Camp Barkley #1 Overall
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Oh good... somebody else notices this too.
He has speed... although I think his Combine 40 time will not live up to billing. Speed to power? Doesn't just apply to Edge rushers.
His strength is supposed to be fast+elusive+power... and he has all those elements... but which one is "elite" in its own right?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Oh good... somebody else notices this too.
He has speed... although I think his Combine 40 time will not live up to billing. Speed to power? Doesn't just apply to Edge rushers.
His strength is supposed to be fast+elusive+power... and he has all those elements... but which one is "elite" in its own right?
He has speed... although I think his Combine 40 time will not live up to billing. Speed to power? Doesn't just apply to Edge rushers.
His strength is supposed to be fast+elusive+power... and he has all those elements... but which one is "elite" in its own right?
Straight line speed, yes. But this talk of him running a 4.3? No way. Same thing I heard about Peppers last year. As for the speed to power? I just don't see him as an inside gap runner that turns out more yards than his line blocks for at times. He also has a nasty habit of chopping his feet or at times not even moving them when behind the LOS.
As for being elusive? First game I dialed up with the Iowa one and he was tackled in open field by DB's more times than I care to count.
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Yes, yes, Gipper, Ghoolie qualities should not be given to anyone. There is only one Ghoolie and he is me. I am the most accurate football prognosticator and expert regardless of the theater and geography.
But, I digress. I don't have time for this schidt........ I am busy selling one of my homes, getting my garage ready for a Harley, and trying to figure out how to hide my wife's guns so I am safe when I bring the bike home.
Also, I am writing another Irish tune. This time for WSS. I may sing on this one, in honor of my great, long time friend.
Here is some music for all of you. It will hopefully cause you to take a break from trying to launch grenades at me.
1) Ride The High Country....... a simple demo of a song I am pitching to a movie maker for a new cowboy project.
2) A short diddy of That's Amore'....because I love you all.
Enjoy.
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Many of the so-called draft experts have the Browns going QB first and then taking Barkley @ #4. However, he'll never be there @ #4. I'm sure somebody already said this before me, but unless they are set on just ONE QB and feel they will lose him at #4, they better take Barkley @ #1. (That's if they want him)! At first, I thought they should take the QB they wanted, then the CB @ #4. Then pick up an OT, RB, & WR in the second round. But like many, I feel this guy is just too good to pass up on! I'm also leaning more toward hoping they go after Cousins to--that's if they don't give up the farm for him.
Absolutely and welcome to the Browns Board!
I was so hoping the BROWNS could land an offseason starting QB but we'll see on that I'd love to see them get Barkley plus another stud player, maybe defense? Minkah? Plus with 12 picks they can really get need players.
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Thanks for the welcome, sorry so slow---getting use to this site here. In a perfect world, Cousins would be great (if he's the real deal for us), take Barkley @ #1, and that stud CB @ #4 or the BEST OT. Whichever of these two are not taken at #4 should definitely be picked up in FA. We should also pick up an additional OL and CB/S as well in FA/draft. If they don't get Cousins, and are taking a QB, their guy will be there @ #4, so why pass on the RB if they want him? That was the point of my post because many believe Indy will snag him @ #3. Is he that good? I'd hate to pass on him if he is! If not, I'd just as soon pass on him and snag one of the Georgia backs in round 2!
Love your footer, btw. You forgot Air Force, hahaha! Adding, thanks for your service as well.
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Thanks for the welcome, sorry so slow---getting use to this site here. In a perfect world, Cousins would be great (if he's the real deal for us), take Barkley @ #1, and that stud CB @ #4 or the BEST OT. Whichever of these two are not taken at #4 should definitely be picked up in FA. We should also pick up an additional OL and CB/S as well in FA/draft. If they don't get Cousins, and are taking a QB, their guy will be there @ #4, so why pass on the RB if they want him? That was the point of my post because many believe Indy will snag him @ #3. Is he that good? I'd hate to pass on him if he is! If not, I'd just as soon pass on him and snag one of the Georgia backs in round 2!
Love your footer, btw. You forgot Air Force, hahaha! Adding, thanks for your service as well.
Thanks for the welcome, sorry so slow---getting use to this site here. In a perfect world, Cousins would be great (if he's the real deal for us), take Barkley @ #1, and that stud CB @ #4 or the BEST OT. Whichever of these two are not taken at #4 should definitely be picked up in FA. We should also pick up an additional OL and CB/S as well in FA/draft. If they don't get Cousins, and are taking a QB, their guy will be there @ #4, so why pass on the RB if they want him? That was the point of my post because many believe Indy will snag him @ #3. Is he that good? I'd hate to pass on him if he is! If not, I'd just as soon pass on him and snag one of the Georgia backs in round 2!
Love your footer, btw. You forgot Air Force, hahaha! Adding, thanks for your service as well.
Yeah and all sites have their little quirks getting the boxes right. My dad was the NAVY guy in WWII and Korea, I've always been a big military history buff, also wanted to go to Annapolis when I was young, really wanted to play football there but a knee injury in high school kind of wiped that out.
On the BROWNS draft I never really got into mock drafts too much but this year should be interesting with 12 well placed picks, April 26-28 should be fun. You sure don't want to blow a #1 and 4 pick of the litter! They have a great grouping for need positions:
A ton of NFL Draft capital and some interesting tidbits:
- 2 picks in the Top 5
- 4 picks in the Top 35
- 5 picks in the Top 60
- 7 Picks in the Top 108 (Huge in a deep Draft where Top 100 picks are held in high esteem, Browns own a normal full Drafts of picks by pick #108)
- 4 sets of picks clustered near each other: 1 & 4, 33 & 35, 60 & 65 and 137 & 145
- 12 picks overall, though it wouldn't be a shock to see a few dealt for veterans or to move up.
Oh my footer as you can see I'm a lifelong sports fan primary football and baseball but I list them out!
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Nothing says blowing a #1 or #4 overall pick like continually stumping for a RB to be taken with one of them.
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Nothing says blowing a #1 or #4 overall pick like continually stumping for a RB to be taken with one of them.
Nothing says blowing a #1 or #4 overall pick like continually stumping for a RB to be taken with one of them.
Eh in the BROWNS case it might be a need.....risky but a need to help out the newbie QB? Again with two top 4 picks.
But skip the first round and get a serviceable RB at 33 or 35. Again if they do NOT get an experienced QB before the draft #1 or 4 will be a rookie savior guy.
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Yes, yes, Gipper, Ghoolie qualities should not be given to anyone. There is only one Ghoolie and he is me. I am the most accurate football prognosticator and expert regardless of the theater and geography.
But, I digress. I don't have time for this schidt........ I am busy selling one of my homes, getting my garage ready for a Harley, and trying to figure out how to hide my wife's guns so I am safe when I bring the bike home.
Also, I am writing another Irish tune. This time for WSS. I may sing on this one, in honor of my great, long time friend.
Here is some music for all of you. It will hopefully cause you to take a break from trying to launch grenades at me.
1) Ride The High Country....... a simple demo of a song I am pitching to a movie maker for a new cowboy project.
2) A short diddy of That's Amore'....because I love you all.
Enjoy.
Yes, yes, Gipper, Ghoolie qualities should not be given to anyone. There is only one Ghoolie and he is me. I am the most accurate football prognosticator and expert regardless of the theater and geography.
I don't think so....why don't you and POG have a contest to see who is better....or worse.
But, I digress. I don't have time for this schidt........ I am busy selling one of my homes, getting my garage ready for a Harley, and trying to figure out how to hide my wife's guns so I am safe when I bring the bike home.
Also, I am writing another Irish tune. This time for WSS. I may sing on this one, in honor of my great, long time friend.
Here is some music for all of you. It will hopefully cause you to take a break from trying to launch grenades at me.
1) Ride The High Country....... a simple demo of a song I am pitching to a movie maker for a new cowboy project.
2) A short diddy of That's Amore'....because I love you all.
Enjoy.
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Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
One thing I've heard is that Josh Allen has a tremendous Play Action fake... if that's the case, with the Defense having to respect Barkley's run ability, should they bite that's leaving Gordon with a one on one that he's likely to win EVERY TIME. No corner can cover Josh Gordon, nobody.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
One thing I've heard is that Josh Allen has a tremendous Play Action fake... if that's the case, with the Defense having to respect Barkley's run ability, should they bite that's leaving Gordon with a one on one that he's likely to win EVERY TIME. No corner can cover Josh Gordon, nobody.
Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
One thing I've heard is that Josh Allen has a tremendous Play Action fake... if that's the case, with the Defense having to respect Barkley's run ability, should they bite that's leaving Gordon with a one on one that he's likely to win EVERY TIME. No corner can cover Josh Gordon, nobody.
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Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
One thing I've heard is that Josh Allen has a tremendous Play Action fake... if that's the case, with the Defense having to respect Barkley's run ability, should they bite that's leaving Gordon with a one on one that he's likely to win EVERY TIME. No corner can cover Josh Gordon, nobody.
You find it funny huh?
You don't believe that the play action fake is supported by having a home run threat at running back?
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Thanks for the welcome, sorry so slow---getting use to this site here. In a perfect world, Cousins would be great (if he's the real deal for us), take Barkley @ #1, and that stud CB @ #4 or the BEST OT. Whichever of these two are not taken at #4 should definitely be picked up in FA. We should also pick up an additional OL and CB/S as well in FA/draft. If they don't get Cousins, and are taking a QB, their guy will be there @ #4, so why pass on the RB if they want him? That was the point of my post because many believe Indy will snag him @ #3. Is he that good? I'd hate to pass on him if he is! If not, I'd just as soon pass on him and snag one of the Georgia backs in round 2!
Love your footer, btw. You forgot Air Force, hahaha! Adding, thanks for your service as well.
Thanks for the welcome, sorry so slow---getting use to this site here. In a perfect world, Cousins would be great (if he's the real deal for us), take Barkley @ #1, and that stud CB @ #4 or the BEST OT. Whichever of these two are not taken at #4 should definitely be picked up in FA. We should also pick up an additional OL and CB/S as well in FA/draft. If they don't get Cousins, and are taking a QB, their guy will be there @ #4, so why pass on the RB if they want him? That was the point of my post because many believe Indy will snag him @ #3. Is he that good? I'd hate to pass on him if he is! If not, I'd just as soon pass on him and snag one of the Georgia backs in round 2!
Love your footer, btw. You forgot Air Force, hahaha! Adding, thanks for your service as well.
Let's just say there's some violent disagreement about chasing after Cousins with a Brinks truck full of money. that's the only reason the talking heads are saying the Browns will make a play for him. We have more Cap Space than everyone except the 49ers.
Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
One thing I've heard is that Josh Allen has a tremendous Play Action fake... if that's the case, with the Defense having to respect Barkley's run ability, should they bite that's leaving Gordon with a one on one that he's likely to win EVERY TIME. No corner can cover Josh Gordon, nobody.
I'm not in favor Barkley #1 overall, and you should know that by now. RB hasn't gone that high in over 20 years, and I don't see it happening this year either. Only way that (qb @ #4) happens for the Browns is if we have 3 QBs rated the same. (we won't) We take Barkley, you can bet the Giants will take a qb. Broncos may swap picks with the Colts to take their QB, assuming they don't land Cousins. That leaves us the third qb- want to pray we luck out and the one we really want is still there?
OTOH, we take our QB #1 overall, and the Giants and Broncos (in a trade up) take QBs. Guess who's still there at #4? Your dreamboat. If you don't think the Colts will be really interested in a trade down for picks instead of taking Barkley- I can't help you there. Going from #3 to #5 (or #6 with the Jets) Indy doesn't get Barkley, but they do get an extra second round pick, and draft a bodyguard like Orlando Brown (or similar) to keep Andrew Luck in one piece.
I wish I could find (I'm not going to spend time looking for it) that cleveland.com podcast- it's around 40 minutes long- where they dissected what the Browns might do at #1 and #4. They literally tore Allen apart with some pretty damning stats. What good is Gordon getting open with Allen not being able to get the ball in the same area code 1\2 the time? Accuracy matters Po- and Allen has yet to prove he's even close to being accurate- and I watched a bunch of his games. Ditto no to Barkley @ #1.
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You find it funny huh?
You don't believe that the play action fake is supported by having a home run threat at running back?
I find it funny because there really isn't a QB in this class I've seen thus far with a ball action fake that I can appreciate.
And I don't think any fake will be made better by having Barkley as your back.
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You find it funny huh?
You don't believe that the play action fake is supported by having a home run threat at running back?
Jim Brown, do you remember 11 trying to stop 1? Made Gary Collins' numbers look real good!
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I don't know what you guys are saying? I'm saying that it's a team game, and the threat of Barkley getting the ball IS going to freeze the LBs and cause the DL to shift focus from the QB. If they bite on the play action that is going to lead to a big gain. If they don't respect the play action and Barkley get the ball then they are going to be a step to late to make the play on the run.Barkley gets you that second of uncertainty or that coveted step that you need to get the yards you need to be successful.What are you guys not agreeing with? I think that you are simply aggressively disagreeing with any statement or assessment that doesn't fit your narrative... It's time to get on board.The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
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Yes, yes, Gipper, Ghoolie qualities should not be given to anyone. There is only one Ghoolie and he is me. I am the most accurate football prognosticator and expert regardless of the theater and geography.
But, I digress. I don't have time for this schidt........ I am busy selling one of my homes, getting my garage ready for a Harley, and trying to figure out how to hide my wife's guns so I am safe when I bring the bike home.
Also, I am writing another Irish tune. This time for WSS. I may sing on this one, in honor of my great, long time friend.
Here is some music for all of you. It will hopefully cause you to take a break from trying to launch grenades at me.
1) Ride The High Country....... a simple demo of a song I am pitching to a movie maker for a new cowboy project.
2) A short diddy of That's Amore'....because I love you all.
Enjoy.
Yes, yes, Gipper, Ghoolie qualities should not be given to anyone. There is only one Ghoolie and he is me. I am the most accurate football prognosticator and expert regardless of the theater and geography.
But, I digress. I don't have time for this schidt........ I am busy selling one of my homes, getting my garage ready for a Harley, and trying to figure out how to hide my wife's guns so I am safe when I bring the bike home.
Also, I am writing another Irish tune. This time for WSS. I may sing on this one, in honor of my great, long time friend.
Here is some music for all of you. It will hopefully cause you to take a break from trying to launch grenades at me.
1) Ride The High Country....... a simple demo of a song I am pitching to a movie maker for a new cowboy project.
2) A short diddy of That's Amore'....because I love you all.
Enjoy.
Again, what FOOTBALL insight do you have? Been trying to get the answer since I have been on here. Not some prediction about the team will suck, etc. But the game of FOOTBALL insight
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Thanks for the welcome, sorry so slow---getting use to this site here. In a perfect world, Cousins would be great (if he's the real deal for us), take Barkley @ #1, and that stud CB @ #4 or the BEST OT. Whichever of these two are not taken at #4 should definitely be picked up in FA. We should also pick up an additional OL and CB/S as well in FA/draft. If they don't get Cousins, and are taking a QB, their guy will be there @ #4, so why pass on the RB if they want him? That was the point of my post because many believe Indy will snag him @ #3. Is he that good? I'd hate to pass on him if he is! If not, I'd just as soon pass on him and snag one of the Georgia backs in round 2!
Love your footer, btw. You forgot Air Force, hahaha! Adding, thanks for your service as well.
Let's just say there's some violent disagreement about chasing after Cousins with a Brinks truck full of money. that's the only reason the talking heads are saying the Browns will make a play for him. We have more Cap Space than everyone except the 49ers.
Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
One thing I've heard is that Josh Allen has a tremendous Play Action fake... if that's the case, with the Defense having to respect Barkley's run ability, should they bite that's leaving Gordon with a one on one that he's likely to win EVERY TIME. No corner can cover Josh Gordon, nobody.
I'm not in favor Barkley #1 overall, and you should know that by now. RB hasn't gone that high in over 20 years, and I don't see it happening this year either. Only way that (qb @ #4) happens for the Browns is if we have 3 QBs rated the same. (we won't) We take Barkley, you can bet the Giants will take a qb. Broncos may swap picks with the Colts to take their QB, assuming they don't land Cousins. That leaves us the third qb- want to pray we luck out and the one we really want is still there?
OTOH, we take our QB #1 overall, and the Giants and Broncos (in a trade up) take QBs. Guess who's still there at #4? Your dreamboat. If you don't think the Colts will be really interested in a trade down for picks instead of taking Barkley- I can't help you there. Going from #3 to #5 (or #6 with the Jets) Indy doesn't get Barkley, but they do get an extra second round pick, and draft a bodyguard like Orlando Brown (or similar) to keep Andrew Luck in one piece.
I wish I could find (I'm not going to spend time looking for it) that cleveland.com podcast- it's around 40 minutes long- where they dissected what the Browns might do at #1 and #4. They literally tore Allen apart with some pretty damning stats. What good is Gordon getting open with Allen not being able to get the ball in the same area code 1\2 the time? Accuracy matters Po- and Allen has yet to prove he's even close to being accurate- and I watched a bunch of his games. Ditto no to Barkley @ #1.
Let's just say there's some violent disagreement about chasing after Cousins with a Brinks truck full of money. that's the only reason the talking heads are saying the Browns will make a play for him. We have more Cap Space than everyone except the 49ers.
I'm not in favor Barkley #1 overall, and you should know that by now. RB hasn't gone that high in over 20 years, and I don't see it happening this year either. Only way that (qb @ #4) happens for the Browns is if we have 3 QBs rated the same. (we won't) We take Barkley, you can bet the Giants will take a qb. Broncos may swap picks with the Colts to take their QB, assuming they don't land Cousins. That leaves us the third qb- want to pray we luck out and the one we really want is still there?
OTOH, we take our QB #1 overall, and the Giants and Broncos (in a trade up) take QBs. Guess who's still there at #4? Your dreamboat. If you don't think the Colts will be really interested in a trade down for picks instead of taking Barkley- I can't help you there. Going from #3 to #5 (or #6 with the Jets) Indy doesn't get Barkley, but they do get an extra second round pick, and draft a bodyguard like Orlando Brown (or similar) to keep Andrew Luck in one piece.
I wish I could find (I'm not going to spend time looking for it) that cleveland.com podcast- it's around 40 minutes long- where they dissected what the Browns might do at #1 and #4. They literally tore Allen apart with some pretty damning stats. What good is Gordon getting open with Allen not being able to get the ball in the same area code 1\2 the time? Accuracy matters Po- and Allen has yet to prove he's even close to being accurate- and I watched a bunch of his games. Ditto no to Barkley @ #1.
Exactly. PO seems to think that just because Indy has a QB that they will stay there and pick his man crush. They can trade, and that team would then take the QB.
Goff, Wentz, Lynch. Yea the 3rd QB option is a GOOD one.
But what do I know, the Browns are better off going into the season with the 3rd QB choice, apparently the BEST player of ALL TIME before he is even on a team, and Kevin Hogan (who couldn't beat out Kessler, RG3, or Kizer).
Speaking about Barkley, I wonder if they already made his bust for Canton? By the time he is done (or even STARTED) he will have his own wing. Gosh, what am I saying? They will build a new Hall of Fame just for him
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Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
One thing I've heard is that Josh Allen has a tremendous Play Action fake... if that's the case, with the Defense having to respect Barkley's run ability, should they bite that's leaving Gordon with a one on one that he's likely to win EVERY TIME. No corner can cover Josh Gordon, nobody.
Many people are getting on board with getting Saquon Barkley #1 and then going after the QBOTF at #4.
NY could take Darnold or Rosen.
The Colts may take Chubb or OT to support Luck.
We then could take Allen/Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold- whichever one is left.
I don't see us getting Barkley at 4, he'd be long gone by then.
I disagree here Poe. Here's 2 scenarios and I think the 2nd one is far more likely given the importance of the QB position and how deep this draft is at RB.
Scenario A:
1) Cleveland drafts Barkley in lieu of their pick of the litter at the most important position in football today
2) NYG draft a QB
3) Denver trades up from #5 to draft a QB ahead of Cleveland -or- Buffalo trades its 2 first round picks to Indy to draft a QB
4) Cleveland drafts the 3rd QB
Scenario B:
1) Cleveland drafts a QB
2) NYG drafts a QB
3) Denver or Buffalo (with 2 first round picks) trades up with Indy to draft a QB
4) Cleveland drafts Barkley
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