Are you all so sure Kizer can't be your QB?
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- Definitely still feeling the Sashi firing here, but it doesn't impact my ability to stay on point.
- "good bet" does not equal "would".
- a good bet is all you have to work with. They didn't take my advice and we see how it worked out. That's the bottom line.
- "my Buddy", if I had one in the 2017 Draft, was official Darkhorse: Chad Kelly. I ended up not having a favorite among the top four QBs going into the Draft. I did think we were smart to not spend a 1st on a QB last season and was OK with the 2nd spent on Kizer.
- I didn't want Kizer. I wanted to keep McCown and have Hogan back him up and if we are going to pick a gamble quarterback mine would have been Davis Webb. Neither web nor Kelly are burning up the league.
- conflating the retention of McC with a different use of the 2nd we sent on Kizer was nonsensical the first time your did it and is doubly so now.
- nonsensical? It would have been better than what we did. And that's what I would have done. Pretty simple. You can get as upset as you want and tell me there are no guarantees but there are never any guarantees and now that the has been played we know I would have been right. At the very least absolutely no worse than what we have except now we are saddled with Kizer.
WSS
- Neither web nor Kelly are burning up the league.
- nonsensical?
- Well, since Kelly has yet to step foot on a field in a game...
- Yes... as in lacks any sense. Hindsight does not change the circumstances of the moment and neither would McC being on our roster. If anything his presense would have reinforced our taking a shot at Kizer.
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- Neither web nor Kelly are burning up the league.
- nonsensical?
- Well, since Kelly has yet to step foot on a field in a game...
- Yes... as in lacks any sense. Hindsight does not change the circumstances of the moment and neither would McC being on our roster. If anything his presense would have reinforced our taking a shot at Kizer.
- Well, since Kelly has yet to step foot on a field in a game...
- Yes... as in lacks any sense. Hindsight does not change the circumstances of the moment and neither would McC being on our roster. If anything his presense would have reinforced our taking a shot at Kizer.
Just saying that's what I would have done.
And I have yet to hear you say that you have made the exact same moves as the team made last year, hindsight notwithstanding.
Would you?
And hindsight is just what got Sashi Brown a ticket back to the Steno pool.
WSS
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By the way I'd say not getting the opportunity to set foot on the field in quarterback troubled Denver is kind of like not seeing the world on fire.
WSS
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Terrific insight...
And I don't play hindsight games.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Terrific insight...
And I don't play hindsight games.
You play foresight games galore however.
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You play foresight games galore however.
Yes... they are fun. You should try to join in sometime.
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Terrific insight...
And I don't play hindsight games.
Don't know what you're so upset about. That was what I'd been preaching all along, it's not hindsight that's what I wanted to do in the first place. If you think I was wrong and you endorse every move they made then good for you. Hope you enjoyed the parade.
You're about as contrary as The Gipper.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Terrific insight...
And I don't play hindsight games.
Don't know what you're so upset about. That was what I'd been preaching all along, it's not hindsight that's what I wanted to do in the first place. If you think I was wrong and you endorse every move they made then good for you. Hope you enjoyed the parade.
You're about as contrary as The Gipper.
WSS
Don't know what you're so upset about. That was what I'd been preaching all along, it's not hindsight that's what I wanted to do in the first place. If you think I was wrong and you endorse every move they made then good for you. Hope you enjoyed the parade.
You're about as contrary as The Gipper.
WSS
Tell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever metTell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever met pal
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What about YSU alum Cliff Stout? He qualified for an NFL pension and got several rings without taking a snap, Bradshaw never wanted to come out of a game so Cliff wore a ball cap and carried a clip board.
My buddy a former All Ohio first team DE and BIG TEN player moved to Houston he was good friends with Cliff when they were playing the Oilers they'd go out drinking the night before the game because he knew he'd never play. We got some great inside information on betting the NFL and even some college games but that was 1970s "B.C."......before computers. Oh he wasn't really a bad QB.
I was talking guys who actually played a game or two...
I was talking guys who actually played a game or two...
Well I knew he played some so I looked it up. He played a little more than I thought but not really until 1983.
Clifford Lewis Stoudt (born March 27, 1955) is a former American football quarterback for Youngstown State University and the NFL's Pittsburgh Steelers. Drafted in the fifth round (121st overall) by the Steelers, Stoudt was the backup to Terry Bradshawfrom 1977–1982 before taking over as starter during Bradshaw's injury-plagued and final season in 1983.
Stoudt led the Steelers to a 9–2 start, but the team melted down late in the season. Steeler fans, accustomed to Bradshaw's late game heroics, turned viciously on Stoudt. The Steelers managed to win the AFC Central with a 10–6 record and stumbled into the playoffs, but were quickly dispatched by the Los Angeles Raiders.
After the 1983 season, Stoudt left Pittsburgh, signing with the Birmingham Stallions of the USFL. During the season opener on March 11, 1984 against the Pittsburgh Maulers at Three Rivers Stadium, Stoudt was heckled and pelted with snowballs by the fans. It would turn out to be the only sellout in the one season history of the Maulers.
After two seasons in the USFL in which he was in the top five in passing with such stars as Jim Kelly, Bobby Hebert, and Chuck Fusina, Stoudt returned to the NFL. He signed with the St. Louis Cardinals and stayed with them through the 1988 season when they moved to Phoenix. He spent his final NFL season with the Miami Dolphins, appearing in three games and never attempting a pass. He lives in Dublin, Ohio. His son, Cole, is a former quarterback at Clemson and currently the quarterbacks coach at Jacksonville State. Another son, Zack, played quarterback at Ole Miss.
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 66 20 9-11-0 359 684 52.5 4506 23 3.4 43 6.3 72 6.6 4.4 12.6 68.3 58.3 76 494 5.28 3.34 10.0 4 4 17 4 yrs PIT 30 16 9-7-0 244 479 50.9 3217 14 2.9 28 5.8 72 6.7 4.7 13.2 107.2 57.9 56 366 5.33 3.50 10.5 2 2 13 3 yrs PHO-STL 33 4 0-4-0 115 205 56.1 1289 9 4.4 15 7.3 52 6.3 3.9 11.2 39.1 59.2 20 128 5.16 2.96 8.9 2 2 4 1 yr MIA 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 1980 25 PIT qb 18 6 1 0-1-0 32 60 53.3 493 2 3.3 2 3.3 72 8.2 7.4 15.4 82.2 78.0 4 19 7.41 6.63 6.3 2 1981 26 PIT 18 2 0 1 3 33.3 17 0 0.0 0 0.0 17 5.7 5.7 17.0 8.5 53.5 0 0 5.67 5.67 0.0 0 1982 27 PIT 18 6 0 14 35 40.0 154 0 0.0 5 14.3 24 4.4 -2.0 11.0 25.7 14.2 1 8 4.06 -2.19 2.8 1 1983 28 PIT QB 18 16 15 9-6-0 197 381 51.7 2553 12 3.1 21 5.5 52 6.7 4.9 13.0 159.6 60.6 51 339 5.13 3.49 11.8 2 2 10 1986 31 STL qb 18 5 2 0-2-0 52 91 57.1 542 3 3.3 7 7.7 24 6.0 3.2 10.4 108.4 53.5 7 43 5.09 2.49 7.1 1 1 2 1987 32 STL 18 12 0 0 1 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 39.6 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.0 0 1988 33 PHO qb 18 16 2 0-2-0 63 113 55.8 747 6 5.3 8 7.1 52 6.6 4.5 11.9 46.7 64.3 13 85 5.25 3.35 10.3 1 1 2 1989 34 MIA 18 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 -
Don't know what you're so upset about. That was what I'd been preaching all along, it's not hindsight that's what I wanted to do in the first place. If you think I was wrong and you endorse every move they made then good for you. Hope you enjoyed the parade.
You're about as contrary as The Gipper.
WSS
Tell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever metTell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever met pal
Tell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever metTell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever met pal
Speech-to-text glitches?
WSS
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Tell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever metTell them the truth Powell I'm just about the sweetest soul you ever met pal
Speech-to-text glitches?
WSS
Speech-to-text glitches?
WSS
Yea, Powell....err Pal.
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Terrific insight...
And I don't play hindsight games.
Don't know what you're so upset about. That was what I'd been preaching all along, it's not hindsight that's what I wanted to do in the first place. If you think I was wrong and you endorse every move they made then good for you. Hope you enjoyed the parade.
You're about as contrary as The Gipper.
WSS
You're about as contrary as The Gipper.
You really know how to hurt a guy...
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