Barkley at #1?
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No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
Not really your best analogy.
They struggled just to win regular season games without him.
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No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
Not really your best analogy.
They struggled just to win regular season games without him.
Not really your best analogy.
They struggled just to win regular season games without him.
Although obviously unclear, my attempted point is that the Cowboys would have done better that year and present by improving their defense rather than Zeke.. the passD was 26th the year Ezekiel played the entire season, and they had Darren McFadden the season prior to Elliot so they weren't terrible at rushing.
Several places covered the Cowboys' stats this past year and showed their passD ranking was some weird luck and bad opponent play-calling, not good players.. and they would have been one top-notch DB better if they hadn't drafted Zeke.
Would they still struggle on O? Perhaps -- I'm not sold on Prescott, but that may be just me. But Dez took a big step down this past season [and broke his foot doing so] and that plays just as big a role.
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No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
Not really your best analogy.
They struggled just to win regular season games without him.
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Dorsey, Highsmith, and company definitely have a good problem here.
I think they narrow it down to two things (Browns main team weaknesses): the lack of TDs by our offense, and a below average secondary. So they need to triage if they want to draft and be patient with a shiny-new rookie QB at #1 (he's going to sit), or a RB who should be able to play in week #1. Then, assuming he's there at #4, it's Fitzpatrick.
He (Dorsey) probably could care less about a PR nightmare, but I do think if he trades down, we fans are going to be really pissed off. I'm expecting the Browns to stand pat, and draft players. Go down swinging with your draft board....that way we can only "what-if" on a player or two who they may have whiffed on. Yes, they are going to whiff folks, EVERY team does; let's just hope it's not at #1,4, & 33, 35.
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No no no no
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Dorsey, Highsmith, and company definitely have a good problem here.
I think they narrow it down to two things (Browns main team weaknesses): the lack of TDs by our offense, and a below average secondary. So they need to triage if they want to draft and be patient with a shiny-new rookie QB at #1 (he's going to sit), or a RB who should be able to play in week #1. Then, assuming he's there at #4, it's Fitzpatrick.
He (Dorsey) probably could care less about a PR nightmare, but I do think if he trades down, we fans are going to be really pissed off. I'm expecting the Browns to stand pat, and draft players. Go down swinging with your draft board....that way we can only "what-if" on a player or two who they may have whiffed on. Yes, they are going to whiff folks, EVERY team does; let's just hope it's not at #1,4, & 33, 35.
Dorsey, Highsmith, and company definitely have a good problem here.
I think they narrow it down to two things (Browns main team weaknesses): the lack of TDs by our offense, and a below average secondary. So they need to triage if they want to draft and be patient with a shiny-new rookie QB at #1 (he's going to sit), or a RB who should be able to play in week #1. Then, assuming he's there at #4, it's Fitzpatrick.
He (Dorsey) probably could care less about a PR nightmare, but I do think if he trades down, we fans are going to be really pissed off. I'm expecting the Browns to stand pat, and draft players. Go down swinging with your draft board....that way we can only "what-if" on a player or two who they may have whiffed on. Yes, they are going to whiff folks, EVERY team does; let's just hope it's not at #1,4, & 33, 35.
I'm OK with that. PR nightmares wear off real fast if you win too, like maybe in a week or two? Fans tend to have short memories at times.....and winning is the magic elixir.
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No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
Zeke only gets 2 years to win a playoff game or he's a horrible idea? Come on.
Before Emmitt Smith game changed Troy Aikman's situation from multiple concussions against Philly alone to frequenting playoffs and Superbowl Championships - their only playmaker Michael Irvin was waiting for help.
My point was, unless you think Dak Prescott didn't need Zeke's help at all, is he was a tremendous help to a first year starter at QB that wasn't the 1st or 2nd QB drafted ending in a Rookie of the Year celebration nobody saw coming.
Along the same line, Marshall Faulk was a gigantic help to a first year starter named Kurt Warner that was punctuated with Superbowl Championship, MVP and Pro Bowl honors for a QB nobody saw coming.
In saying all that, thanks for showing me if Barkley just played for Ohio State - Tia would be defending him the way you just got him to do. Good job with that. It looks like Barkley just had all those receptions, receiving yardage, rushing yardage, TDs and 1 Big 10 Championship to celebrate for the wrong school. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't remember too many other Big 10 Championships at Penn State the last 13 years or so before Barkley became their big play maker. I think if we can get past the patriotism for Ohio State - we'd allow ourselves to see a pretty damn good football player if we wanted to. The thing Ohio State had when they won the National Championship that Zeke didn't was a defense that stockpiled the NFL draft. And I think Ohio State put more starters on offense and defense into NFL starting lineups in fairness.
Zeke is one of my all time fave RBs at Ohio State so I have zero to put down and loved his most underrated feature of BLOCKING beside his breakaway ability to score from anywhere. Barkley can score from anywhere as well - inclusive of passing game and kickoff return. Even though Ohio State manhandled PSU's line up front this year - Barkley had a kickoff return for a TD and a reception for a TD just 1 year after they beat Ohio State head to head. Yeah, Ohio State got to go to the Final 4 instead of the Big 10 Champions in 2016 but they lost 42-0. So, Barkley had to settle for scoring 3 TDs against USC with 194 yards rushing on 25 carries plus 5 receptions for 55 yards in the Bowl game they lost 52-49.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
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The life of an NFL RB is limited. Drafting a QB at 1 gets you 15 years potentially of quality play.
Fitzpatrick or Chubb at 4 with a RB in the early 2nd is a far better usage of the picks.
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I would agree on this only if RB was our biggest hole in the roster and all other RB draftees were really subpar comparing to Barkley.
And tha's not our case.
I would agree on this only if RB was our biggest hole in the roster and all other RB draftees were really subpar comparing to Barkley.
And tha's not our case.
I respect your opinion and where you are coming from Nero. However, I don't see a scoring threat from anywhere on the field from our starting RB Crow who may be leaving via FA. In fact, how many TDs did he even score? Not all his fault, but so many times when he hit the open field - he'd trip or fall down rather than acceleration gear anybody. We're very non-competitive at our starting RB position IMO. Since RBs touch the ball more frequently than any other position beside QB - we need our starter to have at least the same ability to catch and score as Duke. I tried to spell a lot of why I liked him out but I probably put too many people to sleep with how long-winded I got.
My avatar is Greg Pruitt that was a home run threat any time he touched the football in the pass game or the running game especially. We've missed a breakaway threat at RB forever; and this one weighs about 230 lbs. He's unique man.
Try to remember scoring TDs is a very big need on this roster. Barkley scored 18 by land, 3 by air and 2 by kickoff return just in 2017. I LOVE what the 54 receptions for over 630 yards receiving also trained him for ahead. A lot of the other RBs are limited to 1 dimension like Sony Michel per say with 9 receptions over 14-15 games so the closest thing I see to Barkley is Rashaad Penny that won't go at #1 or #4 but may not be available in 1 of our spots later. I don't want to draft 2 RBs to get a complete RB. I want Alvan Kamara and Mark Ingram together if it's up at #1 overall. Anyway, that's where I'm coming from on this.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Dorsey, Highsmith, and company definitely have a good problem here.
I think they narrow it down to two things (Browns main team weaknesses): the lack of TDs by our offense, and a below average secondary. So they need to triage if they want to draft and be patient with a shiny-new rookie QB at #1 (he's going to sit), or a RB who should be able to play in week #1. Then, assuming he's there at #4, it's Fitzpatrick.
He (Dorsey) probably could care less about a PR nightmare, but I do think if he trades down, we fans are going to be really pissed off. I'm expecting the Browns to stand pat, and draft players. Go down swinging with your draft board....that way we can only "what-if" on a player or two who they may have whiffed on. Yes, they are going to whiff folks, EVERY team does; let's just hope it's not at #1,4, & 33, 35.
Dorsey, Highsmith, and company definitely have a good problem here.
I think they narrow it down to two things (Browns main team weaknesses): the lack of TDs by our offense, and a below average secondary. So they need to triage if they want to draft and be patient with a shiny-new rookie QB at #1 (he's going to sit), or a RB who should be able to play in week #1. Then, assuming he's there at #4, it's Fitzpatrick.
He (Dorsey) probably could care less about a PR nightmare, but I do think if he trades down, we fans are going to be really pissed off. I'm expecting the Browns to stand pat, and draft players. Go down swinging with your draft board....that way we can only "what-if" on a player or two who they may have whiffed on. Yes, they are going to whiff folks, EVERY team does; let's just hope it's not at #1,4, & 33, 35.
I would bet a healthy amount of money we're trading out of the #1 or the #4....or both.
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I would agree on this only if RB was our biggest hole in the roster and all other RB draftees were really subpar comparing to Barkley.
And tha's not our case.
I respect your opinion and where you are coming from Nero. However, I don't see a scoring threat from anywhere on the field from our starting RB Crow who may be leaving via FA. In fact, how many TDs did he even score? Not all his fault, but so many times when he hit the open field - he'd trip or fall down rather than acceleration gear anybody. We're very non-competitive at our starting RB position IMO. Since RBs touch the ball more frequently than any other position beside QB - we need our starter to have at least the same ability to catch and score as Duke. I tried to spell a lot of why I liked him out but I probably put too many people to sleep with how long-winded I got.
My avatar is Greg Pruitt that was a home run threat any time he touched the football in the pass game or the running game especially. We've missed a breakaway threat at RB forever; and this one weighs about 230 lbs. He's unique man.
Try to remember scoring TDs is a very big need on this roster. Barkley scored 18 by land, 3 by air and 2 by kickoff return just in 2017. I LOVE what the 54 receptions for over 630 yards receiving also trained him for ahead. A lot of the other RBs are limited to 1 dimension like Sony Michel per say with 9 receptions over 14-15 games so the closest thing I see to Barkley is Rashaad Penny that won't go at #1 or #4 but may not be available in 1 of our spots later. I don't want to draft 2 RBs to get a complete RB. I want Alvan Kamara and Mark Ingram together if it's up at #1 overall. Anyway, that's where I'm coming from on this.
I respect your opinion and where you are coming from Nero. However, I don't see a scoring threat from anywhere on the field from our starting RB Crow who may be leaving via FA. In fact, how many TDs did he even score? Not all his fault, but so many times when he hit the open field - he'd trip or fall down rather than acceleration gear anybody. We're very non-competitive at our starting RB position IMO. Since RBs touch the ball more frequently than any other position beside QB - we need our starter to have at least the same ability to catch and score as Duke. I tried to spell a lot of why I liked him out but I probably put too many people to sleep with how long-winded I got.
My avatar is Greg Pruitt that was a home run threat any time he touched the football in the pass game or the running game especially. We've missed a breakaway threat at RB forever; and this one weighs about 230 lbs. He's unique man.
I said "our biggest hole" I didn't say it wasn't a hole. Crowell isn't a homerun RB and Hue doesn't know how to call run plays, we definitely need to draft a RB. But our holes at QB and CB/Safety are far bigger.
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For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
I've slightly changed my mind about Barkley #1 overall. Some of this is Combine Euphoria workout warrior stuff. Vernon Gholston anyone? I'm going to let the dust settle before I throw my hat in the Saquon ring. Still 60% QB at #1.
It's been well documented Saquon got most of his yardage outside the tackles- a lot tougher act to repeat in the NFL. Sure teams were keying on stopping him- but I noticed in the TE Combine workouts Penn State's Mike Gesicki isn't exactly a bum- my bet is he's first round for sure. For Saquon's runs- it was swing miss, swing miss, home run.
MHO is still #1 QB + Fitzpartick\Chubb is > Barkley + ? QB. And we still may have the scenario where quarterbacks go with the top 3 picks- and Barkley is still there at #4.
Stay tuned folks.
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The Browns are apparently
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No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
Zeke only gets 2 years to win a playoff game or he's a horrible idea? Come on.
Before Emmitt Smith game changed Troy Aikman's situation from multiple concussions against Philly alone to frequenting playoffs and Superbowl Championships - their only playmaker Michael Irvin was waiting for help.
My point was, unless you think Dak Prescott didn't need Zeke's help at all, is he was a tremendous help to a first year starter at QB that wasn't the 1st or 2nd QB drafted ending in a Rookie of the Year celebration nobody saw coming.
Along the same line, Marshall Faulk was a gigantic help to a first year starter named Kurt Warner that was punctuated with Superbowl Championship, MVP and Pro Bowl honors for a QB nobody saw coming.
In saying all that, thanks for showing me if Barkley just played for Ohio State - Tia would be defending him the way you just got him to do. Good job with that. It looks like Barkley just had all those receptions, receiving yardage, rushing yardage, TDs and 1 Big 10 Championship to celebrate for the wrong school. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't remember too many other Big 10 Championships at Penn State the last 13 years or so before Barkley became their big play maker. I think if we can get past the patriotism for Ohio State - we'd allow ourselves to see a pretty damn good football player if we wanted to. The thing Ohio State had when they won the National Championship that Zeke didn't was a defense that stockpiled the NFL draft. And I think Ohio State put more starters on offense and defense into NFL starting lineups in fairness.
Zeke is one of my all time fave RBs at Ohio State so I have zero to put down and loved his most underrated feature of BLOCKING beside his breakaway ability to score from anywhere. Barkley can score from anywhere as well - inclusive of passing game and kickoff return. Even though Ohio State manhandled PSU's line up front this year - Barkley had a kickoff return for a TD and a reception for a TD just 1 year after they beat Ohio State head to head. Yeah, Ohio State got to go to the Final 4 instead of the Big 10 Champions in 2016 but they lost 42-0. So, Barkley had to settle for scoring 3 TDs against USC with 194 yards rushing on 25 carries plus 5 receptions for 55 yards in the Bowl game they lost 52-49.
Zeke only gets 2 years to win a playoff game or he's a horrible idea? Come on.
Before Emmitt Smith game changed Troy Aikman's situation from multiple concussions against Philly alone to frequenting playoffs and Superbowl Championships - their only playmaker Michael Irvin was waiting for help.
My point was, unless you think Dak Prescott didn't need Zeke's help at all, is he was a tremendous help to a first year starter at QB that wasn't the 1st or 2nd QB drafted ending in a Rookie of the Year celebration nobody saw coming.
Along the same line, Marshall Faulk was a gigantic help to a first year starter named Kurt Warner that was punctuated with Superbowl Championship, MVP and Pro Bowl honors for a QB nobody saw coming.
In saying all that, thanks for showing me if Barkley just played for Ohio State - Tia would be defending him the way you just got him to do. Good job with that. It looks like Barkley just had all those receptions, receiving yardage, rushing yardage, TDs and 1 Big 10 Championship to celebrate for the wrong school. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't remember too many other Big 10 Championships at Penn State the last 13 years or so before Barkley became their big play maker. I think if we can get past the patriotism for Ohio State - we'd allow ourselves to see a pretty damn good football player if we wanted to. The thing Ohio State had when they won the National Championship that Zeke didn't was a defense that stockpiled the NFL draft. And I think Ohio State put more starters on offense and defense into NFL starting lineups in fairness.
Zeke is one of my all time fave RBs at Ohio State so I have zero to put down and loved his most underrated feature of BLOCKING beside his breakaway ability to score from anywhere. Barkley can score from anywhere as well - inclusive of passing game and kickoff return. Even though Ohio State manhandled PSU's line up front this year - Barkley had a kickoff return for a TD and a reception for a TD just 1 year after they beat Ohio State head to head. Yeah, Ohio State got to go to the Final 4 instead of the Big 10 Champions in 2016 but they lost 42-0. So, Barkley had to settle for scoring 3 TDs against USC with 194 yards rushing on 25 carries plus 5 receptions for 55 yards in the Bowl game they lost 52-49.
They lost 31-0 ?
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For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
Against a RB that high in the modern NFL especially when it's becoming more and more obvious you can find tremendous value and production past the 1st round now.
Love Zeke and watching him, but would you rather have a 5-6 year back as a top 5 pick or spend that pick on a position with more longevity while taking someone like... David Johnson in a later round? I lean towards the latter.
edit: I'm also of the belief Barkley is a combine freak only because I don't love what I see on tape.
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I respect your opinion and where you are coming from Nero. However, I don't see a scoring threat from anywhere on the field from our starting RB Crow who may be leaving via FA. In fact, how many TDs did he even score? Not all his fault, but so many times when he hit the open field - he'd trip or fall down rather than acceleration gear anybody. We're very non-competitive at our starting RB position IMO. Since RBs touch the ball more frequently than any other position beside QB - we need our starter to have at least the same ability to catch and score as Duke. I tried to spell a lot of why I liked him out but I probably put too many people to sleep with how long-winded I got.
My avatar is Greg Pruitt that was a home run threat any time he touched the football in the pass game or the running game especially. We've missed a breakaway threat at RB forever; and this one weighs about 230 lbs. He's unique man.
I said "our biggest hole" I didn't say it wasn't a hole. Crowell isn't a homerun RB and Hue doesn't know how to call run plays, we definitely need to draft a RB. But our holes at QB and CB/Safety are far bigger.
I said "our biggest hole" I didn't say it wasn't a hole. Crowell isn't a homerun RB and Hue doesn't know how to call run plays, we definitely need to draft a RB. But our holes at QB and CB/Safety are far bigger.
I was editing it while you were replying so please take a look at scoring TDs on offense as our biggest hole. It is and aside from the QB position what position on offense touches the ball 2nd most frequently? If that's not enough, Crow is also a FA that may no longer be with us.
If you want to see what playing gridiron chess exclusively with pawns feels like - challenge someone to a game of chess and only use pawns but let your opponent use all the major attack pieces plus his pawns. Then tell me how easy is it is to use coherent strategies. It wasn't like the bad playcalling started just in 2016. Yeah, I agree it was horrible. That said, when the SAME OC had talent in Cincy - they were 12-4 with the guy playing gridiron chess feeling way less desperate and knee jerky than he was with the talent he had to work with in Cleveland. The year after he left Cincy they dropped to 6-9-1 with players complaining about the flat line in play calling (ie AJ Green) which carried over into 2017. Even better, Hue has hired a replacement at OC so he can focus more on being a HC that he was hired to be.
Nero, if we don't draft a QB first overall (assuming NYG and Indy don't want the #1 pass rusher in the draft) - what is the maximum # of QBs that will be drafted at #2 and #3 overall? In a year where there is arguably no clear cut consensus #1 QB prospect - there is very little drop-off in the top 3 QBs. Darnold wasn't even confident enough to compete this weekend while others stepped up and did well for themselves. My point is we'll have a top QB prospect in this draft class at #4 overall not to be confused with round 2 or 3 or 4. Not only that, we have enough money to land a very qualified FA veteran our rookie QB can learn from if necessary.
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Zeke only gets 2 years to win a playoff game or he's a horrible idea? Come on.
Before Emmitt Smith game changed Troy Aikman's situation from multiple concussions against Philly alone to frequenting playoffs and Superbowl Championships - their only playmaker Michael Irvin was waiting for help.
My point was, unless you think Dak Prescott didn't need Zeke's help at all, is he was a tremendous help to a first year starter at QB that wasn't the 1st or 2nd QB drafted ending in a Rookie of the Year celebration nobody saw coming.
Along the same line, Marshall Faulk was a gigantic help to a first year starter named Kurt Warner that was punctuated with Superbowl Championship, MVP and Pro Bowl honors for a QB nobody saw coming.
In saying all that, thanks for showing me if Barkley just played for Ohio State - Tia would be defending him the way you just got him to do. Good job with that. It looks like Barkley just had all those receptions, receiving yardage, rushing yardage, TDs and 1 Big 10 Championship to celebrate for the wrong school. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't remember too many other Big 10 Championships at Penn State the last 13 years or so before Barkley became their big play maker. I think if we can get past the patriotism for Ohio State - we'd allow ourselves to see a pretty damn good football player if we wanted to. The thing Ohio State had when they won the National Championship that Zeke didn't was a defense that stockpiled the NFL draft. And I think Ohio State put more starters on offense and defense into NFL starting lineups in fairness.
Zeke is one of my all time fave RBs at Ohio State so I have zero to put down and loved his most underrated feature of BLOCKING beside his breakaway ability to score from anywhere. Barkley can score from anywhere as well - inclusive of passing game and kickoff return. Even though Ohio State manhandled PSU's line up front this year - Barkley had a kickoff return for a TD and a reception for a TD just 1 year after they beat Ohio State head to head. Yeah, Ohio State got to go to the Final 4 instead of the Big 10 Champions in 2016 but they lost 42-0. So, Barkley had to settle for scoring 3 TDs against USC with 194 yards rushing on 25 carries plus 5 receptions for 55 yards in the Bowl game they lost 52-49.
They lost 31-0 ?
They lost 31-0 ?
My bad, but that didn't make it any more of a nail biter.
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