Blowing up the QB rankings
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You watched but failed to grasp. I take my leave now.
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Lamar Jackson, the #1 QB of this class?
Wow.
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Jackson will get blown up in the NFL.
He is a phenom in college and that is all. His game does not translate to the next level.
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got to give it to Louisville Slugger..he has not waiver'd on his hometown QB since bowl season..TopDawg31 stuck to his hometown Mentor guy in Mitch last season..Good Luck, we'll see where Lamar is after the combine..but I like his attitude with the nay say media that "Am playing NFL QB" not another position..hope he sticks to it & does not turn to agent speaking out both sides of his mouth..
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Here's a crazy idea, maybe we can get substance in these responses. I know I'm going against the grain here but tell me how I'm wrong.
I have actually been in camp Darnold until last night when I watched tape on all of these guys. I really do try and not let my fandom get in the way and find the best prospect for the browns. I did make a post about bringing in Roman as o.c. and how Lamar would be a great fit in his offense
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the problem with most these guys, is NFL defenses will attack their weakness..Darnold on tape will continue to see pressure in face as bowl game till he can beat it getting ball out early..Lamar & Mayfield with wider hash marks will be forced to sit in pocket till you beat them with your arm reading defenses getting to 2nd & 3rd progressions..Mainly why Rosen is being trotted as most ready to start day one..
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Here's a crazy idea, maybe we can get substance in these responses. I know I'm going against the grain here but tell me how I'm wrong.
I have actually been in camp Darnold until last night when I watched tape on all of these guys. I really do try and not let my fandom get in the way and find the best prospect for the browns. I did make a post about bringing in Roman as o.c. and how Lamar would be a great fit in his offense
Here's a crazy idea, maybe we can get substance in these responses. I know I'm going against the grain here but tell me how I'm wrong.
I have actually been in camp Darnold until last night when I watched tape on all of these guys. I really do try and not let my fandom get in the way and find the best prospect for the browns. I did make a post about bringing in Roman as o.c. and how Lamar would be a great fit in his offense
Because he is a ridiculously limited QB for the pro game at this point.
He's the epitome of a "one-read and run" QB. You posted a highlight film of him a while back, and most of it was him running or completing a pass downfield off a broken play.
In fact, you cooled off him at the end of the season, and even admitted that you probably overvalued him. Now he's back as the #1 QB in this class?
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I don't think of ever posted a video. I'm not sure I even know how.
He's not a one read and run type you have never watched a game of his have you? He ran alot but the main reason was either to design or to buy time. Jackson also has a good arm and reads defenses pretty well. He's not as bad from the pocket as everyone makes him out to be. He just needs to get more consistent.
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I don't think of ever posted a video. I'm not sure I even know how.
He's not a one read and run type you have never watched a game of his have you? He ran alot but the main reason was either to design or to buy time. Jackson also has a good arm and reads defenses pretty well. He's not as bad from the pocket as everyone makes him out to be. He just needs to get more consistent.
I don't think of ever posted a video. I'm not sure I even know how.
He's not a one read and run type you have never watched a game of his have you? He ran alot but the main reason was either to design or to buy time. Jackson also has a good arm and reads defenses pretty well. He's not as bad from the pocket as everyone makes him out to be. He just needs to get more consistent.
Hmm, I'm surprised you don't have JT Barrett in there. I still have this problem with short QBs. And I know Breese, Wilson, and a few others in there. But they are few and far between. I'd still take either Allen or Darnold 1st (both tall and wide, and can throw) and Barclay 4th.
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I don't see much wrong with Mayfield's character, in fact I think it's a positive on him.
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It maybe the mazeil effect, but grabbing your crotch and cussing out fans is just a dumb thing to do and QBs are held to a higher standard. I don't think Mayfield is on the Manzeil level, but it's still a red flag.
Jackson is 6'3 will probably come in an inch shorter like most prospects. Comparing him to Barrett is just ridiculous.
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MAYBE....if you were drafting a QB to play for college team....you would have Jackson high on your list.
But this is the NFL that he will be going to play in.....not another college league.
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I've watched the game tape on the top QBs in this draft class and I came away with a much different opinion than the experts. Starting from 5 to 1 this is how rank the QBs
5. Josh Allen- Pure potential. He obviously has a cannon and he is a pretty good athlete. I like the way he stands tall in the pocket and steps up in the face of pressure. He has poor ball placement and completely misses more than you would like. It appears as if he struggles to see the field and looks to rely on his arm instead of reading the defense. I honestly should have Rudolph in this spot but Allen's tools are hard to overlook. I wouldn't touch him in the first 2 rounds.
4. Josh Rosen- The most polished QB in this class. Solid pocket passer with good height but needs to put on some weight. Accuracy is good at times but isn't elite. If it wasn't for his injury concerns, and rumored attitude problems, I would have a better review of him. I would wait until the end of the 1st round before considering pulling the trigger.
3. Sam Darnold- Darnold has been my pick all season long, but he looks scared to step up in the pocket. When the pass rush is coming at him he looks like he freaks out. If his balls drop he has everyhing you look for in a QB. Sometimes even reminds me of Aaron Rogers, mobility, accuracy, and a solid arm. I would still consider him at #1 but not my favorite prospect.
2. Baker Mayfield- so much to like here. He really understood his offense and put up video game numbers. Good accuracy and a decent arm. Handles pressure pretty well but his line was ridiculously good. He had a clean pocket like 90% of the time and they allowed him to pick apart the defense. Makes quick read and rarely makes a bad throw. I could look past his size to put him as the #1 spot but his character is a real concern.
1. Lamar Jackson- I know I'm going to get knocked for being a homer, but like I said earlier, I was firmly in camp Darnold until I watched more tape. Lamar is special. His athleticism and grit are undeniable. As a passer he needs some work but he's not as far off from the other prospect as you would think. He has to become more consistent and I think if he stops trying to do it all he can accomplish that. Some throws are top notch then he'll throw a head scratcher. Bottom line he is a playmaker and at first I was worried that he wouldn't translate to the NFL, but after comparing him to the field i think he has a better chance than most.
4. Josh Rosen- The most polished QB in this class.
Perfect spot for the "most polished QB"...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
4. Josh Rosen- The most polished QB in this class.
Perfect spot for the "most polished QB"...
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Here's a crazy idea, maybe we can get substance in these responses. I know I'm going against the grain here but tell me how I'm wrong.
I have actually been in camp Darnold until last night when I watched tape on all of these guys. I really do try and not let my fandom get in the way and find the best prospect for the browns. I did make a post about bringing in Roman as o.c. and how Lamar would be a great fit in his offense
Here's a crazy idea, maybe we can get substance in these responses. I know I'm going against the grain here but tell me how I'm wrong.
I have actually been in camp Darnold until last night when I watched tape on all of these guys. I really do try and not let my fandom get in the way and find the best prospect for the browns. I did make a post about bringing in Roman as o.c. and how Lamar would be a great fit in his offense
If you were able to watch 5 prospects in ONE night... then you didn't watch enough. Chances are you didn't rewind plays, diagram route/concepts and recognition.
You just did the ' eye test' and moved back to the narrative you had which was to bring in Roman as OC. By the by, since we've had this conversation before - how many points did the Bills score in their playoff appearance?
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Here's a crazy idea, maybe we can get substance in these responses. I know I'm going against the grain here but tell me how I'm wrong.
I have actually been in camp Darnold until last night when I watched tape on all of these guys. I really do try and not let my fandom get in the way and find the best prospect for the browns. I did make a post about bringing in Roman as o.c. and how Lamar would be a great fit in his offense
If you were able to watch 5 prospects in ONE night... then you didn't watch enough. Chances are you didn't rewind plays, diagram route/concepts and recognition.
You just did the ' eye test' and moved back to the narrative you had which was to bring in Roman as OC. By the by, since we've had this conversation before - how many points did the Bills score in their playoff appearance?
If you were able to watch 5 prospects in ONE night... then you didn't watch enough. Chances are you didn't rewind plays, diagram route/concepts and recognition.
It's hard to evaluate one prospect per day... even an OL let alone a QB.
Slugger, if you want input, then you have to describe your approach and show your work. Transcribe your game notes... post links to the videos you watched...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm a fan, not a scout. How much do you need to see if a guy can play? I would guess I spend 2 hours over the course of an entire off-season looking at a particular prospect. Here's my process, it's not perfect but it served me we figuring that I've only had 3-4 big misses since 2007 when I started getting into this stuff.
I look at stats by position and read reviews from a few sites that I like. I'll rarely spend time on kids that dont put up numbers unless they're some freak athlete.
I watch tape( usually about 5 games at first) to see if the numbers match the play. I look for positive and negative traits.
Once I weed out the ones that I think are busts I compare the remaning players tape to the field. For example I'll watch Sam Darnold for 3 or 4 games, then Josh Rosen for 3 or 4 games. Then I'll determine who I like better.
Going into the combine I usually have a good idea on the players I like and I'll see if there athleticism translates from what I saw on tape to their performance. I don't put a ton of stock into the combine but I do use it as tool to get a better picture of what I saw on tape.
I use the mock drafts to see where players are slotted to go and I'll use that as a guideline to target player I feel like are gems. That's just a guideline however. For instance most mocks have Rashaad Penny going in the 3rd or 4th round right now but I think he has good value at 33. I was saying Josh Jackson was a good value at 4 when most mocks had him mid to late round. The experts apparently saw what I did and now have him slotted in the 5-10 range.
The players I've missed on that I can think of off the top of my head
Trent Richardson- I had Doug Martin with a similar grade but I feel in love with his power and agility. It was hard to see his lack of vision with those holes that Alabama line would open up for him.
Kyle Fuller- He has been up and down but I thought he was the best corner in that class.
Matt Elam- by far the biggest blunder on my part. I thought he was awesome at Florida. Athletic, hit like a truck, and was productive. I never would of have guessed he would be out of the league after his rookie deal
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Just realized that Sluggers evals include trigger words ive mentioned before hand should guide you away from that QB...
"Athletic, playmaker, Grit".
Notice the words I use for my preferred passers, there's a big one he used as weak points re: Lamar
"Consistency".
I've echoed this several times but I'll use this thread as the poster child.
If you find yourself watching a QB and the first words you use to describe him are "winner, leader, stats, playmaker, HEISMAN, athletic" etc etc... you should re-evaluate why you're not using the words "Accurate, decisive, consistent, command" etc etc.
I'll take my leave from this thread and if you want the input from a dude that put together a top 5 list under 24 hours doing his own homework... that's all you.
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Just realized that Sluggers evals include trigger words ive mentioned before hand should guide you away from that QB...
"Athletic, playmaker, Grit".
Notice the words I use for my preferred passers, there's a big one he used as weak points re: Lamar
"Consistency".
I've echoed this several times but I'll use this thread as the poster child.
If you find yourself watching a QB and the first words you use to describe him are "winner, leader, stats, playmaker, HEISMAN, athletic" etc etc... you should re-evaluate why you're not using the words "Accurate, decisive, consistent, command" etc etc.
I'll take my leave from this thread and if you want the input from a dude that put together a top 5 list under 24 hours doing his own homework... that's all you.
Just realized that Sluggers evals include trigger words that should guide you away from that QB...
"Athletic, playmaker, Grit".
Notice the words I use for my preferred passers, there's a big one he used as weak points re: Lamar
"Consistency".
I've echoed this several times but I'll use this thread as the poster child.
If you find yourself watching a QB and the first words you use to describe him are "winner, leader, stats, playmaker, HEISMAN, athletic" etc etc... you should re-evaluate why you're not using the words "Accurate, decisive, consistent, command" etc etc.
I'll take my leave from this thread and if you want the input from a dude that put together a top 5 list under 24 hours doing his own homework... that's all you.
This post is a real game changer. It has a real fire to it. If I had to sum it up with one word, it would be ‘grit’. It is the Baker Mayfield of posts.
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Just realized that Sluggers evals include trigger words ive mentioned before hand should guide you away from that QB...
"Athletic, playmaker, Grit".
Notice the words I use for my preferred passers, there's a big one he used as weak points re: Lamar
"Consistency".
I've echoed this several times but I'll use this thread as the poster child.
If you find yourself watching a QB and the first words you use to describe him are "winner, leader, stats, playmaker, HEISMAN, athletic" etc etc... you should re-evaluate why you're not using the words "Accurate, decisive, consistent, command" etc etc.
I'll take my leave from this thread and if you want the input from a dude that put together a top 5 list under 24 hours doing his own homework... that's all you.
Just realized that Sluggers evals include trigger words ive mentioned before hand should guide you away from that QB...
"Athletic, playmaker, Grit".
Notice the words I use for my preferred passers, there's a big one he used as weak points re: Lamar
"Consistency".
I've echoed this several times but I'll use this thread as the poster child.
If you find yourself watching a QB and the first words you use to describe him are "winner, leader, stats, playmaker, HEISMAN, athletic" etc etc... you should re-evaluate why you're not using the words "Accurate, decisive, consistent, command" etc etc.
I'll take my leave from this thread and if you want the input from a dude that put together a top 5 list under 24 hours doing his own homework... that's all you.
Here's a fun little idea. We should pin a thread and we can put our player rankings on them. List the players who are steals and busts. Let's see who does the better evaluations.
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