Josh Allen mechanics are very good.
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watch the video. Feet, hips.
So Gip was close...
Saw Allen's presser to open Sr Bowl Week. To say it was bland would be overrating it. Lots of insecure "ums" and "ers"... and then he offers up that he has "a lot of flaws" in his QB play???
Spoken like a Honorable Mention, All Mountain West QB.
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I never understood why people could not tell the difference between gold and yellow. Compare the above photo.....yellow.
this is gold:
I mean, is it just some marketing ploy or something that makes them call yellow gold?
I never understood why people could not tell the difference between gold and yellow. Compare the above photo.....yellow.
this is gold:
I mean, is it just some marketing ploy or something that makes them call yellow gold?
Thank you.
Notre Dame wears gold. The Saints wear gold.
Pittsburgh, Green Bay and Wyoming wear yellow.
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I never understood why people could not tell the difference between gold and yellow. Compare the above photo.....yellow.
this is gold:
I mean, is it just some marketing ploy or something that makes them call yellow gold?
Thank you.
Notre Dame wears gold. The Saints wear gold.
Pittsburgh, Green Bay and Wyoming wear yellow.
Thank you.
Notre Dame wears gold. The Saints wear gold.
Pittsburgh, Green Bay and Wyoming wear yellow.
Hard to show a tone of gold on a computer- now this is "gold". Around $49,000 dollars worth.
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Wyoming QB Josh Allen passes the eyeball test – until he starts throwing
"[Allen is] the perfect decoy,” said private quarterback coach Rich Bartel, who was in the stadium watching Tuesday. Bartel suspects Allen’s prodigious measurables will seduce NFL execs to the point that they overlook his biggest flaw: He has never been a very accurate passer.
Allen ranked 83rd nationally in completion percentage in 2017, at just 56.3 percent. His pass efficiency rating ranked 73rd. In 2016, his only previous season of appreciable playing time, he completed 56 percent of his throws.
Then there are his numbers in Wyoming’s games against opponents from Power Five conferences. Facing Iowa and Oregon in 2017 and Nebraska in ’16, Allen was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. Disastrous numbers.
Bartel pointed out that quarterbacks who come into the NFL with accuracy issues don’t tend to improve dramatically — they are who they are. And with the smaller windows in which to throw passes, that problem becomes magnified."
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Haven't we already tried the "strong arm, yet can't hit the broad side of a barn" QB experiment with Derek Anderson, Brandon We-done and Kizer? No thanks. Pass.
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Nice post jb. Confirms everything I saw in several games I saw him play. Add to that his lack of progressions plus quickness to run and we have just one more player that will fit perfectly with the similar players we already have not producing jack sh-it for the Browns.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/wyoming-qb-josh-allen-passes-eyeball-test-starts-throwing-025702572.html
Reports are he had a rough first day. Looks good, looks the part, but was all over the place in accuracy.
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JOSH ALLEN Shmucking SUCKS BAWLS!!!
56% completion rating is Derek Anderson territory..
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Josh Allen outshines Baker Mayfield in first Senior Bowl practice
Author: Mike KlisPublished: 7:48 AM MST January 24, 2018They had tackles and guards and safeties and linebackers.
And the Senior Bowl had two quarterbacks named Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.
In that order, by the way.
No one has been a bigger supporter of Baker Mayfield than I have. But then I watched Allen throw a howitzer to Penn State receiver DaeSean Hamilton on a deep out pattern Tuesday during the Senior Bowl North team practice at Ladd Peebles Stadium. Allen’s pass exploded out of his hand. It was one of those Andres Galarraga line drives where about halfway on its path, the ball rose to another level and hummed.
Hamilton was pretty well covered on the play, too. The cornerback had no chance.
And then on his next pass, Allen had Hamilton again on a crossing route. Overthrew by a couple yards.
“It went OK,’’ Allen told 9NEWS as he walked off the Ladd Peebles Stadium artificial surface following practice Tuesday. “Could have gone a little better but it was the first day. It’s definitely different, kind of difficult to process the speed of different receivers you’ve never thrown to before. We’ll be better tomorrow.’’
With John Elway and Dan Marino watching practice from the sideline Tuesday, Allen looked like the best quarterback from a Senior Bowl North team that also included Mayfield, Nebraska’s Tanner Lee and Washington State’s Luke Falk.
I talked to one NFL offensive coach who’s had decent success in the league and attended the Senior Bowl practices Tuesday. He said he’d take Allen ahead of Baker in the upcoming draft.
Go with the bigger guy, he said. He speaks for the majority of NFL talent evaluators.
Two of the top quarterbacks, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen, weren’t eligible for the Senior Bowl because they entered the draft before their senior seasons. Allen may well be the Cleveland Browns No.1 overall pick, anyhow.
“It’s a tough situation to come in as a rookie and expect to be perfect right away,’’ Allen said earlier Tuesday during the Senior Bowl media session. “I know I have a lot of flaws as a quarterback.’’
He has an arm, he’s athletic, he’s big and he has a winning personality and smarts. His biggest flaw his accuracy. He was a two-year starter at Wyoming and completed only 56 percent of his passes each season.
“I’ve been working on that,’’ Allen said. “Obviously, 56 percent is not anywhere close where it needs to be. You can go and look at the tape and I’d say I’ve made a lot of strides from the previous season. I held the ball more, didn’t throw as many interceptions. I held on to the ball, threw the ball away more. Just more careful with the football. There’s always the constant battle with trying to perfect your game.That’s what I’m dealing with right now and making sure my stroke is consistent and clean.’’
He and Darnold are housemates this offseason, working with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer.
Allen was plenty accurate in the first quarter of the Potato Bowl last month, throwing three touchdown passes against Central Michigan with Elway and Matt Russell, the Broncos’ director of player personnel, attending the game specifically to scout him.
“It was really cool,’’ Allen said. “You try to not treat it as a distraction when you look over to the sideline and see a guy like John Elway, it’s hard to not get excited. I just went out there and played football with my guys. It was fun.’’
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Josh Allen outshines Baker Mayfield in first Senior Bowl practice
Author: Mike KlisPublished: 7:48 AM MST January 24, 2018They had tackles and guards and safeties and linebackers.
And the Senior Bowl had two quarterbacks named Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.
In that order, by the way.
No one has been a bigger supporter of Baker Mayfield than I have. But then I watched Allen throw a howitzer to Penn State receiver DaeSean Hamilton on a deep out pattern Tuesday during the Senior Bowl North team practice at Ladd Peebles Stadium. Allen’s pass exploded out of his hand. It was one of those Andres Galarraga line drives where about halfway on its path, the ball rose to another level and hummed.
Hamilton was pretty well covered on the play, too. The cornerback had no chance.
And then on his next pass, Allen had Hamilton again on a crossing route. Overthrew by a couple yards.
“It went OK,’’ Allen told 9NEWS as he walked off the Ladd Peebles Stadium artificial surface following practice Tuesday. “Could have gone a little better but it was the first day. It’s definitely different, kind of difficult to process the speed of different receivers you’ve never thrown to before. We’ll be better tomorrow.’’
With John Elway and Dan Marino watching practice from the sideline Tuesday, Allen looked like the best quarterback from a Senior Bowl North team that also included Mayfield, Nebraska’s Tanner Lee and Washington State’s Luke Falk.
I talked to one NFL offensive coach who’s had decent success in the league and attended the Senior Bowl practices Tuesday. He said he’d take Allen ahead of Baker in the upcoming draft.
Go with the bigger guy, he said. He speaks for the majority of NFL talent evaluators.
Two of the top quarterbacks, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen, weren’t eligible for the Senior Bowl because they entered the draft before their senior seasons. Allen may well be the Cleveland Browns No.1 overall pick, anyhow.
“It’s a tough situation to come in as a rookie and expect to be perfect right away,’’ Allen said earlier Tuesday during the Senior Bowl media session. “I know I have a lot of flaws as a quarterback.’’
He has an arm, he’s athletic, he’s big and he has a winning personality and smarts. His biggest flaw his accuracy. He was a two-year starter at Wyoming and completed only 56 percent of his passes each season.
“I’ve been working on that,’’ Allen said. “Obviously, 56 percent is not anywhere close where it needs to be. You can go and look at the tape and I’d say I’ve made a lot of strides from the previous season. I held the ball more, didn’t throw as many interceptions. I held on to the ball, threw the ball away more. Just more careful with the football. There’s always the constant battle with trying to perfect your game.That’s what I’m dealing with right now and making sure my stroke is consistent and clean.’’
He and Darnold are housemates this offseason, working with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer.
Allen was plenty accurate in the first quarter of the Potato Bowl last month, throwing three touchdown passes against Central Michigan with Elway and Matt Russell, the Broncos’ director of player personnel, attending the game specifically to scout him.
“It was really cool,’’ Allen said. “You try to not treat it as a distraction when you look over to the sideline and see a guy like John Elway, it’s hard to not get excited. I just went out there and played football with my guys. It was fun.’’
Josh Allen outshines Baker Mayfield in first Senior Bowl practice
Author: Mike KlisPublished: 7:48 AM MST January 24, 2018They had tackles and guards and safeties and linebackers.
And the Senior Bowl had two quarterbacks named Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.
In that order, by the way.
No one has been a bigger supporter of Baker Mayfield than I have. But then I watched Allen throw a howitzer to Penn State receiver DaeSean Hamilton on a deep out pattern Tuesday during the Senior Bowl North team practice at Ladd Peebles Stadium. Allen’s pass exploded out of his hand. It was one of those Andres Galarraga line drives where about halfway on its path, the ball rose to another level and hummed.
Hamilton was pretty well covered on the play, too. The cornerback had no chance.
And then on his next pass, Allen had Hamilton again on a crossing route. Overthrew by a couple yards.
“It went OK,’’ Allen told 9NEWS as he walked off the Ladd Peebles Stadium artificial surface following practice Tuesday. “Could have gone a little better but it was the first day. It’s definitely different, kind of difficult to process the speed of different receivers you’ve never thrown to before. We’ll be better tomorrow.’’
With John Elway and Dan Marino watching practice from the sideline Tuesday, Allen looked like the best quarterback from a Senior Bowl North team that also included Mayfield, Nebraska’s Tanner Lee and Washington State’s Luke Falk.
I talked to one NFL offensive coach who’s had decent success in the league and attended the Senior Bowl practices Tuesday. He said he’d take Allen ahead of Baker in the upcoming draft.
Go with the bigger guy, he said. He speaks for the majority of NFL talent evaluators.
Two of the top quarterbacks, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen, weren’t eligible for the Senior Bowl because they entered the draft before their senior seasons. Allen may well be the Cleveland Browns No.1 overall pick, anyhow.
“It’s a tough situation to come in as a rookie and expect to be perfect right away,’’ Allen said earlier Tuesday during the Senior Bowl media session. “I know I have a lot of flaws as a quarterback.’’
He has an arm, he’s athletic, he’s big and he has a winning personality and smarts. His biggest flaw his accuracy. He was a two-year starter at Wyoming and completed only 56 percent of his passes each season.
“I’ve been working on that,’’ Allen said. “Obviously, 56 percent is not anywhere close where it needs to be. You can go and look at the tape and I’d say I’ve made a lot of strides from the previous season. I held the ball more, didn’t throw as many interceptions. I held on to the ball, threw the ball away more. Just more careful with the football. There’s always the constant battle with trying to perfect your game.That’s what I’m dealing with right now and making sure my stroke is consistent and clean.’’
He and Darnold are housemates this offseason, working with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer.
Allen was plenty accurate in the first quarter of the Potato Bowl last month, throwing three touchdown passes against Central Michigan with Elway and Matt Russell, the Broncos’ director of player personnel, attending the game specifically to scout him.
“It was really cool,’’ Allen said. “You try to not treat it as a distraction when you look over to the sideline and see a guy like John Elway, it’s hard to not get excited. I just went out there and played football with my guys. It was fun.’’
Doesn't change these facts.
Allen’s prodigious measurables will seduce NFL execs to the point that they overlook his biggest flaw: He has never been a very accurate passer.
Allen ranked 83rd nationally in completion percentage in 2017, at just 56.3 percent. His pass efficiency rating ranked 73rd. In 2016, his only previous season of appreciable playing time, he completed 56 percent of his throws.
Then there are his numbers in Wyoming’s games against opponents from Power Five conferences. Facing Iowa and Oregon in 2017 and Nebraska in ’16, Allen was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. Disastrous numbers.
Just say no to another inaccurate QB.
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Josh Allen outshines Baker Mayfield in first Senior Bowl practice
Well...per the videos and the reports listed above, Josh Allen completely sucked balls in his Senior Bowl practice.
So....if the above headline is true...and we know Allen sucked balls......what does that say for how bad Mayfield was?
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Josh Allen outshines Baker Mayfield in first Senior Bowl practice
Author: Mike KlisPublished: 7:48 AM MST January 24, 2018They had tackles and guards and safeties and linebackers.
And the Senior Bowl had two quarterbacks named Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.
In that order, by the way.
No one has been a bigger supporter of Baker Mayfield than I have. But then I watched Allen throw a howitzer to Penn State receiver DaeSean Hamilton on a deep out pattern Tuesday during the Senior Bowl North team practice at Ladd Peebles Stadium. Allen’s pass exploded out of his hand. It was one of those Andres Galarraga line drives where about halfway on its path, the ball rose to another level and hummed.
Hamilton was pretty well covered on the play, too. The cornerback had no chance.
And then on his next pass, Allen had Hamilton again on a crossing route. Overthrew by a couple yards.
“It went OK,’’ Allen told 9NEWS as he walked off the Ladd Peebles Stadium artificial surface following practice Tuesday. “Could have gone a little better but it was the first day. It’s definitely different, kind of difficult to process the speed of different receivers you’ve never thrown to before. We’ll be better tomorrow.’’
With John Elway and Dan Marino watching practice from the sideline Tuesday, Allen looked like the best quarterback from a Senior Bowl North team that also included Mayfield, Nebraska’s Tanner Lee and Washington State’s Luke Falk.
I talked to one NFL offensive coach who’s had decent success in the league and attended the Senior Bowl practices Tuesday. He said he’d take Allen ahead of Baker in the upcoming draft.
Go with the bigger guy, he said. He speaks for the majority of NFL talent evaluators.
Two of the top quarterbacks, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen, weren’t eligible for the Senior Bowl because they entered the draft before their senior seasons. Allen may well be the Cleveland Browns No.1 overall pick, anyhow.
“It’s a tough situation to come in as a rookie and expect to be perfect right away,’’ Allen said earlier Tuesday during the Senior Bowl media session. “I know I have a lot of flaws as a quarterback.’’
He has an arm, he’s athletic, he’s big and he has a winning personality and smarts. His biggest flaw his accuracy. He was a two-year starter at Wyoming and completed only 56 percent of his passes each season.
“I’ve been working on that,’’ Allen said. “Obviously, 56 percent is not anywhere close where it needs to be. You can go and look at the tape and I’d say I’ve made a lot of strides from the previous season. I held the ball more, didn’t throw as many interceptions. I held on to the ball, threw the ball away more. Just more careful with the football. There’s always the constant battle with trying to perfect your game.That’s what I’m dealing with right now and making sure my stroke is consistent and clean.’’
He and Darnold are housemates this offseason, working with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer.
Allen was plenty accurate in the first quarter of the Potato Bowl last month, throwing three touchdown passes against Central Michigan with Elway and Matt Russell, the Broncos’ director of player personnel, attending the game specifically to scout him.
“It was really cool,’’ Allen said. “You try to not treat it as a distraction when you look over to the sideline and see a guy like John Elway, it’s hard to not get excited. I just went out there and played football with my guys. It was fun.’’
Doesn't change these facts.
Allen’s prodigious measurables will seduce NFL execs to the point that they overlook his biggest flaw: He has never been a very accurate passer.
Allen ranked 83rd nationally in completion percentage in 2017, at just 56.3 percent. His pass efficiency rating ranked 73rd. In 2016, his only previous season of appreciable playing time, he completed 56 percent of his throws.
Then there are his numbers in Wyoming’s games against opponents from Power Five conferences. Facing Iowa and Oregon in 2017 and Nebraska in ’16, Allen was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. Disastrous numbers.
Just say no to another inaccurate QB.
Just say no to another inaccurate QB.
I understand. However, the inaccuracy - is that a result of a serious lack of athleticism/coordination? Or, a lack of development, and can be professionally coached? I agree that a qb that is inaccurate in college because of a lack of athleticism will be inaccurate in the pros, sure.
I just wonder if a guy who could be an outstanding athlete , which Allen is, could develop into a world class pro qb.
Take this guy:
"
Weaknesses
Benefits from an offense that is predicated on simplified reads. Offense able to create wide-open receivers after busted coverages at times. Needs to improve resetting feet when maneuvering pocket to improve accuracy and power. Tends to "see" pass rush too often. Will drop eyes and look to escape pocket rather than stepping to available pocket space. Frequent trips outside pocket increase opportunity for injury. Pocket feel is very average. Stepped into sacks he had no business taking. Didn't have to throw to tight windows often. Average processor on field. Still learning when to get rid of the ball and move to next play. Slow to make anticipatory throws and can improve patience in allowing combo routes to mature rather than rushing the read. Missed obvious pre-snap blitzes. Drive accuracy needs work. When cutting it loose, ball tends to sail on him a bit. Arm strength is adequate but inconsistent to field side. Needs to bring hips through throws to increase zip into tight windows in NFL. Fumbled 27 times during his career. "
How high should that qb go in the draft? Sounds less a qb than Allen? His top wr, Josh Huff was drafted in the third round by the Eagles. His rb was drafted in the fourth round. He had a conference star center...quite a good cast around him. His accuracy was 61 % overall regular season, 60.x % in playoffs in college.
Allen plays in a pro style offense, doesn't lend itself to stats, and his percentage is a bit low, but he is more a prospect than the guy above, I think. It's Mariotta, out of Oregon. He was picked second overall. Josh Allen is a better pick.
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What I wish we could know...but obviously we cannot, is what the Browns FO has done in terms of eliminating people.
E.g.....take my above post. If Allen, and Mayfield are consistently bad in these workouts, it would be nice to know if the Brows FO has simply done this:
Josh AllenBaker MayfieldAnd, it would be nice to know if they still have perhaps a board like this:
Darnold
Rosen
Rudolph
Jackson
etc.
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Just say no to another inaccurate QB.
I understand. However, the inaccuracy - is that a result of a serious lack of athleticism/coordination? Or, a lack of development, and can be professionally coached? I agree that a qb that is inaccurate in college because of a lack of athleticism will be inaccurate in the pros, sure.
I just wonder if a guy who could be an outstanding athlete , which Allen is, could develop into a world class pro qb.
Take this guy:
"
Weaknesses
Benefits from an offense that is predicated on simplified reads. Offense able to create wide-open receivers after busted coverages at times. Needs to improve resetting feet when maneuvering pocket to improve accuracy and power. Tends to "see" pass rush too often. Will drop eyes and look to escape pocket rather than stepping to available pocket space. Frequent trips outside pocket increase opportunity for injury. Pocket feel is very average. Stepped into sacks he had no business taking. Didn't have to throw to tight windows often. Average processor on field. Still learning when to get rid of the ball and move to next play. Slow to make anticipatory throws and can improve patience in allowing combo routes to mature rather than rushing the read. Missed obvious pre-snap blitzes. Drive accuracy needs work. When cutting it loose, ball tends to sail on him a bit. Arm strength is adequate but inconsistent to field side. Needs to bring hips through throws to increase zip into tight windows in NFL. Fumbled 27 times during his career. "
How high should that qb go in the draft? Sounds less a qb than Allen? His top wr, Josh Huff was drafted in the third round by the Eagles. His rb was drafted in the fourth round. He had a conference star center...quite a good cast around him. His accuracy was 61 % overall regular season, 60.x % in playoffs in college.
Allen plays in a pro style offense, doesn't lend itself to stats, and his percentage is a bit low, but he is more a prospect than the guy above, I think. It's Mariotta, out of Oregon. He was picked second overall. Josh Allen is a better pick.
I understand. However, the inaccuracy - is that a result of a serious lack of athleticism/coordination? Or, a lack of development, and can be professionally coached? I agree that a qb that is inaccurate in college because of a lack of athleticism will be inaccurate in the pros, sure.
I just wonder if a guy who could be an outstanding athlete , which Allen is, could develop into a world class pro qb.
No...he was lousy against decent competition in college and very very average against a weak Mountain West conference.
Allen ranked 83rd nationally in completion percentage in 2017, at just 56.3 percent. His pass efficiency rating ranked 73rd. In 2016, his only previous season of appreciable playing time, he completed 56 percent of his throws.
Then there are his numbers in Wyoming’s games against opponents from Power Five conferences. Facing Iowa and Oregon in 2017 and Nebraska in ’16, Allen was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. Disastrous numbers.
He's a project at best.
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Just say no to another inaccurate QB.
I understand. However, the inaccuracy - is that a result of a serious lack of athleticism/coordination? Or, a lack of development, and can be professionally coached? I agree that a qb that is inaccurate in college because of a lack of athleticism will be inaccurate in the pros, sure.
I just wonder if a guy who could be an outstanding athlete , which Allen is, could develop into a world class pro qb.
Take this guy:
"
Weaknesses
Benefits from an offense that is predicated on simplified reads. Offense able to create wide-open receivers after busted coverages at times. Needs to improve resetting feet when maneuvering pocket to improve accuracy and power. Tends to "see" pass rush too often. Will drop eyes and look to escape pocket rather than stepping to available pocket space. Frequent trips outside pocket increase opportunity for injury. Pocket feel is very average. Stepped into sacks he had no business taking. Didn't have to throw to tight windows often. Average processor on field. Still learning when to get rid of the ball and move to next play. Slow to make anticipatory throws and can improve patience in allowing combo routes to mature rather than rushing the read. Missed obvious pre-snap blitzes. Drive accuracy needs work. When cutting it loose, ball tends to sail on him a bit. Arm strength is adequate but inconsistent to field side. Needs to bring hips through throws to increase zip into tight windows in NFL. Fumbled 27 times during his career. "
How high should that qb go in the draft? Sounds less a qb than Allen? His top wr, Josh Huff was drafted in the third round by the Eagles. His rb was drafted in the fourth round. He had a conference star center...quite a good cast around him. His accuracy was 61 % overall regular season, 60.x % in playoffs in college.
Allen plays in a pro style offense, doesn't lend itself to stats, and his percentage is a bit low, but he is more a prospect than the guy above, I think. It's Mariotta, out of Oregon. He was picked second overall. Josh Allen is a better pick.
I understand. However, the inaccuracy - is that a result of a serious lack of athleticism/coordination? Or, a lack of development, and can be professionally coached? I agree that a qb that is inaccurate in college because of a lack of athleticism will be inaccurate in the pros, sure.
Maybe it is a result of him just being bad at that skill.....the most important skill of being an NFL QB. So, maybe it is the result of him being not good.
I just wonder if a guy who could be an outstanding athlete , which Allen is, could develop into a world class pro qb.
Maybe we should draft Usain Bolt, or Michael Phelps to be our QB....if all you want is an outstanding athlete.
Take this guy:
"
Weaknesses
Benefits from an offense that is predicated on simplified reads. Offense able to create wide-open receivers after busted coverages at times. Needs to improve resetting feet when maneuvering pocket to improve accuracy and power. Tends to "see" pass rush too often. Will drop eyes and look to escape pocket rather than stepping to available pocket space. Frequent trips outside pocket increase opportunity for injury. Pocket feel is very average. Stepped into sacks he had no business taking. Didn't have to throw to tight windows often. Average processor on field. Still learning when to get rid of the ball and move to next play. Slow to make anticipatory throws and can improve patience in allowing combo routes to mature rather than rushing the read. Missed obvious pre-snap blitzes. Drive accuracy needs work. When cutting it loose, ball tends to sail on him a bit. Arm strength is adequate but inconsistent to field side. Needs to bring hips through throws to increase zip into tight windows in NFL. Fumbled 27 times during his career. "
How high should that qb go in the draft? Sounds less a qb than Allen? His top wr, Josh Huff was drafted in the third round by the Eagles. His rb was drafted in the fourth round. He had a conference star center...quite a good cast around him. His accuracy was 61 % overall regular season, 60.x % in playoffs in college.
Allen plays in a pro style offense, doesn't lend itself to stats, and his percentage is a bit low, but he is more a prospect than the guy above, I think. It's Mariotta, out of Oregon. He was picked second overall. Josh Allen is a better pick.
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I'm not going to read any of the 6 pages on this thread, but I'm sure it's been mentioned that "no, they really aren't very good. In fact, they're quite bad"
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I understand. However, the inaccuracy - is that a result of a serious lack of athleticism/coordination? Or, a lack of development, and can be professionally coached? I agree that a qb that is inaccurate in college because of a lack of athleticism will be inaccurate in the pros, sure.
I just wonder if a guy who could be an outstanding athlete , which Allen is, could develop into a world class pro qb.
No...he was lousy against decent competition in college and very very average against a weak Mountain West conference.
Allen ranked 83rd nationally in completion percentage in 2017, at just 56.3 percent. His pass efficiency rating ranked 73rd. In 2016, his only previous season of appreciable playing time, he completed 56 percent of his throws.
Then there are his numbers in Wyoming’s games against opponents from Power Five conferences. Facing Iowa and Oregon in 2017 and Nebraska in ’16, Allen was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. Disastrous numbers.
He's a project at best.
No...he was lousy against decent competition in college and very very average against a weak Mountain West conference.
Allen ranked 83rd nationally in completion percentage in 2017, at just 56.3 percent. His pass efficiency rating ranked 73rd. In 2016, his only previous season of appreciable playing time, he completed 56 percent of his throws.
Then there are his numbers in Wyoming’s games against opponents from Power Five conferences. Facing Iowa and Oregon in 2017 and Nebraska in ’16, Allen was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. Disastrous numbers.
He's a project at best.
I get it - those were tough games. Wyoming vs IOWA? NEBRASKA? OREGON? his offense didn't have a chance.
OTH, there is Carson Wentz;
8/29/2015 @ Mont 16 28 198 57.1 2 0 44 13 70 5.4 2 19 0 0 - 0 -
9/12/2015 Web 19 29 281 65.5 3 0 55 7 45 6.4 1 27 0 0 - 0 -
9/19/2015 NorDak 18 27 262 66.7 4 0 38 10 -9 -0.9 0 7 0 0 - 0 -
10/3/2015 @ SDkSt 19 27 183 70.4 1 0 30 7 54 7.7 1 27 0 0 - 0 -
10/10/2015 NoIa 26 40 335 65.0 4 2 42 12 47 3.9 0 9 0 0 - 0 -
10/17/2015 SouDak 16 28 195 57.1 2 0 37 5 8 1.6 0 7 0 0 - 0 -
1/9/2016 JacSt 16 29 197 55.2 1 2 32 9 79 8.8 2 29 0 0 - 0 -So, there is Carson Wentz only passing for 57.1% vs Montana. Only 57.1 % vs South Dakota. And egad, only 55.2 % against...Jacksonville State? That is 48 of 85 for 590 yards, 5 TD's.
That is three of his worst games, vs far, far less competition than Nebrask, Iowa, and Oregon. That is with a wr picked in the third round of the NFL draft, a rb picked in the fourth round. I'm just saying it's far more complicated than a simple comparison of stats.
Against smalltime competition, three of those worst games ... Wentz's average was 56.4%. Wentz never had to play those three big teams Allen did. It's all relative - that's all I'm saying.
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I have said that I think perhaps the Browns should do the RGIII/Cousins thing....and take a QB high and a QB in like round 4. So...I may be in favor of taking Allen......in round 4. (which may be where his actual overall rating should lie)
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I have said that I think perhaps the Browns should do the RGIII/Cousins thing....and take a QB high and a QB in like round 4. So...I may be in favor of taking Allen......in round 4. (which may be where his actual overall rating should lie)
I have said that I think perhaps the Browns should do the RGIII/Cousins thing....and take a QB high and a QB in like round 4. So...I may be in favor of taking Allen......in round 4. (which may be where his actual overall rating should lie)
LOL. ok. do you really think he falls out of round one? doesn't go in the top ten?
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