Cousins would "seriously consider" the Browns
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Not sure I understand your point?
Fair enough. Why do you suppose the team that has had Cousins has refused to lock him up for a long term deal in each of the last 2 years despite the opportunity to do so? Did he lead them to the playoffs this year to make them regret not locking him up long term? No. He's available because he isn't a keeper on a team that wasn't a winner in 2017; but he has those Jay Cutleresque stats for anyone that wants to buy his quick sand. I hope we aim higher for a guy like Alex Smith.
Fair enough. Why do you suppose the team that has had Cousins has refused to lock him up for a long term deal in each of the last 2 years despite the opportunity to do so? Did he lead them to the playoffs this year to make them regret not locking him up long term? no. He's available because he isn't a keeper on a team that wasn't a winner in 2017; but he has those Jay Cutleresque stats for anyone that wants to buy his quick sand. I hope we aim higher for a guy like Alex Smith.
Good points Tom. As you know, I am not sold on Cousins either. Stats, such as 4,000 yds per year DO NOT mean success. They can be padded during garbage time, against "prevent Ds", etc........to back me up, Cousins as a starter (began in 2015).....Here are some "stats" for those who love stats......
2015...4,166 yards, 29 TDs, 11 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......9-7 record
2016...4,917 yards, 25 TDs, 12 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......8-7-1 record
2017...4,093 yards, 27 TDs, 13 Ints, 13 fumbles (5 lost).....7-9 record
Sound like the guy is worthy of the biggest paycheck in the NFL? My answer is a resounding NO THANKS!
I posted this for those of you who think his 4,000 yard seasons are enough to turn us around.
Mike
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Fair enough. Why do you suppose the team that has had Cousins has refused to lock him up for a long term deal in each of the last 2 years despite the opportunity to do so? Did he lead them to the playoffs this year to make them regret not locking him up long term? no. He's available because he isn't a keeper on a team that wasn't a winner in 2017; but he has those Jay Cutleresque stats for anyone that wants to buy his quick sand. I hope we aim higher for a guy like Alex Smith.
I like Smith a lot too and wouldn't mind at all if we pick him up. He gives a very short window though to hit on and groom a good QB rookie. Relative to why the Skins didn't lock up Cousins, most things I've read consider that a complete failure on the skins part. They are in a bad place now for QB. It's my belief that you give Cousins a fleet of weapons like Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Saquon Barkley , Duke and Njoku and he leads you deep into the playoffs and further for the next 7 years or more.
I like Smith a lot too. Relative to why the Skins didn't lock up Cousins, most things I've read consider that a complete failure on the skins part. They are in a bad place now for QB. It's my belief that you give Cousins a fleet of weapons like Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Saquon Barkley , Duke and Njoku and he leads you deep into the playoffs and further for the next 7 years or more.
Some valid points but did he create any magic with DeSean Jackson in 2016 or T Pryor in 2017? Jordan Reed is a good receiver to tap at TE and I think they also added Vernon Davis that he had some moderate chemistry with. I can't help but feeling like Cousins is getting overrated by some desperation here while I don't get the sense Gruden thinks he's worth fighting for. Nobody has seen more of him than Gruden so I weigh that pretty heavily.
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I think it's pretty smart of Cousins to say he'd consider going to a team that has a TON of cap space and desperately needs a QB.
The Browns are a perfect team for him to use to get someone else to up their contract offer.
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I think it's pretty smart of Cousins to say he'd consider going to a team that has a TON of cap space and desperately needs a QB.
The Browns are a perfect team for him to use to get someone else to up their contract offer.
I think it's pretty smart of Cousins to say he'd consider going to a team that has a TON of cap space and desperately needs a QB.
The Browns are a perfect team for him to use to get someone else to up their contract offer.
We are also a team fo him to simply go to, get paid a ton of money and be surrounded by weapons and a team that I believe will get the biggest infusion of talent we have seen since the return. Our use of free agency and the draft is about to be shock and awe.
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Fair enough. Why do you suppose the team that has had Cousins has refused to lock him up for a long term deal in each of the last 2 years despite the opportunity to do so? Did he lead them to the playoffs this year to make them regret not locking him up long term? no. He's available because he isn't a keeper on a team that wasn't a winner in 2017; but he has those Jay Cutleresque stats for anyone that wants to buy his quick sand. I hope we aim higher for a guy like Alex Smith.
Good points Tom. As you know, I am not sold on Cousins either. Stats, such as 4,000 yds per year DO NOT mean success. They can be padded during garbage time, against "prevent Ds", etc........to back me up, Cousins as a starter (began in 2015).....Here are some "stats" for those who love stats......
2015...4,166 yards, 29 TDs, 11 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......9-7 record
2016...4,917 yards, 25 TDs, 12 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......8-7-1 record
2017...4,093 yards, 27 TDs, 13 Ints, 13 fumbles (5 lost).....7-9 record
Sound like the guy is worthy of the biggest paycheck in the NFL? My answer is a resounding NO THANKS!
I posted this for those of you who think his 4,000 yard seasons are enough to turn us around.
Mike
Good points Tom. As you know, I am not sold on Cousins either. Stats, such as 4,000 yds per year DO NOT mean success. They can be padded during garbage time, against "prevent Ds", etc........to back me up, Cousins as a starter (began in 2015).....Here are some "stats" for those who love stats......
2015...4,166 yards, 29 TDs, 11 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......9-7 record
2016...4,917 yards, 25 TDs, 12 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......8-7-1 record
2017...4,093 yards, 27 TDs, 13 Ints, 13 fumbles (5 lost).....7-9 record
Sound like the guy is worthy of the biggest paycheck in the NFL? My answer is a resounding NO THANKS!
I posted this for those of you who think his 4,000 yard seasons are enough to turn us around.
Mike
Very well said Mike. He reminds me of Junktime Jay Cutler who capitalizes merely on the shortage of veteran QBs for the demand. The team that films every one of his practices since he's been there seems reluctant to commit long term to him. I gotta trust they have their reasons from the eye in the sky and the other Gruden.
Were there any WRs or TEs playing at a high level because of him? And, his volumes of fumbles for a team hoping to decrease those significantly from the QB position raises at least 1 eye brow.
Unfortunately, beggers can't be choosey since it's not going to be easy getting a veteran QB pumped about joining a 1-31 program.
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I was making fun of my owns states reputation for kissing cousins.
I'm nit saying Cousins is worth the money for any other team but we really need to turn this thing around. We have to get competent quarterback play and if we have to over pay for it so be it. We need a culture change in the worst way
Alex Smith isn't on the same planet. He is on a great team and he is a system guy. I promise he will look like a turd in a browns uniform.
If the Giants think one of the 2 are their guy than they will throw the draft sheet out the window. They'll get in a bidding war with denver5, Jets6 or someone else. well ask for 3 1st round picks like Washington got and well settle for 2 and move back a spot.
If the Giants think one of the 2 are their guy than they will throw the draft sheet out the window. They'll get in a bidding war with denver5, Jets6 or someone else. well ask for 3 1st round picks like Washington got and well settle for 2 and move back a spot.
I've said it once- dream on about getting a draft haul like that. Certainly not from the Giants. Second round pick- tops. The only way that happens is in the (unlikely) scenario the Broncos or Jets want to move up to #1 overall. They won't- because the QB class is deep enough they will be able to just sit at their respective spots and still get decent talent. For sure this year we're not trading the #1 down. The #4 flipped to #5 or #6 is a different story.
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If the Giants think one of the 2 are their guy than they will throw the draft sheet out the window. They'll get in a bidding war with denver5, Jets6 or someone else. well ask for 3 1st round picks like Washington got and well settle for 2 and move back a spot.
I've said it once- dream on about getting a draft haul like that. Certainly not from the Giants. Second round pick- tops. The only way that happens is in the (unlikely) scenario the Broncos or Jets want to move up to #1 overall. They won't- because the QB class is deep enough they will be able to just sit at their respective spots and still get decent talent. For sure this year we're not trading the #1 down. The #4 flipped to #5 or #6 is a different story.
I've said it once- dream on about getting a draft haul like that. Certainly not from the Giants. Second round pick- tops. The only way that happens is in the (unlikely) scenario the Broncos or Jets want to move up to #1 overall. They won't- because the QB class is deep enough they will be able to just sit at their respective spots and still get decent talent. For sure this year we're not trading the #1 down. The #4 flipped to #5 or #6 is a different story.
I disagree. They will decide who the best QB in the draft is and I think they will have no problems giving up their 1st next year to get their guy. QB is a premium position and you don't settle for second best if you don't have to. Not to mention you know the Broncos and jets will be in a bidding war for that pick.
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Why isn't cousins the long term solution? The man is only 29 he can play for 5 maybe 10 more years.
I want no part in Smith. He has only played well under reid and he's 34. He doesn't fit the Jackson/Haley model either.
My top scenarios go like this
Cousins + trade back + middle round guy
Bridgewater + Darnold
McCarron(If he's a FA) + Darnold
Darnold + a ton of money and draft picks on offensive weapons.
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Why isn't cousins the long term solution? The man is only 29 he can play for 5 maybe 10 more years.
I want no part in Smith. He has only played well under reid and he's 34. He doesn't fit the Jackson/Haley model either.
My top scenarios go like this
Cousins + trade back + middle round guy
Bridgewater + Darnold
McCarron(If he's a FA) + Darnold
Darnold + a ton of money and draft picks on offensive weapons.
Why isn't cousins the long term solution? The man is only 29 he can play for 5 maybe 10 more years.
I want no part in Smith. He has only played well under reid and he's 34. He doesn't fit the Jackson/Haley model either.
My top scenarios go like this
Cousins + trade back + middle round guy
Bridgewater + Darnold
McCarron(If he's a FA) + Darnold
Darnold + a ton of money and draft picks on offensive weapons.
Yes and 29 means hes gonna be 30.. I just dont think Cousins will get you to a SB.. I would rather take my chance on a younger McCarron...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Why isn't cousins the long term solution? The man is only 29 he can play for 5 maybe 10 more years.
I want no part in Smith. He has only played well under reid and he's 34. He doesn't fit the Jackson/Haley model either.
My top scenarios go like this
Cousins + trade back + middle round guy
Bridgewater + Darnold
McCarron(If he's a FA) + Darnold
Darnold + a ton of money and draft picks on offensive weapons.
Why isn't cousins the long term solution? The man is only 29 he can play for 5 maybe 10 more years.
I want no part in Smith. He has only played well under reid and he's 34. He doesn't fit the Jackson/Haley model either.
My top scenarios go like this
Cousins + trade back + middle round guy
Bridgewater + Darnold
McCarron(If he's a FA) + Darnold
Darnold + a ton of money and draft picks on offensive weapons.
Regarding Smith- he's improved virtually every year he's played. His yards\attempt is among the best in the league. He's a way better option for a year or two (with Darnold or Allen sitting and learning behind him) than backing up the Brinks for Cousins and hoping Kizer is going to "get it".
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Fair enough. Why do you suppose the team that has had Cousins has refused to lock him up for a long term deal in each of the last 2 years despite the opportunity to do so? Did he lead them to the playoffs this year to make them regret not locking him up long term? no. He's available because he isn't a keeper on a team that wasn't a winner in 2017; but he has those Jay Cutleresque stats for anyone that wants to buy his quick sand. I hope we aim higher for a guy like Alex Smith.
Good points Tom. As you know, I am not sold on Cousins either. Stats, such as 4,000 yds per year DO NOT mean success. They can be padded during garbage time, against "prevent Ds", etc........to back me up, Cousins as a starter (began in 2015).....Here are some "stats" for those who love stats......
2015...4,166 yards, 29 TDs, 11 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......9-7 record
2016...4,917 yards, 25 TDs, 12 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......8-7-1 record
2017...4,093 yards, 27 TDs, 13 Ints, 13 fumbles (5 lost).....7-9 record
Sound like the guy is worthy of the biggest paycheck in the NFL? My answer is a resounding NO THANKS!
I posted this for those of you who think his 4,000 yard seasons are enough to turn us around.
Mike
Good points Tom. As you know, I am not sold on Cousins either. Stats, such as 4,000 yds per year DO NOT mean success. They can be padded during garbage time, against "prevent Ds", etc........to back me up, Cousins as a starter (began in 2015).....Here are some "stats" for those who love stats......
2015...4,166 yards, 29 TDs, 11 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......9-7 record
2016...4,917 yards, 25 TDs, 12 Ints, 9 fumbles (3 lost).......8-7-1 record
2017...4,093 yards, 27 TDs, 13 Ints, 13 fumbles (5 lost).....7-9 record
Sound like the guy is worthy of the biggest paycheck in the NFL? My answer is a resounding NO THANKS!
I posted this for those of you who think his 4,000 yard seasons are enough to turn us around.
Mike
9 -7 can put you in the playoffs. You also neglected to include his rushing TD's at about 5 per year. Guys that can consistently put up 4200+ yards 30 TD's and a better than 2/1 TD/INT ratio get paid, a lot as a FA. I'm not convinced his contract will be highest paid but it will be hefty and should be.
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Why isn't cousins the long term solution? The man is only 29 he can play for 5 maybe 10 more years.
I want no part in Smith. He has only played well under reid and he's 34. He doesn't fit the Jackson/Haley model either.
My top scenarios go like this
Cousins + trade back + middle round guy
Bridgewater + Darnold
McCarron(If he's a FA) + Darnold
Darnold + a ton of money and draft picks on offensive weapons.
Yes and 29 means hes gonna be 30.. I just dont think Cousins will get you to a SB.. I would rather take my chance on a younger McCarron...
Yes and 29 means hes gonna be 30.. I just dont think Cousins will get you to a SB.. I would rather take my chance on a younger McCarron...
Are we really talking superbowl after a winless season? He made the redskins playoff contenders and I think we have better talent than them. Bottom line let's get out cellar and start winning games. We can't win a superbowl if we never get to the playoffs
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I can't believe there are so many anti-Cousins guys after what we've trotted out at QB the past 20 years...
Is it money? Rather wait for a draft pick to develop? Age?
Listen, he's the ONLY win-now option... Unless you are all content with 2-3 more years of crap? ... I don't get it. 4 years with him at QB and we at least get to see some exciting football in that time...
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Why isn't cousins the long term solution? The man is only 29 he can play for 5 maybe 10 more years.
I want no part in Smith. He has only played well under reid and he's 34. He doesn't fit the Jackson/Haley model either.
My top scenarios go like this
Cousins + trade back + middle round guy
Bridgewater + Darnold
McCarron(If he's a FA) + Darnold
Darnold + a ton of money and draft picks on offensive weapons.
Yes and 29 means hes gonna be 30.. I just dont think Cousins will get you to a SB.. I would rather take my chance on a younger McCarron...
Yes and 29 means hes gonna be 30.. I just dont think Cousins will get you to a SB.. I would rather take my chance on a younger McCarron...
I am not sure why people love a QB who can't beat out Andy Dalton. Pass.
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I can't believe there are so many anti-Cousins guys after what we've trotted out at QB the past 20 years...
Is it money? Rather wait for a draft pick to develop? Age?
Listen, he's the ONLY win-now option... Unless you are all content with 2-3 more years of crap? ... I don't get it. 4 years with him at QB and we at least get to see some exciting football in that time...
I can't believe there are so many anti-Cousins guys after what we've trotted out at QB the past 20 years...
Is it money? Rather wait for a draft pick to develop? Age?
Listen, he's the ONLY win-now option... Unless you are all content with 2-3 more years of crap? ... I don't get it. 4 years with him at QB and we at least get to see some exciting football in that time...
If we can get Cousins or Smith we should by very happy. People maybe right he wont take us to the SB but what he would do is bring stability to the organization that will go along to help get this franchise out of the basement.
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I can't believe there are so many anti-Cousins guys after what we've trotted out at QB the past 20 years...
Is it money? Rather wait for a draft pick to develop? Age?
Listen, he's the ONLY win-now option... Unless you are all content with 2-3 more years of crap? ... I don't get it. 4 years with him at QB and we at least get to see some exciting football in that time...
If we can get Cousins or Smith we should by very happy. People maybe right he wont take us to the SB but what he would do is bring stability to the organization that will go along to help get this franchise out of the basement.
If we can get Cousins or Smith we should by very happy. People maybe right he wont take us to the SB but what he would do is bring stability to the organization that will go along to help get this franchise out of the basement.
I think Cousins is a pipe dream, but Alex Smith IMO would be a great, smart acquisition.
He's an experienced pro who would bring stability to QB, and a great example to whoever the Browns draft.
You have to walk before you run. If you take a QB #1 overall, it's with the idea that HE is the guy that will take you to the Super Bowl - not the vet "bridge" guy you bring in to show him the ropes.
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Draft picks are like buying a new car... their value drops in half the moment you make the pick...
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