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  • @tour2ma said:

    Interesting tweet...

    Not sure about the media vs. league thing, but it does fit the ranking vs. mock differences discussion.

    Benjamin Allbright‏Verified account @AllbrightNFL

    I think RB Saquon Barkley isn't going to go as high as people think. No one I talked to had him top 7. That's not to say he isn't talented, but it appears media higher on him than league.

    8:30 AM - 28 Jan 2018

    I likeee his top mock. Question Tour, Fitzpatrick or Chubb @ #4? 

    @hoorta said:

    I likeee his top mock. Question Tour, Fitzpatrick or Chubb @ #4? 

    Not there yet, h... but right now I lean Fitz or trade down.

    @gumby73 said:

    Am still really confused on why Alex would still follow Dorsey to Browns? Money won't talk loud for Alex like Cousins this season, but as Pats & Jimmy G...KC's trade partner will..

    Because trade is the route to securing Alex's services.

    If he wants to play, he'd have no say...

    Rumble, young man, rumble!

  • @hoorta said:

    LOL, maybe we ought to take a look at that dude from Northwestern instead....   

    Jackson averaged 4.6 yards per carry in 2017 for 1,311 yards with 11 touchdowns. He had 44 catches for 276 yards as well. The senior didn't play as well in the early portion of the year and looked banged up. Additionally, Northwestern's offensive line was terrible and struggled to open holes. The Wildcats also lacked receivers who could keep teams from stacking the box. 
    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php#0VpbXMiv2O2RFt78.99

    Maybe someone to look at in the late rounds.  Though....what would he give us that Dayes does not?  Perhaps that ability to catch?

    @the-gipper said:

    Maybe someone to look at in the late rounds.  Though....what would he give us that Dayes does not?  Perhaps that ability to catch?

    Just giving Po a hard time Gip- he'd be a fine 4th round addition for depth...  

    I'm really OK with Barkley, just not @ #1 overall.  I didn't think he could top his love for Richardson- I was wrong....   

  • @the-gipper said:

    Actually....some of the greatest RBs of all time were taken #1 overall....if you count the likes of OJ Simpson,  Earl Campbell....maybe even Bo Jackson...for a short spurt before injury.

    and these other RBs were taken #1 overall...and are Hall of famers:   Bill Dudley, Charlie Trippi, Paul Hornung.

    It is actually not a bad ratio.    Of 19 RBs taken #1....5 are in HOF.   That is 20.8%

    It is actually  a much better ratio than QBs.    There have been 34 QBs taken with the #1 pick....and only 4 of them so far are in the HOF...and this includes Joe Namath being taken #1 overall of the AFL draft.  (Namath, Bradshaw, Elway, Aikman)  At least one other is certain to make it when eligible:  Peyton.   And one  or two other borderline perhaps:   Eli, and Palmer (though I do not think Palmer gets there)

    Taking Peyton as a given...that makes 5 QBs...or 14.7%  who have or certainly will make the HOF.

    In HOF? As usual, you're great at ancient history. In the last 30 or so years, Bo Jackson and Ki Jana Carter. Ah, the "what if" IF they hadn't been injured. Well they were.

    OK, let's make that "some of" Gip. Upper echelon HOF. Only Simpson qualifies by that standard. Mainly because of the 2,000 yard season. Only topped 1,000 yards five times. Tank Earl Campbell ditto, before he crippled himself running defenders over. Bo don't count, three seasons where he never topped 1,000 yards? Bo did have one unforgettable moment when he ran over Brian Bosworth.

    @hoorta said:

     Bo don't count, three seasons where he never topped 1,000 yards?

    Never played until MLB's season was over...

    Appeared in 7, 10 and 11 games in those three, pre-injury seasons.

    Split carries with Marcus Allen...

    Oh yeah...

    Bo counts...

  • @hoorta said:

     Bo don't count, three seasons where he never topped 1,000 yards?

    Never played until MLB's season was over...

    Appeared in 7, 10 and 11 games in those three, pre-injury seasons.

    Split carries with Marcus Allen...

    Oh yeah...

    Bo counts...

    @tour2ma said:

    Never played until MLB's season was over...

    Appeared in 7, 10 and 11 games in those three, pre-injury seasons.

    Split carries with Marcus Allen...

    Oh yeah...

    Bo counts...

    Forgot about that Tour. Talk about a fluke injury, and plain bad luck. One of our Sports Med Docs was at a conference, and I got the full lowdown exactly what happened to Bo. Real world, a fracture like that heals normally 99 out of 100 times...    

  • @tour2ma said:

    Never played until MLB's season was over...

    Appeared in 7, 10 and 11 games in those three, pre-injury seasons.

    Split carries with Marcus Allen...

    Oh yeah...

    Bo counts...

    Forgot about that Tour. Talk about a fluke injury, and plain bad luck. One of our Sports Med Docs was at a conference, and I got the full lowdown exactly what happened to Bo. Real world, a fracture like that heals normally 99 out of 100 times...    

    @hoorta said:

    Forgot about that Tour. Talk about a fluke injury, and plain bad luck. One of our Sports Med Docs was at a conference, and I got the full lowdown exactly what happened to Bo. Real world, a fracture like that heals normally 99 out of 100 times...    

    My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas... 😉

    Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

    Was that reflected in what you heard?

  • @hoorta said:

    Forgot about that Tour. Talk about a fluke injury, and plain bad luck. One of our Sports Med Docs was at a conference, and I got the full lowdown exactly what happened to Bo. Real world, a fracture like that heals normally 99 out of 100 times...    

    My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas... 😉

    Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

    Was that reflected in what you heard?

    @tour2ma said:

    My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas... 😉

    Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

    Was that reflected in what you heard?

    Dude gets his hip replaced and comes back and still hits home runs.    Freakish athlete.

    Saw him at old Municipal stadium playing for the Royals against the Indians.   He put on a show that night.

  • @hoorta said:

    LOL, maybe we ought to take a look at that dude from Northwestern instead....   

    Jackson averaged 4.6 yards per carry in 2017 for 1,311 yards with 11 touchdowns. He had 44 catches for 276 yards as well. The senior didn't play as well in the early portion of the year and looked banged up. Additionally, Northwestern's offensive line was terrible and struggled to open holes. The Wildcats also lacked receivers who could keep teams from stacking the box. 
    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php#0VpbXMiv2O2RFt78.99

    Maybe someone to look at in the late rounds.  Though....what would he give us that Dayes does not?  Perhaps that ability to catch?

    @the-gipper said:

    Maybe someone to look at in the late rounds.  Though....what would he give us that Dayes does not?  Perhaps that ability to catch?

    I still don't understand why Dayes got zero carries during the season. He looked best in preseason, he looked best on KR, he couldn't have looked any worse than Crowell did for about 90% of his carries. 

    I would also prefer a back around 220lbs instead of 190-200. If they're taking a small back, Bryce Love is the best I've seen. You can pretty much watch film from any game this season and be impressed. He was averaging 10 ypc for about 3/4 of the season. 

    Another big Ten guy who looked really tough for a smaller back, was Akrum Wadley (Iowa)

  • And Bo Jackson was the man. Period. once in a lifetime athlete. 

    If he had focused just on football, imagine how much more dominant he'd have been. The crazy thing was he never lifted weights either. I knew a guy at my college like him, granted it was NAIA, but dude was built like a bodybuilder... was the best baseball player, best football player (also a RB) and said coaches let him slide on lifting because he played two sports and his production was the best. 

    I could take all the steroids in the world for a decade and train with top strength coaches and still never be as strong or as fast as Bo. Genetics are a bitch

  • @hoorta said:

    Forgot about that Tour. Talk about a fluke injury, and plain bad luck. One of our Sports Med Docs was at a conference, and I got the full lowdown exactly what happened to Bo. Real world, a fracture like that heals normally 99 out of 100 times...    

    My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas... 😉

    Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

    Was that reflected in what you heard?

    @tour2ma said:

    My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas... 😉

    Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

    Was that reflected in what you heard?

    Well since that much was public knowledge- it was more than that. There was also a femur neck fracture. That pinched artery resulted in bone necrosis (in layman's terms rotting) of the femur head- the part of the bone that connects with your hip socket. I wasn't aware there was a temporary dislocation on top of it. Current medical practice, they would have done an arteriogram and discovered the problem before it was too late to do anything about it.   🙁

  • @the-gipper said:

    Maybe someone to look at in the late rounds.  Though....what would he give us that Dayes does not?  Perhaps that ability to catch?

    I still don't understand why Dayes got zero carries during the season. He looked best in preseason, he looked best on KR, he couldn't have looked any worse than Crowell did for about 90% of his carries. 

    I would also prefer a back around 220lbs instead of 190-200. If they're taking a small back, Bryce Love is the best I've seen. You can pretty much watch film from any game this season and be impressed. He was averaging 10 ypc for about 3/4 of the season. 

    Another big Ten guy who looked really tough for a smaller back, was Akrum Wadley (Iowa)

    @sd_tom said:

    I still don't understand why Dayes got zero carries during the season. He looked best in preseason, he looked best on KR, he couldn't have looked any worse than Crowell did for about 90% of his carries. 

    I would also prefer a back around 220lbs instead of 190-200. If they're taking a small back, Bryce Love is the best I've seen. You can pretty much watch film from any game this season and be impressed. He was averaging 10 ypc for about 3/4 of the season. 

    Another big Ten guy who looked really tough for a smaller back, was Akrum Wadley (Iowa)

    Bad coaching...that's why.

  • And Bo Jackson was the man. Period. once in a lifetime athlete. 

    If he had focused just on football, imagine how much more dominant he'd have been. The crazy thing was he never lifted weights either. I knew a guy at my college like him, granted it was NAIA, but dude was built like a bodybuilder... was the best baseball player, best football player (also a RB) and said coaches let him slide on lifting because he played two sports and his production was the best. 

    I could take all the steroids in the world for a decade and train with top strength coaches and still never be as strong or as fast as Bo. Genetics are a bitch

    @sd_tom said:

    And Bo Jackson was the man. Period. once in a lifetime athlete. 

    If he had focused just on football, imagine how much more dominant he'd have been. The crazy thing was he never lifted weights either. I knew a guy at my college like him, granted it was NAIA, but dude was built like a bodybuilder... was the best baseball player, best football player (also a RB) and said coaches let him slide on lifting because he played two sports and his production was the best. 

    I could take all the steroids in the world for a decade and train with top strength coaches and still never be as strong or as fast as Bo. Genetics are a bitch

    Herschel Walker didn't lift weights either.   His body was sculpted by pure calestenics.     Pushups, situp, pullups etc. 

    I also wondered how good he could have been had he not gone to play in the USFL.

    Even so...his NFL stats were pretty good:

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    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       187 137 1954 8225 61 91 4.2 44.0 10.4 296 512 4859 9.5 21 93 2.7 26.0   13084 82 41 98
    6 yrs DAL     81 48 818 3491 27 84 4.3 43.1 10.1 33 232 2556 11.0 8 84 2.9 31.6   6047 35 17 42
    3 yrs MIN     42 40 551 2264 20 71 4.1 53.9 13.1   86 681 7.9 5 32 2.0 16.2   2945 25 11 23
    3 yrs PHI     48 46 554 2344 14 91 4.2 48.8 11.5 219 163 1388 8.5 7 93 3.4 28.9   3732 21 13 30
    1 yr NYG     16 3 31 126 0 36 4.1 7.9 1.9 44 31 234 7.5 1 34 1.9 14.6   360 1 0 3
    1986 24 DAL rb 34 16 9 151 737 12 84 4.9 46.1 9.4   76 837 11.0 2 84 4.8 52.3 0.0% 1574 14 5 12
    1987* 25 DAL RB 34 12 11 209 891 7 60 4.3 74.3 17.4   60 715 11.9 1 44 5.0 59.6 0.0% 1606 8 4 13
    1988* 26 DAL RB 34 16 16 361 1514 5 38 4.2 94.6 22.6   53 505 9.5 2 50 3.3 31.6 0.0% 2019 7 6 12
    1989 27 2TM     16 14 250 915 7 47 3.7 57.2 15.6   40 423 10.6 2 52 2.5 26.4 0.0% 1338 9 7 10
        DAL rb 34 5 5 81 246 2 20 3.0 49.2 16.2   22 261 11.9 1 52 4.4 52.2 0.0% 507 3 2 3
        MIN RB 34 11 9 169 669 5 47 4.0 60.8 15.4   18 162 9.0 1 24 1.6 14.7 0.0% 831 6 5 7
    1990 28 MIN KR/RB 34 16 16 184 770 5 58 4.2 48.1 11.5   35 315 9.0 4 32 2.2 19.7 0.0% 1085 9 4 8
    1991 29 MIN RB 34 15 15 198 825 10 71 4.2 55.0 13.2   33 204 6.2 0 19 2.2 13.6 0.0% 1029 10 2 8
    1992 30 PHI RB 34 16 16 267 1070 8 38 4.0 66.9 16.7 47 38 278 7.3 2 41 2.4 17.4 80.9% 1348 10 6 12
    1993 31 PHI RB 34 16 16 174 746 1 35 4.3 46.6 10.9 91 75 610 8.1 3 55 4.7 38.1 82.4% 1356 4 3 10
    1994 32 PHI KR/RB 34 16 14 113 528 5 91 4.7 33.0 7.1 81 50 500 10.0 2 93 3.1 31.3 61.7% 1028 7 4 8
    1995 33 NYG KR 34 16 3 31 126 0 36 4.1 7.9 1.9 44 31 234 7.5 1 34 1.9 14.6 70.5% 360 1 0 3
    1996 34 DAL KR 34 16 1 10 83 1 39 8.3 5.2 0.6 10 7 89 12.7 0 24 0.4 5.6 70.0% 172 1 0 1
    1997 35 DAL fb/KR 34 16 6 6 20 0 11 3.3 1.3 0.4 23 14 149 10.6 2 64 0.9 9.3 60.9% 169 2 0 1
    5 playoff games - full playoff gamelogs
  • In just 3 years, Walker had over 5500 of rushing yards in the USFL:

    CAREER RUSHING STATISTICS
    Season League Team Age GP Att Yards TD % A/G Y/G LNG
     1980  NCAA  Georgia Bulldogs  18  11  274  1616  15  5.9  24.9  146.9  76
     1981  NCAA  Georgia Bulldogs  19  11  385  1891  18  4.9  35.0  171.9  32
     1982  NCAA  Georgia Bulldogs  20  11  355  1752  16  4.9  32.3  159.3  59
     1983  USFL  New Jersey Generals  21  18  412  1812  17  4.4  22.9  100.7  
     1984  USFL  New Jersey Generals  22  18  293  1339  16  4.6  16.3  74.4  0
     1985  USFL  New Jersey Generals  23  18  438  2411  21  5.5  24.3  133.9  0
     1986  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  24  16  151  737  12  4.9  9.4  46.1  
     1987  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  25  12  209  891  7  4.3  17.4  74.3  
     1988  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  26  16  361  1514  5  4.2  22.6  94.6  
     1989  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  27  5  81  246  2  3.0  16.2  49.2  
     1989  NFL  Minnesota Vikings  27  11  169  669  5  4.0  15.4  60.8  
     1990  NFL  Minnesota Vikings  28  16  184  770  5  4.2  11.5  48.1  
     1991  NFL  Minnesota Vikings  29  15  198  825  10  4.2  13.2  55.0  
     1992  NFL  Philadelphia Eagles  30  16  267  1070  8  4.0  16.7  66.9  
     1993  NFL  Philadelphia Eagles  31  16  174  746  1  4.3  10.9  46.6  
     1994  NFL  Philadelphia Eagles  32  16  113  528  5  4.7  7.1  33.0  
     1995  NFL  New York Giants  33  16  31  126  0  4.1  1.9  7.9  
     1996  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  34  16  10  83  1  8.3  0.6  5.2  
     1997  NFL  Dallas Cowboys  35  16  6  20  0  3.3  0.4  1.3  
     Totals  NCAA   Totals     33  1014   5259   49   5.2   30.7   159.4   
       DAL      81  818  3491  27  4.3  10.1  43.1  
       MIN      42  551  2264  20  4.1  13.1  53.9  
       NYG      16  31  126  0  4.1  1.9  7.9  
       PHI      48  554  2344  14  4.2  11.5  48.8  
        NFL   Totals     187  1954   8225   61   4.2   10.4   44.0    
       USFL   Totals     54  1143   5562   54   4.9   21.2   103.0   
  • With his combined  13787 rushing yards...only  Emmit Smith, Sander, Payton,  Curtis Martin and Frank Gore have had more career rushing yards than  Herschel Walker.

  • @sd_tom said:

    And Bo Jackson was the man. Period. once in a lifetime athlete. 

    If he had focused just on football, imagine how much more dominant he'd have been. The crazy thing was he never lifted weights either. I knew a guy at my college like him, granted it was NAIA, but dude was built like a bodybuilder... was the best baseball player, best football player (also a RB) and said coaches let him slide on lifting because he played two sports and his production was the best. 

    I could take all the steroids in the world for a decade and train with top strength coaches and still never be as strong or as fast as Bo. Genetics are a bitch

    Herschel Walker didn't lift weights either.   His body was sculpted by pure calestenics.     Pushups, situp, pullups etc. 

    I also wondered how good he could have been had he not gone to play in the USFL.

    Even so...his NFL stats were pretty good:

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    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       187 137 1954 8225 61 91 4.2 44.0 10.4 296 512 4859 9.5 21 93 2.7 26.0   13084 82 41 98
    6 yrs DAL     81 48 818 3491 27 84 4.3 43.1 10.1 33 232 2556 11.0 8 84 2.9 31.6   6047 35 17 42
    3 yrs MIN     42 40 551 2264 20 71 4.1 53.9 13.1   86 681 7.9 5 32 2.0 16.2   2945 25 11 23
    3 yrs PHI     48 46 554 2344 14 91 4.2 48.8 11.5 219 163 1388 8.5 7 93 3.4 28.9   3732 21 13 30
    1 yr NYG     16 3 31 126 0 36 4.1 7.9 1.9 44 31 234 7.5 1 34 1.9 14.6   360 1 0 3
    1986 24 DAL rb 34 16 9 151 737 12 84 4.9 46.1 9.4   76 837 11.0 2 84 4.8 52.3 0.0% 1574 14 5 12
    1987* 25 DAL RB 34 12 11 209 891 7 60 4.3 74.3 17.4   60 715 11.9 1 44 5.0 59.6 0.0% 1606 8 4 13
    1988* 26 DAL RB 34 16 16 361 1514 5 38 4.2 94.6 22.6   53 505 9.5 2 50 3.3 31.6 0.0% 2019 7 6 12
    1989 27 2TM     16 14 250 915 7 47 3.7 57.2 15.6   40 423 10.6 2 52 2.5 26.4 0.0% 1338 9 7 10
        DAL rb 34 5 5 81 246 2 20 3.0 49.2 16.2   22 261 11.9 1 52 4.4 52.2 0.0% 507 3 2 3
        MIN RB 34 11 9 169 669 5 47 4.0 60.8 15.4   18 162 9.0 1 24 1.6 14.7 0.0% 831 6 5 7
    1990 28 MIN KR/RB 34 16 16 184 770 5 58 4.2 48.1 11.5   35 315 9.0 4 32 2.2 19.7 0.0% 1085 9 4 8
    1991 29 MIN RB 34 15 15 198 825 10 71 4.2 55.0 13.2   33 204 6.2 0 19 2.2 13.6 0.0% 1029 10 2 8
    1992 30 PHI RB 34 16 16 267 1070 8 38 4.0 66.9 16.7 47 38 278 7.3 2 41 2.4 17.4 80.9% 1348 10 6 12
    1993 31 PHI RB 34 16 16 174 746 1 35 4.3 46.6 10.9 91 75 610 8.1 3 55 4.7 38.1 82.4% 1356 4 3 10
    1994 32 PHI KR/RB 34 16 14 113 528 5 91 4.7 33.0 7.1 81 50 500 10.0 2 93 3.1 31.3 61.7% 1028 7 4 8
    1995 33 NYG KR 34 16 3 31 126 0 36 4.1 7.9 1.9 44 31 234 7.5 1 34 1.9 14.6 70.5% 360 1 0 3
    1996 34 DAL KR 34 16 1 10 83 1 39 8.3 5.2 0.6 10 7 89 12.7 0 24 0.4 5.6 70.0% 172 1 0 1
    1997 35 DAL fb/KR 34 16 6 6 20 0 11 3.3 1.3 0.4 23 14 149 10.6 2 64 0.9 9.3 60.9% 169 2 0 1
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    @the-gipper said:

    Herschel Walker didn't lift weights either.   His body was sculpted by pure calestenics.     Pushups, situp, pullups etc. 

    I also wondered how good he could have been had he not gone to play in the USFL.

    Even so...his NFL stats were pretty good:

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    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV
    Career       187 137 1954 8225 61 91 4.2 44.0 10.4 296 512 4859 9.5 21 93 2.7 26.0   13084 82 41 98
    6 yrs DAL     81 48 818 3491 27 84 4.3 43.1 10.1 33 232 2556 11.0 8 84 2.9 31.6   6047 35 17 42
    3 yrs MIN     42 40 551 2264 20 71 4.1 53.9 13.1   86 681 7.9 5 32 2.0 16.2   2945 25 11 23
    3 yrs PHI     48 46 554 2344 14 91 4.2 48.8 11.5 219 163 1388 8.5 7 93 3.4 28.9   3732 21 13 30
    1 yr NYG     16 3 31 126 0 36 4.1 7.9 1.9 44 31 234 7.5 1 34 1.9 14.6   360 1 0 3
    1986 24 DAL rb 34 16 9 151 737 12 84 4.9 46.1 9.4   76 837 11.0 2 84 4.8 52.3 0.0% 1574 14 5 12
    1987* 25 DAL RB 34 12 11 209 891 7 60 4.3 74.3 17.4   60 715 11.9 1 44 5.0 59.6 0.0% 1606 8 4 13
    1988* 26 DAL RB 34 16 16 361 1514 5 38 4.2 94.6 22.6   53 505 9.5 2 50 3.3 31.6 0.0% 2019 7 6 12
    1989 27 2TM     16 14 250 915 7 47 3.7 57.2 15.6   40 423 10.6 2 52 2.5 26.4 0.0% 1338 9 7 10
        DAL rb 34 5 5 81 246 2 20 3.0 49.2 16.2   22 261 11.9 1 52 4.4 52.2 0.0% 507 3 2 3
        MIN RB 34 11 9 169 669 5 47 4.0 60.8 15.4   18 162 9.0 1 24 1.6 14.7 0.0% 831 6 5 7
    1990 28 MIN KR/RB 34 16 16 184 770 5 58 4.2 48.1 11.5   35 315 9.0 4 32 2.2 19.7 0.0% 1085 9 4 8
    1991 29 MIN RB 34 15 15 198 825 10 71 4.2 55.0 13.2   33 204 6.2 0 19 2.2 13.6 0.0% 1029 10 2 8
    1992 30 PHI RB 34 16 16 267 1070 8 38 4.0 66.9 16.7 47 38 278 7.3 2 41 2.4 17.4 80.9% 1348 10 6 12
    1993 31 PHI RB 34 16 16 174 746 1 35 4.3 46.6 10.9 91 75 610 8.1 3 55 4.7 38.1 82.4% 1356 4 3 10
    1994 32 PHI KR/RB 34 16 14 113 528 5 91 4.7 33.0 7.1 81 50 500 10.0 2 93 3.1 31.3 61.7% 1028 7 4 8
    1995 33 NYG KR 34 16 3 31 126 0 36 4.1 7.9 1.9 44 31 234 7.5 1 34 1.9 14.6 70.5% 360 1 0 3
    1996 34 DAL KR 34 16 1 10 83 1 39 8.3 5.2 0.6 10 7 89 12.7 0 24 0.4 5.6 70.0% 172 1 0 1
    1997 35 DAL fb/KR 34 16 6 6 20 0 11 3.3 1.3 0.4 23 14 149 10.6 2 64 0.9 9.3 60.9% 169 2 0 1
    5 playoff games - full playoff gamelogs

    Walker is another freak. Have you seen his MMA fights? Incredible. Supposedly he eats almost nothing except a salad all day, and does a ton of pushups as a warm up. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    My name is Tour and I'm here to help... and split peas... 😉

    Biggest contributor I heard (in ESPN's documentary, You Don't Know Bo) was that when Bo's hip pulled out of it's socket, it trapped a major artery when it popped right back into the socket. This went undetected and the reduced blood flow actually caused his hip to "die". IIRC the pinched artery was "found" when they did his hip replacement.

    Was that reflected in what you heard?

    Dude gets his hip replaced and comes back and still hits home runs.    Freakish athlete.

    Saw him at old Municipal stadium playing for the Royals against the Indians.   He put on a show that night.

    @mark-o said:

    Dude gets his hip replaced and comes back and still hits home runs.    Freakish athlete.

    Saw him at old Municipal stadium playing for the Royals against the Indians.   He put on a show that night.

    So did I, in fact in the game I saw him play we were sitting out in the lower left field stands. He strikes out the first three times vs Swindell, and this guy behind me is just riding Bo all game long. At one point, Bo turns around and stares in our general direction. My friend and I are about 13 or so, and damn near piss our pants because we thought Bo thought it was us giving him Sheet and that he was going to jump the outfield fence and beat our asses. 😆 Fourth time up to bat he hits a homer.

  • @hoorta said:

    I likeee his top mock. Question Tour, Fitzpatrick or Chubb @ #4? 

    Not there yet, h... but right now I lean Fitz or trade down.

    @gumby73 said:

    Am still really confused on why Alex would still follow Dorsey to Browns? Money won't talk loud for Alex like Cousins this season, but as Pats & Jimmy G...KC's trade partner will..

    Because trade is the route to securing Alex's services.

    If he wants to play, he'd have no say...

    Rumble, young man, rumble!

    @tour2ma said:

    Because trade is the route to securing Alex's services.

    If he wants to play, he'd have no say...

    Rumble, young man, rumble!

    rumble or restructure a year to stay a Chiefs back-up😕. listening to Andy & Alex from yesterday I'd say he's gone. It will cost a 3rd(he's 34) but KC sits like 22 in 2nd round with no 1st..I'd guess it would properly also cost a swapping team trade in 2nd round to fall to KC's pick at lucky #22🥷.(#54)why trade him in conference? that would be like 7 teams, to Browns, it would be like Santa Reid giving Alex a jail sentence (ha/Ho)  if Cousin or Eli goes? but that leaves the other Team in Red..the Alex sweepstakes winner is  Arizona Cardinals.. maybe..for January that's my guess..Boooooo! ...(ok Barkley I'll get out of your way) 

  • @cdl15 said:

    If they draft these two guys and land an Alex Smith type I would Shmucking backflips.

    Won’t matter if Hue is coaching. They will go 0-16 again 

    @browns149 said:

    Won’t matter if Hue is coaching. They will go 0-16 again 

    BINGO

  • There was some question about Voch Lombardi's comments on Barkley's blocking. 

    I decided to rewatch the videos and actually listen more closely... I did say videos, because one was a quick look and the other was a fuller draft analysis. 

    Here, I'll let you listen for yourselves. 

    This upper one is from last off season. 

    IMO- Barkley became much better and more consistent as a blocker last season. 

    Rushing - A++

    Receiving A

    Returning A

    Pass Blocking B+

    Passing A- lol, Come on he was like 2 for 2 and a TD or something 😛

  • @poeticg said:

    We did have that until we decided to take Barkley #1. Now it's a normal draft and we are #3 overall. 

    3 of the top 5 will be waiting for us at 3. 

    The draft is very hard to predict.

    But the Browns are not taking Barkley #1.

    @dutch-oven said:

    The draft is very hard to predict.

    But the Browns are not taking Barkley #1.

    Not hard to predict if you are predicting the Browns. They always throw their 1st round picks away.

    They won't take Barkley at #1, but they'll take a homosexual Cowboy fan at #1? LMAO@ The Browns.

    Barkley is THE pick of the draft. If the Browns are stupid enough to pass om him at #1, they won't get a chance at #4

  • @dutch-oven said:

    The draft is very hard to predict.

    But the Browns are not taking Barkley #1.

    Not hard to predict if you are predicting the Browns. They always throw their 1st round picks away.

    They won't take Barkley at #1, but they'll take a homosexual Cowboy fan at #1? LMAO@ The Browns.

    Barkley is THE pick of the draft. If the Browns are stupid enough to pass om him at #1, they won't get a chance at #4

    @ghoolie said:

    Not hard to predict if you are predicting the Browns. They always throw their 1st round picks away.

    They won't take Barkley at #1, but they'll take a homosexual Cowboy fan at #1? LMAO@ The Browns.

    Barkley is THE pick of the draft. If the Browns are stupid enough to pass om him at #1, they won't get a chance at #4

    that's Ok running backs are dime a dozen. or you missed out on this thread? Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, and Ladanian Tomlinson weren't drafted #1 overall. Damn the Browns really missed out there...   Trent Richardson got drafted #3 overall, and blown out knee Ki Jana Carter #1. wow- I'm so not excited to take a guy at a position that hasn't been drafted #1  overall in the past 20 years.