Josh Allen mechanics are very good.
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As me and Mark have said- we already have Allen on the roster, his name is Deshone Kizer- so what in the hell do you see in Allen that's so different from Deshone? hoorta
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Baloney. Kizer was benched at ND while trying to run a non-pro style offense.
Allen was a huge success with far, far, far less talent around him than Kizer had.
Allen is just as much a hero at Wyoming as Wentz was at North Dakota. Wentz was far more polished, ya.
You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
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I also do not "get" the Allen-Wentz comparisons. Despite very similar ht/wt measurements, Wentz looks much thicker to me.
Carson also came off more confident... more comfortable "in his skin" back during his Sr Bowl Week than I see Allen looking. I think this may be where teams start downgrading Allen this and Combine Week.
Back to throwing... NfL Live did a live cut in to their Sr. Bowl coverage on ESPNU (I did not know they were covering the week "live"). Here's the gist of a couple observations on Allen:
- Polian: "He looks better."
- McShay: "He's showing more touch. Everything on tape is "fastballs". He seems to be learning that he does not need to do so."
- Riddick: "Have you noticed how much better he throws the out-routes than anything inside?" Everyone: "Yes."
What I saw in Allen's Day 2 work.
- The more players that there were on the field, the worse Allen performed. The above cut in was during WR "vs air" drills. Yesterday as DBs were added thru 7-on-7 and then full squad work Allen's "touch" evaporated. To my eye he recognizes "open" late and then tries to make up time with his arm-strength.
- On one throw during the full squad session Allen did something I've never seen a QB do... as he threw he bent at his wait to his left side. It was freaking weird. There was a little DL pressure which he sidestepped left. He reset well, but then inexplicably brought his frontfoot back and "in the bucket" to his left, and then bent to the left producing some kind of weird "over-the-top-3/4-sidearm" throw. The throw sailed high and behind an open WR running a 15-yd out. I'm not feeling a lot of "cool under pressure" in his game.
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You just love you some rosen because he fits your politics, and you can't let go of that.
I'm going to try to keep the forum sections separated. Care to join me?
Liberal Obamaoite.
More like RINO...
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That ship sailed over the edge several times. I just had to get a reverse in there. Last one.
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I was just listening to Browns Daily this morning, and Nathan Zegura asked Senior Staff Writer Andrew Gribble a thoughtful question. He said, "Gribbs...last year the Browns drafted a guy who was built very similarly to Josh Allen. A guy who struggled with accuracy, someone who can really wow people with some of his throws, and someone who has the kind of size many people want in a QB. What separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer, and why would someone draft Allen 50 spots higher than Kizer and perhaps #1 overall?"
Interestingly enough, Gribble said he didn't have an answer. Now he backed out by saying he still needs more time to evaluate Allen, and also said that somebody who knows much more about QB's would have to answer that, but he basically couldn't provide an answer on what separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer. Additionally, Gribble said that Allen has done NOTHING to calm any fears regarding accuracy, and Allen has definitely had the most "where is THAT ball going?" throws of the Senior Bowl so far. And while it's still extremely early, he even said he'd compare Allen a little bit to "Major League" where some of Allen's throws were "Juuuuuuuust a bit outside! Tried the corner and missed...."
Josh Allen played in the Mountain West, and his numbers have already been brought up enough. To put it bluntly, they weren't good...at all. At this very early juncture of the evaluation process, I want nothing to do with him. This can obviously change as we get more information, I see some breakdowns of Allen's games, and I see the other candidates play more, but if you're the Browns, and you haven't had a good QB in almost 2 decades, why on EARTH would you want to take a risk on a guy who played in the Mountain West that struggles to throw the ball where he wants to?
People want to talk like Allen is in play for the #1 pick, and I think that's absolutely CRAZY. I don't even have him above Lamar Jackson. That being said, I just heard an interesting anecdote on Browns Daily (taped from 1/24). The same unnamed "Senior NFL Executive" who said the Browns should take Carson Wentz and "they'd be set for over a decade" two years ago, also just said that "Josh Allen is #1 and it's not even close." I'm looking forward to studying Josh Allen more and really delving into some of his actual games to make my own opinion. Right now, I don't have him very high at all, but it's fascinating to hear that reputable NFL talent evaluators have him #1, and it HAS to go beyond just being big and having a huge arm. Has anybody REALLY broken this guy down? If you have, what do you see? I'm talking about evaluating beyone the paltry stats.
I was just listening to Browns Daily this morning, and Nathan Zegura asked Senior Staff Writer Andrew Gribble a thoughtful question. He said, "Gribbs...last year the Browns drafted a guy who was built very similarly to Josh Allen. A guy who struggled with accuracy, someone who can really wow people with some of his throws, and someone who has the kind of size many people want in a QB. What separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer, and why would someone draft Allen 50 spots higher than Kizer and perhaps #1 overall?"
Interestingly enough, Gribble said he didn't have an answer. Now he backed out by saying he still needs more time to evaluate Allen, and also said that somebody who knows much more about QB's would have to answer that, but he basically couldn't provide an answer on what separates Josh Allen from Deshone Kizer. Additionally, Gribble said that Allen has done NOTHING to calm any fears regarding accuracy, and Allen has definitely had the most "where is THAT ball going?" throws of the Senior Bowl so far. And while it's still extremely early, he even said he'd compare Allen a little bit to "Major League" where some of Allen's throws were "Juuuuuuuust a bit outside! Tried the corner and missed...."
Josh Allen played in the Mountain West, and his numbers have already been brought up enough. To put it bluntly, they weren't good...at all. At this very early juncture of the evaluation process, I want nothing to do with him. This can obviously change as we get more information, I see some breakdowns of Allen's games, and I see the other candidates play more, but if you're the Browns, and you haven't had a good QB in almost 2 decades, why on EARTH would you want to take a risk on a guy who played in the Mountain West that struggles to throw the ball where he wants to?
People want to talk like Allen is in play for the #1 pick, and I think that's absolutely CRAZY. I don't even have him above Lamar Jackson. That being said, I just heard an interesting anecdote on Browns Daily (taped from 1/24). The same unnamed "Senior NFL Executive" who said the Browns should take Carson Wentz and "they'd be set for over a decade" two years ago, also just said that "Josh Allen is #1 and it's not even close." I'm looking forward to studying Josh Allen more and really delving into some of his actual games to make my own opinion. Right now, I don't have him very high at all, but it's fascinating to hear that reputable NFL talent evaluators have him #1, and it HAS to go beyond just being big and having a huge arm. Has anybody REALLY broken this guy down? If you have, what do you see? I'm talking about evaluating beyone the paltry stats.
I'll defer to Tour on an in depth breakdown of Allen's mechanics. I don't have the level of knowledge to intelligently comment on that. BTW Mayrock says they need a lot of work. Here's my take. Me and Tex Ag have both watched 4-5 complete college games of Allen's- and come to the same conclusion- not good.. Except the Potato Bowl where he beat up on Central Michigan. Josh has a true rocket launcher arm attached to his shoulder- but it's not all that accurate. I love Tour's take that when Allen hits the side of the barn- he can put a hole in it. To be fair, there was a comment at the Senior Bowl some receivers were having trouble adjusting to the speed the ball was getting into them- because they had never seen anything that fast before. When he gets everything right (not often enough) on some of his college tape, you'd swear you were seeing a reincarnation of John Elway. OTOH, me and Mark have the same viewpoint- Allen's on- field game (forget the other crap Cal keeps dredging up) looks exactly the same as Kizer looked like at Notre Dame- and I watched several of his college games. Allen is better at minimizing brain fart turnovers Deshone had\has a penchant for at ND and the Browns, but that's about it. Other than that, they're essentially the same player. Allen @ the Senior Bowl 6' 4.75" 238 lb, 10.25" hand. Kizer @ the combine 6' 4.1" 233 lb, 9.9" hand. (As I like to point out some draftniks had Kizer rated as the #1 qb prospect last year)
Allen looks best on rollouts- I really don't remember a lot of him just sitting in the pocket and going through his progressions- that's my fault for not taking notes...
So maybe that's what scouts love about Allen- his ideal size, terrific arm and the potential for future growth. He's not there yet, and damn near everyone thinks he's a work in progress. Do I think (or should the Browns) want to take a chance on that with the #1 or #4 picks? I say no, and hell no. Allen is not another Carson Wentz- note stats below, but some team is going to fall in love with that big arm and take a flyer on him in the first round. Jeremiah thinks mid first. If it wasn't for the ++ arm, he'd be a day three prospect. It's the same thing that was said a few years ago about Johnny Football. Highest ceiling, lowest floor.
If you want stats- here's the current top prospects college stats... (in order of my current preference, completion %, TD\ints- and note the schools)
Sam Darnold- USC 64.9% 57\22
Baker Mayfield- Oklahoma 68.5% 131\30
Josh Rosen- UCLA 60.9% 59\29
Mason Rudolph OK State 63.2% 92\26
Josh Allen- Wyoming 56.2% 44\21
Luke Falk- Washington State 68.3% 119\39
Lamar Jackson- Louisville 57% 69\27
Kurt Benkert- Virginia 57.7% 46\20
Mike White- Western Kentucky 62% 74\31
and for kicks and giggles
Carson Wentz- ND State 64.1% 45\14
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The more I watch, the more I see another version of Kizer. Darnold or Rosen or bust..
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That ship sailed over the edge several times. I just had to get a reverse in there. Last one.
Fair enough... I've more than participated myself.
Now we just need to work on Ag...
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I also do not "get" the Allen-Wentz comparisons. Despite very similar ht/wt measurements, Wentz looks much thicker to me.
Carson also came off more confident... more comfortable "in his skin" back during his Sr Bowl Week than I see Allen looking. I think this may be where teams start downgrading Allen this and Combine Week.
Back to throwing... NfL Live did a live cut in to their Sr. Bowl coverage on ESPNU (I did not know they were covering the week "live"). Here's the gist of a couple observations on Allen:
- Polian: "He looks better."
- McShay: "He's showing more touch. Everything on tape is "fastballs". He seems to be learning that he does not need to do so."
- Riddick: "Have you noticed how much better he throws the out-routes than anything inside?" Everyone: "Yes."
What I saw in Allen's Day 2 work.
- The more players that there were on the field, the worse Allen performed. The above cut in was during WR "vs air" drills. Yesterday as DBs were added thru 7-on-7 and then full squad work Allen's "touch" evaporated. To my eye he recognizes "open" late and then tries to make up time with his arm-strength.
- On one throw during the full squad session Allen did something I've never seen a QB do... as he threw he bent at his wait to his left side. It was freaking weird. There was a little DL pressure which he sidestepped left. He reset well, but then inexplicably brought his frontfoot back and "in the bucket" to his left, and then bent to the left producing some kind of weird "over-the-top-3/4-sidearm" throw. The throw sailed high and behind an open WR running a 15-yd out. I'm not feeling a lot of "cool under pressure" in his game.
- I'm not feeling a lot of "cool under pressure" in his game.
There it is in a nutshell. Exactly what I observed in watching 4 complete games of his this past season. Usually he goes "rabbit" when that happens or throws way too high. Kizer II.
EDIT: Here's the thing. I lived in Cheyenne for 5+ years and there is nothing more I would like to see than one of the Cowboys do well. But he just is not NFL caliber. I wish he was.
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- I'm not feeling a lot of "cool under pressure" in his game.
There it is in a nutshell. Exactly what I observed in watching 4 complete games of his this past season. Usually he goes "rabbit" when that happens or throws way too high. Kizer II.
EDIT: Here's the thing. I lived in Cheyenne for 5+ years and there is nothing more I would like to see than one of the Cowboys do well. But he just is not NFL caliber. I wish he was.
There it is in a nutshell. Exactly what I observed in watching 4 complete games of his this past season. Usually he goes "rabbit" when that happens or throws way too high. Kizer II.
EDIT: Here's the thing. I lived in Cheyenne for 5+ years and there is nothing more I would like to see than one of the Cowboys do well. But he just is not NFL caliber. I wish he was.
Ditto that here Ag. Consider Wyoming one of my favorite states to visit. Been on U Wyoming's campus several times. Climbed Medicine Bow Peak twice, a couple of the Tetons, and about 7 in the Wind River Range (including Gannett, ah the allure of the Highpointers Club). Cal can rag on me all he wants- like you, nothing better I'd like to see than one of the Cowboys do well in the NFL. But like you- I'm just not seeing it in Josh....
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Some yuppies never planted a seed and watched it grow into a beautiful plant. Why,you take a beet seed. It isn't pretty. Rolls around a bit crooked in yer hand. Some yuppies, why, they be figurin' to figure that that beet seed ain't gonna amount to nothin. But you take that beet side, put it in some good dirt, a little water, a touch of fertilizer, and you just watch that little seed turn into somethin beautiful.
Now, lookee here. You got yer gold beets, yer red beets, yer striped beets. You don't know by lookin what you can be agrowinwhen you draft a smart future star, and add a little great coachin, surround him with great fellow players, and he grows into a great qb. Now, he may be a red..skins qb. Or, he could be a gold qb. Now, he ain't never agonna be no sickly stinkin three rivers scum yeller, or he'll be just be a cowpie follerin some gal into a bathroom, know what I'm sayin?
You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
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Some yuppies never planted a seed and watched it grow into a beautiful plant. Why,you take a beet seed. It isn't pretty. Rolls around a bit crooked in yer hand. Some yuppies, why, they be figurin' to figure that that beet seed ain't gonna amount to nothin. But you take that beet side, put it in some good dirt, a little water, a touch of fertilizer, and you just watch that little seed turn into somethin beautiful.
Now, lookee here. You got yer gold beets, yer red beets, yer striped beets. You don't know by lookin what you can be agrowinwhen you draft a smart future star, and add a little great coachin, surround him with great fellow players, and he grows into a great qb. Now, he may be a red..skins qb. Or, he could be a gold qb. Now, he ain't never agonna be no sickly stinkin three rivers scum yeller, or he'll be just be a cowpie follerin some gal into a bathroom, know what I'm sayin?
You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
Some yuppies never planted a seed and watched it grow into a beautiful plant. Why,you take a beet seed. It isn't pretty. Rolls around a bit crooked in yer hand. Some yuppies, why, they be figurin' to figure that that beet seed ain't gonna amount to nothin. But you take that beet side, put it in some good dirt, a little water, a touch of fertilizer, and you just watch that little seed turn into somethin beautiful.
Now, lookee here. You got yer gold beets, yer red beets, yer striped beets. You don't know by lookin what you can be agrowinwhen you draft a smart future star, and add a little great coachin, surround him with great fellow players, and he grows into a great qb. Now, he may be a red..skins qb. Or, he could be a gold qb. Now, he ain't never agonna be no sickly stinkin three rivers scum yeller, or he'll be just be a cowpie follerin some gal into a bathroom, know what I'm sayin?
You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
Are you sure you're not eating some other kind of seed cal? It's legal south of the Wyoming border now you know.
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All I know is if you hand me a beet or a beet seed it's getting thrown the Shmuck back at you.
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Some yuppies never planted a seed and watched it grow into a beautiful plant. Why,you take a beet seed. It isn't pretty. Rolls around a bit crooked in yer hand. Some yuppies, why, they be figurin' to figure that that beet seed ain't gonna amount to nothin. But you take that beet side, put it in some good dirt, a little water, a touch of fertilizer, and you just watch that little seed turn into somethin beautiful.
Now, lookee here. You got yer gold beets, yer red beets, yer striped beets. You don't know by lookin what you can be agrowinwhen you draft a smart future star, and add a little great coachin, surround him with great fellow players, and he grows into a great qb. Now, he may be a red..skins qb. Or, he could be a gold qb. Now, he ain't never agonna be no sickly stinkin three rivers scum yeller, or he'll be just be a cowpie follerin some gal into a bathroom, know what I'm sayin?
You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
Some yuppies never planted a seed and watched it grow into a beautiful plant. Why,you take a beet seed. It isn't pretty. Rolls around a bit crooked in yer hand. Some yuppies, why, they be figurin' to figure that that beet seed ain't gonna amount to nothin. But you take that beet side, put it in some good dirt, a little water, a touch of fertilizer, and you just watch that little seed turn into somethin beautiful.
Now, lookee here. You got yer gold beets, yer red beets, yer striped beets. You don't know by lookin what you can be agrowinwhen you draft a smart future star, and add a little great coachin, surround him with great fellow players, and he grows into a great qb. Now, he may be a red..skins qb. Or, he could be a gold qb. Now, he ain't never agonna be no sickly stinkin three rivers scum yeller, or he'll be just be a cowpie follerin some gal into a bathroom, know what I'm sayin?
You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
I don't like beets.
Plus, some seeds never germinate
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Beets are garbage.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I also do not "get" the Allen-Wentz comparisons. Despite very similar ht/wt measurements, Wentz looks much thicker to me.
Carson also came off more confident... more comfortable "in his skin" back during his Sr Bowl Week than I see Allen looking. I think this may be where teams start downgrading Allen this and Combine Week.
Back to throwing... NfL Live did a live cut in to their Sr. Bowl coverage on ESPNU (I did not know they were covering the week "live"). Here's the gist of a couple observations on Allen:
- Polian: "He looks better."
- McShay: "He's showing more touch. Everything on tape is "fastballs". He seems to be learning that he does not need to do so."
- Riddick: "Have you noticed how much better he throws the out-routes than anything inside?" Everyone: "Yes."
What I saw in Allen's Day 2 work.
- The more players that there were on the field, the worse Allen performed. The above cut in was during WR "vs air" drills. Yesterday as DBs were added thru 7-on-7 and then full squad work Allen's "touch" evaporated. To my eye he recognizes "open" late and then tries to make up time with his arm-strength.
- On one throw during the full squad session Allen did something I've never seen a QB do... as he threw he bent at his wait to his left side. It was freaking weird. There was a little DL pressure which he sidestepped left. He reset well, but then inexplicably brought his frontfoot back and "in the bucket" to his left, and then bent to the left producing some kind of weird "over-the-top-3/4-sidearm" throw. The throw sailed high and behind an open WR running a 15-yd out. I'm not feeling a lot of "cool under pressure" in his game.
- On one throw during the full squad session Allen did something I've never seen a QB do... as he threw he bent at his wait to his left side. It was freaking weird. There was a little DL pressure which he sidestepped left. He reset well, but then inexplicably brought his frontfoot back and "in the bucket" to his left, and then bent to the left producing some kind of weird "over-the-top-3/4-sidearm" throw. The throw sailed high and behind an open WR running a 15-yd out. I'm not feeling a lot of "cool under pressure" in his game.
Sounds Weeden-ish.
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Beets are garbage.
Beets are garbage.
I like beets.
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Some yuppies never planted a seed and watched it grow into a beautiful plant. Why,you take a beet seed. It isn't pretty. Rolls around a bit crooked in yer hand. Some yuppies, why, they be figurin' to figure that that beet seed ain't gonna amount to nothin. But you take that beet side, put it in some good dirt, a little water, a touch of fertilizer, and you just watch that little seed turn into somethin beautiful.
Now, lookee here. You got yer gold beets, yer red beets, yer striped beets. You don't know by lookin what you can be agrowinwhen you draft a smart future star, and add a little great coachin, surround him with great fellow players, and he grows into a great qb. Now, he may be a red..skins qb. Or, he could be a gold qb. Now, he ain't never agonna be no sickly stinkin three rivers scum yeller, or he'll be just be a cowpie follerin some gal into a bathroom, know what I'm sayin?
You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
You don't take a seed (project QB) with the first overall pick in the draft. That player needs to be a star from day one. If we have someone better who can start for a few weeks, that's fine but that first overall pick better be ready to go quickly.
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You just gotta see the beet in the future. Some can't do nothin but see the seed. The rest of us - we see the full growed beet. Now, you just gotta have a good seed to grow. You gotta have that qb that you figure will grow. Ain't no qb gonna grow into a right fine qb in the NFL, if'n he ain't got the vision to see the field, and at least enough character to stay on it.
End of story, fellers. Some of us see what he can be after he grows into an NFL qb; some can only see the seed. That's pretty much all thar is to it.
You don't take a seed (project QB) with the first overall pick in the draft. That player needs to be a star from day one. If we have someone better who can start for a few weeks, that's fine but that first overall pick better be ready to go quickly.
You don't take a seed (project QB) with the first overall pick in the draft. That player needs to be a star from day one. If we have someone better who can start for a few weeks, that's fine but that first overall pick better be ready to go quickly.
DraftScouts.com.....which, for some reason Tour thinks is invalid...probably because they disagree with him somewhat, have Allen rated as a late 3rd, early 4th round talent. The other 5.....Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph are all rated as 1st round or early 2d round talents.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/
But, in their Mock...they do have Allen being taken 15th.
(Browns take Darnold #1, Rosen #2 to Giants.....and they have Rudolph going #29 to the Steelers)
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You don't take a seed (project QB) with the first overall pick in the draft. That player needs to be a star from day one. If we have someone better who can start for a few weeks, that's fine but that first overall pick better be ready to go quickly.
DraftScouts.com.....which, for some reason Tour thinks is invalid...probably because they disagree with him somewhat, have Allen rated as a late 3rd, early 4th round talent. The other 5.....Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph are all rated as 1st round or early 2d round talents.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/
But, in their Mock...they do have Allen being taken 15th.
(Browns take Darnold #1, Rosen #2 to Giants.....and they have Rudolph going #29 to the Steelers)
DraftScouts.com.....which, for some reason Tour thinks is invalid...probably because they disagree with him somewhat, have Allen rated as a late 3rd, early 4th round talent. The other 5.....Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph are all rated as 1st round or early 2d round talents.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/
But, in their Mock...they do have Allen being taken 15th.
That's because to quote Brian Billick "need is a terrible evaluator of a quarterback". A team that needs one will reach for a project like Allen. Just like the Browns did with Weeden, Quinn, Manziel, etc etc etc.
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DraftScouts.com.....which, for some reason Tour thinks is invalid...probably because they disagree with him somewhat, have Allen rated as a late 3rd, early 4th round talent. The other 5.....Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph are all rated as 1st round or early 2d round talents.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/
But, in their Mock...they do have Allen being taken 15th.
That's because to quote Brian Billick "need is a terrible evaluator of a quarterback". A team that needs one will reach for a project like Allen. Just like the Browns did with Weeden, Quinn, Manziel, etc etc etc.
That's because to quote Brian Billick "need is a terrible evaluator of a quarterback". A team that needs one will reach for a project like Allen. Just like the Browns did with Weeden, Quinn, Manziel, etc etc etc.
And...in theory.....per that Draftscout report..they go along with what you say. NONE or only 1 of those QBs is actually Top Ten Talent. So....by their estimation, apparently....any QB taken above the 10 pick can likely be considered overdrafting.....for need. Per them....we should be taking the likes of Chubb, Derwin James, Fitzpatrick, Roquon Smith...even Barkley...rather than a QB at either 1 or 4.
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That's because to quote Brian Billick "need is a terrible evaluator of a quarterback". A team that needs one will reach for a project like Allen. Just like the Browns did with Weeden, Quinn, Manziel, etc etc etc.
And...in theory.....per that Draftscout report..they go along with what you say. NONE or only 1 of those QBs is actually Top Ten Talent. So....by their estimation, apparently....any QB taken above the 10 pick can likely be considered overdrafting.....for need. Per them....we should be taking the likes of Chubb, Derwin James, Fitzpatrick, Roquon Smith...even Barkley...rather than a QB at either 1 or 4.
And...in theory.....per that Draftscout report..they go along with what you say. NONE or only 1 of those QBs is actually Top Ten Talent. So....by their estimation, apparently....any QB taken above the 10 pick can likely be considered overdrafting.....for need. Per them....we should be taking the likes of Chubb, Derwin James, Fitzpatrick, Roquon Smith...even Barkley...rather than a QB at either 1 or 4.
True Gip, the players mentioned may be better prospects at their positions than the QBs, but no position affects the game more than the QB. It's why they're always over drafted. I won't bother to look it up, but I'd bet both Trubisky and Mahomes would be considered huge reaches based on their Draftscout rankings last year.
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