Josh Allen mechanics are very good.
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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1) Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
2) Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
3) Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
4) You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
1) I'll grant you that one- but Kelly had potentially better options at QB. Wyoming's backup was? Kizer got a scholarship at a top FBS School out of the gate, Allen was a JUCO transfer. So tell me Cal, if running a pro style offense matters that much to NFL talent evaluators, How many of the current top 10 QB prospects ran one? Allen and? Nobody? Hmmmmm?
2) Honorable Mention Mountain West- damn impressive. NOT. It's apples to apples Cal. If Allen was playing with inferior talent- he was playing against inferior talent most of the time too. He should have had absolutely dominating stats- and he didn't.
3) Sure- Josh is a hero in Wyoming, because NFL level talent shows up at Laramie once in a blue moon. Ohio State or Alabama churn out more top NFL talent in one year than Wyoming does in 20 or 30.
4) Where did you ever get that silly idea? Get it through your thick head- I currently have Rosen third on my board (injury concerns), ahead of Allen sure- because talent Trumps (pun intended) attitude. Politics has nothing to do with my opinion of Rosen- but it just might color yours. Need to see my RNC card (loyal member since 2002), goober? I'll try to leave politics out of this Cal- but you're living in some alternate reality if you don't think there's legions of hard core Republicans who think Trump is a complete a-hole.
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Also not sure where your Mariota discussion comes from. Mariota's completion percentages at Oregon were 68.5, 63.5 and 68.3%. And in the NFL he's a low 60's QB...
Where does a college guy in the 50's end up?
read the exerpt from the mariota draft profile I posted. I didn't write it.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/marcus-mariota?id=2552466
Do you know that Jeff Lockie, the back up qb had 75 percent completion rate?
seriously.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/oregon/2014.html
It's their offense that lends itself to high completion numbers.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/marcus-mariota?id=2552466
Do you know that Jeff Lockie, the back up qb had 75 percent completion rate? seriously.
Nice try- on 28 passing attempts- Landry Jones completed 82% of his passes for the Steelers last year too. On the same number of attempts. Small sample size skews results. You throw one pass for a touchdown, you get a perfect QBR.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/marcus-mariota?id=2552466
Do you know that Jeff Lockie, the back up qb had 75 percent completion rate? seriously.
Nice try- on 28 passing attempts- Landry Jones completed 82% of his passes for the Steelers last year too. On the same number of attempts. Small sample size skews results. You throw one pass for a touchdown, you get a perfect QBR.
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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1) Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
2) Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
3) Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
4) You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
1) I'll grant you that one- but Kelly had potentially better options at QB. Wyoming's backup was? Kizer got a scholarship at a top FBS School out of the gate, Allen was a JUCO transfer. So tell me Cal, if running a pro style offense matters that much to NFL talent evaluators, How many of the current top 10 QB prospects ran one? Allen and? Nobody? Hmmmmm?
2) Honorable Mention Mountain West- damn impressive. NOT. It's apples to apples Cal. If Allen was playing with inferior talent- he was playing against inferior talent most of the time too. He should have had absolutely dominating stats- and he didn't.
3) Sure- Josh is a hero in Wyoming, because NFL level talent shows up at Laramie once in a blue moon. Ohio State or Alabama churn out more top NFL talent in one year than Wyoming does in 20 or 30.
4) Where did you ever get that silly idea? Get it through your thick head- I currently have Rosen third on my board (injury concerns), ahead of Allen sure- because talent Trumps (pun intended) attitude. Politics has nothing to do with my opinion of Rosen- but it just might color yours. Need to see my RNC card (loyal member since 2002), goober? I'll try to leave politics out of this Cal- but you're living in some alternate reality if you don't think there's legions of hard core Republicans who think Trump is a complete a-hole.
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If Kizer can correct his accuracy problems, he's bound for Canton.
What's that? He can't? I, for one, am shocked.
Let's repeat the process with a QB who found a way to be less accurate than Kizer in college! [Kizer 59% as a senior, 63% as a junior]
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I was just listening to Browns Daily this morning, and Nathan Zegura asked Senior Staff Writer Andrew Gribble a thoughtful question. He said, "Gribbs...last year the Browns drafted a guy who was built very similarly to Josh Allen. A guy who struggled with accuracy, someone who can really wow people with some of his throws, and someone who has the kind of size many people want in a QB. What separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer, and why would someone draft Allen 50 spots higher than Kizer and perhaps #1 overall?"
Interestingly enough, Gribble said he didn't have an answer. Now he backed out by saying he still needs more time to evaluate Allen, and also said that somebody who knows much more about QB's would have to answer that, but he basically couldn't provide an answer on what separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer. Additionally, Gribble said that Allen has done NOTHING to calm any fears regarding accuracy, and Allen has definitely had the most "where is THAT ball going?" throws of the Senior Bowl so far. And while it's still extremely early, he even said he'd compare Allen a little bit to "Major League" where some of Allen's throws were "Juuuuuuuust a bit outside! Tried the corner and missed...."
Josh Allen played in the Mountain West, and his numbers have already been brought up enough. To put it bluntly, they weren't good...at all. At this very early juncture of the evaluation process, I want nothing to do with him. This can obviously change as we get more information, I see some breakdowns of Allen's games, and I see the other candidates play more, but if you're the Browns, and you haven't had a good QB in almost 2 decades, why on EARTH would you want to take a risk on a guy who played in the Mountain West that struggles to throw the ball where he wants to?
People want to talk like Allen is in play for the #1 pick, and I think that's absolutely CRAZY. I don't even have him above Lamar Jackson. That being said, I just heard an interesting anecdote on Browns Daily (taped from 1/24). The same unnamed "Senior NFL Executive" who said the Browns should take Carson Wentz and "they'd be set for over a decade" two years ago, also just said that "Josh Allen is #1 and it's not even close." I'm looking forward to studying Josh Allen more and really delving into some of his actual games to make my own opinion. Right now, I don't have him very high at all, but it's fascinating to hear that reputable NFL talent evaluators have him #1, and it HAS to go beyond just being big and having a huge arm. Has anybody REALLY broken this guy down? If you have, what do you see? I'm talking about evaluating beyone the paltry stats.
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Josh Allen isn't Carson Wentz..
The man we should have drafted..
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
1. Kizer is just as inaccurate a QB as Allen. The stats prove that out if you would just choose to read them.
2. Huge success?? seriously? Mountain West honorable mention is huge success?? Get the fuck out of here.
3. Of course he was. And Donell Pumphrey is a hero at San Diego State for the same reason. SDSU is the only team in SD so having a star player makes him a hero regardless of how talented he actually is.
4. I am unaware of Rosen's politics. I prefer Mayfield or Darnold (preferably a FA over both of them) over Rosen. I am in anyone but Allen camp. We don't need another great athlete inaccurate QB on the roster, we already have one.
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
If Allen had played at a school with the level of talent and recruiting that ND has.....he may in fact have been benched, as was Kizer.
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3) Sure- Josh is a hero in Wyoming, because NFL level talent shows up at Laramie once in a blue moon. Ohio State or Alabama churn out more top NFL talent in one year than Wyoming does in 20 or 30.
Maybe the best talent out of Wyoming is a guy we had: my brother from another mother: Tashaun.
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If Kizer can correct his accuracy problems, he's bound for Canton.
What's that? He can't? I, for one, am shocked.
Let's repeat the process with a QB who found a way to be less accurate than Kizer in college! [Kizer 59% as a senior, 63% as a junior]
If Kizer can correct his accuracy problems, he's bound for Canton.
What's that? He can't? I, for one, am shocked.
Let's repeat the process with a QB who found a way to be less accurate than Kizer in college! [Kizer 59% as a senior, 63% as a junior]
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I was just listening to Browns Daily this morning, and Nathan Zegura asked Senior Staff Writer Andrew Gribble a thoughtful question. He said, "Gribbs...last year the Browns drafted a guy who was built very similarly to Josh Allen. A guy who struggled with accuracy, someone who can really wow people with some of his throws, and someone who has the kind of size many people want in a QB. What separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer, and why would someone draft Allen 50 spots higher than Kizer and perhaps #1 overall?"
Interestingly enough, Gribble said he didn't have an answer. Now he backed out by saying he still needs more time to evaluate Allen, and also said that somebody who knows much more about QB's would have to answer that, but he basically couldn't provide an answer on what separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer. Additionally, Gribble said that Allen has done NOTHING to calm any fears regarding accuracy, and Allen has definitely had the most "where is THAT ball going?" throws of the Senior Bowl so far. And while it's still extremely early, he even said he'd compare Allen a little bit to "Major League" where some of Allen's throws were "Juuuuuuuust a bit outside! Tried the corner and missed...."
Josh Allen played in the Mountain West, and his numbers have already been brought up enough. To put it bluntly, they weren't good...at all. At this very early juncture of the evaluation process, I want nothing to do with him. This can obviously change as we get more information, I see some breakdowns of Allen's games, and I see the other candidates play more, but if you're the Browns, and you haven't had a good QB in almost 2 decades, why on EARTH would you want to take a risk on a guy who played in the Mountain West that struggles to throw the ball where he wants to?
People want to talk like Allen is in play for the #1 pick, and I think that's absolutely CRAZY. I don't even have him above Lamar Jackson. That being said, I just heard an interesting anecdote on Browns Daily (taped from 1/24). The same unnamed "Senior NFL Executive" who said the Browns should take Carson Wentz and "they'd be set for over a decade" two years ago, also just said that "Josh Allen is #1 and it's not even close." I'm looking forward to studying Josh Allen more and really delving into some of his actual games to make my own opinion. Right now, I don't have him very high at all, but it's fascinating to hear that reputable NFL talent evaluators have him #1, and it HAS to go beyond just being big and having a huge arm. Has anybody REALLY broken this guy down? If you have, what do you see? I'm talking about evaluating beyone the paltry stats.
I was just listening to Browns Daily this morning, and Nathan Zegura asked Senior Staff Writer Andrew Gribble a thoughtful question. He said, "Gribbs...last year the Browns drafted a guy who was built very similarly to Josh Allen. A guy who struggled with accuracy, someone who can really wow people with some of his throws, and someone who has the kind of size many people want in a QB. What separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer, and why would someone draft Allen 50 spots higher than Kizer and perhaps #1 overall?"
Interestingly enough, Gribble said he didn't have an answer. Now he backed out by saying he still needs more time to evaluate Allen, and also said that somebody who knows much more about QB's would have to answer that, but he basically couldn't provide an answer on what separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer. Additionally, Gribble said that Allen has done NOTHING to calm any fears regarding accuracy, and Allen has definitely had the most "where is THAT ball going?" throws of the Senior Bowl so far. And while it's still extremely early, he even said he'd compare Allen a little bit to "Major League" where some of Allen's throws were "Juuuuuuuust a bit outside! Tried the corner and missed...."
Josh Allen played in the Mountain West, and his numbers have already been brought up enough. To put it bluntly, they weren't good...at all. At this very early juncture of the evaluation process, I want nothing to do with him. This can obviously change as we get more information, I see some breakdowns of Allen's games, and I see the other candidates play more, but if you're the Browns, and you haven't had a good QB in almost 2 decades, why on EARTH would you want to take a risk on a guy who played in the Mountain West that struggles to throw the ball where he wants to?
People want to talk like Allen is in play for the #1 pick, and I think that's absolutely CRAZY. I don't even have him above Lamar Jackson. That being said, I just heard an interesting anecdote on Browns Daily (taped from 1/24). The same unnamed "Senior NFL Executive" who said the Browns should take Carson Wentz and "they'd be set for over a decade" two years ago, also just said that "Josh Allen is #1 and it's not even close." I'm looking forward to studying Josh Allen more and really delving into some of his actual games to make my own opinion. Right now, I don't have him very high at all, but it's fascinating to hear that reputable NFL talent evaluators have him #1, and it HAS to go beyond just being big and having a huge arm. Has anybody REALLY broken this guy down? If you have, what do you see? I'm talking about evaluating beyone the paltry stats.
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
1. Kizer is just as inaccurate a QB as Allen. The stats prove that out if you would just choose to read them.
2. Huge success?? seriously? Mountain West honorable mention is huge success?? Get the fuck out of here.
3. Of course he was. And Donell Pumphrey is a hero at San Diego State for the same reason. SDSU is the only team in SD so having a star player makes him a hero regardless of how talented he actually is.
4. I am unaware of Rosen's politics. I prefer Mayfield or Darnold (preferably a FA over both of them) over Rosen. I am in anyone but Allen camp. We don't need another great athlete inaccurate QB on the roster, we already have one.
1. Kizer is just as inaccurate a QB as Allen. The stats prove that out if you would just choose to read them.
2. Huge success?? seriously? Mountain West honorable mention is huge success?? Get the Shmuck out of here.
3. Of course he was. And Donell Pumphrey is a hero at San Diego State for the same reason. SDSU is the only team in SD so having a star player makes him a hero regardless of how talented he actually is.
4. I am unaware of Rosen's politics. I prefer Mayfield or Darnold (preferably a FA over both of them) over Rosen. I am in anyone but Allen camp. We don't need another great athlete inaccurate QB on the roster, we already have one.
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3) Sure- Josh is a hero in Wyoming, because NFL level talent shows up at Laramie once in a blue moon. Ohio State or Alabama churn out more top NFL talent in one year than Wyoming does in 20 or 30.
Maybe the best talent out of Wyoming is a guy we had: my brother from another mother: Tashaun.
3) Sure- Josh is a hero in Wyoming, because NFL level talent shows up at Laramie once in a blue moon. Ohio State or Alabama churn out more top NFL talent in one year than Wyoming does in 20 or 30.
Maybe the best talent out of Wyoming is a guy we had: my brother from another mother: Tashaun.
maybe if an elephant had really big wings, it could fly....
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Noticed a few throws during practice. While it isn't consistent, there are times when Allen isn't dropping his elbow on initial wind up - which is a nice sign of recognizing poor mechanics and working to improve.
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3) Sure- Josh is a hero in Wyoming, because NFL level talent shows up at Laramie once in a blue moon. Ohio State or Alabama churn out more top NFL talent in one year than Wyoming does in 20 or 30.
Maybe the best talent out of Wyoming is a guy we had: my brother from another mother: Tashaun.
maybe if an elephant had really big wings, it could fly....
maybe if an elephant had really big wings, it could fly....
Right now.....Tashaun Gipson is a far more proven talent than Allen. He was a UDFA that made at least one Pro Bowl with the Browns. And who knows....he may forever prove to be a better NFL talent than Allen.
Or..so you have a third person in mind.
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
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I also do not "get" the Allen-Wentz comparisons. Despite very similar ht/wt measurements, Wentz looks much thicker to me.
Carson also came off more confident... more comfortable "in his skin" back during his Sr Bowl Week than I see Allen looking. I think this may be where teams start downgrading Allen this and Combine Week.
Back to throwing... NfL Live did a live cut in to their Sr. Bowl coverage on ESPNU (I did not know they were covering the week "live"). Here's the gist of a couple observations on Allen:
- Polian: "He looks better."
- McShay: "He's showing more touch. Everything on tape is "fastballs". He seems to be learning that he does not need to do so."
- Riddick: "Have you noticed how much better he throws the out-routes than anything inside?" Everyone: "Yes."
What I saw in Allen's Day 2 work.
- The more players that there were on the field, the worse Allen performed. The above cut in was during WR "vs air" drills. Yesterday as DBs were added thru 7-on-7 and then full squad work Allen's "touch" evaporated. To my eye he recognizes "open" late and then tries to make up time with his arm-strength.
- On one throw during the full squad session Allen did something I've never seen a QB do... as he threw he bent at his wait to his left side. It was freaking weird. There was a little DL pressure which he sidestepped left. He reset well, but then inexplicably brought his frontfoot back and "in the bucket" to his left, and then bent to the left producing some kind of weird "over-the-top-3/4-sidearm" throw. The throw sailed high and behind an open WR running a 15-yd out. I'm not feeling a lot of "cool under pressure" in his game.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
I'm going to try to keep the forum sections separated. Care to join me?
Liberal Obamaoite.
More like RINO...
I'm going to try to keep the forum sections separated. Care to join me?
That ship sailed over the edge several times. I just had to get a reverse in there. Last one.
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