Joe Covets Kirk .....
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Do you think Joe ran it by the front office before texting ....I mean if the FO has no interest in Cousins and then Kirk had replied OK I will join the Browns, even in a joke text.. someone will look a fool.....
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Refresh my memory, but were you the person who was arguing with me that Alex Smith is garbage? (I honestly don't remember who I had that debate with...)
That's me. I think Alex Smith is a below average starter. Wasn't worth the money or the picks the redskins gave up. He's light years better than McCown tho
That's me. I think Alex Smith is a below average starter. Wasn't worth the money or the picks the redskins gave up. He's light years better than McCown tho
QUESTION: Would be be a vast improvement, minor improvement, no improvement or a negative effect over the 2017 BROWNS?
I think this would go for any FA or prospective draftees.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
I’ll have to disagree on both counts. McCown has thrown for over 4000 yards for each of the last three years while throwing 81-36 TD-INT ratio. Also, the redskins aren’t particularly good at anything. Browns have a better O line, and way more upside on defense. While Kirk played well, most of the rest of the team was either hurt or shitty. They didn’t have a single player to rack up 1000 yards from scrimmage, but even the lowly browns had 2 such players. Hell, Gordon is better than any of the skill positions in Washington. It’s ilpressive that Cousins was above .500 on that team as the starting QB for every game of the last 3 years.
There is nothing exciting about the redskins, and they would’ve gone 0-16 with Kizer under center as he would’ve had even less time to get the ball out and even worse offensive weapons than Cleveland.
All of this still doesn’t take into account the sheer volume of cap space and draft picks the browns could use to build around Cousins. Cousins may not be Tom Brady, but if he can take the potatoes to the playoffs, he can certainly do it here.
Theres a reason the Redskins wanted Alex Smith and not Kirk Cousins.. Just look at his record against .500 teams, Analytics says no way in hell would they pay a guy beau coup money with the inconsistencies he has.. Hes a nice QB , don't get me wrong. But hes not Garropolo or even Alex Smith good as far as talent goes... Id rather cut the crap.. Draft your guy.. bring in a solid bridge guy.. then BAM!.. your on your way.. "hopefully"...
Theres a reason the Redskins wanted Alex Smith and not Kirk Cousins.. Just look at his record against .500 teams, Analytics says no way in hell would they pay a guy beau coup money with the inconsistencies he has.. Hes a nice QB , don't get me wrong. But hes not Garropolo or even Alex Smith good as far as talent goes... Id rather cut the crap.. Draft your guy.. bring in a solid bridge guy.. then BAM!.. your on your way.. "hopefully"...
Alex Smith isn’t as good as Cousins in my opinion. Smith had a considerably better team with real life playmakers and won a few more games because of it, but then he crapped his pants in the playoffs all the same. Cousins didn’t win against winning teams because the team he was on is a rat Sheet, but football is still a team sport.
I’m all on board for drafting the QB of the future this year and hoping he works out, but building a team around a proven QB who still has 6-8 good years left in the tank would be ok with me as well.
Edit: I forgot to add that the NFL is laughing at the redskins for choosing smith over Cousins. When’s the last time the redskins have done something smart? Dan Snyder is one of the few owners in the league who can beat out Haslam for the moron trophy.
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I’ll have to disagree on both counts. McCown has thrown for over 4000 yards for each of the last three years while throwing 81-36 TD-INT ratio. Also, the redskins aren’t particularly good at anything. Browns have a better O line, and way more upside on defense. While Kirk played well, most of the rest of the team was either hurt or shitty. They didn’t have a single player to rack up 1000 yards from scrimmage, but even the lowly browns had 2 such players. Hell, Gordon is better than any of the skill positions in Washington. It’s ilpressive that Cousins was above .500 on that team as the starting QB for every game of the last 3 years.
There is nothing exciting about the redskins, and they would’ve gone 0-16 with Kizer under center as he would’ve had even less time to get the ball out and even worse offensive weapons than Cleveland.
All of this still doesn’t take into account the sheer volume of cap space and draft picks the browns could use to build around Cousins. Cousins may not be Tom Brady, but if he can take the potatoes to the playoffs, he can certainly do it here.
Theres a reason the Redskins wanted Alex Smith and not Kirk Cousins.. Just look at his record against .500 teams, Analytics says no way in hell would they pay a guy beau coup money with the inconsistencies he has.. Hes a nice QB , don't get me wrong. But hes not Garropolo or even Alex Smith good as far as talent goes... Id rather cut the crap.. Draft your guy.. bring in a solid bridge guy.. then BAM!.. your on your way.. "hopefully"...
Analytics says no way in hell would they pay a guy beau coup money with the inconsistencies he has..
But who would be the analytics guy? Depo, the QB guru, who said Wentz wouldn't be a top 20 QB?
I think Hue wants McCarron badly. And I think Dorsey is frothing at the prospect of drafting a QB at #1. - Does Haslam stay the hell out of it? Or is HE gonna choose the QB again?
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That's me. I think Alex Smith is a below average starter. Wasn't worth the money or the picks the redskins gave up. He's light years better than McCown tho
QUESTION: Would be be a vast improvement, minor improvement, no improvement or a negative effect over the 2017 BROWNS?
I think this would go for any FA or prospective draftees.
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Is there a site where you can find what haslem is paying Dorsey,Wolfe,Depo, or Scott McCloughan? thanks!
I think Hue wants McCarron badly. - Does Haslam stay the hell out of it? Or is HE gonna choose the QB again?
Hue & our new RG Zeitler & Haslam should form a opinion on McCarron..but The 4 Horseman should get canned on their own, for their decisions..but your right
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Joe Thomas has hit untouchable status. A rare thing for a player. Cut me, trade me, maybe l’ll play again, maybe l won’t. He will speak his mind without worry of repercussions. Earned the right? Sure he has. What you gonna do? Cut a future hall of famer?
But should be taken with a grain of salt. He wants to play in the best situation possible if he’s gonna play again. Can you blame him?
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if we do sign cousins it will do two things
1) make a lot of f.a qb's very happy by setting a new standard on qb pay
2) piss off a lot of cap stressed teams by driving the market up
if we do sign cousins it will do two things
1) make a lot of f.a qb's very happy by setting a new standard on qb pay
2) piss off a lot of cap stressed teams by driving the market up
Considering the most likely scenario that the Browns would have to overpay like a mother to get him, I would imagine the NFLPA would do cartwheels!
I just can't see him not getting a healthy offer from a team that hasn't gone 1-31 the last two seasons.
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Give Joe what he wants. It's what's best for the Browns!!!
Joe has how many quality years left? Or you've missed all the pre-draft chatter that the Browns should be proactive draft, and start grooming his replacement? Sure he can say what he wants- as a lock HOFer he's earned the right. He also has collected enough cash that he's set for life regardless if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft- and if we're picking up a FA QB, that's going to happen a month before April 26th.
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Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!
IMO Cousins is better than any of the top QBs in this draft will ever be. Plus I'm not willing to wait a couple of seasons for a QB drafted this year to be ready to lead the Browns offense. I want wins, and I want them NOW.
Acquiring Cousins adds a legitimate NFL QB to the Browns' roster - something that they haven't enjoyed in recent memory. Cousins would be their QB for at least five years, lending stability to the most important position. Finally, grabbing him before the draft provides incredible flexibility to the Browns' draft strategy.
I want to see the Browns relevant again. I don't care what it costs - it's not my money. The money is there to be SPENT to improve the team, not saved for a rainy day.
Give Joe what he wants. Get Cousins at any cost.
1) IMO Cousins is better than any of the top QBs in this draft will ever be. Plus I'm not willing to wait a couple of seasons for a QB drafted this year to be ready to lead the Browns offense. I want wins, and I want them NOW.
2) Acquiring Cousins adds a legitimate NFL QB to the Browns' roster - something that they haven't enjoyed in recent memory. Cousins would be their QB for at least five years, lending stability to the most important position. Finally, grabbing him before the draft provides incredible flexibility to the Browns' draft strategy.
3) I want to see the Browns relevant again. I don't care what it costs - it's not my money. The money is there to be SPENT to improve the team, not saved for a rainy day.
Give Joe what he wants. Get Cousins at any cost.
1) A: No way you can say that about the 2018 qb draft, you have a crystal ball that tells you so? B: Yeah there's plenty of fans that are flat out of patience. I was last year, but I've done a 180 about "win now at all costs, any cost".
2) No argument there.
3) I'm sure as hell glad you're not managing the Browns cap. You think Cousins is going to wave a magic wand and instantly turn the Browns into a playoff team? Or are you one of the fans that's going to be doing cartwheels down the street when we go 8-8 like Kirk did in Washington? Give me McCarron at 1\2 the Cousins price. Might cost us a win or two in 2018, but we'll be in way better shape down the road cap wise. 2018 isn't "Playoffs or Bust" for the Browns.
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Give Joe what he wants. It's what's best for the Browns!!!
Joe has how many quality years left? Or you've missed all the pre-draft chatter that the Browns should be proactive draft, and start grooming his replacement? Sure he can say what he wants- as a lock HOFer he's earned the right. He also has collected enough cash that he's set for life regardless if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft- and if we're picking up a FA QB, that's going to happen a month before April 26th.
if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft-
If I were Dorsey I'd ask him if he can make his mind up by March 12th.
To sign Cousins to a big contract is to say that Washington screwed up by not getting a deal done with him some time ago. (like, even last year at this time) - How come they didn't try hard enough to sign him? He's still young enough. - They can't have thought all that much of him.
In Cousins' first couple of years he wasn't the starter and we played them in the preseason. He tore us to shreds two years straight. But that might not be saying much.
We need a veteran QB to stand besides our young QB's on the sidelines and point things out. A Josh McCown would be perfect in that role. He could be the starter and still be a part time teacher. But he gets himself injured every year. - I want us to pick the best QB in the draft at #1 (for once). But free agency sets the stage. In about a month we'll get a little clearer picture as to what we might do at #'s 1 & 4 in the draft.
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if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft-
If I were Dorsey I'd ask him if he can make his mind up by March 12th.
To sign Cousins to a big contract is to say that Washington screwed up by not getting a deal done with him some time ago. (like, even last year at this time) - How come they didn't try hard enough to sign him? He's still young enough. - They can't have thought all that much of him.
In Cousins' first couple of years he wasn't the starter and we played them in the preseason. He tore us to shreds two years straight. But that might not be saying much.
We need a veteran QB to stand besides our young QB's on the sidelines and point things out. A Josh McCown would be perfect in that role. He could be the starter and still be a part time teacher. But he gets himself injured every year. - I want us to pick the best QB in the draft at #1 (for once). But free agency sets the stage. In about a month we'll get a little clearer picture as to what we might do at #'s 1 & 4 in the draft.
If I were Dorsey I'd ask him if he can make his mind up by March 12th.
To sign Cousins to a big contract is to say that Washington screwed up by not getting a deal done with him some time ago. (like, even last year at this time) - How come they didn't try hard enough to sign him? He's still young enough. - They can't have thought all that much of him.
In Cousins' first couple of years he wasn't the starter and we played them in the preseason. He tore us to shreds two years straight. But that might not be saying much.
We need a veteran QB to stand besides our young QB's on the sidelines and point things out. A Josh McCown would be perfect in that role. He could be the starter and still be a part time teacher. But he gets himself injured every year. - I want us to pick the best QB in the draft at #1 (for once). But free agency sets the stage. In about a month we'll get a little clearer picture as to what we might do at #'s 1 & 4 in the draft.
Agreed before March 12th. Agreed on McCown- if he'd be willing to come back. I've been pretty clear about Cousins. He's good, just not $150 million good. It was a mutual screw-up in Washington. The Redskins supposedly lowballed him- his agent said nope- so the franchise tags. This is sort of a long , but good read explaining things. LOL- and it's not often I agree with the uber abrasive Steven A Smith. It sure reinforces my conclusion of Cousins' true value. I'll bet the Redskins lowballed him again on a long term deal, and took the cheaper option of Smith. Snyder (and my Redskins peeps confirm) may be a bigger Doofus than Haslam. Article says they could have locked him up long term at $19 million a year, and balked. Had no idea Cousins is a religious sort of guy either.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21121399/next-uneasy-marriage-kirk-cousins-redskins-nfl
MHO is McCarron won't command anywhere near the kind of payday Cousins is going to get, and just might be as good. .
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If I were Dorsey I'd ask him if he can make his mind up by March 12th.
To sign Cousins to a big contract is to say that Washington screwed up by not getting a deal done with him some time ago. (like, even last year at this time) - How come they didn't try hard enough to sign him? He's still young enough. - They can't have thought all that much of him.
In Cousins' first couple of years he wasn't the starter and we played them in the preseason. He tore us to shreds two years straight. But that might not be saying much.
We need a veteran QB to stand besides our young QB's on the sidelines and point things out. A Josh McCown would be perfect in that role. He could be the starter and still be a part time teacher. But he gets himself injured every year. - I want us to pick the best QB in the draft at #1 (for once). But free agency sets the stage. In about a month we'll get a little clearer picture as to what we might do at #'s 1 & 4 in the draft.
Agreed before March 12th. Agreed on McCown- if he'd be willing to come back. I've been pretty clear about Cousins. He's good, just not $150 million good. It was a mutual screw-up in Washington. The Redskins supposedly lowballed him- his agent said nope- so the franchise tags. This is sort of a long , but good read explaining things. LOL- and it's not often I agree with the uber abrasive Steven A Smith. It sure reinforces my conclusion of Cousins' true value. I'll bet the Redskins lowballed him again on a long term deal, and took the cheaper option of Smith. Snyder (and my Redskins peeps confirm) may be a bigger Doofus than Haslam. Article says they could have locked him up long term at $19 million a year, and balked. Had no idea Cousins is a religious sort of guy either.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21121399/next-uneasy-marriage-kirk-cousins-redskins-nfl
MHO is McCarron won't command anywhere near the kind of payday Cousins is going to get, and just might be as good. .
MHO is McCarron won't command anywhere near the kind of payday Cousins is going to get, and just might be as good. .
I tend to agree. But we have to remember also that McCarron will be the "rookie" who for the most part has now sat for 4 years on the bench. He will have at least a learning curve for the 1st half of the season as a new starter, but he will still be ahead of any true rookie. But that is really true for what will be most of the Browns team. It would certainly be fun to watch them all develop as they get better as a team.
EDIT: I'd be willing to go with McCarron and Kizer and just see what happens under the "new" OC. Kizer may play like Allen, but he's now had a year as the starter with minimal receiver help. There were games he played that we came close to winning, but were choked away in the redzone either by him or by Huey "Fig" Newton with his atrocious playcalling and/or clock management.
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Give Joe what he wants. It's what's best for the Browns!!!
Joe has how many quality years left? Or you've missed all the pre-draft chatter that the Browns should be proactive draft, and start grooming his replacement? Sure he can say what he wants- as a lock HOFer he's earned the right. He also has collected enough cash that he's set for life regardless if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft- and if we're picking up a FA QB, that's going to happen a month before April 26th.
Joe has how many quality years left? Or you've missed all the pre-draft chatter that the Browns should be proactive draft, and start grooming his replacement? Sure he can say what he wants- as a lock HOFer he's earned the right. He also has collected enough cash that he's set for life regardless if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft- and if we're picking up a FA QB, that's going to happen a month before April 26th.
My statement was my way of agreeing that the Browns should acquire Cousins in free agency, as that would bring us more wins over the next several years than another year of drafting an untested rookie quarterback who will take (x) years just to figure things out at the NFL level.
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Joe has how many quality years left? Or you've missed all the pre-draft chatter that the Browns should be proactive draft, and start grooming his replacement? Sure he can say what he wants- as a lock HOFer he's earned the right. He also has collected enough cash that he's set for life regardless if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft- and if we're picking up a FA QB, that's going to happen a month before April 26th.
My statement was my way of agreeing that the Browns should acquire Cousins in free agency, as that would bring us more wins over the next several years than another year of drafting an untested rookie quarterback who will take (x) years just to figure things out at the NFL level.
My statement was my way of agreeing that the Browns should acquire Cousins in free agency, as that would bring us more wins over the next several years than another year of drafting an untested rookie quarterback who will take (x) years just to figure things out at the NFL level.
They quickly missed out on the A. Smith contest, let's hope this works.
Your CLEVELAND BROWNS building for a brighter 2019.
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1) IMO Cousins is better than any of the top QBs in this draft will ever be. Plus I'm not willing to wait a couple of seasons for a QB drafted this year to be ready to lead the Browns offense. I want wins, and I want them NOW.
2) Acquiring Cousins adds a legitimate NFL QB to the Browns' roster - something that they haven't enjoyed in recent memory. Cousins would be their QB for at least five years, lending stability to the most important position. Finally, grabbing him before the draft provides incredible flexibility to the Browns' draft strategy.
3) I want to see the Browns relevant again. I don't care what it costs - it's not my money. The money is there to be SPENT to improve the team, not saved for a rainy day.
Give Joe what he wants. Get Cousins at any cost.
1) A: No way you can say that about the 2018 qb draft, you have a crystal ball that tells you so? B: Yeah there's plenty of fans that are flat out of patience. I was last year, but I've done a 180 about "win now at all costs, any cost".
2) No argument there.
3) I'm sure as hell glad you're not managing the Browns cap. You think Cousins is going to wave a magic wand and instantly turn the Browns into a playoff team? Or are you one of the fans that's going to be doing cartwheels down the street when we go 8-8 like Kirk did in Washington? Give me McCarron at 1\2 the Cousins price. Might cost us a win or two in 2018, but we'll be in way better shape down the road cap wise. 2018 isn't "Playoffs or Bust" for the Browns.
1) A: No way you can say that about the 2018 qb draft, you have a crystal ball that tells you so? B: Yeah there's plenty of fans that are flat out of patience. I was last year, but I've done a 180 about "win now at all costs, any cost".
2) No argument there.
3) I'm sure as hell glad you're not managing the Browns cap. You think Cousins is going to wave a magic wand and instantly turn the Browns into a playoff team? Or are you one of the fans that's going to be doing cartwheels down the street when we go 8-8 like Kirk did in Washington? Give me McCarron at 1\2 the Cousins price. Might cost us a win or two in 2018, but we'll be in way better shape down the road cap wise. 2018 isn't "Playoffs or Bust" for the Browns.
1) A: Oh I most certainly can say that - because it's my opinion, nothing more. You don't have to agree with it or like it - just as I don't agree or like yours. But don't tell me what I can and can't say on this forum. B: I was on the rebuild train for a number of years, but I got fed up wasting my Sundays watching USFL-caliber performances by the Browns. I want to see some wins, and the Browns have the talent, money, and front office to make that happen.
2) Good.
3) The Browns defense took a major leap forward last year. This off season add a quality CB and FS via free agency and/or the draft and the D will help keep the team in every game. The offense is where the big problem lies, and the big problem is that the QB position is dysfunctional. Has been for decades. But that problem, and others, can be fixed NOW with cash - and the Browns have a ton of it. Acquire Cousins and that big problem is erased. He's at least a top-15 QB, probably much higher with a good line and weapons - and the Browns have more of those than the Redskins did. Acquire Cousins, add another WR in free agency (Allen Robinson, Paul Richardson, Donte Moncrief, etc.) draft Saquon Barkely or Derrius Guice to upgrade what Crowell provided, draft a LT or LG for line depth (perhaps swing Joel Bitonio to LT when Joe Thomas retires) and the offense is ready to rock. For years to come.
As far as McCarron - he's not nearly the QB that Cousins is. Heck, Andy Dalton isn't nearly the QB that Cousins is - and McCarron couldn't beat-out Dalton for playing time. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? To put faith in McCarron to lead the Browns to, what, mediocrity? To pass on attempting to acquire Cousins because he would cost more than McCarron? Even if its probable that he would generate far more wins for the Browns than McCarron would?
Don't be afraid to spend money. It's there to be spent to improve the team. Not spending it is detrimental to the team - simple as that.
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Is anybody concerned about the WR position? Are we hoping Flash Gordon is being a good boy and will make a complete 16 game season? Even so unless certain current players learn how to play catch he would still need help. It might help out with the quarterback situation.
I'd rather take defense and gamble on a WR or RB in R1......IF THEY can sign a QB.Use the other 10 Picks for needs or trade up bait.
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Give Joe what he wants. It's what's best for the Browns!!!
Joe has how many quality years left? Or you've missed all the pre-draft chatter that the Browns should be proactive draft, and start grooming his replacement? Sure he can say what he wants- as a lock HOFer he's earned the right. He also has collected enough cash that he's set for life regardless if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft- and if we're picking up a FA QB, that's going to happen a month before April 26th.
Joe has how many quality years left? Or you've missed all the pre-draft chatter that the Browns should be proactive draft, and start grooming his replacement? Sure he can say what he wants- as a lock HOFer he's earned the right. He also has collected enough cash that he's set for life regardless if he plays another down or not. He's on record he'll tell the Browns his intentions before the draft- and if we're picking up a FA QB, that's going to happen a month before April 26th.
Like I've said several times, Joe probably isn't coming back. He's so skinny right now, I cannot imagine there's enough time to get healthy AND rebuild his bulk. That being said, I think Joe would TRY if we were to get Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins. But Joe ain't working his butt to the bone to play with some rookie QB. I think last year really hurt him, in many ways. Obviously we didn't get Alex Smith, and there's essentially zero chance we get Kirk. Sorry Joe, the football gods weren't kind to you. You deserved so much more than what you got from our franchise....regardless of how rich you became.
Imagine the frustration Joe feels. He's literally resorted to begging for quarterbacks ON THE INTERNET.
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So many people romanticizing the Washington Redskins. Acting like the fact that they didn’t sign Cousins is a mark against Kirk and not the garbage organization that hasn’t done Sheet since the 90s. The Browns are a better team than the redskins, except for the QB position and Dan Snyder is the prototype Retard. It seems that doing the opposite of Snyder is a good plan of action for any team searching for success. He’s like George Costanza.
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An interesting snippet from an article on Terrell Pryor tells the tale of just how good a Kirk Cousins-led offense is:
"Washington had just lost its top two receivers, Jackson and Pierre Garcon, in free agency, leaving 214 targets open in an offense that had the second-most yards per play, passing yards, and net yards per pass attempt in 2016."
It's a quarterback league. Kirk Cousins is the best QB to hit free agency in a long time. Pay the man to play for the Browns.
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