2018 QB Class
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actually that is simple - the first three games were vs far superior defenses than the talent on his offense.
The second three - his offense was competitive in skill, and he led them to wins. Nobody is an altar boy. But Flugels wallows in the same rosenbum mire - stats don't tell the whole story.
For instance:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2580349-why-i-drafted-jay-cutler-and-what-happened-from-there
"But then there's something we only recently began using called the "Human Resource Tactics" test, which gauges various aspects of a player's character makeup. Cutler's "Mental Quickness" score is off the charts. Two other numbers are not. His "Self Confidence" score is average. It should be higher than that. His "Focus and Social Maturity" score is worrisome. "
I would say Allen has excellent Self Confidence and Focus and Social Maturity. Cutler lacked those to a serious degree - actually, rosenbum sounds very much like Cutler in that regard - poor social maturity/arrogant/not a leader.
Mayfield, Jackson, and Allen seem to be the guys with the excellent social maturity, self-confidence and leadership of the group of top qbs.
I sneeze in rosenbum's direction.
actually that is simple - the first three games were vs far superior defenses than the talent on his offense.
The second three - his offense was competitive in skill, and he led them to wins. Nobody is an altar boy. But Flugels wallows in the same rosenbum mire - stats don't tell the whole story.
For instance:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2580349-why-i-drafted-jay-cutler-and-what-happened-from-there
"But then there's something we only recently began using called the "Human Resource Tactics" test, which gauges various aspects of a player's character makeup. Cutler's "Mental Quickness" score is off the charts. Two other numbers are not. His "Self Confidence" score is average. It should be higher than that. His "Focus and Social Maturity" score is worrisome. "
I would say Allen has excellent Self Confidence and Focus and Social Maturity. Cutler lacked those to a serious degree - actually, rosenbum sounds very much like Cutler in that regard - poor social maturity/arrogant/not a leader.
Mayfield, Jackson, and Allen seem to be the guys with the excellent social maturity, self-confidence and leadership of the group of top qbs.
I sneeze in rosenbum's direction.
Oh no you DITNT! You would say he has excellent self confidence but the games he played that you never watched slam dunked otherwise. I posted the inconvenient numbers you played dodge ball with. In fact, how many times have you ever watched him play an entire game throughout his entire scholarship? You didn't even watch the Senior Bowl so it's hard to take your gigantic fondness of the complete stranger you've never committed as much as 60 minutes of viewing time to seriously here. You really don't know that much about how he competes nor have you tried to.
And Cal, how many times can you Budweiser Frog us the "yeah-but, he's a great kid." That's a real game changer on the field of play let me tell you man. I have nothing to do with why many scouts and fans think Rosen has way more accuracy and consistency than Allen has - just like I had no bearing on which kid was way more heavily recruited out of high school. Just because you don't like Rosen doesn't make Allen a more talented QB. Sorry - it doesn't work that way. Allen only had 16 TD passes in 2017 against a lot of corners that won't even be playing in the NFL. What do you want me to find so exciting about that especially in pertinence to round 1? He had the same coach as Carson Wentz? Oh, that changes everything! Does he also sit up straight at the dinner table and put the napkin in his lap? And make sure you tell your readers he uses words like "please" and "thank you" Cal. That'll make a huge difference.
If you want to keep going pedal to the metal Dr Frankensteining up a QB that only exists during REM sleep and between your 2 ears then run it man. The 2 things that I hope keep him as far away from our team as possible are - he's inconsistent and he never escalates the play of those around him. Rosen has nothing to do with that.
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actually that is simple - the first three games were vs far superior defenses than the talent on his offense.
The second three - his offense was competitive in skill, and he led them to wins. Nobody is an altar boy. But Flugels wallows in the same rosenbum mire - stats don't tell the whole story.
For instance:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2580349-why-i-drafted-jay-cutler-and-what-happened-from-there
"But then there's something we only recently began using called the "Human Resource Tactics" test, which gauges various aspects of a player's character makeup. Cutler's "Mental Quickness" score is off the charts. Two other numbers are not. His "Self Confidence" score is average. It should be higher than that. His "Focus and Social Maturity" score is worrisome. "
I would say Allen has excellent Self Confidence and Focus and Social Maturity. Cutler lacked those to a serious degree - actually, rosenbum sounds very much like Cutler in that regard - poor social maturity/arrogant/not a leader.
Mayfield, Jackson, and Allen seem to be the guys with the excellent social maturity, self-confidence and leadership of the group of top qbs.
I sneeze in rosenbum's direction.
Mayfield, Jackson, and Allen seem to be the guys with the excellent social maturity, self-confidence and leadership of the group of top qbs.
I sneeze in rosenbum's direction.
Baker Mayfield, the guy who has a run-in with cops, grabs his crotch on the sideline and screams "Shmuck You" at the opposing team, and just days ago trolls some high school kid going to Texas on Twitter has "excellent social maturity".
Laughable.
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In fact, how many times have you ever watched him play an entire game throughout his entire scholarship? You didn't even watch the Senior Bowl so it's hard to take your gigantic fondness of the complete stranger you've never committed as much as 60 minutes of viewing time to seriously here. You really don't know that much about how he competes nor have you tried to.
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that's odd, I watch most of his games his senior year, highlights of what he's capable of for more than that. I didn't watch the senior bowl, but your rosiebum poster boy wasn't in the senior bowl. He played "no mas" for his bowl game. I know you love him, I don't care - he's not the guy I would ever draft. Period. There is moresies than prettysies in drafting a face of yer franchise, edgar.
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Mayfield, Jackson, and Allen seem to be the guys with the excellent social maturity, self-confidence and leadership of the group of top qbs.
I sneeze in rosenbum's direction.
Baker Mayfield, the guy who has a run-in with cops, grabs his crotch on the sideline and screams "Shmuck You" at the opposing team, and just days ago trolls some high school kid going to Texas on Twitter has "excellent social maturity".
Laughable.
Baker Mayfield, the guy who has a run-in with cops, grabs his crotch on the sideline and screams "Shmuck You" at the opposing team, and just days ago trolls some high school kid going to Texas on Twitter has "excellent social maturity".
Laughable.
"Social Maturity. Definition. Social maturity involves learning to properly relate to acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. It involves understanding how to honor and respect those in authority.Sep 25, 2013"So, Mayfield is loved by his college fans, acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. He understands and honors and respects those in authority, except one time when he was stupid drunk.He just doesn't like the enemy opponents. Now, do you see "enemy opponents" in the definition above? Why, you just keep a lookin, and let us know when you find it, db. -
Baker Mayfield, the guy who has a run-in with cops, grabs his crotch on the sideline and screams "Shmuck You" at the opposing team, and just days ago trolls some high school kid going to Texas on Twitter has "excellent social maturity".
Laughable.
"Social Maturity. Definition. Social maturity involves learning to properly relate to acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. It involves understanding how to honor and respect those in authority.Sep 25, 2013"So, Mayfield is loved by his college fans, acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. He understands and honors and respects those in authority, except one time when he was stupid drunk.He just doesn't like the enemy opponents. Now, do you see "enemy opponents" in the definition above? Why, you just keep a lookin, and let us know when you find it, db."Social Maturity. Definition. Social maturity involves learning to properly relate to acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. It involves understanding how to honor and respect those in authority.Sep 25, 2013"So, Mayfield is loved by his college fans, acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. He understands and honors and respects those in authority, except one time when he was stupid drunk.He just doesn't like the enemy opponents. Now, do you see "enemy opponents" in the definition above? Why, you just keep a lookin, and let us know when you find it, db.As usual, you've cherry-picked what fits what you are saying and disregard what doesn't fit.
He's not a mature individual, regardless of how you want to ignore his character flaws but drone on about Rosen's....
And this upcoming season, how about you and I meet up in person before a Browns game? I'd love to have you call me a "db" to my face, cal.
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"Social Maturity. Definition. Social maturity involves learning to properly relate to acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. It involves understanding how to honor and respect those in authority.Sep 25, 2013"So, Mayfield is loved by his college fans, acquaintances, family, neighbors, friends, and intimate relationships. He understands and honors and respects those in authority, except one time when he was stupid drunk.He just doesn't like the enemy opponents. Now, do you see "enemy opponents" in the definition above? Why, you just keep a lookin, and let us know when you find it, db.
As usual, you've cherry-picked what fits what you are saying and disregard what doesn't fit.
He's not a mature individual, regardless of how you want to ignore his character flaws but drone on about Rosen's....
And this upcoming season, how about you and I meet up in person before a Browns game? I'd love to have you call me a "db" to my face, cal.
And this upcoming season, how about you and I meet up in person before a Browns game? I'd love to have you call me a "db" to my face, cal.
Oh yeah, please, we just need another long thread about a fight that's never taking place between two grownups, just like the Ghoolie vs Zombo one.
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And this upcoming season, how about you and I meet up in person before a Browns game? I'd love to have you call me a "db" to my face, cal.
Oh yeah, please, we just need another long thread about a fight that's never taking place between two grownups, just like the Ghoolie vs Zombo one.
Oh yeah, please, we just need another long thread about a fight that's never taking place between two grownups, just like the Ghoolie vs Zombo one.
I don't think there would be a fight Nero, I've just always wanted to meet a walking, talking vagina wearing a red MAGA hat. It would be a helluva story!
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Oh yeah, please, we just need another long thread about a fight that's never taking place between two grownups, just like the Ghoolie vs Zombo one.
I don't think there would be a fight Nero, I've just always wanted to meet a walking, talking vagina wearing a red MAGA hat. It would be a helluva story!
I don't think there would be a fight Nero, I've just always wanted to meet a walking, talking vagina wearing a red MAGA hat. It would be a helluva story!
People hating each other over a 0-16 team doesn't make a helluva story either...
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In fact, how many times have you ever watched him play an entire game throughout his entire scholarship? You didn't even watch the Senior Bowl so it's hard to take your gigantic fondness of the complete stranger you've never committed as much as 60 minutes of viewing time to seriously here. You really don't know that much about how he competes nor have you tried to.
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that's odd, I watch most of his games his senior year, highlights of what he's capable of for more than that. I didn't watch the senior bowl, but your rosiebum poster boy wasn't in the senior bowl. He played "no mas" for his bowl game. I know you love him, I don't care - he's not the guy I would ever draft. Period. There is moresies than prettysies in drafting a face of yer franchise, edgar.
In fact, how many times have you ever watched him play an entire game throughout his entire scholarship? You didn't even watch the Senior Bowl so it's hard to take your gigantic fondness of the complete stranger you've never committed as much as 60 minutes of viewing time to seriously here. You really don't know that much about how he competes nor have you tried to.
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that's odd, I watch most of his games his senior year, highlights of what he's capable of for more than that. I didn't watch the senior bowl, but your rosiebum poster boy wasn't in the senior bowl. He played "no mas" for his bowl game. I know you love him, I don't care - he's not the guy I would ever draft. Period. There is moresies than prettysies in drafting a face of yer franchise, edgar.
You admire social maturity and give me a reply like this?
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In fact, how many times have you ever watched him play an entire game throughout his entire scholarship? You didn't even watch the Senior Bowl so it's hard to take your gigantic fondness of the complete stranger you've never committed as much as 60 minutes of viewing time to seriously here. You really don't know that much about how he competes nor have you tried to.
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that's odd, I watch most of his games his senior year, highlights of what he's capable of for more than that. I didn't watch the senior bowl, but your rosiebum poster boy wasn't in the senior bowl. He played "no mas" for his bowl game. I know you love him, I don't care - he's not the guy I would ever draft. Period. There is moresies than prettysies in drafting a face of yer franchise, edgar.
You admire social maturity and give me a reply like this?
You admire social maturity and give me a reply like this?
What goes around, comes around. God Bless Ya !
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I don't think there would be a fight Nero, I've just always wanted to meet a walking, talking vagina wearing a red MAGA hat. It would be a helluva story!
People hating each other over a 0-16 team doesn't make a helluva story either...
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Manziel definitely sucked. Even if he was a choir boy, Manziel would have still sucked.
Manziel definitely sucked. Even if he was a choir boy, Manziel would have still sucked.
But Johhny threw for 69% completions.
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Manziel definitely sucked. Even if he was a choir boy, Manziel would have still sucked.
But Johhny threw for 69% completions.
But Johhny threw for 69% completions.
And he won the Heisman Trophy as a sophomore, sucks? They just don't have a raffle for those I think.
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Manziel definitely sucked. Even if he was a choir boy, Manziel would have still sucked.
But Johhny threw for 69% completions.
But Johhny threw for 69% completions.
Having a good college completion percentage does not guarantee success in the NFL. But having a bad one in college is a surefire guarantee that you will fail in the pros. Completion percentage doesn't tend to go up when the windows get smaller.
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But Johhny threw for 69% completions.
Having a good college completion percentage does not guarantee success in the NFL. But having a bad one in college is a surefire guarantee that you will fail in the pros. Completion percentage doesn't tend to go up when the windows get smaller.
Having a good college completion percentage does not guarantee success in the NFL. But having a bad one in college is a surefire guarantee that you will fail in the pros. Completion percentage doesn't tend to go up when the windows get smaller.
Brady, Brees and Farve all improved. All will be 1st ballot HOFers.
Yeah, but Im comparing Josh Allen to the best. Yup, exactly!
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Having a good college completion percentage does not guarantee success in the NFL. But having a bad one in college is a surefire guarantee that you will fail in the pros. Completion percentage doesn't tend to go up when the windows get smaller.
Brady, Brees and Farve all improved. All will be 1st ballot HOFers.
Yeah, but Im comparing Josh Allen to the best. Yup, exactly!
Brady, Brees and Farve all improved. All will be 1st ballot HOFers.
Yeah, but Im comparing Josh Allen to the best. Yup, exactly!
They did the same with Jamarcus Russell.
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What goes around, comes around. God Bless Ya !
I said I didn't think Josh Allen is a top 3 QB - still don't.
If you want a QB that is over 6'4" that can also run, that has a strong arm but isn't accurate - we already have that guy (DeShone Kizer). And he wasn't drafted within the 1st 4 picks of the draft. That said, he threw a lot more than 16 TD passes against better corners in his last year of college football.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
What goes around, comes around. God Bless Ya !
I said I didn't think Josh Allen is a top 3 QB - still don't.
If you want a QB that is over 6'4" that can also run, that has a strong arm but isn't accurate - we already have that guy (DeShone Kizer). And he wasn't drafted within the 1st 4 picks of the draft. That said, he threw a lot more than 16 TD passes against better corners in his last year of college football.
I said I didn't think Josh Allen is a top 3 QB - still don't.
If you want a QB that is over 6'4" that can also run, that has a strong arm but isn't accurate - we already have that guy (DeShone Kizer). And he wasn't drafted within the 1st 4 picks of the draft. That said, he threw a lot more than 16 TD passes against better corners in his last year of college football.
This is what I don't understand. It's not like we didn't just watch an entire season of Josh Kizer...I mean Deshone Allen....no..I mean..whatever...they're the same guy with the same inaccuracy issues. One is white...one is black. I'm sure they're both extremely nice guys and will work hard and try really hard and want to be the QB that turns around the Browns franchise. But neither one of them is good enough to do it.
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I said I didn't think Josh Allen is a top 3 QB - still don't.
If you want a QB that is over 6'4" that can also run, that has a strong arm but isn't accurate - we already have that guy (DeShone Kizer). And he wasn't drafted within the 1st 4 picks of the draft. That said, he threw a lot more than 16 TD passes against better corners in his last year of college football.
This is what I don't understand. It's not like we didn't just watch an entire season of Josh Kizer...I mean Deshone Allen....no..I mean..whatever...they're the same guy with the same inaccuracy issues. One is white...one is black. I'm sure they're both extremely nice guys and will work hard and try really hard and want to be the QB that turns around the Browns franchise. But neither one of them is good enough to do it.
This is what I don't understand. It's not like we didn't just watch an entire season of Josh Kizer...I mean Deshone Allen....no..I mean..whatever...they're the same guy with the same inaccuracy issues. One is white...one is black. I'm sure they're both extremely nice guys and will work hard and try really hard and want to be the QB that turns around the Browns franchise. But neither one of them is good enough to do it.
And Kizer was taken with, what, the 52nd overall pick? There's people on this board that are suggesting the Browns use the #1 or #4 overall pick on a project like Allen.
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