Saquon Barkley Combine Bound
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ok, question. What is it about Mayfield, with his short stature, and offense played, that makes him worth a
4th overall pick, and Mike White not worth a late first round pick? White has played in three different offenses,
very successful, very high completion percentage....
Not knocking Mayfield, but what is it about him, that makes him so superior to White?
Just askin...
ok, question. What is it about Mayfield, with his short stature, and offense played, that makes him worth a
4th overall pick, and Mike White not worth a late first round pick? White has played in three different offenses,
very successful, very high completion percentage....
Not knocking Mayfield, but what is it about him, that makes him so superior to White?
Just askin...
Why ask us.....go see what the scouting reports say about it. It should not just be the "small school thing"....as W Ky is FBS....and plays on a levely likely even with say Wyoming....who has a somewhat highly rated QB in this draft. And as we know Wentz was FCS.
So...I guess what I am saying is: come up with some answers to your own questions.
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ok, question. What is it about Mayfield, with his short stature, and offense played, that makes him worth a
4th overall pick, and Mike White not worth a late first round pick? White has played in three different offenses,
very successful, very high completion percentage....
Not knocking Mayfield, but what is it about him, that makes him so superior to White?
Just askin...
Why ask us.....go see what the scouting reports say about it. It should not just be the "small school thing"....as W Ky is FBS....and plays on a levely likely even with say Wyoming....who has a somewhat highly rated QB in this draft. And as we know Wentz was FCS.
So...I guess what I am saying is: come up with some answers to your own questions.
So...I guess what I am saying is: come up with some answers to your own questions.
I did. I was wondering what other people thought. The small school thing didn't work with Wentz. I know freaking what I think. The scouting reports I"ve read, but they aren't written on the subject, and wouldn't be written by posters on this board. "DER"
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So...I guess what I am saying is: come up with some answers to your own questions.
I did. I was wondering what other people thought. The small school thing didn't work with Wentz. I know freaking what I think. The scouting reports I"ve read, but they aren't written on the subject, and wouldn't be written by posters on this board. "DER"
I did. I was wondering what other people thought. The small school thing didn't work with Wentz. I know freaking what I think. The scouting reports I"ve read, but they aren't written on the subject, and wouldn't be written by posters on this board. "DER"
So....you are saying that you DID find the answer as to why Mayfield IS so much more highly rated than White? Or are you saying that you found an answer as to why White Should be as highly rated as Mayfield?
Funny thing is: There was no post by you after I said that you should answer your own question...yet you say you did answer it. Where? Is there an invisible ink thread on here? Maybe you are claiming you related your conclusions somewhere up above. Well....with all the claptrapple and folderal that gets put on here....most of us may have missed its. Ergo....perhaps you can reiterate:
A. WHY...in your opinion....is Mayfield a potential Top Ten draft pick.....and why is Mike White NOT a potential first round pick?
B. Or, alternatively...if that is not your opinion.....what is:
1. In your opinion is Mayfield a Top Ten prospect? Or not? and If not, why not?
2. In your opinion is White a first round prospect? Or not....and if not why not?
3. Or....is White worth a higher pick? If so, why?
4. Or.... in your opinion should White actually be considered a better prospect than Mayfield? If so, why?
You say you have answered...but I think we all missed it. Here is your chance to be explicit and succinct.
Note: I am not saying that I expect to agree or disagree with your opinions at all. I expect that you will have some perfectly valid arguments/positions on these. As I have noted before....I have formed little of an opinion on all these QB prospects. (the only thing I have pointed out is that your boy Allen really has come in sucking hind tit when it come to raw statistical comparisons with the other top prospects. But that is just that, raw stats.)
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I wonder about it, and I thought of some reasons, but I don't know that it is settled, so I was wondering what other
people would think as to the explanations. I don't know, I was just wondering. I'm not wondering what I think, I know what I think.
I wanted to know what others might thing. So, to learn that, I asked the question. But I don't see anything necessarily, that tells me White is flat out far less talented a prospect than Mayfield. So, I asked the question. I'm still asking. Have a nice day.
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It's hopeless Gunz. If Barkley is gone at #4 we take BPA there, (Fitzpatrick or Chubb) and take our pick of the plethora of good running backs that will be there at #33. Po has got it in his mind positively, without a doubt, Saquon is going in the top three picks. Hell's Bells, there's two possible scenarios where the Browns would draft him #1 overall- both unlikely. First is we land Cousins in free agency. Second is we have all of the top three quarterbacks ranked exactly equally. We've posited this around 10 times already, and Po's not listening. I've never seen this much fixation on a draft prospect- ever. Hey, I happen to like Baker Mayfield a lot- you don't see me starting 30 pages of the same garbage why he's our only best option at the top of the draft.
Let's take a look at a line from that article he posted... "Nobody could blame the Broncos (No. 5), the Jets (No. 6) or the Buccaneers (No. 7), either, if they considered trading up to land a 21-year-old phenom who became Penn State's second all-time leading rusher in just three seasons before turning pro as a junior."
Nobody could blame the Broncos or Jets for trading up to take a Quarterback either. Jags jumping the Browns for a running back would flat-out be too costly draft wise.
He might want to read what one of the guys he quoted- Bucky Brooks said- why the Steelers shouldn't pay Le'veon Bell. And why in today's NFL, taking a running back high is a 4 year proposition before they're used up. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916582/article/steelers-shouldnt-pay-leveon-bell-johnny-manziels-best-path
It may be hopeless, and I certainly have gotten used to the best ever stuff. That wasn't the issue with this post.
I really wanted to see where his priority was when I asked recently. There was 2 scenarios: 1. Top QB (whether that's Baker, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, etc) and even gave them hypothetical "rankings", AND Barkley at 4 or Barkley at 1 and 3rd QB at 4, he chose the latter.
So he is more concerned about Barkley going number 1 for the looks of Barkley going 1 than getting the best players. He said as much. So he lied saying he would love to get QB at 1 and Barkley 4.
One of these times he lied.
It may be hopeless, and I certainly have gotten used to the best ever stuff. That wasn't the issue with this post.
I really wanted to see where his priority was when I asked recently. There was 2 scenarios: 1. Top QB (whether that's Baker, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, etc) and even gave them hypothetical "rankings", AND Barkley at 4 or Barkley at 1 and 3rd QB at 4, he chose the latter.
So he is more concerned about Barkley going number 1 for the looks of Barkley going 1 than getting the best players. He said as much. So he lied saying he would love to get QB at 1 and Barkley 4.
One of these times he lied.
I think you got confused about something dawggy.
A) "I" absolutely would take Barkley #1 in the draft. No matter what... and whatever QBs comes to me, I'll choose the best one.
If we land a Cousins or McCarron, I we might forego a QB in the first altogether. In that case, Barkley #1 and If my top QB is still there, I'll draft him. If my top QBs are gone I'd probably draft Fitzpatrick #4. *Joe Thomas' decision on whether or not he's going to be able to continue to play will also weigh in on my decision at #4.
C) If we get Cousins/McCarron in FA and Joe Thomas retires- I'm taking Barkley #1 and the Best LT #4.
D) So therefore, if the Browns panic and draft a QB #1 (not ideal) I would certainly be okay with them drafting Saquon at #4.
E) However, I have reason to believe that the Giants and the Colts covet Barkley enough to see to it that we don't have the chance to get him at #4... because they'll draft him before we can.
F) If we go QB #1 and Barkley #4 - I would be so happy I'd laugh till the cows came home -because I believe if we don't get him at #1 we're not going to be getting him.
G) I don't have the greatest amount of confidence that the Browns are going to end up getting the right QB. So if they take a QB #1 and he turns out to be a bust, and on top of that we miss out on getting Barkley, because someone else scoops him before #4, I'm not going to be happy.
Where is the miscommunication? I lettered the different points so it should be easy to pick out.
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Oh god brain freeze, I had this "my QB is better than your QB" thing going on in my head......plus I'm watching the Young & the Restless......enough excuses?
Actually I could see QB1 plus Barkley 4 or vice versa.
the only versa I'll buy is if you can guarantee me we can get Darnold or Mayfield at #4.
the only versa I'll buy is if you can guarantee me we can get Darnold or Mayfield at #4.
I can guarantee you one of those at #4.
But if you insisted on unequivocal, without a doubt, mathematically unbreakable proof...
We could give the Colts #4, the second*(third) rounder from the Eagles and a fourth rounder to move up 1 pick into their slot at #3. If they covet a defensive player they'd be no worse for wear and if they wanted to trade it to someone for one of the other 4 first round QBs, CB/S or DE, they could do that too.
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So...I guess what I am saying is: come up with some answers to your own questions.
I did. I was wondering what other people thought. The small school thing didn't work with Wentz. I know freaking what I think. The scouting reports I"ve read, but they aren't written on the subject, and wouldn't be written by posters on this board. "DER"
I did. I was wondering what other people thought. The small school thing didn't work with Wentz. I know freaking what I think. The scouting reports I"ve read, but they aren't written on the subject, and wouldn't be written by posters on this board. "DER"
OK, you ask, you get... http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mike-white?id=2559943
Only the bad, for those too lazy to click on the link...
"Pocket mobility is poor. Was responsible for his share of the 46 sacks. Sluggish processor when initial reads are covered. Stayed on covered targets rather than finding better options. Relies too heavily on arm over anticipation. Looks lethargic when trying to roll and throw. Fumbled 12 times this year and 17 times over two seasons."
PS This is Po's private Saquon thread- keep it on topic- The Management.
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got it. back to Barkley - that write up - he's another qb without a solid oline in front of him.
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I wonder about it, and I thought of some reasons, but I don't know that it is settled, so I was wondering what other
people would think as to the explanations. I don't know, I was just wondering. I'm not wondering what I think, I know what I think.
I wanted to know what others might thing. So, to learn that, I asked the question. But I don't see anything necessarily, that tells me White is flat out far less talented a prospect than Mayfield. So, I asked the question. I'm still asking. Have a nice day.
I wonder about it, and I thought of some reasons, but I don't know that it is settled, so I was wondering what other
people would think as to the explanations. I don't know, I was just wondering. I'm not wondering what I think, I know what I think.
I wanted to know what others might thing. So, to learn that, I asked the question. But I don't see anything necessarily, that tells me White is flat out far less talented a prospect than Mayfield. So, I asked the question. I'm still asking. Have a nice day.
You asked....but you didn't answer my series of questions. Again, I am just curious what you do think on these matters. You say you know what you think.....but I and everyone else here may not know what you think. And of course anyone else is welcome to answer if they have an opinion.
I personally do not have an answer...for, though you say that you know what you think.....I do not know what I think. Mostly because I have not studied these guys sufficiently.
Then you might ask: Well then....why don't you study them? And I will answer that by saying: . I don't care to put in that kind of time on a matter that I have absolutely no control over....nor over which I am passionate enough to come up with an opinion on it.
I am not the leader nor really a participant in any "Camp". I just hope the Browns can get a guy that can do the job.
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On Barkley.
Maybe we take him.....then resign Barkevious Mingo. My only concern then is whether we would see barking or just whimpering out of them. We know with Mingo it was just a whimper.
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The Film Room Ep. 66 is now LIVE: Penn State's Saquon Barkley is the next LaDainian Tomlinson, and why passing on him would be a horrible, inexcusable mistake.
Decisions Decisions
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The Film Room Ep. 66 is now LIVE: Penn State's Saquon Barkley is the next LaDainian Tomlinson, and why passing on him would be a horrible, inexcusable mistake.
Decisions Decisions
The Film Room Ep. 66 is now LIVE: Penn State's Saquon Barkley is the next LaDainian Tomlinson, and why passing on him would be a horrible, inexcusable mistake.
Decisions Decisions
Maybe...at #4.
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The Film Room Ep. 66 is now LIVE: Penn State's Saquon Barkley is the next LaDainian Tomlinson, and why passing on him would be a horrible, inexcusable mistake.
Decisions Decisions
Maybe...at #4.
Maybe...at #4.
Giants will take him at 2
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Maybe...at #4.
Giants will take him at 2
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Maybe...at #4.
Giants will take him at 2
Giants will take him at 2
You're thinking like PO. Manning is also 37 years old. Consensus is he's on a downward track. Has maybe a good year or two left. Even with Barkley and a healthy OBJ, you're nuts if you think that's enough to put the Giants in the Super Bowl. Same line of thinking Cousins will instantly turn the Browns into a contender. Get his eventual replacement when you have the chance.
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I thought the Giants were hell bound to take a QB?
I would think so, and only the #3 pick is somewhat uncertain, maybe.
And who's the real #1-2-3 maybe 4 QBs in this draft? Only the BROWNS are in the unique position to get most everything they want.
BUT still time to sign a FA QB and really gain some draft freedom this year......I hope.
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Giants will take him at 2
You're thinking like PO. Manning is also 37 years old. Consensus is he's on a downward track. Has maybe a good year or two left. Even with Barkley and a healthy OBJ, you're nuts if you think that's enough to put the Giants in the Super Bowl. Same line of thinking Cousins will instantly turn the Browns into a contender. Get his eventual replacement when you have the chance.
You're thinking like PO. Manning is also 37 years old. Consensus is he's on a downward track. Has maybe a good year or two left. Even with Barkley and a healthy OBJ, you're nuts if you think that's enough to put the Giants in the Super Bowl. Same line of thinking Cousins will instantly turn the Browns into a contender. Get his eventual replacement when you have the chance.
The Giants are an intelligent, well-run franchise.
Intelligent, well-run franchises don't pass on the replacement for their 37 year old QB for a RB with a top 5 pick. Especially franchises who rarely ever find themselves this high in the draft.
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You're thinking like PO. Manning is also 37 years old. Consensus is he's on a downward track. Has maybe a good year or two left. Even with Barkley and a healthy OBJ, you're nuts if you think that's enough to put the Giants in the Super Bowl. Same line of thinking Cousins will instantly turn the Browns into a contender. Get his eventual replacement when you have the chance.
The Giants are an intelligent, well-run franchise.
Intelligent, well-run franchises don't pass on the replacement for their 37 year old QB for a RB with a top 5 pick. Especially franchises who rarely ever find themselves this high in the draft.
The Giants are an intelligent, well-run franchise.
Intelligent, well-run franchises don't pass on the replacement for their 37 year old QB for a RB with a top 5 pick. Especially franchises who rarely ever find themselves this high in the draft.
My reply to your comment is for you to watch the video. Toward the end you'll get the answer you're looking for. Justification.
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You're thinking like PO. Manning is also 37 years old. Consensus is he's on a downward track. Has maybe a good year or two left. Even with Barkley and a healthy OBJ, you're nuts if you think that's enough to put the Giants in the Super Bowl. Same line of thinking Cousins will instantly turn the Browns into a contender. Get his eventual replacement when you have the chance.
The Giants are an intelligent, well-run franchise.
Intelligent, well-run franchises don't pass on the replacement for their 37 year old QB for a RB with a top 5 pick. Especially franchises who rarely ever find themselves this high in the draft.
The Giants are an intelligent, well-run franchise.
Intelligent, well-run franchises don't pass on the replacement for their 37 year old QB for a RB with a top 5 pick. Especially franchises who rarely ever find themselves this high in the draft.
Reports are that Giants are thinking of passing on QB at 2. Can't say I believe that is smart. And while I have a lot more experience than a lot of people on here who think they know it all, ALL of the guys in NFL know A LOT more than me.
Still, not looking good for you Po. Because whether you like the idea or want a certain guy (Barkley) the odds are very high the Browns are taking their QB. So you better be thinking 1 of 4 things, 1. Giants take their QB 2. Giants and Colts trade to QB needy teams 3. Barkley falls to #4 4. Become a Giants fan
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