Cousins goes to.........
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Change the thread title already.
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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
C'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him too
C'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him tooCousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
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C'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him tooCousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
Cousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
It's starting to look like the BROWNS might not get any decent or any FA signings. The Cousins contract rumors look like an overpriced joke but we'll see what happens there. Cousins hasn't exactly been on any really good teams. And 29 TDs is pretty close to 30 TDs in anyone's book, about 3% away.
So the Cousins scorecard, not too bad all things considered :
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 62 57 26-30-1 1372 2096 65.5 16206 99 4.7 55 2.6 81 7.7 7.5 11.8 261.4 93.7 106 847 6.98 6.75 4.8 8 12 43 2012 24 WAS qb 12 3 1 1-0-0 33 48 68.8 466 4 8.3 3 6.3 77 9.7 8.6 14.1 155.3 101.6 79.0 3 27 8.61 7.53 5.9 1 1 2 2013 25 WAS qb 12 5 3 0-3-0 81 155 52.3 854 4 2.6 7 4.5 62 5.5 4.0 10.5 170.8 58.4 38.8 5 32 5.14 3.67 3.1 -2 2014 26 WAS qb 8 6 5 1-4-0 126 204 61.8 1710 10 4.9 9 4.4 81 8.4 7.4 13.6 285.0 86.4 55.8 8 70 7.74 6.77 3.8 4 2015 27 WAS QB 8 16 16 9-7-0 379 543 69.8 4166 29 5.3 11 2.0 78 7.7 7.8 11.0 260.4 101.6 71.0 26 186 6.99 7.14 4.6 2 3 12 2016* 28 WAS QB 8 16 16 8-7-1 406 606 67.0 4917 25 4.1 12 2.0 80 8.1 8.0 12.1 307.3 97.2 71.7 23 190 7.52 7.45 3.7 4 4 15 2017 29 WAS QB 8 16 16 7-9-0 347 540 64.3 4093 27 5.0 13 2.4 74 7.6 7.5 11.8 255.8 93.9 50.5 41 342 6.46 6.38 7.1 1 4 12 2 playoff games - full playoff gamelogs -
Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
The last 3 seasons Cousins has
19 - 300 yard games
81 passing TDs
36 INTs
13 rushing TDs
An approximate completion rate of 66%.
I have no doubts that Cousins could step in and help the Browns win games this season. He is exactly whats missing. Who knows, maybe even reaching the playoffs. Barkley, Cousins, Gordon, Devalve, Njoku, Duke? Maybe Pryor is back. Thats a respectable lineup if you ask me.
The last 3 seasons Cousins has
19 - 300 yard games
81 passing TDs
36 INTs
13 rushing TDs
An approximate completion rate of 66%.
I have no doubts that Cousins could step in and help the Browns win games this season. He is exactly whats missing. Who knows, maybe even reaching the playoffs. Barkley, Cousins, Gordon, Devalve, Njoku, Duke? Maybe Pryor is back. Thats a respectable lineup if you ask me.
I need a QB who wins games.. Not pad stats...
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Is that why he’s been franchise tagged the past 2 years?
Or is it because he’s set to become the highest paid FA?
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Is that why he’s been franchise tagged the past 2 years?
Or is it because he’s set to become the highest paid FA?
Is that why he’s been franchise tagged the past 2 years?
Or is it because he’s set to become the highest paid FA?
He's not embarrassing. That's it. No one tunes in to watch Kirk Cousins AND he doesn't win. 4000 passing yards in a season will get you tagged. You better put the '85 Bears defense and the 90's Cowboys offensive line around him for him to even sniff a Super Bowl. His dream is a Wild-Card win.
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Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
Does Cousins have ANY upside? He is what he is. A QB who piles up garbage time stats. Stinks in the red-zone going to the worst team in football. All he would provide is a quick-fix sense of legitimacy. Rebuild, don't patch.
BINGO!!!
We'll see what happens, but I agree. Cousins is a damned expensive bandaid.
Mike
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Kirk Cousins is a 4TH ROUND PICK who has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME. Nick Foles might cost some picks, but c'mon.
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
Zombo said:
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
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Well the BROWNS after going 1-15 and 0-16 and nearly what could have been an unbelievable 0-32 two season record can't expect any magic from ANY quarterback FA or #1 pick.
Forget the band-aids, rookie saviors, bridge QB, best of what's left, whatever behind the center the BROWNS are in a total team reclamation project and the best -PLAN A- is to acquire as many quality players as they can get in a pretty good draft.
I think even the best gung-ho, rah-rah, diehard, brown and orange sunglass wearing fan (like many of us) down deep kind of have this wait and see uneasy feeling about.
HOWEVER this might be a cornerstone draft for the Cleveland Browns and their beleaguered fans for the near future.
GO BROWNS, May the force be with you.....or whatever!
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Zombo said:
Are you familiar with the Redskins roster the last three years? Not much better than the Browns. Except QB.
Z
That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
You certainly have to assume Dorsey and these guys can turn all of these draft picks into a much better roster, and if you attract a good QB you will attract good playmakers. Don't see where he's a band aid, he's a solution. He solves starting QB for at least 3-5 years and resources are put into building the rest of the team so that we can WIN. SOON.
Zombo
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That's where I'm coming from Z- the other guys already said it- a real expensive band-aid that's going to get the Browns to (maybe) 8-8. At 30 years old, he is what he is. So Ghoolie can rag on his favorite whipping boy Coleman dropping Cousins' passes that hit him in the hands?
Why would Kirk even want to come to the Browns? Because we can throw more money at him than anyone else? That's a piss poor reason for a qb that wants to win now, and by his own admission already has $40 million in the bank, and can be selective where he wants to wind up. If the Jets want to throw $60 million front loaded at him this year- let them.
Honestly, I'm moderately certain McCarron can come within a win or two of what Cousins could post in Cleveland this year- at less than 1\2 the price.
You certainly have to assume Dorsey and these guys can turn all of these draft picks into a much better roster, and if you attract a good QB you will attract good playmakers. Don't see where he's a band aid, he's a solution. He solves starting QB for at least 3-5 years and resources are put into building the rest of the team so that we can WIN. SOON.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You certainly have to assume Dorsey and these guys can turn all of these draft picks into a much better roster, and if you attract a good QB you will attract good playmakers. Don't see where he's a band aid, he's a solution. He solves starting QB for at least 3-5 years and resources are put into building the rest of the team so that we can WIN. SOON.
Zombo
Its an argument in his behalf..to be sure. And if it goes that way, we can only hope.
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It has been stated here that now that the Jags have signed Blake Bortles to an extension....that that take they out of the potential running to sigh Kirk Cousins.....HOWEVER:
I heard that while the extension to Bortles gives him more overall money than he was expecting in his current deal...and gives him some security....it actually may HELP the Jags if they want to go after Cousins...because:
the extension reduces Bortles Cap number from 19 million a year....to 10 million a year. And 10 million per year is a palatable figure for a team for a BACKUP QB. If they signed Cousins....he would be making Top Starter money, for certain.....but then Bortles would be making regular backup money.
So...apparently DO NOT strike the Jags off the "possible landing sites for Cousins" list.
If Cousins wants to win....as he claims....he can go to JAX, get big money AND have a ready made championship challenging team around him. After all the Jags were just one big 2d half choke job from making the Super Bowl last year.
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THIS has always been he biggest issue about Cousins:
(from ESPN Jets reporter):
A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:
1. Struggles against top competition: The Jets' anticipated pursuit of Kirk Cousins is a hot-button issue among fans in New York. Should they shell out $30 million a year for the prospective free agent or try to find their quarterback in the draft? Both sides can make compelling arguments, but here's a factoid that might provide some clarity for those on the fence:
During his time with the Washington Redskins, Cousins' starting record against winning teams is 4-19 (based on their opponents' final record).
Yes, 4-19.
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Here is one of those reports that claims that the Jags are now out of the running for Cousins:
It claims that it takes away the Jags as a potential competitor for Cousins.
But...as noted in a couple of posts above.....others claim that that is by no means the case.
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THIS has always been he biggest issue about Cousins:
(from ESPN Jets reporter):
A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:
1. Struggles against top competition: The Jets' anticipated pursuit of Kirk Cousins is a hot-button issue among fans in New York. Should they shell out $30 million a year for the prospective free agent or try to find their quarterback in the draft? Both sides can make compelling arguments, but here's a factoid that might provide some clarity for those on the fence:
During his time with the Washington Redskins, Cousins' starting record against winning teams is 4-19 (based on their opponents' final record).
Yes, 4-19.
THIS has always been he biggest issue about Cousins:
(from ESPN Jets reporter):
A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:
1. Struggles against top competition: The Jets' anticipated pursuit of Kirk Cousins is a hot-button issue among fans in New York. Should they shell out $30 million a year for the prospective free agent or try to find their quarterback in the draft? Both sides can make compelling arguments, but here's a factoid that might provide some clarity for those on the fence:
During his time with the Washington Redskins, Cousins' starting record against winning teams is 4-19 (based on their opponents' final record).
Yes, 4-19.
If Cousins had an O-Line, running game, and a couple of decent WR's...little wonder he did struggle against top competition.
Washington's offense (outside of the QB position) was worse than the Browns.
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THIS has always been he biggest issue about Cousins:
(from ESPN Jets reporter):
A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:
1. Struggles against top competition: The Jets' anticipated pursuit of Kirk Cousins is a hot-button issue among fans in New York. Should they shell out $30 million a year for the prospective free agent or try to find their quarterback in the draft? Both sides can make compelling arguments, but here's a factoid that might provide some clarity for those on the fence:
During his time with the Washington Redskins, Cousins' starting record against winning teams is 4-19 (based on their opponents' final record).
Yes, 4-19.
If Cousins had an O-Line, running game, and a couple of decent WR's...little wonder he did struggle against top competition.
Washington's offense (outside of the QB position) was worse than the Browns.
If Cousins had an O-Line, running game, and a couple of decent WR's...little wonder he did struggle against top competition.
Washington's offense (outside of the QB position) was worse than the Browns.
But, perhaps, what his record there tells us is that he is not capable of elevating that offense to a productive, winning level.
I mean, fact it, what has Tom Brady had to work with over the years? Journeyman RBs like Dion Lewis, James White? Other than Randy Moss for a couple of years, no super WRs. Gronk, yes....a great weapon for him. I don't think his OL have been stellar at all times.
Its an issue.
In theory...he says he wants to go where he can win. The likes of JAX or Denver have the defenses. No one (except maybe some of us) expects that he can come to the Browns and win. Or....even to the Jets? Though they were competitive with Josh McCown.
Sorry...but this just drags out too long. Remember when they used to have the draft at the end of February? Hell, the 1970 Draft was held at the end of January. (but then the Super Bowl was held like the first week of January)
In fact...in checking....it all started in the mid 70ss. Note: 1975 NFL draft held Jan. 28/29th 1975. What happened after 1975? 1976 NFL Draft held April 8-9 1976. The 1977 draft held May 3-4 1977. The answer may be that they had about that time passed the rule that the league will go to a 16 game schedule, from 14 games. That did not start until 1978..but they must have been getting ready for it.
The main reason why there is such a gap between say the Super Bowl and the Combine is because the NFL collectively wants about a 3-4 week vacation so they can all go to the Caribbean or Hawaii to have time off. I can understand that....but it just drags thing out for us fans.
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If Cousins had an O-Line, running game, and a couple of decent WR's...little wonder he did struggle against top competition.
Washington's offense (outside of the QB position) was worse than the Browns.
But, perhaps, what his record there tells us is that he is not capable of elevating that offense to a productive, winning level.
I mean, fact it, what has Tom Brady had to work with over the years? Journeyman RBs like Dion Lewis, James White? Other than Randy Moss for a couple of years, no super WRs. Gronk, yes....a great weapon for him. I don't think his OL have been stellar at all times.
Its an issue.
In theory...he says he wants to go where he can win. The likes of JAX or Denver have the defenses. No one (except maybe some of us) expects that he can come to the Browns and win. Or....even to the Jets? Though they were competitive with Josh McCown.
Sorry...but this just drags out too long. Remember when they used to have the draft at the end of February? Hell, the 1970 Draft was held at the end of January. (but then the Super Bowl was held like the first week of January)
In fact...in checking....it all started in the mid 70ss. Note: 1975 NFL draft held Jan. 28/29th 1975. What happened after 1975? 1976 NFL Draft held April 8-9 1976. The 1977 draft held May 3-4 1977. The answer may be that they had about that time passed the rule that the league will go to a 16 game schedule, from 14 games. That did not start until 1978..but they must have been getting ready for it.
The main reason why there is such a gap between say the Super Bowl and the Combine is because the NFL collectively wants about a 3-4 week vacation so they can all go to the Caribbean or Hawaii to have time off. I can understand that....but it just drags thing out for us fans.
Sorry...but this just drags out too long. Remember when they used to have the draft at the end of February? Hell, the 1970 Draft was held at the end of January. (but then the Super Bowl was held like the first week of January)
I honestly think teams would be better off if the process was shorter. The longer the process, the more apt teams are to make stupid decisions because they are so removed from the players they are drafting actually playing.
If it was up to me, all American pro sports seasons would be shorter. The NFL would go back to 14 games, MLB would be around 140 games, the NBA and NHL would go to around 60 games. Quality over quantity, not so much overlapping of the sports seasons.
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Sorry...but this just drags out too long. Remember when they used to have the draft at the end of February? Hell, the 1970 Draft was held at the end of January. (but then the Super Bowl was held like the first week of January)
I honestly think teams would be better off if the process was shorter. The longer the process, the more apt teams are to make stupid decisions because they are so removed from the players they are drafting actually playing.
If it was up to me, all American pro sports seasons would be shorter. The NFL would go back to 14 games, MLB would be around 140 games, the NBA and NHL would go to around 60 games. Quality over quantity, not so much overlapping of the sports seasons.
I honestly think teams would be better off if the process was shorter. The longer the process, the more apt teams are to make stupid decisions because they are so removed from the players they are drafting actually playing.
If it was up to me, all American pro sports seasons would be shorter. The NFL would go back to 14 games, MLB would be around 140 games, the NBA and NHL would go to around 60 games. Quality over quantity, not so much overlapping of the sports seasons.
It's not the season length that is a problem. Its basically a 5 month football season. Much less than every other sport, I'm not entirely convinced the NBA season ever ends. The problem is the offseason is stretched out because the NFL wants to be in the news for 12 months. So therefore...combine in March and free agency...Draft in April. Minicamps in May and June..Traning camps open in July and preseason games in August. Now the NFL is in the news for the entire year.
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C'mon?
SUPER BOWL WINNING QUARTERBACKS NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS
Brady 6th, #199 overall
R. Wilson 3rd
Brees 2nd
B. Johnson 9th....#227, really?
Warner undraftedFavre 2nd
Young supplimental
Rypien 6th
Hostetter 3rd
Joe Montana 3rd.... a couple of Joes, lol
Joe Theisman 4th
Staubach 10th
Stabler 2nd
Unitas 9th
Bart Starr 17th.....remember him? #200 overall, I guess the BROWNS missed him tooCousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
Cousins has never thrown for 30 TD's in a season or had a 10 win season. Warren Moon and Drew Bledsoe threw for a lot of yards. This seems like the world's most expensive band-aid for a hatchet wound. At best he plays as well as Philip Rivers and the team wins nothing for 5 years. Rebuild, don't patch.
List the first rounders
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