Let the hand-wringing begin
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Let's take a poll. Do you think they fund the gov till Feb. 8 and do they finally come up with a comprehensive agreement concerning all these issues? Two part question.
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All I'm trying to do is get a straight answer out of you. I'm not being insulting. But if you're going to claim that the president made a deal and then reneged that's one thing. If you're going to hedge your statement by saying that you don't know because you weren't in the room that's quite another.
What's say I'm not even holding you to an exact accounting. What would be your guess as to the president's promise and which Provisions did he change after making it? Just a guess would be fine.
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Steve my best understanding is that Graham and Durbin presented their comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform, DACA, border reform, etc. to the President who agreed to sign it. Then two days later he reneged. Shumer's seemed less specific but included giving the funding for the wall as a part of the border reforms. Again he said Trump agreed and again reneged. The real problem is the real racist in the WH, Steven Miller. He keeps bending Trump's ear and I think causing this continued problem with going back on his words to both parties, Rep & Dem. That is what you hear senate Republicans complaining about more vocally each day. That is why you can hear them taking over leadership because they can't count on Trump to take a stand and stay there on bipartisan agreements.
Steve my best understanding is that Graham and Durbin presented their comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform, DACA, border reform, etc. to the President who agreed to sign it. Then two days later he reneged. That's what Shumer's seemed less specific but included giving the funding for the wall as a part of the border reforms. Again he said Trump agreed and again reneged. The real problem is the real racist in the WH, Steven Miller. He keeps bending Trump's ear and I think causing this continued problem with going back on his words to both parties, Rep & Dem. That is what you here senate Republicans complaining about more vocally each day. That is why you can hear them taking over leadership because they can't count on Trump to take a stand and stay there on bipartisan agreements.First of all I believe what Chuck Schumer says about as much as you believe what Donald Trump says. Also the deal on the wall came after the impasse. It also included the continuance of the immigration Lottery as well as chain immigration which the president has always being against. How about you?
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This is CBS News, not exactly The Blaze.
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Steve my best understanding is that Graham and Durbin presented their comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform, DACA, border reform, etc. to the President who agreed to sign it. Then two days later he reneged. That's what Shumer's seemed less specific but included giving the funding for the wall as a part of the border reforms. Again he said Trump agreed and again reneged. The real problem is the real racist in the WH, Steven Miller. He keeps bending Trump's ear and I think causing this continued problem with going back on his words to both parties, Rep & Dem. That is what you here senate Republicans complaining about more vocally each day. That is why you can hear them taking over leadership because they can't count on Trump to take a stand and stay there on bipartisan agreements.First of all I believe what Chuck Schumer says about as much as you believe what Donald Trump says. Also the deal on the wall came after the impasse. It also included the continuance of the immigration Lottery as well as chain immigration which the president has always being against. How about you?
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First of all I believe what Chuck Schumer says about as much as you believe what Donald Trump says. Also the deal on the wall came after the impasse. It also included the continuance of the immigration Lottery as well as chain immigration which the president has always being against. How about you?
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As I said I do not know the details of the agreement with Shumer. Never saw it explained. I was more concerned anyway with the bipartisan agreement Graham & Durbin brought to him and thought they had agreement on with the president to sign if passed. Graham is still miffed at his shifting gears constantly when Miller gets involved.
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In typical lib fashion, you keep bringing up the Russkies.
Just wait until they release the memo, and you will probably sing a different tune.
I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.
I think it really bothers you guys that I can be an independent thinker with a conservative background who thinks we have a traitor in the WH. Every time I bring it up out come the "liberal" labels because you just can't fathom how a conservative thinker has come to a different conclusion than you. He's a corrupt liar who is doing a PT Barnum on this democracy and tearing it apart to protect his ill gotten gains. Mueller is going to prove it in court. Follow the money of the Trump Empire and it leads back to Russia. Sooner or later you will understand you've been conned.
Mueller and associates have been investigating the Trump/Russia collusion for over a year and a half and nothing has been brought forward.
If Trump was knee deep in cahoots with the Soviets, they would've found it long ago...and trust me, they would announce it far and wide.
I was never a Trump supporter, but more of an anti-Hillary and anti mainstream media guy.
The more I see the MSM grasping at straws to find any little thing on Trump, it makes me warm and fuzzy on the inside.
I get out of bed every day giddy, because I know that another fukkin Clinton won't be in the White House.
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First of all I believe what Chuck Schumer says about as much as you believe what Donald Trump says. Also the deal on the wall came after the impasse. It also included the continuance of the immigration Lottery as well as chain immigration which the president has always being against. How about you?
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As I said I do not know the details of the agreement with Shumer. Never saw it explained. I was more concerned anyway with the bipartisan agreement Graham & Durbin brought to him and thought they had agreement on with the president to sign if passed. Graham is still miffed at his shifting gears constantly when Miller gets involved.
As I said I do not know the details of the agreement with Shumer. Never saw it explained. I was more concerned anyway with the bipartisan agreement Graham & Durbin brought to him and thought they had agreement on with the president to sign if passed. Graham is still miffed at his shifting gears constantly when Miller gets involved.
Yet in truth you have no idea what was included in this bipartisan agreement or how either party may or may not have changed it at the last minute. Nor do I.
This is my guess. And only a guess. They were close to an agreement Trump said something mean about shiteholes (of which Haiti and many African nations certainly qualify as) and Senator Schumer took that opportunity to try to force a poison pill DACA provision into it.
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What I hear going on today finally is the centrists in both major parties are taking back government from the left and right wingnuts in their respective parties. That is a major step from the past decade plus.
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What I hear going on today finally is the centrists in both major parties are taking back government from the left and right wingnuts in their respective parties. That is a major step from the past decade plus.
What I hear going on today finally is the centrists in both major parties are taking back government from the left and right wingnuts in their respective parties. That is a major step from the past decade plus.
Yes. We shall see. By the way it's good to have a civil discussion about this crap. For myself I've never seen Trump has being a crazed right winger. Which is why so many of the never trumper's seem to hate him.
I was more angry with the freedom caucus, or whatever they call themselves, for blocking the legislation most of which I agree with wholeheartedly.
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What I hear going on today finally is the centrists in both major parties are taking back government from the left and right wingnuts in their respective parties. That is a major step from the past decade plus.
What I hear going on today finally is the centrists in both major parties are taking back government from the left and right wingnuts in their respective parties. That is a major step from the past decade plus.
Would be great if true
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Ya man.
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Here is a list (by party) of the bi-partisan group of centrists who finally broke the gridlock together. Support the ones of your choice. I wish I lived in Maine where Independent King and moderate Republican Collins would represent my conservative independent thinking quite well. They don't always vote the same way, but they both are very good at listening to all sides of an issue before making up their own independent minds to cast their votes. I also am glad to see 3 of my siblings represented by common sense Republican Cory Gardner of Colorado. At least I have Cornyn who hangs out with Graham on many issues and was part of the bipartisan group that thought they had an agreement with Trump. Texas' Cruz has no backbone and sniveled up to Trump's butt despite Trump claiming Cruz's father was in on the JFK assassination and his wife was an ugly wart or something. No respect for a man who won't stand up for his family.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/21/us/politics/bipartisan-senators-government-shutdown.html
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Here is a list (by party) of the bi-partisan group of centrists who finally broke the gridlock together. Support the ones of your choice. I wish I lived in Maine where Independent King and moderate Republican Collins would represent my conservative independent thinking quite well. They don't always vote the same way, but they both are very good at listening to all sides of an issue before making up their own independent minds to cast their votes. I also am glad to see 3 of my siblings represented by common sense Republican Cory Gardner of Colorado. At least I have Cornyn who hangs out with Graham on many issues and was part of the bipartisan group that thought they had an agreement with Trump. Texas' Cruz has no backbone and sniveled up to Trump's butt despite Trump claiming Cruz's father was in on the JFK assassination and his wife was an ugly wart or something. No respect for a man who won't stand up for his family.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/21/us/politics/bipartisan-senators-government-shutdown.html
Here is a list (by party) of the bi-partisan group of centrists who finally broke the gridlock together. Support the ones of your choice. I wish I lived in Maine where Independent King and moderate Republican Collins would represent my conservative independent thinking quite well. They don't always vote the same way, but they both are very good at listening to all sides of an issue before making up their own independent minds to cast their votes. I also am glad to see 3 of my siblings represented by common sense Republican Cory Gardner of Colorado. At least I have Cornyn who hangs out with Graham on many issues and was part of the bipartisan group that thought they had an agreement with Trump. Texas' Cruz has no backbone and sniveled up to Trump's butt despite Trump claiming Cruz's father was in on the JFK assassination and his wife was an ugly wart or something. No respect for a man who won't stand up for his family.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/21/us/politics/bipartisan-senators-government-shutdown.html
It's good to keep your wishes within reach. I don't know where you live in Texas but it's just under 2000 miles from Dallas to Bangor.
Also I would guess that the number of illegals is much less than in Texas.
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And then there's this...
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/census/state-minority-population-data-estimates.html
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Here is a list (by party) of the bi-partisan group of centrists who finally broke the gridlock together. Support the ones of your choice. I wish I lived in Maine where Independent King and moderate Republican Collins would represent my conservative independent thinking quite well. They don't always vote the same way, but they both are very good at listening to all sides of an issue before making up their own independent minds to cast their votes. I also am glad to see 3 of my siblings represented by common sense Republican Cory Gardner of Colorado. At least I have Cornyn who hangs out with Graham on many issues and was part of the bipartisan group that thought they had an agreement with Trump. Texas' Cruz has no backbone and sniveled up to Trump's butt despite Trump claiming Cruz's father was in on the JFK assassination and his wife was an ugly wart or something. No respect for a man who won't stand up for his family.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/21/us/politics/bipartisan-senators-government-shutdown.html
It's good to keep your wishes within reach. I don't know where you live in Texas but it's just under 2000 miles from Dallas to Bangor.
Also I would guess that the number of illegals is much less than in Texas.
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It's good to keep your wishes within reach. I don't know where you live in Texas but it's just under 2000 miles from Dallas to Bangor.
Also I would guess that the number of illegals is much less than in Texas.
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I love lobster but I can't stand the cold waters there. As to the illegals, since Trump got elected I very rarely hear Mexican radio stations blaring at worksites in the housing that is still going up on my bicycle rides. They do very professional work BTW. We have a major source of limestone here which is used instead of brick. Those guys work wonders with that stuff. Real artists. Not surprising given the stonework heritage from Aztecs, Toltecs and Mayans in Mexico.
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It's good to keep your wishes within reach. I don't know where you live in Texas but it's just under 2000 miles from Dallas to Bangor.
Also I would guess that the number of illegals is much less than in Texas.
WSS
I love lobster but I can't stand the cold waters there. As to the illegals, since Trump got elected I very rarely hear Mexican radio stations blaring at worksites in the housing that is still going up on my bicycle rides. They do very professional work BTW. We have a major source of limestone here which is used instead of brick. Those guys work wonders with that stuff. Real artists. Not surprising given the stonework heritage from Aztecs, Toltecs and Mayans in Mexico.
I love lobster but I can't stand the cold waters there. As to the illegals, since Trump got elected I very rarely hear Mexican radio stations blaring at worksites in the housing that is still going up on my bicycle rides. They do very professional work BTW. We have a major source of limestone here which is used instead of brick. Those guys work wonders with that stuff. Real artists. Not surprising given the stonework heritage from Aztecs, Toltecs and Mayans in Mexico.
I lived in Texas for a while, I love Mexicans. Some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Still can't get behind illegal immigration, at people that purposely blur the line between legal and illegal piss me off , sorry.
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I love lobster but I can't stand the cold waters there. As to the illegals, since Trump got elected I very rarely hear Mexican radio stations blaring at worksites in the housing that is still going up on my bicycle rides. They do very professional work BTW. We have a major source of limestone here which is used instead of brick. Those guys work wonders with that stuff. Real artists. Not surprising given the stonework heritage from Aztecs, Toltecs and Mayans in Mexico.
I lived in Texas for a while, I love Mexicans. Some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Still can't get behind illegal immigration, at people that purposely blur the line between legal and illegal piss me off , sorry.
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I lived in Texas for a while, I love Mexicans. Some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Still can't get behind illegal immigration, at people that purposely blur the line between legal and illegal piss me off , sorry.
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It's probably good that I take a historical perspective on this into account. Most Texans will not admit that Texas was a colony of Mexico which owed territory all the way up into lower Wyoming. Had Santa Anna been a little more of a benevolent leader, I'd be Mexican of Anglo descent (family had a land grant in the Austin Colony) and Texas would still be a Mexican state. Then I'd be a fan of the Mexico City Aztecs (formerly Cleveland Browns) when they make Ghoolie's move.
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"I knew he wanted me to check out prototypes, so I found this one that has lasted for 2000 years plus."
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I lived in Texas for a while, I love Mexicans. Some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Still can't get behind illegal immigration, at people that purposely blur the line between legal and illegal piss me off , sorry.
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It's probably good that I take a historical perspective on this into account. Most Texans will not admit that Texas was a colony of Mexico which owed territory all the way up into lower Wyoming. Had Santa Anna been a little more of a benevolent leader, I'd be Mexican of Anglo descent (family had a land grant in the Austin Colony) and Texas would still be a Mexican state. Then I'd be a fan of the Mexico City Aztecs (formerly Cleveland Browns) when they make Ghoolie's move.
It's probably good that I take a historical perspective on this into account. Most Texans will not admit that Texas was a colony of Mexico which owed territory all the way up into lower Wyoming. Had Santa Anna been a little more of a benevolent leader, I'd be Mexican of Anglo descent (family had a land grant in the Austin Colony) and Texas would still be a Mexican state. Then I'd be a fan of the Mexico City Aztecs (formerly Cleveland Browns) when they make Ghoolie's move.
Texas has only been a state since 1845. How far back in history should we go? Before the Spanish over ran the Inca and Mayans?
Pre 1519?
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ah, Texas. Was in basic in San Antonio, went on a cool trip to the Alamo back in the 70's. I envisioned the Alamo as a majestic fortress out in the middle of a sagebrush plain.
It was a small brick building downtown, with x-rated movie theater across the street.
Going back there- it's cool, would NEVER live there. Can't walk in your yard for red ants, etc. Where the in-laws lived,it was called "tarantula" hill near them, til they killed them all off.
Just not my kind of place.
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