Chiefs Trade Alex Smith to the Skins
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I was listening to Cousins's interview on Jim Rome today when he said his top priority is winning and getting to the Super Bowl... sure didn't sound like he would even consider the Browns...
Seriously, what 'valued' veteran QB in their right mind would WANT to come to the Browns? We're 1-31....and we KEPT the coach that got us there.
We really have only the draft option.......and/or a Josh McCown type.
Let's hear it for our new GM!!!
We really have only the draft option.......and/or a Josh McCown type.
If Cousins goes to the Jets, then we could just see the return of McC...
I'm not going to dispute that the Browns offered "more" but was it really better? From our (KC) point of view, what we got was a 3rd and something better than a 1st wich is a CB that we need...
One last thought. Given the skins are at 13 in round 1 so they are on the outside looking in at this QB class, but it points to the fact the Redskins have seen enough to think they aren't interested participating in trying to get one of those guys up top. Just a thought.
Add that WSH was burned badly not too long ago moving up to take a QB.
Agree that in the end WSH put together a better package than we were obviously willing to do.
4 years and something like 70 million guraranteed. That took the Browns out as they were just wanting a bridge guy...not a hugely paid long term guy.
Took us "out"? Do you think KC gave Smith a say in which deal they'd accept?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
February 15th...That's the date all Browns fans need to keep in the back of their mind. The reason? This is AJ McCarron's hearing on whether he will be a restricted FA or an Unrestricted FA. I'm guessing he will lose his battle just because of the politics involved, but if he doesn't and does become an unrestricted FA, I think the Browns would much rather have him than Cousins. In fact, it would not surprise me if the browns go back to cincy if he is a RFA and try to make the trade again. For me, it's just a cost thing. I don't think you are giving McCarron $71 million guaranteed like Smith just got and that's the starting point for Cousins. When Dorsey made the original deal for Smith and then signed him to an extension, it was a fairly reasonable contract. I think you would see the same thing if they go after McCarron. $30 million guaranteed over 3 years? that's a lot for a back-up qb, but if you take a first round qb that gives you options if he falters in the back-end.
Problem is, as a RFA- the Bengals will tender him. How high is anyone's guess. It's not going to be about money in AJ's case as it relates to the Browns, it's going to be about the draft pick. You have to surrender YOUR pick in a given round. Second or first round tender? I would hope Dorsey doesn't think McCarron is worth our #33 on a second round tender, and for sure, he's not worth the #1 overall on a first.
That scenario we wait out the Bengals for a year, and hate to say it our option looks like Glassman Bradford, cross our fingers, put him in bubble wrap, and hope he doesn't hurt himself sneezing.
I don't see Cousins wanting anything to do with the Browns.
Problem is, as a RFA- the Bengals will tender him. How high is anyone's guess. It's not going to be about money in AJ's case as it relates to the Browns, it's going to be about the draft pick. You have to surrender YOUR pick in a given round. Second or first round tender? I would hope Dorsey doesn't think McCarron is worth our #33 on a second round tender, and for sure, he's not worth the #1 overall on a first.
That scenario we wait out the Bengals for a year, and hate to say it our option looks like Glassman Bradford, cross our fingers, put him in bubble wrap, and hope he doesn't hurt himself sneezing.
I don't see Cousins wanting anything to do with the Browns.
Unless they REALLY like AJ, I'd be baffled if he got more than a 2nd round tender. 1st round tender would come with a nearly 4 mil price tag if no one offered, and I would be more baffled if someone threw a 1st at him (even the browns).
2nd round though? Maybe.
If Kirk is money first he will come here or the Jets. Denver could probably get close to 30 mil a year, but it'd be really hard for anyone else to get close. I'll give the dude credit, he gambled and won. That dude is gonna get PAID.
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I think Kirk is after a ring, highly unlikely he'll come to the Browns unless they drastically overpay him and I don't think DePo will let that happen. AJ McCarron is more realistic given how Hue and Haslam were chatting him up after the Bengals game and the botched trade deal where they actually tried to get him here. have to see what the results of the hearing are. I wouldn't mind keeping things as Kizer, rookie + let Hogan and Kessler battle it out for QB3 but don't see it happening, Hue has mentioned getting a vet QB multiple times now and I think he has his sights set on AJ. let's hope they don't have to use any draft picks to get him.
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I'm doing a big no-no here and posting without reading the previous statements, but I just had reconstructive ACL and MCL surgery, so I'm fading in and out of consciousness. First let me say that in extremely disappointed...no, WOEFULLY disappointed. I really thought we'd throw some big time resources at the Chiefs and get this deal done whether he wanted it or not. I was willing to part with a 2nd rounder and then sign Alex to a large 4 year deal. Heck, I would've tossed in another 5th rounder if necessary. I felt like this move made sense and I had it in my heart that we'd be a competitive team next year. Not saying playoffs (PLAYOFFS?! PLAYOFFS!), but a scrappy, young team who could win games and develop talent while providing an enjoyable product. That's what I so desperately wanted.
Alas, we didn't have to wait long to get let down, so thank goodness for small miracles. Instead, now we're back to fighting other teams for the ONE impending free agent QB that everyone knows we have absolutely no chance of signing. Kirk Cousins doesn't need the money. He's made almost $50 million the past two years, and there are 5 or 6 other teams with PLENTY of cap space needed to make Kirk a stupidly rich man (sorry...RICHER man). He won't come to Cleveland, and nobody can blame him. This was our best chance in a very long time to get a proven, veteran QB in Alex Smith, and we just couldn't find a way. Sound familiar? Just ask Jimmy Garoppolo how happy HE is since he got to avoid the athletic cesspool known as the Browns.
Now we're back to the drawing board. Back to scouting several young men and trying to see who could possibly have what it takes to help such an impossibly horrid franchise. We have a coach with probably the shortest leash in the league, and we somehow have to find a way to get better, all the while starting yet another 21 year old (or 22) who will be thrust into the starting role of the worst team in NFL history. How do I like my team's chances? Not very much.
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Let's hear it for our new GM!!!
We really have only the draft option.......and/or a Josh McCown type.
If Cousins goes to the Jets, then we could just see the return of McC...
I'm not going to dispute that the Browns offered "more" but was it really better? From our (KC) point of view, what we got was a 3rd and something better than a 1st wich is a CB that we need...
One last thought. Given the skins are at 13 in round 1 so they are on the outside looking in at this QB class, but it points to the fact the Redskins have seen enough to think they aren't interested participating in trying to get one of those guys up top. Just a thought.
Add that WSH was burned badly not too long ago moving up to take a QB.
Agree that in the end WSH put together a better package than we were obviously willing to do.
4 years and something like 70 million guraranteed. That took the Browns out as they were just wanting a bridge guy...not a hugely paid long term guy.
Took us "out"? Do you think KC gave Smith a say in which deal they'd accept?
Let's hear it for our new GM!!!
1) If Cousins goes to the Jets, then we could just see the return of McC...
2) Add that WSH was burned badly not too long ago moving up to take a QB.
3) Agree that in the end WSH put together a better package than we were obviously willing to do.
4) Took us "out"? Do you think KC gave Smith a say in which deal they'd accept?
1) I'd be for it.
2) From our recent Redskins visitors, I take it they certainly don't have a high opinion of their FO.
3) The second round we have from the Eagles and Peppers? The long term contract was probably the deal breaker...
4) No.
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I'm doing a big no-no here and posting without reading the previous statements, but I just had reconstructive ACL and MCL surgery, so I'm fading in and out of consciousness. First let me say that in extremely disappointed...no, WOEFULLY disappointed. I really thought we'd throw some big time resources at the Chiefs and get this deal done whether he wanted it or not. I was willing to part with a 2nd rounder and then sign Alex to a large 4 year deal. Heck, I would've tossed in another 5th rounder if necessary. I felt like this move made sense and I had it in my heart that we'd be a competitive team next year. Not saying playoffs (PLAYOFFS?! PLAYOFFS!), but a scrappy, young team who could win games and develop talent while providing an enjoyable product. That's what I so desperately wanted.
Alas, we didn't have to wait long to get let down, so thank goodness for small miracles. Instead, now we're back to fighting other teams for the ONE impending free agent QB that everyone knows we have absolutely no chance of signing. Kirk Cousins doesn't need the money. He's made almost $50 million the past two years, and there are 5 or 6 other teams with PLENTY of cap space needed to make Kirk a stupidly rich man (sorry...RICHER man). He won't come to Cleveland, and nobody can blame him. This was our best chance in a very long time to get a proven, veteran QB in Alex Smith, and we just couldn't find a way. Sound familiar? Just ask Jimmy Garoppolo how happy HE is since he got to avoid the athletic cesspool known as the Browns.
Now we're back to the drawing board. Back to scouting several young men and trying to see who could possibly have what it takes to help such an impossibly horrid franchise. We have a coach with probably the shortest leash in the league, and we somehow have to find a way to get better, all the while starting yet another 21 year old (or 22) who will be thrust into the starting role of the worst team in NFL history. How do I like my team's chances? Not very much.
Sound familiar? Just ask Jimmy Garoppolo how happy HE is since he got to avoid the athletic cesspool known as the Browns.
Yup... I half expect word to leak out that the KC brass simply couldn't bring themselves to deal Smith to the Browns.
In the alternative there's the possibility that they did not want to do business with the GM they ran out of town.
Or bit of both...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think Kirk is after a ring, highly unlikely he'll come to the Browns unless they drastically overpay him and I don't think DePo will let that happen. AJ McCarron is more realistic given how Hue and Haslam were chatting him up after the Bengals game and the botched trade deal where they actually tried to get him here. have to see what the results of the hearing are. I wouldn't mind keeping things as Kizer, rookie + let Hogan and Kessler battle it out for QB3 but don't see it happening, Hue has mentioned getting a vet QB multiple times now and I think he has his sights set on AJ. let's hope they don't have to use any draft picks to get him.
I think Kirk is after a ring, highly unlikely he'll come to the Browns unless they drastically overpay him and I don't think DePo will let that happen. AJ McCarron is more realistic given how Hue and Haslam were chatting him up after the Bengals game and the botched trade deal where they actually tried to get him here. have to see what the results of the hearing are. I wouldn't mind keeping things as Kizer, rookie + let Hogan and Kessler battle it out for QB3 but don't see it happening, Hue has mentioned getting a vet QB multiple times now and I think he has his sights set on AJ. let's hope they don't have to use any draft picks to get him.
Does anyone think that McCarron is a serious major upgrade from Kizer, Kessler, and Hogan. Honestly...that is not a situation I can wrap my head around. Now....his hot wife? Hot bod.....but is it me...or do some of the rest of you think her looks make her like a bit of horseflesh?
And if we do go with McCarron.....we will have the QB with the ugliest tats in the league. WTF is up with those?
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4 years and something like 70 million guraranteed. That took the Browns out as they were just wanting a bridge guy...not a hugely paid long term guy.
Took us "out"? Do you think KC gave Smith a say in which deal they'd accept?
I think it took the Browns out of the mix...It sounds like it was a package deal. But, no....it was the draft pick and the player. We may have given KC a 3...but....I don't think we had a player they wanted like this Fuller that they also got.
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Sound familiar? Just ask Jimmy Garoppolo how happy HE is since he got to avoid the athletic cesspool known as the Browns.
Yup... I half expect word to leak out that the KC brass simply couldn't bring themselves to deal Smith to the Browns.
In the alternative there's the possibility that they did not want to do business with the GM they ran out of town.
Or bit of both...
I half expect word to leak out that the KC brass simply couldn't bring themselves to deal Smith to the Browns.
Kinda seeing this already...
On @Browns_Daily right now @AllbrightNFL said that “Alex Smith chose Washington due to the long term deal that the Skins were offering.” Added Browns offered multiple picks but wanted him for short term deal and Denver offered a 2nd and Aqib Talib!Pressed in follow ups Zegura posted:... wanted to do right by a vet who had done right by the org and they LOVED Fuller."When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
4 years and something like 70 million guraranteed. That took the Browns out as they were just wanting a bridge guy...not a hugely paid long term guy.
Took us "out"? Do you think KC gave Smith a say in which deal they'd accept?
I think it took the Browns out of the mix...It sounds like it was a package deal. But, no....it was the draft pick and the player. We may have given KC a 3...but....I don't think we had a player they wanted like this Fuller that they also got.
I think it took the Browns out of the mix...It sounds like it was a package deal. But, no....it was the draft pick and the player.
So... "Yes... But no."?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sound familiar? Just ask Jimmy Garoppolo how happy HE is since he got to avoid the athletic cesspool known as the Browns.
Yup... I half expect word to leak out that the KC brass simply couldn't bring themselves to deal Smith to the Browns.
In the alternative there's the possibility that they did not want to do business with the GM they ran out of town.
Or bit of both...
Yup... I half expect word to leak out that the KC brass simply couldn't bring themselves to deal Smith to the Browns.
In the alternative there's the possibility that they did not want to do business with the GM they ran out of town.
Or bit of both...
Ahh! Hadn't thought about that....the fact that they ran Dorsey out of town. Is there in fact a residual grudge? Some lingering animosity?
Its like the trade for McCarron....the Browns and Bengals have never consummated a trade in 50 years of coexistance. That is the closest they have ever come.
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I half expect word to leak out that the KC brass simply couldn't bring themselves to deal Smith to the Browns.
Kinda seeing this already...
On @Browns_Daily right now @AllbrightNFL said that “Alex Smith chose Washington due to the long term deal that the Skins were offering.” Added Browns offered multiple picks but wanted him for short term deal and Denver offered a 2nd and Aqib Talib!Pressed in follow ups Zegura posted:... wanted to do right by a vet who had done right by the org and they LOVED Fuller.Kinda seeing this already...
On @Browns_Daily right now @AllbrightNFL said that “Alex Smith chose Washington due to the long term deal that the Skins were offering.” Added Browns offered multiple picks but wanted him for short term deal and Denver offered a 2nd and Aqib Talib!Pressed in follow ups Zegura posted:... wanted to do right by a vet who had done right by the org and they LOVED Fuller.So....it was a package deal....and clearly the Chiefs wanted a DB in return if they were also talking Talib. I mean...unless we offered Peppers...who could the Browns have included that would have been satisfactory?
Also...why would the Chiefs be wanting to deal a decent QB to their in division rival....Denver?
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I think it took the Browns out of the mix...It sounds like it was a package deal. But, no....it was the draft pick and the player.
So... "Yes... But no."?
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Kinda seeing this already...
On @Browns_Daily right now @AllbrightNFL said that “Alex Smith chose Washington due to the long term deal that the Skins were offering.” Added Browns offered multiple picks but wanted him for short term deal and Denver offered a 2nd and Aqib Talib!Pressed in follow ups Zegura posted:... wanted to do right by a vet who had done right by the org and they LOVED Fuller.So....it was a package deal....and clearly the Chiefs wanted a DB in return if they were also talking Talib. I mean...unless we offered Peppers...who could the Browns have included that would have been satisfactory?
Also...why would the Chiefs be wanting to deal a decent QB to their in division rival....Denver?
So....it was a package deal....and clearly the Chiefs wanted a DB in return if they were also talking Talib. I mean...unless we offered Peppers...who could the Browns have included that would have been satisfactory?
Also...why would the Chiefs be wanting to deal a decent QB to their in division rival....Denver?
Chiefs weren't so they didn't.... Also Talib would put KC back into Cap issues.
Your use of the term "package deal" is quite nebulous.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think Kirk is after a ring, highly unlikely he'll come to the Browns unless they drastically overpay him and I don't think DePo will let that happen. AJ McCarron is more realistic given how Hue and Haslam were chatting him up after the Bengals game and the botched trade deal where they actually tried to get him here. have to see what the results of the hearing are. I wouldn't mind keeping things as Kizer, rookie + let Hogan and Kessler battle it out for QB3 but don't see it happening, Hue has mentioned getting a vet QB multiple times now and I think he has his sights set on AJ. let's hope they don't have to use any draft picks to get him.
Does anyone think that McCarron is a serious major upgrade from Kizer, Kessler, and Hogan. Honestly...that is not a situation I can wrap my head around. Now....his hot wife? Hot bod.....but is it me...or do some of the rest of you think her looks make her like a bit of horseflesh?
And if we do go with McCarron.....we will have the QB with the ugliest tats in the league. WTF is up with those?
Does anyone think that McCarron is a serious major upgrade from Kizer, Kessler, and Hogan. Honestly...that is not a situation I can wrap my head around. Now....his hot wife? Hot bod.....but is it me...or do some of the rest of you think her looks make her like a bit of horseflesh?
And if we do go with McCarron.....we will have the QB with the ugliest tats in the league. WTF is up with those?
Who on earth is looking at him?
sweet jeebus
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So....it was a package deal....and clearly the Chiefs wanted a DB in return if they were also talking Talib. I mean...unless we offered Peppers...who could the Browns have included that would have been satisfactory?
Also...why would the Chiefs be wanting to deal a decent QB to their in division rival....Denver?
Chiefs weren't so they didn't.... Also Talib would put KC back into Cap issues.
Your use of the term "package deal" is quite nebulous.
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Does anyone think that McCarron is a serious major upgrade from Kizer, Kessler, and Hogan. Honestly...that is not a situation I can wrap my head around. Now....his hot wife? Hot bod.....but is it me...or do some of the rest of you think her looks make her like a bit of horseflesh?
And if we do go with McCarron.....we will have the QB with the ugliest tats in the league. WTF is up with those?
Who on earth is looking at him?
sweet jeebus
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Let's hear it for our new GM!!!
We really have only the draft option.......and/or a Josh McCown type.
If Cousins goes to the Jets, then we could just see the return of McC...
I'm not going to dispute that the Browns offered "more" but was it really better? From our (KC) point of view, what we got was a 3rd and something better than a 1st wich is a CB that we need...
One last thought. Given the skins are at 13 in round 1 so they are on the outside looking in at this QB class, but it points to the fact the Redskins have seen enough to think they aren't interested participating in trying to get one of those guys up top. Just a thought.
Add that WSH was burned badly not too long ago moving up to take a QB.
Agree that in the end WSH put together a better package than we were obviously willing to do.
4 years and something like 70 million guraranteed. That took the Browns out as they were just wanting a bridge guy...not a hugely paid long term guy.
Took us "out"? Do you think KC gave Smith a say in which deal they'd accept?
Let's hear it for our new GM!!!
If Cousins goes to the Jets, then we could just see the return of McC...
Add that WSH was burned badly not too long ago moving up to take a QB.
Agree that in the end WSH put together a better package than we were obviously willing to do.
Took us "out"? Do you think KC gave Smith a say in which deal they'd accept?
to long of a deal for a bridge qb also I believe he regress's in Washington no where near the talent he had in K.C
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