Can Brady win if he has to do it on his own merit?

[The Gipper]

@westside-steve said:

Often your posts can lean towards the dull, arrogant, overbearing, pompous or pretentious side but this one sir is a rare venture into plain old stupid.

WSS

And all the while being perfectly accurate and on point.  

I have stated my view about Belichick.  Not sure why...after I have explained this numerous times some of you still do not understand.  My suggestion is that you take this post, print it out, save it, put it in your wallet....and when you again become confused about matters you can pull it out and read it over once again in an effort to comprehend it.   Considering how simple this explanation is, perhaps after 8-10 readings the light bulb will go on in your respective heads:

A.  Bill Belichick is a quality coach.  On his own, his team's could likely be pretty consistent playoff contenders. 

B. It is Tom Brady that makes BB a championship coach.  BBs defense keeps games close.....Tom Brady leads them to championship.

C. Bill Belichick does not win 5 Super Bowls with the likes of Matt Cassell...or Brian Hoyer as his primary starting QB.  But some of you banana brains think he walks on water and could have won 5 Super Bowls  with Les Conner as his QB.  (an inside joke for Steve).

D. Just some basic facts:  Without Brady as BBs QB,  he has had 2 seasons with winning records, and 5 with losing records;  and he has had 1 team make the playoffs and 6 teams miss the playoffs.  Nevertheless, I think he could likely, as I said, have had a consistent playoff contending team...but not a consistent championship team.

E. With Brady, they have taken that team now to 8 Super Bowls...winning 5....and maybe another.   With Brady, that team has never had a losing record...or even a .500 record.   You bring up the Matt Cassell year, and I say, yes....that is a good example of what things may have been like with Brady.  A good record....challenging for a playoff spot...sometimes making it, sometimes not. 

F. Is there some symbiosis between BB and Brady that has allowed them to be so good and such winners?  Yes, certainly to an extent, I buy that.  but that same symbiosis would never had existed  with just about any other QB.  Maybe if he had another of the top notch Hall of Famers, it is possible.  But those QBs over the years that could challenge Brady in the last two decades could be counted on one hand: Peyton, Rodgers, maybe BR, maybe Brees...and that's it.

G.  On Tom Brady...if you think I am diminishing him, then you have a brain full of banana slugs.  I have said that the GOAT is a discussion likely between Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, and Tom Brady.  Not sure where else I can go with him.  Maybe you Patriot fans think he is the Reincarnation of Jesus Christ, or Thor come down from Asgard...but I regard him as simply one of the greatest football players ever.

H. On the issue of the refs helping the Patriots.  Gee, I must be the only one here that thinks that on occasion...since it was I who started this thread.....OH, ERR, OOPs.....I was NOT the one to start this thread.   Earlier in this thread I stated that I did not see the last quarter of that game....and asked if the Pats got any more help from the refs like they did on that PI call at the end of the first half.  That WAS a horseshite call....and a gift to the Pats by the refs.  That sort of thing has happened a number of times.   That is the perception......and God forbid that someone who is not a Belichick or Patriots arse licker point it out.  

So, here you go. Take this post, print it out...so that the next time you comment about what my opinions are, you can at least be accurate about what my opinions are....and not give YOUR opinions about what you think are my opinions.

[The Gipper]

@ghoolie said:

FRefs, and Marty/Bernie coaching from the Jags. 9 in the box,  and no play action to shred it. Instead they run smack into it.? C mon Steve, Kizer could have engineered that come back. Brady sucks elephant cox

Not sure why Glommie relates everything that may go sideways in football back to Marty and Bernie.   There is a deep psychological obsession going on there.

[The Gipper]

@londonbrown said:

Agree totally, its never ending with them. I hate them more than any other NFL team.

Wait....I thought I was the only one that ever thought that the Pats got advantages from ref's calls. Do you want to call Chicopee John and tell him that there are others that do not think that  BB et all shite fairy dust.

[boo fagley]

@ghoolie said:

Anyone who bliztes Brady beats him. The guy is done.  More Marty/Bernie football. Play not to lose. Ridiculous.

Ghoolies lessons on Football?

[boo fagley]

@the-cysko-kid said:

Belichick is the greatest. 

Brady is the fu¢king greatest.

I know its hard for browns fans to swallow because the browns are the worst in history but I say sit back and enjoy it. We'll never see anything like this again and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 

The PI call on Cooks was legit.

The ball landed in bounds and Cooks would have got there if he was not pushed out of bounds with both hands. You cant do that with the ball in the air. Ghoolie claims the ball went out of bounds, but that is false. Brady is smart and throws the ball to the WR getting mugged to see if he can get PI.

Jax switched to zone in the 2nd half after playing man2man with success in the 1st half. Man2man beats Brady.

[boo fagley]

@westside-steve said:

That's the Gippers MO.

The way I see it the Patriots are probably the greatest team in modern football and my Cleveland Browns the worst. Our job is to dig out of that hole no matter how long it takes.

WSS

The Browns will be much better this season. You heard it hear first.

[boo fagley]

@the-gipper said:

Both of you Shmucktard's are totally off base with what I said when I get back to my computer rather than on my phone and explain the truth to you the truth that I have explained hundreds of times but none of you are smart enough apparently to Shmucking listenBoth of you Shmucktard's are totally off base with what I said when I get back to my computer rather than on my phone and explain the truth to you the truth that I have explained hundreds of times but none of you are smart enough apparently to Shmucking listen

Incoherent ramblings

[The Gipper]

@boo-fagley said:

Incoherent ramblings

Did you continue to read Arseling?

[Gunz41]

@the-gipper said:

And all the while being perfectly accurate and on point.  

I have stated my view about Belichick.  Not sure why...after I have explained this numerous times some of you still do not understand.  My suggestion is that you take this post, print it out, save it, put it in your wallet....and when you again become confused about matters you can pull it out and read it over once again in an effort to comprehend it.   Considering how simple this explanation is, perhaps after 8-10 readings the light bulb will go on in your respective heads:

A.  Bill Belichick is a quality coach.  On his own, his team's could likely be pretty consistent playoff contenders. 

B. It is Tom Brady that makes BB a championship coach.  BBs defense keeps games close.....Tom Brady leads them to championship.

C. Bill Belichick does not win 5 Super Bowls with the likes of Matt Cassell...or Brian Hoyer as his primary starting QB.  But some of you banana brains think he walks on water and could have won 5 Super Bowls  with Les Conner as his QB.  (an inside joke for Steve).

D. Just some basic facts:  Without Brady as BBs QB,  he has had 2 seasons with winning records, and 5 with losing records;  and he has had 1 team make the playoffs and 6 teams miss the playoffs.  Nevertheless, I think he could likely, as I said, have had a consistent playoff contending team...but not a consistent championship team.

E. With Brady, they have taken that team now to 8 Super Bowls...winning 5....and maybe another.   With Brady, that team has never had a losing record...or even a .500 record.   You bring up the Matt Cassell year, and I say, yes....that is a good example of what things may have been like with Brady.  A good record....challenging for a playoff spot...sometimes making it, sometimes not. 

F. Is there some symbiosis between BB and Brady that has allowed them to be so good and such winners?  Yes, certainly to an extent, I buy that.  but that same symbiosis would never had existed  with just about any other QB.  Maybe if he had another of the top notch Hall of Famers, it is possible.  But those QBs over the years that could challenge Brady in the last two decades could be counted on one hand: Peyton, Rodgers, maybe BR, maybe Brees...and that's it.

G.  On Tom Brady...if you think I am diminishing him, then you have a brain full of banana slugs.  I have said that the GOAT is a discussion likely between Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, and Tom Brady.  Not sure where else I can go with him.  Maybe you Patriot fans think he is the Reincarnation of Jesus Christ, or Thor come down from Asgard...but I regard him as simply one of the greatest football players ever.

H. On the issue of the refs helping the Patriots.  Gee, I must be the only one here that thinks that on occasion...since it was I who started this thread.....OH, ERR, OOPs.....I was NOT the one to start this thread.   Earlier in this thread I stated that I did not see the last quarter of that game....and asked if the Pats got any more help from the refs like they did on that PI call at the end of the first half.  That WAS a horseshite call....and a gift to the Pats by the refs.  That sort of thing has happened a number of times.   That is the perception......and God forbid that someone who is not a Belichick or Patriots arse licker point it out.  

So, here you go. Take this post, print it out...so that the next time you comment about what my opinions are, you can at least be accurate about what my opinions are....and not give YOUR opinions about what you think are my opinions.

Two things Gip. I wouldn't use the Ghoolie as a help to my argument, no matter what the argument. I am sure there are A LOT of people who would agree with you about calls and the Pats. But saying Ghoolie argeed as he started the thread, well that speaks for itself.

2nd, the PI down the sideline at the end of the half WAS Pass Interference. Does that mean that they never get the benefit of calls, NO. Some teams do and some dont, and the Pats do get the benefit. But more times than not, what people see as a beneficial call is the correct call and they just don't see it that way, don't want to see it that way, or dont know the rules. Same thing happens at every level. I can't tell you the times I have heard people yelling about a call that didn't go their way, and 99% of the time they are looking at it with rose colored glasses or dont know the rules, or both.

But that was Pass Interference

[The Gipper]

@gunz41 said:

Two things Gip. I wouldn't use the Ghoolie as a help to my argument, no matter what the argument. I am sure there are A LOT of people who would agree with you about calls and the Pats. But saying Ghoolie argeed as he started the thread, well that speaks for itself.

Well....all I was pointing out really was that it was not I who started a thread about the Pats being favored by the refs.  Nor, clearly were we the only ones.

2nd, the PI down the sideline at the end of the half WAS Pass Interference. Does that mean that they never get the benefit of calls, NO. Some teams do and some dont, and the Pats do get the benefit. But more times than not, what people see as a beneficial call is the correct call and they just don't see it that way, don't want to see it that way, or dont know the rules. Same thing happens at every level. I can't tell you the times I have heard people yelling about a call that didn't go their way, and 99% of the time they are looking at it with rose colored glasses or dont know the rules, or both.

But that was Pass Interference

No, I disagree.   If that is PI, the PI can be called on every pass play.  There was a little bit of hand fighting.....and then the receiver either ran out of bounds....or was very nearly out of bounds.   The DB had the angle on him to the inside of the field...and it was the WR who was initiating contact to try to get back in position to attempt to make a catch.  I saw that play 3 ways to Sunday and that is what I saw.

[The Gipper]

[syd]

@the-gipper said:

that was a Sheet call

[Gunz41]

@the-gipper said:

There could be PI on every play, but he has both hands on him and forces the receiver out of bounds. It is PI, not saying that every official in every game would call it, as they wouldn't, but it certainly is

[boo fagley]

@the-gipper said:

Cooks would have been in a position to make a play on the ball if not impeded and pushed out of bounds.

Thank you for the video.

[Gunz41]

@boo-fagley said:

Cooks would have been in a position to make a play on the ball if not impeded and pushed out of bounds.

Thank you for the video.

Not the best word to use with impeded. He can be impeded from his destination all day long, he can't be illegally impeded. But corners are taught to impede the receiver by running him off his route legally.

[syd]

looked to me that he had stepped out on his own

[TexasAg1969]

@syd said:

looked to me that he had stepped out on his own

You have to watch the replay from the camera that was behind the official. From that view it was the proper call.

[boo fagley]

@gunz41 said:

Not the best word to use with impeded. He can be impeded from his destination all day long, he can't be illegally impeded. But corners are taught to impede the receiver by running him off his route legally.

Both players have a right to make a play on the ball. Its fine to crowd the WR, but you cant be this obvious and push him out with the ball in the air.

[boo fagley]

@the-gipper said:

And all the while being perfectly accurate and on point.  

I have stated my view about Belichick.  Not sure why...after I have explained this numerous times some of you still do not understand.  My suggestion is that you take this post, print it out, save it, put it in your wallet....and when you again become confused about matters you can pull it out and read it over once again in an effort to comprehend it.   Considering how simple this explanation is, perhaps after 8-10 readings the light bulb will go on in your respective heads:

A.  Bill Belichick is a quality coach.  On his own, his team's could likely be pretty consistent playoff contenders. 

B. It is Tom Brady that makes BB a championship coach.  BBs defense keeps games close.....Tom Brady leads them to championship.

C. Bill Belichick does not win 5 Super Bowls with the likes of Matt Cassell...or Brian Hoyer as his primary starting QB.  But some of you banana brains think he walks on water and could have won 5 Super Bowls  with Les Conner as his QB.  (an inside joke for Steve).

D. Just some basic facts:  Without Brady as BBs QB,  he has had 2 seasons with winning records, and 5 with losing records;  and he has had 1 team make the playoffs and 6 teams miss the playoffs.  Nevertheless, I think he could likely, as I said, have had a consistent playoff contending team...but not a consistent championship team.

E. With Brady, they have taken that team now to 8 Super Bowls...winning 5....and maybe another.   With Brady, that team has never had a losing record...or even a .500 record.   You bring up the Matt Cassell year, and I say, yes....that is a good example of what things may have been like with Brady.  A good record....challenging for a playoff spot...sometimes making it, sometimes not. 

F. Is there some symbiosis between BB and Brady that has allowed them to be so good and such winners?  Yes, certainly to an extent, I buy that.  but that same symbiosis would never had existed  with just about any other QB.  Maybe if he had another of the top notch Hall of Famers, it is possible.  But those QBs over the years that could challenge Brady in the last two decades could be counted on one hand: Peyton, Rodgers, maybe BR, maybe Brees...and that's it.

G.  On Tom Brady...if you think I am diminishing him, then you have a brain full of banana slugs.  I have said that the GOAT is a discussion likely between Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, and Tom Brady.  Not sure where else I can go with him.  Maybe you Patriot fans think he is the Reincarnation of Jesus Christ, or Thor come down from Asgard...but I regard him as simply one of the greatest football players ever.

H. On the issue of the refs helping the Patriots.  Gee, I must be the only one here that thinks that on occasion...since it was I who started this thread.....OH, ERR, OOPs.....I was NOT the one to start this thread.   Earlier in this thread I stated that I did not see the last quarter of that game....and asked if the Pats got any more help from the refs like they did on that PI call at the end of the first half.  That WAS a horseshite call....and a gift to the Pats by the refs.  That sort of thing has happened a number of times.   That is the perception......and God forbid that someone who is not a Belichick or Patriots arse licker point it out.  

So, here you go. Take this post, print it out...so that the next time you comment about what my opinions are, you can at least be accurate about what my opinions are....and not give YOUR opinions about what you think are my opinions.

Billy Belichick will be going to his 11th super bowl. Out of 52 Super Bowls, he has coached in more than 20% and has 7 rings. He controls the salary cap. That is why NE is never in cap trouble like the Saints were a few years ago after they won the Lombardi. He controls who is drafted and which FAs to pick up.While others like you are picking their noses and polishing your wee wees, he is making moves that afterwards the others say to themselves "Gee, why didnt we think of that?" He hires and fires coaches and staff. He picks out the facility 5hit paper so when the players want to take a gipper, it will be soft, but save money.

Quality.

[Nero]

@boo-fagley said:

Both players have a right to make a play on the ball. Its fine to crowd the WR, but you cant be this obvious and push him out with the ball in the air.

THIS. It happens in soccer too. There are many fouls that aren't called because the game could last 6 hours. 

Most of the times, the fouls that are called are because they are made in the area the play is happening (either on the throwing or the receiving end). 

The thing is: you can't complain about people that have to make decissions in seconds watching players at high speed. If you have both hands in the rival, don't be surprised if you get called, even if in the end it didn't affect the play (I doubt Cooks was catching that ball).

I don't know what you think about this, guys, but the only play I complained about in that game during the broadcast is the fumble recovery by Jack the LB (Myles Jack?). I don't like that too often they call the play dead and prevent touchdowns on INTs or fumble recoveries, to later realize that the defensive player wasn't down by contact or whatever.

Even if he hadn't gone all the way through, I bet he would at least get to FG range, and that FG would have been decisive, as the Jaguars, down by 4, IIRC got into FG range in the last drive they had.