Nice Article/Interview for Baker Mayfield Enthusiasts
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He would embrace being the number 1 pick? No way. How nice of him.
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It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
True Rudolph is more of a pocket passer, but has far more flaws in his game than Mayfield. I've noted Mason is extremely well spoken in his interview at the Senior Bowl. I will dang guarantee you Baker will go off the board long before Mason does..
BTW, that CBS Mock that you were loving on has dropped Rudolph from #1 down to #21- Buffalo. They have Mayfield going #6 to the Jets, but if Denver doesn't land Cousins- he doesn't drop farther than #5, I've been saying for weeks the Colts are open for business and will listen to any offers for their #3 if anyone want to trade up for a QB. They have the Browns drafting Darnold #1- which I can get behind, They have us taking Joshua Jackson at #4, and that's the first time I've seen him going that thigh. Walter Football does have him rated as the #1 CB prospect, and Lord knows we need some help there. PS- Po is going to be so disappointed his bestest ever RB drops to #9 to San Fran.
True Rudolph is more of a pocket passer, but has far more flaws in his game than Mayfield. I've noted Mason is extremely well spoken in his interview at the Senior Bowl. I will dang guarantee you Baker will go off the board long before Mason does..
I don't know that he has more flaws. What are those flaws? While maybe Mayfield may go off the board before Rudolph....that does not mean he will be a better pro QB than Rudolph.
BTW, that CBS Mock that you were loving on has dropped Rudolph from #1 down to #21- Buffalo. They have Mayfield going #6 to the Jets
See...this is where even YOU have to learn the difference between a talent ranking and a mock draft. Mock drafts are designed to predict what NFL teams will do in the draft....NOT what the best talent is. A whole lotta rankings have Barkley as the best talent in this draft....but very few mock him to the Browns. Mocks are projections of what the person making it thinks what a team WILL do...not what they SHOULD do.
, but if Denver doesn't land Cousins- he doesn't drop farther than #5, I've been saying for weeks the Colts are open for business and will listen to any offers for their #3 if anyone want to trade up for a QB. They have the Browns drafting Darnold #1- which I can get behind, They have us taking Joshua Jackson at #4, and that's the first time I've seen him going that thigh. Walter Football does have him rated as the #1 CB prospect, and Lord knows we need some help there. PS- Po is going to be so disappointed his bestest ever RB drops to #9 to San Fran.
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True Rudolph is more of a pocket passer, but has far more flaws in his game than Mayfield. I've noted Mason is extremely well spoken in his interview at the Senior Bowl. I will dang guarantee you Baker will go off the board long before Mason does..
I don't know that he has more flaws. What are those flaws? While maybe Mayfield may go off the board before Rudolph....that does not mean he will be a better pro QB than Rudolph.
BTW, that CBS Mock that you were loving on has dropped Rudolph from #1 down to #21- Buffalo. They have Mayfield going #6 to the Jets
See...this is where even YOU have to learn the difference between a talent ranking and a mock draft. Mock drafts are designed to predict what NFL teams will do in the draft....NOT what the best talent is. A whole lotta rankings have Barkley as the best talent in this draft....but very few mock him to the Browns. Mocks are projections of what the person making it thinks what a team WILL do...not what they SHOULD do.
, but if Denver doesn't land Cousins- he doesn't drop farther than #5, I've been saying for weeks the Colts are open for business and will listen to any offers for their #3 if anyone want to trade up for a QB. They have the Browns drafting Darnold #1- which I can get behind, They have us taking Joshua Jackson at #4, and that's the first time I've seen him going that thigh. Walter Football does have him rated as the #1 CB prospect, and Lord knows we need some help there. PS- Po is going to be so disappointed his bestest ever RB drops to #9 to San Fran.
See...this is where even YOU have to learn the difference between a talent ranking and a mock draft. Mock drafts are designed to predict what NFL teams will do in the draft....NOT what the best talent is. A whole lotta rankings have Barkley as the best talent in this draft....but very few mock him to the Browns. Mocks are projections of what the person making it thinks what a team WILL do...not what they SHOULD do.
Yada, yada. I KNOW. Walter Football has Rudolph ranked as the #7th Qb, some scouts Walt talked to have him as a day three prospect. NFL.com ditto, 7th ranked QB prospect. Jeremiah doesn't even have Rudolph in his top 50 prospects (all positions). If you want to think we should draft Rudolph in the top 4, that's going to be a very minority opinion.
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It would take some doing to correlate starting NFL QBs by conference. A lot of the Big 12 flops never had me saying, wow, this guy looks like a potentially great NFL QB. Bradford may have made it to that level if he wasn't always hurt. Aikman started in the Big 12 before he transferred.
It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
How many star QBs did Syracuse and Pitt put in the NFL prior to McNabb and Marino? And how about So Miss before Favre? And Alcorn State before Steve McNair? And how about Miami of Ohio before Ben Rapen? Wisconsin before Russell Wilson (who transferred to Wisconsin)?
The problem I see in college football is the type of offenses QBs are being trained in haven't always been compatible to many NFL Offenses/Coaching Staffs/Systems/etc. The ones that are willing to utilize some of the offenses these kids come from seem to get more out of a Cam Newton or take your pick of an example.
We don't have time to get into detail. You just have to watch the QB enough to make a confident prediction. Some guys take time like Drew Drew Brees. After his 3rd year wth SD sporting the worst NFL record - they used their #1 overall pick on a QB. The rookie QB held out and Brees went 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl. Not everyone emerges at the same rate depending on what they have to overcome in learning curve and surrounding talent, etc.
Mayfield isn't going to be for everyone in here as you can see.
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It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
How many star QBs did Syracuse and Pitt put in the NFL prior to McNabb and Marino? And how about So Miss before Favre? And Alcorn State before Steve McNair? And how about Miami of Ohio before Ben Rapen? Wisconsin before Russell Wilson (who transferred to Wisconsin)?
The problem I see in college football is the type of offenses QBs are being trained in haven't always been compatible to many NFL Offenses/Coaching Staffs/Systems/etc. The ones that are willing to utilize some of the offenses these kids come from seem to get more out of a Cam Newton or take your pick of an example.
We don't have time to get into detail. You just have to watch the QB enough to make a confident prediction. Some guys take time like Drew Drew Brees. After his 3rd year wth SD sporting the worst NFL record - they used their #1 overall pick on a QB. The rookie QB held out and Brees went 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl. Not everyone emerges at the same rate depending on what they have to overcome in learning curve and surrounding talent, etc.
Mayfield isn't going to be for everyone in here as you can see.
How many star QBs did Syracuse and Pitt put in the NFL prior to McNabb and Marino? And how about So Miss before Favre? And Alcorn State before Steve McNair? And how about Miami of Ohio before Ben Rapen? Wisconsin before Russell Wilson (who transferred to Wisconsin)?
The problem I see in college football is the type of offenses QBs are being trained in haven't always been compatible to many NFL Offenses/Coaching Staffs/Systems/etc. The ones that are willing to utilize some of the offenses these kids come from seem to get more out of a Cam Newton or take your pick of an example.
We don't have time to get into detail. You just have to watch the QB enough to make a confident prediction. Some guys take time like Drew Drew Brees. After his 3rd year wth SD sporting the worst NFL record - they used their #1 overall pick on a QB. The rookie QB held out and Brees went 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl. Not everyone emerges at the same rate depending on what they have to overcome in learning curve and surrounding talent, etc.
Mayfield isn't going to be for everyone in here as you can see.
Yea what he said!! Baker Mayfield ?????????????????????????????
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I am a HUGE Baker Mayfield Fan. Interesting take here... https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/8/16953726/krupkas-baker-mayfield-film-room
That being said, I am most excited about the Team of successful football guys that we now have doing the selecting, so I'll be good with whomever their choice(s) may be.
Mike
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How many star QBs did Syracuse and Pitt put in the NFL prior to McNabb and Marino? And how about So Miss before Favre? And Alcorn State before Steve McNair? And how about Miami of Ohio before Ben Rapen? Wisconsin before Russell Wilson (who transferred to Wisconsin)?
The problem I see in college football is the type of offenses QBs are being trained in haven't always been compatible to many NFL Offenses/Coaching Staffs/Systems/etc. The ones that are willing to utilize some of the offenses these kids come from seem to get more out of a Cam Newton or take your pick of an example.
We don't have time to get into detail. You just have to watch the QB enough to make a confident prediction. Some guys take time like Drew Drew Brees. After his 3rd year wth SD sporting the worst NFL record - they used their #1 overall pick on a QB. The rookie QB held out and Brees went 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl. Not everyone emerges at the same rate depending on what they have to overcome in learning curve and surrounding talent, etc.
Mayfield isn't going to be for everyone in here as you can see.
Yea what he said!! Baker Mayfield ?????????????????????????????
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I have been reading that Rudolph is sort of a one trick pony. He has a great talent for looking, finding, and hitting the long pass. But is not so good at throwing the out patterns, which is a must in nfl.
I have been saying that Indys #3 pick is key to the first round of picks. Ideally the Brown's should quickly deal their 4th pick with their late 2nd for it. Then if want Mayfly over Darnold or whoever, they can take Barkley/Fitz/Chubb at one, or still take qb at one and trade three on draft day to highest bidder getting a boatload more picks or stock up for next year's draft.
Mayfly just doesn't warrant the number one pick.
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Here's where I'm at now: If there was a way to combine 2 qb's, I'd smush together Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield. I love the physical aspects of Rosen and the way he spins the rock, but I really believe the intangibles of Mayfield are going to prove invaluable. Our team is historically awful, and we need a guy who just isn't afraid of our challenge, but who EMBRACES it. I'm placing a very high importance on this, and I think our GM will too.
This is not a dig on Rosen, as I still believe he's the best "start now" prospect entering the draft. But that's not the only thing to look at concerning our unique situation because we've just been THAT bad. We need a guy who can lift our team up, inspire greatness from others, and someone who won't accept continuous losing. Just watch Baker before his college games. Watch how infectious his attitude is, his fire, drive...and check out how his team responds. They're jumping around him, bouncing around, completely ready to go into battle. Baker is also very accurate and really attacks the middle of the field VERY well.
At this early stage, my guy is Mayfield, and I think that's where we are leaning at this moment.
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Hard to disagree with flugel on just about anything. I guess if there was a gun to my head I would take Rosen or Darnold. But I would not be the slightest bit unhappy if they took Mayfield especially at number 4.
It really is hard not to like the kid. As far as pre-draft interviews, seriously, who cares? Unless a kid came out and said man I want to play for the Browns even if they trade down to the second round to get me. Everybody wants to be picked high and everybody wants to take that team to the promised land. And there's no reason to believe that he's a head case. I really liked Johnny but he had serious mental problems, that had nothing to do with what conference he played in or how tall he was.
Plus, for what it's worth, Bob Stoops loves the kid.
Grabbing his pecker towards the opponent? Good. We could use a little bit of the ghost of Chris gardocki.
WSS
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Two Words:
Big 12.
History says we are better off going FCS....or mid major. Or Big Ten/Pac 10/SEC.
Two Words:
Big 12.
History says we are better off going FCS....or mid major. Or Big Ten/Pac 10/SEC.
Roethlisburger has 2 SB rings, yet he played for my alma mater, Miami University, in the MAC conference. Talent is where you find it.
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Hard to disagree with flugel on just about anything. I guess if there was a gun to my head I would take Rosen or Darnold. But I would not be the slightest bit unhappy if they took Mayfield especially at number 4.
It really is hard not to like the kid. As far as pre-draft interviews, seriously, who cares? Unless a kid came out and said man I want to play for the Browns even if they trade down to the second round to get me. Everybody wants to be picked high and everybody wants to take that team to the promised land. And there's no reason to believe that he's a head case. I really liked Johnny but he had serious mental problems, that had nothing to do with what conference he played in or how tall he was.
Plus, for what it's worth, Bob Stoops loves the kid.
Grabbing his pecker towards the opponent? Good. We could use a little bit of the ghost of Chris gardocki.
WSS
Hard to disagree with flugel on just about anything. I guess if there was a gun to my head I would take Rosen or Darnold. But I would not be the slightest bit unhappy if they took Mayfield especially at number 4.
It really is hard not to like the kid. As far as pre-draft interviews, seriously, who cares? Unless a kid came out and said man I want to play for the Browns even if they trade down to the second round to get me. Everybody wants to be picked high and everybody wants to take that team to the promised land. And there's no reason to believe that he's a head case. I really liked Johnny but he had serious mental problems, that had nothing to do with what conference he played in or how tall he was.
Plus, for what it's worth, Bob Stoops loves the kid.
Grabbing his pecker towards the opponent? Good. We could use a little bit of the ghost of Chris gardocki.
WSS
If we have a clear #1 QB in mind among the 1st 3, then we just need to take him. No f'n around, no trading down, no Barkely or anyone else @ #1.
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Hard to disagree with flugel on just about anything. I guess if there was a gun to my head I would take Rosen or Darnold. But I would not be the slightest bit unhappy if they took Mayfield especially at number 4.
It really is hard not to like the kid. As far as pre-draft interviews, seriously, who cares? Unless a kid came out and said man I want to play for the Browns even if they trade down to the second round to get me. Everybody wants to be picked high and everybody wants to take that team to the promised land. And there's no reason to believe that he's a head case. I really liked Johnny but he had serious mental problems, that had nothing to do with what conference he played in or how tall he was.
Plus, for what it's worth, Bob Stoops loves the kid.
Grabbing his pecker towards the opponent? Good. We could use a little bit of the ghost of Chris gardocki.
WSS
If we have a clear #1 QB in mind among the 1st 3, then we just need to take him. No f'n around, no trading down, no Barkely or anyone else @ #1.
If we have a clear #1 QB in mind among the 1st 3, then we just need to take him. No f'n around, no trading down, no Barkely or anyone else @ #1.
Oh I agree with that, it's just that I wouldn't be heartbroken if we wound up with Baker Mayfield.
WSS
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If we have a clear #1 QB in mind among the 1st 3, then we just need to take him. No f'n around, no trading down, no Barkely or anyone else @ #1.
Oh I agree with that, it's just that I wouldn't be heartbroken if we wound up with Baker Mayfield.
WSS
Oh I agree with that, it's just that I wouldn't be heartbroken if we wound up with Baker Mayfield.
WSS
After hearing the Movin' The Chains guys from Sirius XM saying he was the best all week at the Senior Bowl and definitely not JM, I tend to agree Steve. They think he and Rosen are the two best ready for the NFL right now. They think he has all the throws and the leadership skills you need to move an offense. And eats, sleeps, lives football.
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Two Words:
Big 12.
History says we are better off going FCS....or mid major. Or Big Ten/Pac 10/SEC.
Roethlisburger has 2 SB rings, yet he played for my alma mater, Miami University, in the MAC conference. Talent is where you find it.
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I have been reading that Rudolph is sort of a one trick pony. He has a great talent for looking, finding, and hitting the long pass. But is not so good at throwing the out patterns, which is a must in nfl.
I have been saying that Indys #3 pick is key to the first round of picks. Ideally the Brown's should quickly deal their 4th pick with their late 2nd for it. Then if want Mayfly over Darnold or whoever, they can take Barkley/Fitz/Chubb at one, or still take qb at one and trade three on draft day to highest bidder getting a boatload more picks or stock up for next year's draft.
Mayfly just doesn't warrant the number one pick.
I have been reading that Rudolph is sort of a one trick pony. He has a great talent for looking, finding, and hitting the long pass. But is not so good at throwing the out patterns, which is a must in nfl.
I have been saying that Indys #3 pick is key to the first round of picks. Ideally the Brown's should quickly deal their 4th pick with their late 2nd for it. Then if want Mayfly over Darnold or whoever, they can take Barkley/Fitz/Chubb at one, or still take qb at one and trade three on draft day to highest bidder getting a boatload more picks or stock up for next year's draft.
Mayfly just doesn't warrant the number one pick.
I'll just say this- if you think a guy is worth the #3 or #4 pick, he's probably worth the #1. That's if we're talking quarterback. I forgot where I saw it, but it sort of goes, if you think taking anything other than a potential franchise quarterback over a position player at #1, you need to get on a Space X to Mars....
Regarding Rudolph. Here's part of the report from Walter Football:
Rudolph will need development as a pro. He will have to work on his shaky accuracy and field vision, plus get used to playing under center and calling plays in the huddle. Rudolph is also not very athletic, though he has good size with average arm strength. Going through progressions and reading the field are problems for Rudolph, and he has to improve there for the NFL. His anticipation is terrible, too, and that will have to improve for the pros, or he could be taking a lot of sacks from holding onto the ball too long.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#dGibmr2fwhT507Jx.99 -
The person making the argument Baker sucks because of his conference is the same person jacking his beans over Mason Rudolph...who’s in the same conference.
You can’t make this stuff up, folks.
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The person making the argument Baker sucks because of his conference is the same person jacking his beans over Mason Rudolph...who’s in the same conference.
You can’t make this stuff up, folks.
The person making the argument Baker sucks because of his conference is the same person jacking his beans over Mason Rudolph...who’s in the same conference.
You can’t make this stuff up, folks.
Or getting a woody over a guy who completes 56% of his passes in the Mountain West.
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Obviously QBs are just like women. One person can fall in love with one that others think is ugly. It's all about beauty being in eyes of beholder. No one is right or wrong until several years have passed and we see who is still married to whom. Just like with a woman, there is allot more to judge them on than looks or first impressions. Some guys/teams like only the tall sturdy ones vs shorter allusive ones, some are happiest with ones with big breasts (strong arms) vs nice figure (proper form & accuracy), and there are those who want a great face (head & brains) vs those who want a great body (the right measureables).
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I have been reading that Rudolph is sort of a one trick pony. He has a great talent for looking, finding, and hitting the long pass. But is not so good at throwing the out patterns, which is a must in nfl.
I have been saying that Indys #3 pick is key to the first round of picks. Ideally the Brown's should quickly deal their 4th pick with their late 2nd for it. Then if want Mayfly over Darnold or whoever, they can take Barkley/Fitz/Chubb at one, or still take qb at one and trade three on draft day to highest bidder getting a boatload more picks or stock up for next year's draft.
Mayfly just doesn't warrant the number one pick.
I have been saying that Indys #3 pick is key to the first round of picks. - SBF
Me too and we aren't the only ones. I brought it up in a couple threads. This keeps feeling like the most likely scenario to me:
Pick #1: If the biggest reason Dorsey was hired is to get the QB position right in the draft, why would he kick the pick of the litter at QB off our doorstep at #1 for a RB (especially in a draft much deeper at RB than it is at potential franchise QBs)? Not only that but there's a very good chance the early run on QBs pushes him right on our door step at #4 anyway.
Pick #2: As soon as Cleveland took the 1st QB off the board (and it's conceivable that QB might not even be the Giants' favorite QB) - why would they kick their pick of the litter at QB off their door step for a RB? The timing couldn't be any better for them to draft their QB of the future.
Pick #3: A decreasing supply for a huge demand does what? Creates enough desperation for some competition for a trade-up for Indy's 3rd pick among the following teams: Denver at pick #5; NY Jets at pick #6; Miami Dolphins at pick #11; Arizona Cardinals at pick #15; Buffalo Bills at picks #21 and #22; Jacksonville at #29. I'd love to promote this NFL version of Wrestlemania with "If Elway ain't cryin - you ain't tryin!"
Pick #4: Cleveland can draft Barkley or whoever they want. - Flugel
Ideally the Brown's should quickly deal their 4th pick with their late 2nd for it. Then if want Mayfly over Darnold or whoever, they can take Barkley/Fitz/Chubb at one, or still take qb at one and trade three on draft day to highest bidder getting a boatload more picks or stock up for next year's draft. - SBF
We have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds and the very 1st pick of the 3rd round on a team lacking play makers and consistency at WR, CB, TE, S and RBs not named Duke; so I'd keep all our picks (except 1 of the 2nd rounders we might lose on a veteran FA QB). That said, the time may be perfect to get ideal exchange value for Josh Gordon at the draft (possibly adding Corey Coleman to that deal). Hear me out... We also have enough money to lasso the yes price tag of FA Pro Bowl WR Jarvis Landry. It isn't like we've gotten more than 5 games in a season out of Gordon since 2013 (and that's been his best case scenario). As much as I liked where he got himself to last year - he could bring us some currency. - Flugel
I have been reading that Rudolph is sort of a one trick pony. He has a great talent for looking, finding, and hitting the long pass. But is not so good at throwing the out patterns, which is a must in nfl. - SBF
Good point. That all worked against the pass defenses or the lack thereof in his conference. It may even work as temporarily as it worked for Derek Anderson in the NFL. Sooner or later, if you have too many deficiencies in your short game - those out patterns and tight windows of NFL red zones are going to confine you to backup duty at best. - Flugel
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