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  • LogicIsForSquares LogicIsForSquaresL Dedicated Reacting Well Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/kalen-ballage?id=2559995

    Vision issues being mentioned gives me the bubble guts. TRich sucked for just that reason.

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      gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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      Yea, the senior bowl practice week has become a build up chat week of prospects. Fell into the trap so I turned the film on on Kalen. Lot of frame to grow into at 6'3" 230 but imo Arizona St. did him a favor coming off a good year as a Junior but this Katz stat line just is not impressive. Lot of carries just not a lot of production numbers..For the life of me I still can't find if he has a fumblitist issue with no numbers showing up, against not a great division for Defense..

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        Scarbrough has never played a whole season for injuries.

        Kalen Ballage is a big, powerful rb that runs a 4.4, played all sorts of positions in hs, and

        is a terrific kid:

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
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        @calfoxwc said:

        Scarbrough has never played a whole season for injuries.

        He played in every game this season and only missed one game the season before. 

        The injury plagued season was his freshman year.

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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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          But I digess. This thread is about Ballage. I need to watch something other than a highlight on him to see if the vision issues are as bad as advertised. He can catch the football and seems to run with power.

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            LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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            ANALYSIS

            STRENGTHS

             Big, bruising back with power in his lower body but lighter feet than you?d expect give his size. North-south runner effective in one and two-back sets. Strong cuts and a nice burst out of them makes him capable of breaking off big runs when the hole is available. Sets up defenders in the open field to cut away. Flashes some stop-start ability and shake in space that freezes oncoming defenders. Pushes piles with lower body strength. Can lower his pads for contact, churn through tackle attempts to become difficult to bring down due to second and third efforts. Wiggles and pushes through traffic inside to get the extra yard after it looks as though he?s stopped. Possesses a spin move to come off tackles at the second level, maintains balance to keep on moving or at least fall forward for an extra couple of yards. Uses a strong stiff arm in space, as well. Agile enough to jump over defenders trying to cut him down in the open field. Used in WildDawg formation in the red zone. Decent receiver out of the backfield.

            WEAKNESSES

             Taller back who presents a big target for defenders to hit, especially when failing to lower his pads going into the hole. Size also limits his breakaway speed and ability to create on his own if challenged by better front sevens.Sub par vision prevents him from seeing cut back lines and sees him running up the back of his lead blocker too often. Pass protection form is inconsistent, has size to handle rushers or at least push them around the pocket, but often moves his feet too slowly or tries to cut instead of setting to anchor. Holds the ball away from his body at times, though he doesn?t fumble very often.
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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              That is Leveon Bell. Ballage's draft profile sounds nearly identical if you want to hunt it up. 

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                C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                yeah, I know about the production stuff - but he isn't bell - he is a high character guy who I think would have a better pro

                career than in college. I don't know about the vision - not sure a power back has to have it that much. ? Rather than a 2nd round pick for bell, I could see drafting this kid - 3rd/4th/5th? round.

                Scarbrough - though - here's what I read:

                https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/12/28/16823916/2018-draft-scouting-profile-alabama-running-back-bo-scarbrough

                Medicals and Character

                Scarbrough served a four-game suspension as a freshman for the Tide, reportedly due to an NCAA issue related to amateurism. He also tore his ACL that season, the first of several major issues during his Alabama career. It wasn’t his first injured season, though, as he came to Alabama with a reputation of being both a freak athlete (and five-star prospect), and a high injury risk.

                "Scarbrough has yet to play a full season of high school football. He broke his ankle in his freshman season, tore his ACL as a sophomore and suffered a high-ankle sprain last year. All three injuries cut his seasons short."

                Scarbrough broke out after returning from that ACL tear, but was once again injured in 2016, this time during the National Championship game. Scarbrough was a beast in the game, but ended up breaking his leg and the Tide struggled after his departure. 2017 didn’t start off well, missing time with illness before soundly losing a large portion of his carries to Damien Harris. Scarbrough still saw decent production, but Nick Saban wisely limited his touches to maintain his health.

                NOTE: I stand confused. The write you posted mentioned that size limits his breakaway speed...except he runs a 4.4 allegedly. Just confusing.

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                  https://www.houseofsparky.com/2017/8/27/16210198/asu-football-kalen-ballage-boasts-next-level-talent-huge-opportunity-ahead-of-final-season

                  That's all, folks. My rb pick for the Browns' draft.

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  https://www.houseofsparky.com/2017/8/27/16210198/asu-football-kalen-ballage-boasts-next-level-talent-huge-opportunity-ahead-of-final-season

                  That's all, folks. My rb pick for the Browns' draft.

                  For what round?   3rd or 4th perhaps?

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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                    yes - he won't fly under the radar much later than that, I think.

                    If he was in the 4th round, by golly, -what a steal. I really think his character and work ethic would get him far in the pros, and he

                    has some serious ability as a power rb. Not perfect, or he'd go in the top half of the second round, even sneak into the first round then. I wonder how much running with a lower pad level can be coached. I ain't got no ideaer.

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      Cal, the write up was for Bell. So it was a knock on Bell.

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                        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                        I could come around on Ballage.

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                          Cal, the write up was for Bell. So it was a knock on Bell.

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                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                          @logicisforsquares said:

                          Cal, the write up was for Bell. So it was a knock on Bell.

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                            yeah, I know about the production stuff - but he isn't bell - he is a high character guy who I think would have a better pro

                            career than in college. I don't know about the vision - not sure a power back has to have it that much. ? Rather than a 2nd round pick for bell, I could see drafting this kid - 3rd/4th/5th? round.

                            Scarbrough - though - here's what I read:

                            https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/12/28/16823916/2018-draft-scouting-profile-alabama-running-back-bo-scarbrough

                            Medicals and Character

                            Scarbrough served a four-game suspension as a freshman for the Tide, reportedly due to an NCAA issue related to amateurism. He also tore his ACL that season, the first of several major issues during his Alabama career. It wasn’t his first injured season, though, as he came to Alabama with a reputation of being both a freak athlete (and five-star prospect), and a high injury risk.

                            "Scarbrough has yet to play a full season of high school football. He broke his ankle in his freshman season, tore his ACL as a sophomore and suffered a high-ankle sprain last year. All three injuries cut his seasons short."

                            Scarbrough broke out after returning from that ACL tear, but was once again injured in 2016, this time during the National Championship game. Scarbrough was a beast in the game, but ended up breaking his leg and the Tide struggled after his departure. 2017 didn’t start off well, missing time with illness before soundly losing a large portion of his carries to Damien Harris. Scarbrough still saw decent production, but Nick Saban wisely limited his touches to maintain his health.

                            NOTE: I stand confused. The write you posted mentioned that size limits his breakaway speed...except he runs a 4.4 allegedly. Just confusing.

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                            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            NOTE: I stand confused. The write you posted mentioned that size limits his breakaway speed...except he runs a 4.4 allegedly. Just confusing.

                            There is more than one route to a 4.4. Simplified they are:

                            • fast acceleration (burst) with lower top end, and
                            • slower, but more sustained acceleration to a higher top end speed.

                            The fast accelerating, early speed RBs are the ones who "breakaway."

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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              NOTE: I stand confused. The write you posted mentioned that size limits his breakaway speed...except he runs a 4.4 allegedly. Just confusing.

                              There is more than one route to a 4.4. Simplified they are:

                              • fast acceleration (burst) with lower top end, and
                              • slower, but more sustained acceleration to a higher top end speed.

                              The fast accelerating, early speed RBs are the ones who "breakaway."

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                              mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                              @tour2ma said:

                              There is more than one route to a 4.4. Simplified they are:

                              • fast acceleration (burst) with lower top end, and
                              • slower, but more sustained acceleration to a higher top end speed.

                              The fast accelerating, early speed RBs are the ones who "breakaway."

                              The Mighty F = ma

                              This equation is one of the most useful in classical physics. It is a concise statement of Isaac Newton's Second Law of Motion, holding both the proportions and vectors of the Second Law. It translates as:

                              The net force on an object is equal to the mass of the object multiplied by the acceleration of the object.

                              Or some simply say:

                              Force equals mass times acceleration.

                              • Or why some guys are just harder to tackle and just get away, see I wasn't asleep during all of my physics classes. 😆
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                                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                lol... Well speed being the first derivative of acceleration I guess I could have just said it was the area under the curve that counts...

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                                  @tour2ma said:

                                  There is more than one route to a 4.4. Simplified they are:

                                  • fast acceleration (burst) with lower top end, and
                                  • slower, but more sustained acceleration to a higher top end speed.

                                  The fast accelerating, early speed RBs are the ones who "breakaway."

                                  The Mighty F = ma

                                  This equation is one of the most useful in classical physics. It is a concise statement of Isaac Newton's Second Law of Motion, holding both the proportions and vectors of the Second Law. It translates as:

                                  The net force on an object is equal to the mass of the object multiplied by the acceleration of the object.

                                  Or some simply say:

                                  Force equals mass times acceleration.

                                  • Or why some guys are just harder to tackle and just get away, see I wasn't asleep during all of my physics classes. 😆
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                                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                  @mjp28 said:

                                  The Mighty F = ma

                                  This equation is one of the most useful in classical physics. It is a concise statement of Isaac Newton's Second Law of Motion, holding both the proportions and vectors of the Second Law. It translates as:

                                  The net force on an object is equal to the mass of the object multiplied by the acceleration of the object.

                                  Or some simply say:

                                  Force equals mass times acceleration.

                                  • Or why some guys are just harder to tackle and just get away, see I wasn't asleep during all of my physics classes. 😆

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                                    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                                    ........I've never seen that show, ever. 😕

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                                      ........I've never seen that show, ever. 😕

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                                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                      @mjp28 said:

                                      ........I've never seen that show, ever. 😕

                                      Its the best comedy in two generations.

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                                        @mjp28 said:

                                        ........I've never seen that show, ever. 😕

                                        Its the best comedy in two generations.

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                                        @the-gipper said:

                                        Its the best comedy in two generations.

                                        nah. some of it is funny, but mostly weird and not funny at all. Even NCIS and NCIS-LA is a LOT funnier...

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                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          Its the best comedy in two generations.

                                          nah. some of it is funny, but mostly weird and not funny at all. Even NCIS and NCIS-LA is a LOT funnier...

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                                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                          @calfoxwc said:

                                          nah. some of it is funny, but mostly weird and not funny at all. Even NCIS and NCIS-LA is a LOT funnier...

                                          Yea, no..that's just stupid.

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