Psychic Projections

The Gipper

OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples

Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type)

Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish)

Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish)

Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country)

So, here you go in alphabetical order:

Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust

calfoxwc

Josh Allen: Great

Sam Darnold: Good

Lamar Jackson: Average

Baker Mayfield: Good

Josh Rosen: Bust

Mason Rudolph: Average

Mike White - Great

Logan Woodside - (Toledo) Good depending.

mjp28

They are all overreach bums. No I'll think about it when I can figure who is really the best professional football quarterback prospect.

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples

Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type)

Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish)

Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish)

Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country)

So, here you go in alphabetical order:

Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Average

Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust Good

Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust Bust at QB, Average as WR

Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust Good

Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Good

Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust Average

SissyBoyFloyd

Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust

ALL DEPENDING ON IF THEY GET DRAFTED INTO THE RIGHT SITUATIION, WHICH ODDS ARE ABOUT 50/50.

The Gipper

Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

I see a lot of Brandon Weeden, Derek Anderson in him.

Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Upside is Carson Palmerish. Downside is Matt Leinertish. I say he comes in the middle...so average.

Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Do not think he has NFL QB potential. But he may turn out to be a decent RB/WR

Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust

To me, hardest to predict. The JFF comparisons are fair as far as style and personality..but then so are the Wilson/Brees comparisons in terms of talent and production.

Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Seems to have the right tools to be a good NFL QB. Question is: will he be a tool to the point that his personality gets in the way of his career? I think he will come around through maturity.

Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Just a gut feeling that he could break out from the Big 12 curse to become pretty good.

As far as the likes of White, Woodside etc. I will give my lawyerly answer: I am without information sufficient to form a belief as to the accuracy of the allegations contained therein.

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust------2nd stringer

Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust-------Good

Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust--------other position convert

Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust..............Good to average

Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust.............Good but may be like Bradford..........often injured, they both have similar builds that just may not be rugged enough

Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust.................Average

In any other year or if we were able to acquire that bridge player, I think I'd go with Darnold. We already have Kizer a year ahead of Allen in development. Keep him.

nickers

@the-gipper said:

OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples

Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type)

Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish)

Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish)

Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country)

So, here you go in alphabetical order:

Josh Allen: bust

Sam Darnold: Average,

Lamar Jackson: Bust

Baker Mayfield: Very Good, maybe great

Josh Rosen Very Good , almost Kosarian good

Mason Rudolph: Good to very good

My sleepers are Lauletta and White.

nickers

Except for Carson Palmer.. Every QB that comes out of USC either has Andre Ware or Rodney Peete disease... Just sayin.

The Gipper

@nickers said:

Except for Carson Palmer.. Every QB that comes out of USC either has Andre Ware or Rodney Peete disease... Just sayin.

I think you may be right. Here is the complete list of drafted USC QBs since 1950. See many on there worth a shite as a Pro?

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Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick		Pos	DrAge	Tm	From	To	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	College/Univ
1	2016	3	93	Cody Kessler	QB	23	CLE	2016	2017	0	1	3	12	8	0-8-0	139	218	1506	6	3	12	17	0	USC	College Stats
2	2013	4	98	Matt Barkley	QB	22	PHI	2013	2016	0	0	2	11	6	1-5-0	159	266	1911	8	18	12	0	0	USC	College Stats
3	2009	1	5	Mark Sanchez	QB	22	NYJ	2009	2016	0	5	34	77	72	37-35-0	1295	2285	15219	86	86	169	449	13	USC	College Stats
4	2008	5	137	John David Booty	QB		MIN			0	0													USC
5	2006	1	10	Matt Leinart	QB	23	ARI	2006	2012	0	1	12	33	18	8-10-0	366	641	4065	15	21	47	89	2	USC	College Stats
6	2005	7	230	Matt Cassel	QB	23	NWE	2005	2017	1	5	46	106	81	36-45-0	1571	2666	17449	104	81	266	1012	5	USC	College Stats
7	2003	1	1	Carson Palmer	QB	23	CIN	2004	2017	3	11	108	182	181	92-88-1	3941	6307	46247	294	187	301	474	8	USC	College Stats
8	1996	7	240	Kyle Wachholtz	QB		GNB			0	0													USC	College Stats
9	1995	4	99	Rob Johnson	QB	22	JAX	1995	2003	0	1	19	48	29	12-17-0	494	806	5795	30	23	140	877	4	USC	College Stats
10	1991	1	24	Todd Marinovich	QB	22	RAI	1991	1992	0	0	3	8	8	3-5-0	104	205	1345	8	9	12	44	0	USC	College Stats
11	1991	10	260	Pat O'Hara	QB		TAM			0	0													USC	College Stats
12	1989	6	141	Rodney Peete	QB	23	DET	1989	2004	0	7	46	104	87	45-42-0	1344	2346	16338	76	92	270	1139	16	USC	College Stats
13	1980	4	109	Paul McDonald	QB	22	CLE	1980	1986	0	1	15	85	21	8-13-0	411	767	5269	24	37	37	6	1	USC	College Stats
14	1978	5	131	Rob Hertel	QB	23	CIN	1978	1978	0	0	0	3	0		1	4	9	0	0	1	0	0	USC	College Stats
15	1977	6	140	Vince Evans	QB	22	CHI	1977	1995	0	2	29	100	39	14-25-0	704	1390	9485	52	74	212	1129	14	USC	College Stats
16	1975	7	176	Pat Haden	QB	22	RAM	1976	1981	1	4	33	65	55	35-19-1	731	1363	9296	52	60	124	609	6	USC	College Stats
17	1973	8	205	Mike Rae	QB	22	OAK	1976	1979	0	0	9	28	8	4-4-0	124	249	1536	12	14	44	300	2	USC	College Stats
18	1970	8	201	Mike Holmgren	QB		STL			0	0													USC
19	1965	20	270	Craig Fertig	QB		PIT			0	0													USC	College Stats
20	1964	1	2	Pete Beathard	QB	22	KAN	1964	1973	0	3	26	110	35	18-16-1	575	1282	8176	43	84	131	680	11	USC	College Stats
21	1963	10	136	Bill Nelsen	QB	22	PIT	1963	1972	1	5	53	90	74	40-31-3	963	1905	14165	98	101	84	89	2	USC	College Stats
22	1962	34	268	Ben Charles	QB		BUF			0	0													USC
23	1953	2	24	Rudy Bukich	QB	22	RAM	1953	1968	0	2	30	103	41	21-17-3	626	1190	8433	61	74	112	109	9	USC

The Gipper

To answer my above question: we do have good old Bill Nelsen on there. The Best other than Palmer.

And did anyone remember that Mike Holmgren was a USC QB? Not I. Looking at him all these years I would have thought of him as an offensive lineman. I didn't even know he went to USC.

nickers

@the-gipper said:

To answer my above question: we do have good old Bill Nelsen on there. The Best other than Palmer.

And did anyone remember that Mike Holmgren was a USC QB? Not I. Looking at him all these years I would have thought of him as an offensive lineman. I didn't even know he went to USC.

I always thought Palmer looked and played a lot like Bill Nelson.. And I didnt know Pat Haden went there.. He was a pretty damn good QB...

SissyBoyFloyd

Something you can't remember is something you can't forget.

And one other thing: Saying something to some means nothing, to others it leaves nothing to be said.

Ghoolie

@the-gipper said:

OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples

Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type)

Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish)

Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish)

Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country)

So, here you go in alphabetical order:

Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust

Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust

True!

LionOfBuddha

Josh Allen: Bust

Sam Darnold: Good

Lamar Jackson: Good

Baker Mayfield: Great

Josh Rosen: Good

Mason Rudolph: Bust

7moses7

@lionofbuddha said:

Josh Allen: Bust

Sam Darnold: Good

Lamar Jackson: Good

Baker Mayfield: Great

Josh Rosen: Good

Mason Rudolph: Bust

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7moses7

@nickers said:

Except for Carson Palmer.. Every QB that comes out of USC either has Andre Ware or Rodney Peete disease... Just sayin.

Could you imagine the Browns with a big 3 of Todd Marijuanavich Charles White and Josh Gordon man what a party!!!!

The Gipper

@sissyboyfloyd said:

Something you can't remember is something you can't forget.

And one other thing: Saying something to some means nothing, to others it leaves nothing to be said.

Kafka?

jiggins7919

@the-gipper said:

OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples

Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type)

Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish)

Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish)

Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country)

So, here you go in alphabetical order:

Josh Allen: Total Bust.  I'm in complete awe of people's fascination with a guy from Wyoming who has shown so very little. We might as well call him "Uncle Rico" because the only thing he can do is throw the ball over them mountains. 13 TD's? Really? The only plays the Networks show from Allen are the ones where the pocket breaks down, he runs to the right, and he fires a ball down the field. I'm scouring videos and looking for videos that show Allen taking the snap, looking through progressions, and firing an accurate ball. I can't find too much of that. Josh Allen just seems like the next version of the guy who can throw it a mile, but not where you need it to go. For a team like the Browns, who have struggled (obviously) with finding a QB, can you really afford to take a guy from Wyoming just because he LOOKS like the best QB? Furthermore, if I hear ONE MORE PERSON compare Allen to Big Ben, I'll lose my mind. Big Ben had like 37 passing TDs his last year, and probably several other rushing ones. In other words, Ben just about tripled Josh Allen's output. Allen scares me to death. Pass.

Sam Darnold: Good.  This one is so difficult to judge because Darnold appears to be raw to me, and the turnovers scare me to death. He's young, and we saw first hand what a young QB who struggles with turnovers can do in the NFL, but Darnold definitely has moxie and grit. He's a natural play-maker and may possibly be more of an "athlete" than a pure "QB". Faster than you think with a better arm than some give him credit for, Darnold has ideal size and toughness for the NFL QB position. He's a threat to run it in during red zone possessions, and he's pretty deadly throwing it on the run. Much has been said about his "loopy" throwing motion, and we'll see if that's an issue in the NFL. Edge defenders are quite adept at stripping the ball if it's held low, so that could be an issue unless it's corrected. Still, I find myself intrigued, and at this early stage of the process, I believe he's a worthy candidate.

Lamar Jackson: No Effing Clue (New category, LOL) You'll constantly hear from pundits across the land that Josh Allen has the most "upside" of all the QB's in the draft. That might be, but I can make a compelling argument that Lamar Jackson possesses the highest upside of the QB class. Now, much of Lamar's chances for success will hinge on the specific offense that is designed around him. If you want him to play under center, you may not get what you're looking for (right away), but if the offense is molded to fit around Lamar's unique physical gifts, you could see someone capable of putting up points and gashing defenses for large chunks of yardage. He's actually faster than you think, and it's not just his top speed, but how quickly he GETS THERE. His acceleration is baffling, and he can go from a throwing stance to all-out sprint in about one step. THAT'S what makes him so completely dangerous to defenders. It's difficult to get the correct angle on Lamar, and his highlights are littered with plays where defenders appear to have him lined up, but then don't even touch the guy because they misjudged his speed. There's also a trend now where analysts are saying Lamar's stock is rapidly ascending, not for QB, but for WR. I think that's a bit premature, and also lazy analysis. Some writers make it seem like Lamar can't throw the ball, and nothing could be further from the truth. He's deadly accurate across the middle, has a terrific home-run ball, and has perfected the play-action slant pattern. There's a WR on the Browns' roster (well, for now) who might be the best slant runner in the league. Lamar to Gordon? Hmmmm. (it's not going to happen, but it'd be fun to watch!) I say "No Effing Clue" about Lamar because he's probably a project player, and it's likely we won't see him play too much QB in 2018, unless it's preseason. Given time and the right system, he could be a monster to defend. Additionally, if you draft Lamar, you could have a field day creating "red zone packages" for him, and this is one more thing defenses would have to prepare for. 1st and goal from the 10 yard line? Uh oh, here comes Lamar. Is he running? Passing? Whatever it is, it's scary.

Baker Mayfield: Great.  My only "great" ranking of the bunch, and this could change as the process evolves, but I like this kid. A lot. He was a walk-on at Texas Tech as a freshman, and what's he do? He wins the job...as a walk-on FRESHMAN. He loses the job (I forget why...injury? Another big name beat him out while hurt, right?), and then he goes to Oklahoma, AGAIN as a walk-on. What's he do there? He wins the job, and then wins the freaking Heisman. Does he have question marks about his character? Maybe. Yes he was arrested for something stupid and troubling. Yes, he tends to get a little animated and does bone-head stuff during the games. But like I said in another thread, I think Cleveland NEEDS a little chip on their shoulder. I think we could use a little fire and gusto. Does Baker need to tone it down and not HURT his team? Yeah he does. Does his risk of injury go up if he ticks off the wrong people in the league? Possibly. But look, I'm TIRED...no...I'm BEYOND tired of being the NFL whipping boy, and I'm ready for a team that is sick of it too. Can you imagine how difficult it is for a guy to win the QB job at a major passing university as a walk-on? Now, imagine the same guy doing it TWICE, but the second time, it's at a major university in Oklahoma.

Josh Rosen: Good with the possibility of being great.  Rosen throws the ball better than anyone, and when you break down the QB position, it basically comes down to delivering the football to your guy, at the right time. Rosen does this, and does it well. The only thing holding him back from "great" is his PERCEIVED attitude and personality. Maybe it's no big deal and scouts and analysts are simply looking for a flaw that doesn't exist. We'll know soon, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Rosen do well, ESPECIALLY if he falls a little bit to a better team.

Mason Rudolph: Bust.  I don't believe guys like Mason can get it done anymore in the NFL. He throws it pretty well, but he appears to be a statue in the pocket, and I don't see him having the necessary protection he needs to be successful. I'd literally be shocked if he ever turns into a starter.

The Gipper

Mason Rudolph: Bust. I don't believe guys like Mason can get it done anymore in the NFL. He throws it pretty well, but he appears to be a statue in the pocket, and I don't see him having the necessary protection he needs to be successful. I'd literally be shocked if he ever turns into a starter.

Sounds kinda like that guy that plays up there in the Boston area.