Cousins goes to.........
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Kirk is a fine QB.. Just not Elite in my view...
How true, even the all time elites wouldn't be worth the mega dollars the NEW YORK JETS have been rumored to be contemplating......or maybe got some really bad weed or something.
Super Kirk Cousins? $150,000,000? Really? 
Remember when they put some sanity back into the rookie salaries and unbelievably EXORBITANT guaranteed signing bonuses? Guys who never played a down could retire extremely wealthy.......meanwhile they were cutting veterans' salaries to compensate and it created a lot of bad blood.
Sanity has gone out of the NFL and at a bad time, attendance and viewership numbers are trending down and fewer kids are getting into tackle football, the ongoing concussion problem among other things.
And the PV/FV analysis on the numbers (I remember that boring stuff ECON was my undergraduate minor, MGT and FIN was my MBA dual major
). Present value/future value calculations and considerations for things like inflation and some future salary estimations, not out and out highway robbery or extortion.
Bad for present and future business, just sayin'.
How true, even the all time elites wouldn't be worth the mega dollars the NEW YORK JETS have been rumored to be contemplating......or maybe got some really bad weed or something.
Super Kirk Cousins? $150,000,000? Really? Remember when they put some sanity back into the rookie salaries and unbelievably EXORBITANT guaranteed signing bonuses? Guys who never played a down could retire extremely wealthy.......meanwhile they were cutting veterans' salaries to compensate and it created a lot of bad blood.
Sanity has gone out of the NFL and at a bad time, attendance and viewership numbers are trending down and fewer kids are getting into tackle football, the ongoing concussion problem among other things.
And the PV/FV analysis on the numbers (I remember that boring stuff ECON was my undergraduate minor, MGT and FIN was my MBA dual major
). Present value/future value calculations and considerations for things like inflation and some future salary estimations, not out and out highway robbery or extortion.
Bad for present and future business, just sayin'.
You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
How true, even the all time elites wouldn't be worth the mega dollars the NEW YORK JETS have been rumored to be contemplating......or maybe got some really bad weed or something.
Super Kirk Cousins? $150,000,000? Really? Remember when they put some sanity back into the rookie salaries and unbelievably EXORBITANT guaranteed signing bonuses? Guys who never played a down could retire extremely wealthy.......meanwhile they were cutting veterans' salaries to compensate and it created a lot of bad blood.
Sanity has gone out of the NFL and at a bad time, attendance and viewership numbers are trending down and fewer kids are getting into tackle football, the ongoing concussion problem among other things.
And the PV/FV analysis on the numbers (I remember that boring stuff ECON was my undergraduate minor, MGT and FIN was my MBA dual major
). Present value/future value calculations and considerations for things like inflation and some future salary estimations, not out and out highway robbery or extortion.
Bad for present and future business, just sayin'.
You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,
You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,
Amazing isn't it even with that clever buffoon McMahon running it but who knows will the NFL actually give them a strange opening.......I doubt it but stranger things have happened, I guess.
Remember viewership in the last three super bowls even with the GOAT Brady has gone down.
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Kirk is a fine QB.. Just not Elite in my view...
Mah Nikka, this is the logic that has the Browns as the worst team in the history of the NFL. We like players, but always, they aren't worth the price tag. Somethingis worth what the market will pay for it. If the next Peytaon Manning is available for 3 million per year, the Browns will be interested, Otherwise? We can get great QBs inthelate rounds of the draft, and not have to pay them. This has really worked well so far.
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How true, even the all time elites wouldn't be worth the mega dollars the NEW YORK JETS have been rumored to be contemplating......or maybe got some really bad weed or something.
Super Kirk Cousins? $150,000,000? Really? Remember when they put some sanity back into the rookie salaries and unbelievably EXORBITANT guaranteed signing bonuses? Guys who never played a down could retire extremely wealthy.......meanwhile they were cutting veterans' salaries to compensate and it created a lot of bad blood.
Sanity has gone out of the NFL and at a bad time, attendance and viewership numbers are trending down and fewer kids are getting into tackle football, the ongoing concussion problem among other things.
And the PV/FV analysis on the numbers (I remember that boring stuff ECON was my undergraduate minor, MGT and FIN was my MBA dual major
). Present value/future value calculations and considerations for things like inflation and some future salary estimations, not out and out highway robbery or extortion.
Bad for present and future business, just sayin'.
You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,
You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,
It will work. I will watch more XFL than the schidt NFL, I can tell you that much.
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I heard $60 million in the first year too. If that's true, we're out of the Kirk sweepstakes for sure. That's just insane.
I'm just curious, why would we be? If anything, that puts us and Jets firmly in the drivers seats to actually land the guy. Nobody else could even come close.
Now if you're talking from a more "is he worth that kind of money?" conversation, that is A LOT of money
I'm just curious, why would we be? If anything, that puts us and Jets firmly in the drivers seats to actually land the guy. Nobody else could even come close.
Now if you're talking from a more "is he worth that kind of money?" conversation, that is A LOT of money
I guess you're right, that kind of money puts us squarely in the game, but it just seems like TOO much money to even THINK about, and not the type of move a prudent GM like Dorsey makes. In my crazy mind, Dorsey is going to bring in a McCarron, Keenum, Bradford, or even Bridgewater type QB, and then he's going to draft a QB very early. The reason I firmly believe it's definitely McCarron is because many of the other veteran QBs have significant injury history, we can't invest in that. Why?
Just imagine someone like Bradford is our starter. All throughout training camp he looks good and displays his textbook accuracy, impressive arm talent, and cautious approach to taking care of the ball. He gets it out quickly and on target, while avoiding turnovers. Into preseason, Bradford continues to look solid, and the Browns APPEAR to have the look of a team that is going to win some games and possibly surprise a few opponents. However, when the regular season begins, Bradford sustains an injury around week 3, and now WHAT? The Browns are now RIGHT BACK where they were in 2017 and now have a devastating decision to make. Do we start Deshone Kizer, or do we throw our 1st round QB to the wolves? Can you just envision the huge scale cluster-chicken of a situation that is?
The smart money is to play Kizer (stop laughing). He got a ton of experience, and there are a lot of QBs who struggled mightily as a rookie and took major steps in their 2nd year. Now, suppose KIZER struggles. NOW what? Do you succumb to fan pressure and throw out the new rookie before he's ready? And if the new guy struggles do you yo-yo him like you did Kizer because you're Hue Jackson and you are desperate to win a game because you are 1-31 and you KNOW your butt is toast if you don't get some victories?
Listen, injuries can happen to any QB, and McCarron does have a shoulder injury under his belt, but that was a while ago. That being said, QBs such as Bridgewater and Bradford are coming off recent injuries, and Bradford hasn't been healthy in basically forever, while Bridgewater suffered the worst knee blowout in history. Keenum might be the safe bet, but I feel like he kind of played over his ability last year, and he sort of had that magical season that will be difficult to reproduce. I'm not taking anything away from his amazing performance, but playing well for the Vikings (with the best defense in the world) and playing well for the Browns are two completely different animals. Not only that, but Hue is familiar with McCarron and probably understands his strengths and weaknesses. Would I rather have Kirk Cousins? Hell yes. Are we going to get him? Uhhhhh...no. That seems like a New York type signing, and not something that would happen in Cleveland. Also, if we get McCarron and a rookie QB and one of them DOES work out, we're not hamstrung by a ridiculous contract and we can continue to be major players in free agency into 2019 and beyond.
Sorry for the long reply, I was having fun. Hehe.
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It will work. I will watch more XFL than the schidt NFL, I can tell you that much.
Actually, you said that you would totally stop watching the NFL and switch to the XFL.
Then you realized that you wouldn't be able to troll this board about the Browns, hence the backtracking to "I will watch more XFL than the schidt NFL..."
Typical.
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I'm just curious, why would we be? If anything, that puts us and Jets firmly in the drivers seats to actually land the guy. Nobody else could even come close.
Now if you're talking from a more "is he worth that kind of money?" conversation, that is A LOT of money
I guess you're right, that kind of money puts us squarely in the game, but it just seems like TOO much money to even THINK about, and not the type of move a prudent GM like Dorsey makes. In my crazy mind, Dorsey is going to bring in a McCarron, Keenum, Bradford, or even Bridgewater type QB, and then he's going to draft a QB very early. The reason I firmly believe it's definitely McCarron is because many of the other veteran QBs have significant injury history, we can't invest in that. Why?
Just imagine someone like Bradford is our starter. All throughout training camp he looks good and displays his textbook accuracy, impressive arm talent, and cautious approach to taking care of the ball. He gets it out quickly and on target, while avoiding turnovers. Into preseason, Bradford continues to look solid, and the Browns APPEAR to have the look of a team that is going to win some games and possibly surprise a few opponents. However, when the regular season begins, Bradford sustains an injury around week 3, and now WHAT? The Browns are now RIGHT BACK where they were in 2017 and now have a devastating decision to make. Do we start Deshone Kizer, or do we throw our 1st round QB to the wolves? Can you just envision the huge scale cluster-chicken of a situation that is?
The smart money is to play Kizer (stop laughing). He got a ton of experience, and there are a lot of QBs who struggled mightily as a rookie and took major steps in their 2nd year. Now, suppose KIZER struggles. NOW what? Do you succumb to fan pressure and throw out the new rookie before he's ready? And if the new guy struggles do you yo-yo him like you did Kizer because you're Hue Jackson and you are desperate to win a game because you are 1-31 and you KNOW your butt is toast if you don't get some victories?
Listen, injuries can happen to any QB, and McCarron does have a shoulder injury under his belt, but that was a while ago. That being said, QBs such as Bridgewater and Bradford are coming off recent injuries, and Bradford hasn't been healthy in basically forever, while Bridgewater suffered the worst knee blowout in history. Keenum might be the safe bet, but I feel like he kind of played over his ability last year, and he sort of had that magical season that will be difficult to reproduce. I'm not taking anything away from his amazing performance, but playing well for the Vikings (with the best defense in the world) and playing well for the Browns are two completely different animals. Not only that, but Hue is familiar with McCarron and probably understands his strengths and weaknesses. Would I rather have Kirk Cousins? Hell yes. Are we going to get him? Uhhhhh...no. That seems like a New York type signing, and not something that would happen in Cleveland. Also, if we get McCarron and a rookie QB and one of them DOES work out, we're not hamstrung by a ridiculous contract and we can continue to be major players in free agency into 2019 and beyond.
Sorry for the long reply, I was having fun. Hehe.
I guess you're right, that kind of money puts us squarely in the game, but it just seems like TOO much money to even THINK about, and not the type of move a prudent GM like Dorsey makes. In my crazy mind, Dorsey is going to bring in a McCarron, Keenum, Bradford, or even Bridgewater type QB, and then he's going to draft a QB very early. The reason I firmly believe it's definitely McCarron is because many of the other veteran QBs have significant injury history, we can't invest in that. Why?
Just imagine someone like Bradford is our starter. All throughout training camp he looks good and displays his textbook accuracy, impressive arm talent, and cautious approach to taking care of the ball. He gets it out quickly and on target, while avoiding turnovers. Into preseason, Bradford continues to look solid, and the Browns APPEAR to have the look of a team that is going to win some games and possibly surprise a few opponents. However, when the regular season begins, Bradford sustains an injury around week 3, and now WHAT? The Browns are now RIGHT BACK where they were in 2017 and now have a devastating decision to make. Do we start Deshone Kizer, or do we throw our 1st round QB to the wolves? Can you just envision the huge scale cluster-chicken of a situation that is?
The smart money is to play Kizer (stop laughing). He got a ton of experience, and there are a lot of QBs who struggled mightily as a rookie and took major steps in their 2nd year. Now, suppose KIZER struggles. NOW what? Do you succumb to fan pressure and throw out the new rookie before he's ready? And if the new guy struggles do you yo-yo him like you did Kizer because you're Hue Jackson and you are desperate to win a game because you are 1-31 and you KNOW your butt is toast if you don't get some victories?
The problem here is that you're also assuming a guy we very well may draft #1 is on the same talent level as Kizer. If Deshone wasn't his height/arm strength, he would have literally been undrafted. I was as firmly against Kizer as I have been for any QB in the past 5 years. There's plenty of examples of guys in the past two years who played excellent when thrusted into the starting role "early".
You're right in that Cousins is a pipe dream, but we do have to bring a vet QB. The interesting chess match is guys like Keenum, AJ, and Cousins will all want to go to places where they can start day one without looking over their shoulder.
Would we make a play for someone like that, or go with a "safe" vet (Bradford, Chase Daniels, McCown, Matt Moore, etc) who could start 3-4 games before the #1 pick comes in? As each days goes on, I'd be pretty remiss if the Browns don't use one of their top 5 picks at the QB position. When you look across the league, the overwhelming majority of teams who have a franchise guy drafted them in the first place. The only two marked exceptions to that appear to be Jimmy G. and Drew Brees, and there's a reason for that.
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"Madness… madness."
......from the Bridge over the River Kwai.
The Jets offer, the rest are just as ridiculous :
Total years and value: Five for $150 million
Average per year: $30 million
Full guarantee at signing: $72 million
Total guarantee: $90 million
Three-year payout: $52 million after Year 1, $72 million after Year 2, $90 million after Year 3.GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
wouldn't feel bad at all about starting Kizer. He did make strides this season and I think he'll do fine, a big reason he struggled was Hue trying to put too much on him but towards the end of the season there was definite improvement as Kizer stepped up to the challenge. I'll repeat myself here, not all of the losses were on Kizer. Some games he played well enough to win but Browns kept shooting themselves in the foot with piss poor special teams and defense. We already know Kizer can make passes in the NFL and can serve as the "bridge" until the rookie QB catches up, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kizer evolves into competent starter.
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"Madness… madness."
......from the Bridge over the River Kwai.
The Jets offer, the rest are just as ridiculous :
Total years and value: Five for $150 million
Average per year: $30 million
Full guarantee at signing: $72 million
Total guarantee: $90 million
Three-year payout: $52 million after Year 1, $72 million after Year 2, $90 million after Year 3."Madness… madness."
......from the Bridge over the River Kwai.
The Jets offer, the rest are just as ridiculous :
Total years and value: Five for $150 million
Average per year: $30 million
Full guarantee at signing: $72 million
Total guarantee: $90 million
Three-year payout: $52 million after Year 1, $72 million after Year 2, $90 million after Year 3.They can't even talk until March 14th....so any proposal about a contract offer is just premature speculation.
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"Madness… madness."
......from the Bridge over the River Kwai.
The Jets offer, the rest are just as ridiculous :
Total years and value: Five for $150 million
Average per year: $30 million
Full guarantee at signing: $72 million
Total guarantee: $90 million
Three-year payout: $52 million after Year 1, $72 million after Year 2, $90 million after Year 3.They can't even talk until March 14th....so any proposal about a contract offer is just premature speculation.
They can't even talk until March 14th....so any proposal about a contract offer is just premature speculation.
SEVEN premature speculations does have some "validity" of sorts with it. Some team will probably give in to this crazy b*llshit.
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"Madness… madness."
......from the Bridge over the River Kwai.
The Jets offer, the rest are just as ridiculous :
Total years and value: Five for $150 million
Average per year: $30 million
Full guarantee at signing: $72 million
Total guarantee: $90 million
Three-year payout: $52 million after Year 1, $72 million after Year 2, $90 million after Year 3.They can't even talk until March 14th....so any proposal about a contract offer is just premature speculation.
They can't even talk until March 14th....so any proposal about a contract offer is just premature speculation.
Yeah Gip, but where there's smoke there's ? fire. You have to think the contracts Garropolo and Stafford signed are a pretty good indication of the floor Captain Kirk's agent is going to be demanding, and some team will be crazy enough to pay it.
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They can't even talk until March 14th....so any proposal about a contract offer is just premature speculation.
Yeah Gip, but where there's smoke there's ? fire. You have to think the contracts Garropolo and Stafford signed are a pretty good indication of the floor Captain Kirk's agent is going to be demanding, and some team will be crazy enough to pay it.
Yeah Gip, but where there's smoke there's ? fire. You have to think the contracts Garropolo and Stafford signed are a pretty good indication of the floor Captain Kirk's agent is going to be demanding, and some team will be crazy enough to pay it.
Well.....if there is smoke its smoke from a distant fire at this point.
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He is a Count:
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@ghoolie said:
Dude, what kind of a nitpicking CUoNT are you? You sound like a woman. Seriously, you are a CU0NT
The NFL blows. I hardly watched the schidt to begin with, BUT............I don't have to watch schidt to comment on this board. Whether I watch the NFL or not, whether I rest my beer on your mother's head while she blows me or not, I run this board. I am the king. If I decide to buy the board, you can call me god Ghoolie. It is virtually impossible to escape NFL news and highlights, but, there is no backtracking, I won't watch the NFL in 2018, and I didn't watch much to begin with in 2017.
However, whether I watch it or not, you dumb sonofabitch, is not only none of your business, but it is something that NOBODY here, not even me, gives a rats fukcking butt about. You need to get a life. Seriously. When you next take your penis out of your boyfriend's asss, perhaps find a non-penis hobby, or job. You entire life's focus consists of reviewing all of my posts to see if somewhere I contradicted myself.
Dude, you really are a dumb sonofabitch, aren't you? When someone says, " I will kill myself if the Browns draft this guy"....do you fault them for not killing themselves? Or are you smart enough to realize that their statement was not a contract of performance, but instead a statement of taste, opinion, and emotion?
You dumb fukcking, miserable, useless assphuck, my saying " I am not going to watch the NFL, is a sentiment along the same lines that many, many people here have themselves stated.
Grow the fukc up and get your own life. Stumbling around spending all your time trying to catch morsels off of my tain, balls and axxhole is no way to go around spending your life.
Fukcking idiot.
I'm going to need you to fill this out in triplicate, sir.
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People are going to be prematurely speculating all over themselves until March 14.
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Kissing Cousin's butt?
I would suggest the Browns FO break out the lip balm...along with a big check!
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