Rosen
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Decent article: https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-deep-ball-accuracy-josh-rosen-best-bunch/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
And since we're feeding traffic to Performance Labs Of California...
lol... just noticed the tennis veins in his arm in the opening freeze-frame.
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A lot of Browns fans are extremely annoyed by the QB position because so many of us wanted Jimmy Garoppolo, and Sashi couldn't figure out how to get it done. Much has been made about the Patriots not wanting to send him to the Browns, and they didn't want to treat him like that, etc. But we don't specifically know what Sashi offered, and nobody can tell me that if we offered the #12 pick before the draft, the Patriots turn it down. I won't believe it. Then, after the season starts, we still don't get him. The Patriots are a shrewd business bunch, and although they wanted to do right by Garoppolo, all that crap goes out of the window if Browns offered the 2018 Texans pick for him. Can I prove it? No. Do I really have to? No. Every team in the planet would trade their backup QB for a first rounder.
The most annoying part was hearing people say, "But Garoppolo will fail in Cleveland because we don't have weapons!" Oh really? Can anybody name the San Francisco weapons? I can't. And the crazy thing is that the 49's kicked a crap load of FG's. They would have blown teams out if they were better in the red zone, which is always tough for QBs learning a new system. I remember I said to give the Patriots whatever they want for Garoppolo because in the end NOTHING matters but having your QB. In my mind, that's why Sashi is gone. Everything else could've been forgiven, but not letting a QB get away.
So we're back to hoping for a 22 year old kid to be our savior. Somebody kill me now. I like Rosen. I love his arm, his calmness in the pocket, the way he can push the ball, throw with accuracy, and his good height. But we had a decent OL and we all saw how Kizer had to run for his life. Kizer has better mobility than Rosen, and I don't see how we could keep Rosen healthy. That's my BIGGEST concern with drafting the kid. Kizer and Rosen are listed at similar sizes, but Kizer definitely has the edge in mass....something that can't be understated. For all of Kizer's faults, nobody can say the kid wasn't tough as nails. I was so proud of Kizer in that Steelers game. Heinz Field is a place we've seen PLENTY of Browns QBs just wilt, but Kizer grew stronger in the game after a very shaky start. Take that last 4th and 2 play for example. Kizer makes an all star play and Corey obviously drops it, but could Rosen escape that rush? And don't say Rosen would've gotten the ball out quickly before I'm pretty sure NOBODY was open right away (I COULD be wrong, haven't seen the all 22).
Anyway, I think we're in trouble. If we don't pull a giant miracle out of our ear and get one of the two freaking veteran qb's that could hopefully change a team right away, we're in deep trouble. We don't get Cousins or Smith, then we're drafting a QB #1. We draft a QB #1, and you KNOW the pressure to play him right away will be suffocating. I just don't see it, man. I don't see any of these guys coming into the draft as day 1 starters. Maybe Rosen, but his concussion history and his lack of escape-ability, make me hesitant. Darnold is a turnover machine, and Baker has talent, but will need time. I think the qb class last year was much better, and I'm scared to death we're going to pick a QB because everyone thinks we need to, and we're going to throw him in before he's ready.
I was right with you on everything until you said last years class was better. It may end up being viewed that way with the help of hindsight, but if Watson didn’t play like Superman before he blew out a wheel, would you still believe that?
Mahomes could end up being the next Favre, Trubisky could end up being the next Dalton and Watson could end up being the next RG3, but there were even more questions about the QB position last year than we’re facing now. Rosen and Darnold would likely both be taken ahead of Trubisky if both classes were lumped together.
I was right with you on everything until you said last years class was better. It may end up being viewed that way with the help of hindsight, but if Watson didn’t play like Superman before he blew out a wheel, would you still believe that?
Mahomes could end up being the next Favre, Trubisky could end up being the next Dalton and Watson could end up being the next RG3, but there were even more questions about the QB position last year than we’re facing now. Rosen and Darnold would likely both be taken ahead of Trubisky if both classes were lumped together.
The more I thought about it, the more I think you're correct. Maybe what I meant to say is that I PERSONALLY would take Trubisky over any of those qb's (obviously with hindsight I'd take Watson, but Trubisky was my favorite). I saw him somehow beat my Noles while I was AT that game and that's when I made up my mind. I loved his accuracy, toughness, and attitude. He was my guy. Sure he had question marks, but I like him better than Rosen and Darnold. However, in terms of ranking Trubisky as a prospect, you're right...he would be behind Rosen, as would probably Watson and Mahomes. However, I will disagree with you on one thing. While I do believe some people would rank Darnold ahead of Trubisky, there would certainly be those who wouldn't. Darnold is a turnover machine and that's the one thing an NFL qb just can't do. He scares me to death and I want nothing to do with him. Imagine drafting Darnold and we start him over Kizer because of the immense pressure that comes with playing the #1 pick. Can you IMAGINE suffering through another year of mind-boggling turnovers as Darnold attempts to figure it out? Perhaps in wrong and that wouldn't happen...but if someone is struggling with turnovers in college, I don't see how it gets better in the pros right away.
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Thin, fragile,. Bad under pressure, bad attitude, no thanks
Given the amount of passing attempts asked of him, coupled with a shaky Oline and questionable receivers - his 4th quarter stats would argue against "bad under pressure".
Given the amount of passing attempts asked of him, coupled with a shaky Oline and questionable receivers - his 4th quarter stats would argue against "bad under pressure".
A Question on Rosen..Would the Browns medical staff or team diet guru's (of any team) try to bulk Rosen up like they did with Kessler to avoid concussions? Do ya think speeding up extra bulk, had anything to do with Kessler's mechcanics or failures catching up? Thanks..(wonder what Rosen's combine weight target number is? played at 218lbs. on 6'5" frame I think?)
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Given the amount of passing attempts asked of him, coupled with a shaky Oline and questionable receivers - his 4th quarter stats would argue against "bad under pressure".
A Question on Rosen..Would the Browns medical staff or team diet guru's (of any team) try to bulk Rosen up like they did with Kessler to avoid concussions? Do ya think speeding up extra bulk, had anything to do with Kessler's mechcanics or failures catching up? Thanks..(wonder what Rosen's combine weight target number is? played at 218lbs. on 6'5" frame I think?)
A Question on Rosen..Would the Browns medical staff or team diet guru's (of any team) try to bulk Rosen up like they did with Kessler to avoid concussions? Do ya think speeding up extra bulk, had anything to do with Kessler's mechcanics or failures catching up? Thanks..(wonder what Rosen's combine weight target number is? played at 218lbs. on 6'5" frame I think?)
I bet he shrinks to 6' 3 5/8"and 199 by combine time.
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A Question on Rosen..Would the Browns medical staff or team diet guru's (of any team) try to bulk Rosen up like they did with Kessler to avoid concussions? Do ya think speeding up extra bulk, had anything to do with Kessler's mechcanics or failures catching up? Thanks..(wonder what Rosen's combine weight target number is? played at 218lbs. on 6'5" frame I think?)
I bet he shrinks to 6' 3 5/8"and 199 by combine time.
I bet he shrinks to 6' 3 5/8"and 199 by combine time.
Mayfield will be 5'8 then...
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Why Josh Rosen is the obvious quarterback choice for the Browns at No. 1: Podcast
Updated 8:59 AM; Posted 8:55 AMUCLA quarterback Josh Rosen is the right guy for the Browns at No. 1, NFL Draft analyst Joe Marino said of the latest Takes By the Lake podcast.(Mark J. Terrill, Associated Press)
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Draft analyst Joe Marino, who works for NDT Scouting and writes for Fanragsports.com, put out this tweet recently.
Josh Rosen is the most NFL-ready QB I've evaluated since Andrew Luck.
This should not be a hard decision for the #Browns. #NFLDraft #UCLA
-- Joe Marino (@TheJoeMarino) January 16, 2018So I called him. And I couldn't wait.
Normally, we do one Takes By The Lake podcast every week, on a Friday, but I wanted to talk to Joe now. So this is a special Monday Takes By The Lake and we'll come back with another episode on Friday.
It's the Senior Bowl this week, so there's going to be a ton of draft talk. Joe is there, and we discussed what he wants to see from Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, the two biggest QB names at the game this week.
But we focused on his evaluation of Rosen, the UCLA quarterback.
As I attempt to remain open-minded about the quarterback the Browns should draft, I want to talk to people with strong opinions about the quarterback they love.
Marino qualifies when it comes to Rosen. Follow Joe on Twitter at @TheJoeMarino.
Make sure you're subscribed to our cleveland.com sports podcast feed at iTunes.
====> Podcast link is at bottom of article: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/why_josh_rosen_in_the_obvious.html
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Joe Marino rocks.
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Why Josh Rosen is the obvious quarterback choice for the Browns at No. 1: Podcast
Updated 8:59 AM; Posted 8:55 AMUCLA quarterback Josh Rosen is the right guy for the Browns at No. 1, NFL Draft analyst Joe Marino said of the latest Takes By the Lake podcast.(Mark J. Terrill, Associated Press)CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Draft analyst Joe Marino, who works for NDT Scouting and writes for Fanragsports.com, put out this tweet recently.
Josh Rosen is the most NFL-ready QB I've evaluated since Andrew Luck.
This should not be a hard decision for the #Browns. #NFLDraft #UCLA
-- Joe Marino (@TheJoeMarino) January 16, 2018So I called him. And I couldn't wait.
Normally, we do one Takes By The Lake podcast every week, on a Friday, but I wanted to talk to Joe now. So this is a special Monday Takes By The Lake and we'll come back with another episode on Friday.
It's the Senior Bowl this week, so there's going to be a ton of draft talk. Joe is there, and we discussed what he wants to see from Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, the two biggest QB names at the game this week.
But we focused on his evaluation of Rosen, the UCLA quarterback.
As I attempt to remain open-minded about the quarterback the Browns should draft, I want to talk to people with strong opinions about the quarterback they love.
Marino qualifies when it comes to Rosen. Follow Joe on Twitter at @TheJoeMarino.
Make sure you're subscribed to our cleveland.com sports podcast feed at iTunes.
====> Podcast link is at bottom of article: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/why_josh_rosen_in_the_obvious.html
Why Josh Rosen is the obvious quarterback choice for the Browns at No. 1: Podcast
Updated 8:59 AM; Posted 8:55 AM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen is the right guy for the Browns at No. 1, NFL Draft analyst Joe Marino said of the latest Takes By the Lake podcast.(Mark J. Terrill, Associated Press)
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Draft analyst Joe Marino, who works for NDT Scouting and writes for Fanragsports.com, put out this tweet recently.
Josh Rosen is the most NFL-ready QB I've evaluated since Andrew Luck.
This should not be a hard decision for the #Browns. #NFLDraft #UCLA
-- Joe Marino (@TheJoeMarino) January 16, 2018So I called him. And I couldn't wait.
Normally, we do one Takes By The Lake podcast every week, on a Friday, but I wanted to talk to Joe now. So this is a special Monday Takes By The Lake and we'll come back with another episode on Friday.
It's the Senior Bowl this week, so there's going to be a ton of draft talk. Joe is there, and we discussed what he wants to see from Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, the two biggest QB names at the game this week.
But we focused on his evaluation of Rosen, the UCLA quarterback.
As I attempt to remain open-minded about the quarterback the Browns should draft, I want to talk to people with strong opinions about the quarterback they love.
Marino qualifies when it comes to Rosen. Follow Joe on Twitter at @TheJoeMarino.
Make sure you're subscribed to our cleveland.com sports podcast feed at iTunes.
====> Podcast link is at bottom of article: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/why_josh_rosen_in_the_obvious.html
I agree with you in that Rosen is probably by far the most "NFL Ready" QB coming out of college, and I wouldn't be afraid of drafting him at all if he medically checks out and he really does want to play for us. I couldn't handle a controversy in which we draft a guy and he pulls an "Eli Manning"...I just couldn't. So at this "way too early" junction, I'm still firmly in the group desperately wanting a veteran QB in 2018, and at the top are obviously Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins. I'm really not sure what our chances of getting either of those guys are, but in my crazy mind, I feel like we have about a 25% chance to get one of them. The tricky part about THAT is what do we do with the #1 pick? If we somehow get Cousins (which I don't think is possible, regardless of recent stories), his age would probably let us pass on taking a QB high in the draft. Alex Smith is a different story, and I'm not sure if we'd still take a QB at 1 or 4, if we'd trade back, or what the heck we'd do.
I don't foresee Rosen dropping his stock before the draft because I feel he's going to really shine at the combine (if he throws), and especially at his pro day. Rosen throws a drop-dead gorgeous ball, and what I love is how effortless he makes throwing it appear. He doesn't appear to put everything he has into the toss, yet the ball explodes out of his hand on a tight spiral. I also like his ability to hang in the pocket and remain calm while delivering the rock.
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t doesn't matter what you posted. But I did read it. You said you "cared" about who we get in here, over above and beyond that person's ability to be a successful QB of this team. As if there is some personal reason for your choice: My point: there should be no " caring". The ONLY thing I care about is having a successful QB. I ONLY care about his personal life, habits, attitudes if and when it affects his on field performance. Sure...if a guy is going to go OJ or Rae Carruth or Michael Vick on us...I care to the point that his action fuyucks things up for this team, because he will be suspended or in jail etc. I CARE about what JMZ did because he became a fuyuck up....and it hurt this team, because in theory he could be the franchise QB we need. But I didn't prejudge him.....I only judged him after he fuyucked things up for us and the Browns.
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ah. so you want to keep making the same freaking mistake, and will only admit it failed AFTER he screws up for your team. That's pretty bogus. THAT is why you really know a whole LOT about your picks. So you ....can.........avoid.......jm's, and gordons. You can bet the Browns will pre-judge every player they draft. They can't afford to make the mistakes anymore. Have a nice Ryan Leaf day, and "God Bless Ya" !
Sorry maybe it was you who "knew" Art was going to be a great nfl qb:
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Joe Marino rocks.
Joe Marino rocks.
Is there a video by Otto Elway?
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t doesn't matter what you posted. But I did read it. You said you "cared" about who we get in here, over above and beyond that person's ability to be a successful QB of this team. As if there is some personal reason for your choice: My point: there should be no " caring". The ONLY thing I care about is having a successful QB. I ONLY care about his personal life, habits, attitudes if and when it affects his on field performance. Sure...if a guy is going to go OJ or Rae Carruth or Michael Vick on us...I care to the point that his action fuyucks things up for this team, because he will be suspended or in jail etc. I CARE about what JMZ did because he became a fuyuck up....and it hurt this team, because in theory he could be the franchise QB we need. But I didn't prejudge him.....I only judged him after he fuyucked things up for us and the Browns.
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ah. so you want to keep making the same freaking mistake, and will only admit it failed AFTER he screws up for your team. That's pretty bogus. THAT is why you really know a whole LOT about your picks. So you ....can.........avoid.......jm's, and gordons. You can bet the Browns will pre-judge every player they draft. They can't afford to make the mistakes anymore. Have a nice Ryan Leaf day, and "God Bless Ya" !
Sorry maybe it was you who "knew" Art was going to be a great nfl qb:
t doesn't matter what you posted. But I did read it. You said you "cared" about who we get in here, over above and beyond that person's ability to be a successful QB of this team. As if there is some personal reason for your choice: My point: there should be no " caring". The ONLY thing I care about is having a successful QB. I ONLY care about his personal life, habits, attitudes if and when it affects his on field performance. Sure...if a guy is going to go OJ or Rae Carruth or Michael Vick on us...I care to the point that his action fuyucks things up for this team, because he will be suspended or in jail etc. I CARE about what JMZ did because he became a fuyuck up....and it hurt this team, because in theory he could be the franchise QB we need. But I didn't prejudge him.....I only judged him after he fuyucked things up for us and the Browns.
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ah. so you want to keep making the same freaking mistake, and will only admit it failed AFTER he screws up for your team. That's pretty bogus. THAT is why you really know a whole LOT about your picks. So you ....can.........avoid.......jm's, and gordons. You can bet the Browns will pre-judge every player they draft. They can't afford to make the mistakes anymore. Have a nice Ryan Leaf day, and "God Bless Ya" !
Sorry maybe it was you who "knew" Art was going to be a great nfl qb:
Sorry, but there is something deep psychologically about your Rosen hatred..that I think has nothing to do with your view of his "character".
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t doesn't matter what you posted. But I did read it. You said you "cared" about who we get in here, over above and beyond that person's ability to be a successful QB of this team. As if there is some personal reason for your choice: My point: there should be no " caring". The ONLY thing I care about is having a successful QB. I ONLY care about his personal life, habits, attitudes if and when it affects his on field performance. Sure...if a guy is going to go OJ or Rae Carruth or Michael Vick on us...I care to the point that his action fuyucks things up for this team, because he will be suspended or in jail etc. I CARE about what JMZ did because he became a fuyuck up....and it hurt this team, because in theory he could be the franchise QB we need. But I didn't prejudge him.....I only judged him after he fuyucked things up for us and the Browns.
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ah. so you want to keep making the same freaking mistake, and will only admit it failed AFTER he screws up for your team. That's pretty bogus. THAT is why you really know a whole LOT about your picks. So you ....can.........avoid.......jm's, and gordons. You can bet the Browns will pre-judge every player they draft. They can't afford to make the mistakes anymore. Have a nice Ryan Leaf day, and "God Bless Ya" !
Sorry maybe it was you who "knew" Art was going to be a great nfl qb:
Sorry, but there is something deep psychologically about your Rosen hatred..that I think has nothing to do with your view of his "character".
Sorry, but there is something deep psychologically about your Rosen hatred..that I think has nothing to do with your view of his "character".
It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology.
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nah. I just don't draft jerks and qb's with off the field problems. same goes for any position - but qb is the number one position where it matters. The guy you draft could easily be a Mayfield - he's just a kid, has done some stupid stuff - you can figure he loves the game, though, that he's a fighter right to the end of a game you can't win, would inspire his teammates, etc etc etc... On the field - I don't see where rosie loves the game. he loves himself - he's entitled to have a hot rub, he's a rich kid, so fook everybody else. I mean, he had to go to another college to get a girlfriend, and ADMITTED that he had a real problem with women on campus who "don't know him". He does love himself. I think you just think he's pretty enough to be your boyfriend, just like Art Schichter. You need to learn from your mistakes.
Truth is, I would draft Mayfield way before a whiny little arrogant beeatch qb with more physical talent.
See, here's the thing - I am really brilliant in that I always try to do something stupid only once. OTH, you like to keep making the same stupid mistake repeatedly.
Not my cup of tea, G.
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Sorry, but there is something deep psychologically about your Rosen hatred..that I think has nothing to do with your view of his "character".
It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology.
It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology.
bs. it's all lies. I bashed him repeated well before I read that on the board and looked it up.
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Sorry, but there is something deep psychologically about your Rosen hatred..that I think has nothing to do with your view of his "character".
It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology.
It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology.
The Trump insult...or the Trump methodology.
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Joe Marino rocks.
Joe Marino rocks.
If a 3-yo vid by a different person of the same name is the best you can do, then your game is really off, Princess.
Love your sticking with the hits tho... girlfriend, twisted "admissions"...
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Joe Marino rocks.
If a 3-yo vid by a different person of the same name is the best you can do, then your game is really off, Princess.
Love your sticking with the hits tho... girlfriend, twisted "admissions"...
If a 3-yo vid by a different person of the same name is the best you can do, then your game is really off, Princess.
Love your sticking with the hits tho... girlfriend, twisted "admissions"...
you miss the point, your lowness. I was mocking how important the guy was. I don't care. Why is it you rosie lovers
say "that is only one opinion, whine moan bitch" but when it's only one opinion that AGREES with you, it's a very, very, very,
very important. Have a nice day explaining that, cinderella.
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I think it’s because not all opinions are created equal. One is a former college QB who actually watches film and has had success in projecting NFL QBs in the past, the other is an old guy not involved in the football industry in the least who clings to Internet rumors and what prospect’s girlfriends look like.
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I think it’s because not all opinions are created equal. One is a former college QB who actually watches film and has had success in projecting NFL QBs in the past, the other is an old guy not involved in the football industry in the least who clings to Internet rumors and what prospect’s girlfriends look like.
I think it’s because not all opinions are created equal. One is a former college QB who actually watches film and has had success in projecting NFL QBs in the past, the other is an old guy not involved in the football industry in the least who clings to Internet rumors and what prospect’s girlfriends look like.
I"m not that old. My Father-in-law is 95. I'm still in my prime.
Your "former college qb" would have drafted Ryan Leaf and Art Schlister. have a nice day. There is a lot more to being a pro qb than game film. Look at how many college qbs don't make it in the NFL.
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