they will fire him. Reason is that Trump is ignorant of history or he would not have already fired Comey and admitted it was for the Russia investigation. It was just as good as the Nixon WH tapes because it's right there on videotape. Get rid of the one man both sides said up front was the absolute best for the position and watch the fireworks begin. TexAg

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                                  It's politically expedient for you to say that, but the truth is:

                                  https://www.ammoland.com/2018/01/president-trumps-first-year/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=6c086a8031-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-6c086a8031-20770865#axzz54uzIcxoI

                                  and the corrupt deep state, starting with good nazi type dirty comey pronouncing Higgardly is not guilty well before  the major part of the pretend investigation was finished - at dirty lynch's instruction. fbi agents saying they have to have something to prevent Trump from actually becoming president...and you have dirty mueller, rosenstien, holder, obaMao, and a cast of other crooks, who sold out our country's uranium to russia.

                                  and now, the fbi has admitted months of text messages by those dirty fbi agents plotting against Trump were deleted.and you have the fabricated, paid for by higgardly and the dnc AND THE FBI... fake dossier that they used to get Trump,'which is what they did it all for - they faked reason to spy on him. That is many, many thousands of times more serious that watergate.

                                  the leftist corrupt deep state filth goes even deeper. Stay tuned. The corrupt leftist deep state is in very serious legal trouble, and the new report is going to be a bombshell.

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                                    Another thing about a shut down.  You may or may not realize it, but all the people who are deemed 'non-essential' and sent home, will all get back pay.  So essentially, they are getting a free paid vacation courtesy of the taxpayer.  

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                                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                    Another thing about a shut down.  You may or may not realize it, but all the people who are deemed 'non-essential' and sent home, will all get back pay.  So essentially, they are getting a free paid vacation courtesy of the taxpayer.  

                                    That's true DieHard. I recall having that happen when I worked for the VA, though I was not furloughed myself because of the essential clause. I'm not sure how that affected hourly paid people though. Most were on annual salary.

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                                      @canton-dawg said:

                                      In typical lib fashion, you keep bringing up the Russkies.

                                      Just wait until they release the memo, and you will probably sing a different tune.

                                      I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

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                                      @texasag1969 said:

                                      I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

                                      Tex, I like you just fine. But you are no more of an independent thinker than Cal. I can't tell from reading your posts what particular conservative ideals you support but it certainly seems like your entire political perspective is based on a personal hatred of the president.

                                      Let me ask you a straight question. Do you think the resolution to fund the government should be tied to amnesty for the so-called dreamers?   Plus could you answer that question without unnecessary comments about tax cuts for the rich or the Russians?

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                                        @texasag1969 said:

                                        I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.

                                        Tex, I like you just fine. But you are no more of an independent thinker than Cal. I can't tell from reading your posts what particular conservative ideals you support but it certainly seems like your entire political perspective is based on a personal hatred of the president.

                                        Let me ask you a straight question. Do you think the resolution to fund the government should be tied to amnesty for the so-called dreamers?   Plus could you answer that question without unnecessary comments about tax cuts for the rich or the Russians?

                                        WSS

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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        Tex, I like you just fine. But you are no more of an independent thinker than Cal. I can't tell from reading your posts what particular conservative ideals you support but it certainly seems like your entire political perspective is based on a personal hatred of the president.

                                        Let me ask you a straight question. Do you think the resolution to fund the government should B tide to amnesty for the so-called dreamers?   Plus could you answer that question without unnecessary comments about tax cuts for the rich or the Russians?

                                        WSS

                                        I have never tried to hide my animosity for Trump because of his pathological lying (See my edit above). That doesn't make him impeachable as explained above unless he crossed the line into criminal behavior which must then be proven in a court of law. As to the Dreamers it appears that both sides agree on this and I don't think it should be tied to the shutdown. What I'm not sure of is exactly what Trump has agree to, first with the bipartisan group led by Graham and then the individual agreement with Schumer, only to go back on both after being influenced by the radical right who don't believe in compromise any more than those on the radical left. And that is the kind of thing that drives decent elected officials crazy, Trump cannot be counted on to be a man of his word because he doesn't even understand the concept. Pathological liars never do.

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                                          omgawd. but obaMao wasn't a liar? LOL Eight years of lying by the dems, corrupt activities by the dems? But NOW

                                          indignant claims against TRUMP ? lol.

                                          it just never ends. Some folks just are indoctrinated by the deep state. It's hopeless.

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