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    @texasag1969 said:

    Then why wasn't his yds/carry much better? Michel's at 7.9 this year were off the charts.

    Just not buying.

    He was non existent in many games this season for being so physically dominant. He wasn't even the most dominating back in the Big Ten. Two true freshmen were. Taylor and Dobbins. Dobbins had to split time with Weber, and he still out rushed Saquon. 

    190 lb Bryce Love crushed him in YPC and total yardage. Granted, I think Love is absolutely amazing.... but still. 

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2017/group/80

    Interesting if you sort by YPC, Love, Penny and Michel are all in a row near the top. Barkley isn't even in the top 50. 

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    @sd_tom said:

    He was non existent in many games this season for being so physically dominant. He wasn't even the most dominating back in the Big Ten. Two true freshmen were. Taylor and Dobbins. Dobbins had to split time with Weber, and he still out rushed Saquon. 

    190 lb Bryce Love crushed him in YPC and total yardage. Granted, I think Love is absolutely amazing.... but still. 

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2017/group/80

    Interesting if you sort by YPC, Love, Penny and Michel are all in a row near the top. Barkley isn't even in the top 50. 

    Too much hype for a guy who gets tackled too easily and just hits a HR now and then to boost his average. Now Michel is just a damn tough runner who gets yds after first contact and has great vision/cutting ability. I think we have to trade up into the 1st to get him though. Maylock gets it.

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      @sd_tom said:

      He was non existent in many games this season for being so physically dominant. He wasn't even the most dominating back in the Big Ten. Two true freshmen were. Taylor and Dobbins. Dobbins had to split time with Weber, and he still out rushed Saquon. 

      190 lb Bryce Love crushed him in YPC and total yardage. Granted, I think Love is absolutely amazing.... but still. 

      http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2017/group/80

      Interesting if you sort by YPC, Love, Penny and Michel are all in a row near the top. Barkley isn't even in the top 50. 

      Too much hype for a guy who gets tackled too easily and just hits a HR now and then to boost his average. Now Michel is just a damn tough runner who gets yds after first contact and has great vision/cutting ability. I think we have to trade up into the 1st to get him though. Maylock gets it.

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      @texasag1969 said:

      Too much hype for a guy who gets tackled too easily and just hits a HR now and then to boost his average. Now Michel is just a damn tough runner who gets yds after first contact and has great vision/cutting ability. I think we have to trade up into the 1st to get him though. Maylock gets it.

      https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/Penny-Helps-Draft-Stock-at-NFL-Combine-475718673.html

      "Penny also showed good hands in the passing drills and had solid if not spectacular numbers in the bench press (13 reps at 225 pounds), vertical jump (32.5 inches), and broad jump (120 inches). But it was the pure speed that he needed to show he did that, clocking a time that’s a hundredth of a second faster than Ezekiel Elliott ran two years ago.In fact, Elliott is an interesting comparison to Penny. They’re the same size, ran the same times, had the same vertical jumps, and Penny’s broad jump was two inches better … yet Elliott was a consensus top-5 pick while Penny is trying solidify his standing as a 2nd-round selection."

      Penny and Michel are better RB's than Saquon. It's interesting that Penny and Zeke are almost identical stat wise, when Penny considers Zeke one of his biggest influences. 

      Side note- I saw Bill Polian talking about Mayfield, and he said "He better get good at holding a clipboard and getting coffee, cuz that's what he'll be doing in the NFL." LOL

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        I was amazed - Michel was pumping iron, Barkley was pumping iron.... interesting.

        and...how many reps on the bench press did Orlando do? 14 or something like that?

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        @calfoxwc said:

        I was amazed - Michel was pumping iron, Barkley was pumping iron.... interesting.

        and...how many reps on the bench press did Orlando do? 14 or something like that?

        Orlando just cost himself millions with that incredibly lousy performance. Looked like one of Ghoolie's Sumo wrestlers running and doing the drills. Doubtless knocked himself out of the first round. OK, in my 20s, I couldn't do 14 reps at 225. (Tennis player weakling) But I sure as hell could do better than a 19" vertical and a 5.8 40. Question is will Eisen post a better 40 on Monday?  😆

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          @texasag1969 said:

          Then why wasn't his yds/carry much better? Michel's at 7.9 this year were off the charts.

          Just not buying.

          He was non existent in many games this season for being so physically dominant. He wasn't even the most dominating back in the Big Ten. Two true freshmen were. Taylor and Dobbins. Dobbins had to split time with Weber, and he still out rushed Saquon. 

          190 lb Bryce Love crushed him in YPC and total yardage. Granted, I think Love is absolutely amazing.... but still. 

          http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2017/group/80

          Interesting if you sort by YPC, Love, Penny and Michel are all in a row near the top. Barkley isn't even in the top 50. 

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          gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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          @sd_tom said:

          190 lb Bryce Love crushed him in YPC and total yardage. Granted, I think Love is absolutely amazing.... but still. 

          Bryce Love knows a guy, that knows this guy & has a Twin Sister(Nyah) faster than both of them at NC State.. Chalk, B. Love as a favorite in 40 next combine..  https://nsjonline.com/article/2018/01/look-ahead-2018-player-of-the-year-all-eyes-on-hines/      

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            Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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            As hard as it is for me to get excited about Big 12 QBs because of the offenses run in that league, the same applies to OLinemen,. Many of them struggle making the transition to the NFL, specifically in the run game, because they are in the two point stance all game and their offense basically has them getting in the way of someone for a second or so in the run game, instead of driving the defensive player off the LOS.

            Draft Wisconsin OLinemen.

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              As hard as it is for me to get excited about Big 12 QBs because of the offenses run in that league, the same applies to OLinemen,. Many of them struggle making the transition to the NFL, specifically in the run game, because they are in the two point stance all game and their offense basically has them getting in the way of someone for a second or so in the run game, instead of driving the defensive player off the LOS.

              Draft Wisconsin OLinemen.

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              @dutch-oven said:

              As hard as it is for me to get excited about Big 12 QBs because of the offenses run in that league, the same applies to OLinemen,. Many of them struggle making the transition to the NFL, specifically in the run game, because they are in the two point stance all game and their offense basically has them getting in the way of someone for a second or so in the run game, instead of driving the defensive player off the LOS.

              Draft Wisconsin OLinemen.

              Brown has Cam Erving written all over him. What a pathetic showing yesterday. He should contract out to rep the Pillsbury Doughboy while his stock is high. Or IHOP pancakes.

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              • T TexasAg1969

                @jcam222 said:

                How can you possibly not support Barkley at 4?? I think you are going to be pretty pissed because I  convinced we are taking him at 1 and a QB at 4 or later. 

                Barkley is gone before 4.

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                @texasag1969 said:

                Barkley is gone before 4.

                Thats what I have said too.

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                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                  Who knows, but Barkley is THAT special a rb. I thought for sure that Sony Michel would be there in the late 2nd round, so we would simply nab him with our middle pick of three....but now...

                  yep, we may have to trade back up again to get him. When I watch some highlights of both, the the difference isn't that much.

                    Barkley is a little bigger, a little stronger. But their careers probably will be longer, since they don't take smashmouth hits as often, because they are both so explosive, fast and elusive, all the while being able to get yards after contact.

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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                    now, compare him with Barkley:

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                      Meanwhile, back at the ranch (eyeroll)

                      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762230-josh-allen-combine-coach-ryan-flaherty-says-wyoming-qb-can-throw-ball-90-yards

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                        Meanwhile, back at the ranch (eyeroll)

                        http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762230-josh-allen-combine-coach-ryan-flaherty-says-wyoming-qb-can-throw-ball-90-yards

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                        @calfoxwc said:

                        Meanwhile, back at the ranch (eyeroll)

                        http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762230-josh-allen-combine-coach-ryan-flaherty-says-wyoming-qb-can-throw-ball-90-yards

                        Bottom line in this article literally says, "Throwing the ball 90 yards at the combine would make headlines, but NFL scouts likely want to see accuracy from Allen as well as the draft draws nearer." 

                        And that's exactly why we should avoid him like the plague.

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                          LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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                          Allen is the oddity of the bunch.  He looks like a stiff 

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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            Meanwhile, back at the ranch (eyeroll)

                            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762230-josh-allen-combine-coach-ryan-flaherty-says-wyoming-qb-can-throw-ball-90-yards

                            Bottom line in this article literally says, "Throwing the ball 90 yards at the combine would make headlines, but NFL scouts likely want to see accuracy from Allen as well as the draft draws nearer." 

                            And that's exactly why we should avoid him like the plague.

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                            @texasag1969 said:

                            Bottom line in this article literally says, "Throwing the ball 90 yards at the combine would make headlines, but NFL scouts likely want to see accuracy from Allen as well as the draft draws nearer." 

                            And that's exactly why we should avoid him like the plague.

                            Yeah, but he can throw it 90 yards. You miss the silly point.

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                              Allen is the oddity of the bunch.  He looks like a stiff 

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                              @lbc-mike said:

                              Allen is the oddity of the bunch.  He looks like a stiff 

                              even Allen admits he needs (and is) working on footwork/accuracy/etc.

                              but he doesn't look like a stiff, albeit he's tall. He is far more athletic than that.

                              Come on, man. LOL

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                                LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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                                Just saying.  😐

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                                  LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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                                  Liking Kirk at wr 

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                                    darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                                    Antonio Callaway from Florida looks good as a mid to late rounder ....good 40 time and runs the routes well

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                                      darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                                      Josh Allen's arm 🙂

                                      Image result for cannonball fired

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                                        Poor JT has to follow Allen

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                                          runyon27R runyon27 wrote on last edited by
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                                          Allen has looked good in the drills and Charick out of LSU has looked good as well, I thought he looked very fluid during the gauntlet drill.

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