Great video from Jeff Risdon on what he heard at the Combine regarding the Browns and potential targets in both the draft and FA (~35 mins)
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Had to share this reddit thread. Why? It really captures many points I have gotten to since I last posted here. I've interjected the significant points in Italics.
Link to video: https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/status/970483927323299841
Transcript-ish summary courtesy of reddit OP:
Major points:
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Starts off by saying that nobody knows what the Browns are doing at 1, including the Browns, so if someone says that they do, tell them to Shmuck off because they're lying.
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Thinks that Darnold and Rosen are the two guys in the mix at 1, with Mayfield having the ability to sneak in. Thinks that the Rosen personality stuff was put largely to rest, thinks that people are of the belief that Darnold has the bigger upside. Franchise level floor still has me in Rosen's corner.
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More he talked to people, the less he thought that the Browns would pursue McCarron. Thinks that McCarron does not want to be a bridge QB and wants a long term deal.
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Thinks that Sam Bradford will be day one starter for Cleveland. This pairing works with Rosen.
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Thinks that Derwin James is in play at 4 if he knocks it out of the park in drills (he did). If Saquon Barkley, Brad Chubb, and Minkah Fitzpatrick are all on the board at 4, he believes that Fitzpatrick is a solid third place there. James overtook Minkah for me at The Combine... and I think we can trade back a little and still land him.
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Met with a lot of second-tier safety prospects. Mentions Quin Blanding, DeShon Elliott, Armani Watts.
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"I wouldn't get too attached to Derrick Kindred, wink wink, nudge nudge."
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Browns are focusing on two things at WR: a big guy who can work the middle of the field, and a guy who can play in the slot. Brings up the names Courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, Braxton Berrios, Richie James. Looking at slot guys around the mid-rounds of the draft.
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Says that people are already talking about next year's defensive tackle and end class. Says that the Packers - like Wolf and Highsmith - focused a lot on future mapping, so he doesn't expect them to target DL too much. Mentions Nathan Shepherd as a guy that is catching attention.
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Says that they're pretty high on Ogunjobi and Brantley in Cleveland.
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Reiterates that Fitzpatrick is not as viable of an option. Mentions Barkley, Chubb, James, and trading down as more viable.
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Says "50-50 at worst" if they trade the pick. Says "hell yes" it is absolutely for sale. Says it's a hot pick.
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He knows they like Sony Michel and Ronald Jones quite a bit. I'm liking Kerryon Johnson in Rnd 2.
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"I'll say this about Isaiah Crowell...if he even answers the phone if it's got a 216 on it, I'll be shocked...when Hue threw him under the bus, Crowell's not the type of guy to take that very lightly."
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Mentions Jets at 6 as a tradeback from 4. Mentions Buffalo's picks at 21 and 22 as a trade up opportunity.
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Would not surprise him if they passed on Barkley at 4 for better value at a position.
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Apparently evaluators do not like this OT class at all. Me neither... been watching some tape and there's not much to write up.
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Browns see Quenton Nelson as a guard, does not see that happening. Good year to need an OG.
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Knows the Browns are happy with Emmanuel Ogbah, but mentions that getting a speed rusher is attractive to them. Says that if Ogbah can get up to ~290 lbs., sees them moving him inside as a 3T DT. Brings up how the Texans had JJ Watt, Jadeveon Clowney, and Whitney Mercilus and said "yeah, block us bitch". Thinks that they see value in adding Chubb for that reason.
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Personally thinks that WR is the second biggest need for the Browns after QB. Says that there's a general feeling around the league that people don't trust Josh Gordon. Says he needs a full season to prove himself.
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Thinks that Mike Gesicki could be a good fit with the Browns in the top of the third or so as a split TE. Mentions that he's pretty much strictly a receiver and would add a lot of value in the redzone. Again brings up Courtland Sutton. Jester Weah.
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General consensus is that Calvin Ridley or Courtland Sutton will be first WR off the board. Says that strength of receiver class is early day three, thinks the Browns will be active there. Watch for our interest in the two DJs... LSU's Chark and Maryland's Moore. Both are rising up boards. Moore may now be in Rnd 1.
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Expresses belief that they need to get a DT. Knows that they really liked Poona Ford, who wasn't at Combine. Mentions Marcell Frazier, Kahlil Mckenzie.
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Kirk Cousins is out. Again reiterates less convinced on McCarron coming to Cleveland. Thinks it'll be Sam Bradford.
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Says he doesn't know the truth, but mentions that people that are bigger in the media than him that are very certain that Kizer will be traded. Mainly because they don't think he'll ever play in Cleveland due to drafting a guy number one, and he has more value in a trade than as the third guy here. Says that Kizer's worth is more as a trade sweetener, such as to move up from 33 to Buffalo's 22.
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Says that a lot of guys will not be back in Cleveland.
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Rails on Tony Grossi without ever naming him. Calls him cowpoop, essentially.
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See y'all around...
Had to share this reddit thread. Why? It really captures many points I have gotten to since I last posted here. I've interjected the significant points in Italics.
Link to video: https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/status/970483927323299841
Transcript-ish summary courtesy of reddit OP:
A lot of interesting stuff.
Major points:
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Starts off by saying that nobody knows what the Browns are doing at 1, including the Browns, so if someone says that they do, tell them to Shmuck off because they're lying. I certainly buy this....that Browns still not decided at all.
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Thinks that Darnold and Rosen are the two guys in the mix at 1, with Mayfield having the ability to sneak in. Thinks that the Rosen personality stuff was put largely to rest, thinks that people are of the belief that Darnold has the bigger upside. Franchise level floor still has me in Rosen's corner. I am in no camp...but I would be fine with this.
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More he talked to people, the less he thought that the Browns would pursue McCarron. Thinks that McCarron does not want to be a bridge QB and wants a long term deal. I agree. McCarron does not want to play the tutor position.
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Thinks that Sam Bradford will be day one starter for Cleveland. This pairing works with Rosen. Yes..but it could maybe work with any pairing.
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Thinks that Derwin James is in play at 4 if he knocks it out of the park in drills (he did). If Saquon Barkley, Brad Chubb, and Minkah Fitzpatrick are all on the board at 4, he believes that Fitzpatrick is a solid third place there. James overtook Minkah for me at The Combine... and I think we can trade back a little and still land him. Surprising statement....did he take over for Dorsey et al? We just need a top safety.
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Met with a lot of second-tier safety prospects. Mentions Quin Blanding, DeShon Elliott, Armani Watts.
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"I wouldn't get too attached to Derrick Kindred, wink wink, nudge nudge." He could still be a decent backup or 5th/6th DB. Does the author think he will be traded? Certainly not released with our weakness back there.
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Browns are focusing on two things at WR: a big guy who can work the middle of the field, and a guy who can play in the slot. Brings up the names Courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, Braxton Berrios, Richie James. Looking at slot guys around the mid-rounds of the draft. Not much faith then in the Louis/Higgins etc. bunch then?
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Says that people are already talking about next year's defensive tackle and end class. Says that the Packers - like Wolf and Highsmith - focused a lot on future mapping, so he doesn't expect them to target DL too much. Mentions Nathan Shepherd as a guy that is catching attention.
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Says that they're pretty high on Ogunjobi and Brantley in Cleveland. Hopefully a couple of real steals.
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Reiterates that Fitzpatrick is not as viable of an option. Mentions Barkley, Chubb, James, and trading down as more viable. Boy, I don't know...Minkah gets a lot of love around here as a possible choice.. They may take someone else, but I still think he is "viable".
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Says "50-50 at worst" if they trade the pick. Says "hell yes" it is absolutely for sale. Says it's a hot pick. You mean #1..or #4...or either? I would say certainly that either would be a hot pick.
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He knows they like Sony Michel and Ronald Jones quite a bit. I'm liking Kerryon Johnson in Rnd 2. Fair statement...lets just get a guy that Haley can use. Maybe he sees some Leveon Bell in those two. (Bell...a 2d rounder)
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"I'll say this about Isaiah Crowell...if he even answers the phone if it's got a 216 on it, I'll be shocked...when Hue threw him under the bus, Crowell's not the type of guy to take that very lightly." Don't blame Crow...not really. I do think that Hue threw a lot of disrespect his way.
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Mentions Jets at 6 as a tradeback from 4. Mentions Buffalo's picks at 21 and 22 as a trade up opportunity. Go from 4 to 6 and get what? And use 2d rounders in a package with Bills...for some quality? Could be a good move.
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Would not surprise him if they passed on Barkley at 4 for better value at a position. We would have to have a wake for PoG.
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Apparently evaluators do not like this OT class at all. Me neither... been watching some tape and there's not much to write up. Yep...would have to go with a later rounder in that case.
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Browns see Quenton Nelson as a guard, does not see that happening. Good year to need an OG. I think Browns need a backup OG behind Bito and Zeitler.....but not likely to look Nelson's way.
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Knows the Browns are happy with Emmanuel Ogbah, but mentions that getting a speed rusher is attractive to them. Says that if Ogbah can get up to ~290 lbs., sees them moving him inside as a 3T DT. Brings up how the Texans had JJ Watt, Jadeveon Clowney, and Whitney Mercilus and said "yeah, block us bitch". Thinks that they see value in adding Chubb for that reason. That could be an awesome DL....maybe send BR into retirement early!!
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Personally thinks that WR is the second biggest need for the Browns after QB. Says that there's a general feeling around the league that people don't trust Josh Gordon. Says he needs a full season to prove himself. I think DB more critical need...but no doubt otherwise what he says is true.
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Thinks that Mike Gesicki could be a good fit with the Browns in the top of the third or so as a split TE. Mentions that he's pretty much strictly a receiver and would add a lot of value in the redzone. Again brings up Courtland Sutton. Jester Weah.
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General consensus is that Calvin Ridley or Courtland Sutton will be first WR off the board. Says that strength of receiver class is early day three, thinks the Browns will be active there. Watch for our interest in the two DJs... LSU's Chark and Maryland's Moore. Both are rising up boards. Moore may now be in Rnd 1. I heard that Ridley had some bad numbers at the Combine. Didn't see them...any word there?
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Expresses belief that they need to get a DT. Knows that they really liked Poona Ford, who wasn't at Combine. Mentions Marcell Frazier, Kahlil Mckenzie. Just curious....why...when we have Shelton, Coley, Meder, Ogunjobi, Brantley?
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Kirk Cousins is out. Again reiterates less convinced on McCarron coming to Cleveland. Thinks it'll be Sam Bradford. I have thought this way for some time now.
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Says he doesn't know the truth, but mentions that people that are bigger in the media than him that are very certain that Kizer will be traded. Mainly because they don't think he'll ever play in Cleveland due to drafting a guy number one, and he has more value in a trade than as the third guy here. Says that Kizer's worth is more as a trade sweetener, such as to move up from 33 to Buffalo's 22. Only conceivable way I see of Kizer going.
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Says that a lot of guys will not be back in Cleveland. Well...that is always the case. (Especially when a new personell regime takes over
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Rails on Tony Grossi without ever naming him. Calls him cowpoop, essentially. I still always liked Grossi. I sense some professional jealousy. Grossi is, after all, the Cleveland rep to the HOF voting committee.
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See y'all around...
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It is great that nobody knows what are the Browns doing with #1 pick. The longer it stays like that, the better for us.
McCarron is going to feel disappointed if he thinks he can be a long term starter. He needs to show first that he can play one full season and produce.
After this, I believe that we're targetting a WR, DE and CB in FA. Only DE that stands out in the draft is Chubb, there's no mention to a CB in the draft, and I don't see us filling 2 WR spots only with the draft (mostly when there's not so many quality WRs to choose from this year).
Welcome to the board!
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Welcome back my friend. Now get over to the Political Board before it's completely gone to hell with you know who.
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Bradford would be a great addition
We just have to hope he stays healthy, that's been his biggest problem. And if we only have Darnold or Rosen behind him, I feel bad for this team. Let's just hope he stays healthy for at least 5 or 6 games, enough time for the backups to learn the position and start.
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Bradford would be a great addition
We just have to hope he stays healthy, that's been his biggest problem. And if we only have Darnold or Rosen behind him, I feel bad for this team. Let's just hope he stays healthy for at least 5 or 6 games, enough time for the backups to learn the position and start.
We just have to hope he stays healthy, that's been his biggest problem. And if we only have Darnold or Rosen behind him, I feel bad for this team. Let's just hope he stays healthy for at least 5 or 6 games, enough time for the backups to learn the position and start.
He can also teach Kizer how to play. That's what I would hope for. About 5 to games out of Bradford until whichever rookie takes over
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We just have to hope he stays healthy, that's been his biggest problem. And if we only have Darnold or Rosen behind him, I feel bad for this team. Let's just hope he stays healthy for at least 5 or 6 games, enough time for the backups to learn the position and start.
He can also teach Kizer how to play. That's what I would hope for. About 5 to games out of Bradford until whichever rookie takes over
He can also teach Kizer how to play. That's what I would hope for. About 5 to games out of Bradford until whichever rookie takes over
I don't have a problem with that either. I'm one of the few that thinks Kizer never had anyone to teach him anything, just thrown into the mix. Especially at 20 years old.
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He can also teach Kizer how to play. That's what I would hope for. About 5 to games out of Bradford until whichever rookie takes over
I don't have a problem with that either. I'm one of the few that thinks Kizer never had anyone to teach him anything, just thrown into the mix. Especially at 20 years old.
I don't have a problem with that either. I'm one of the few that thinks Kizer never had anyone to teach him anything, just thrown into the mix. Especially at 20 years old.
Totally agree. Many felt he had the most upside if all QB's last draft, but he needed a lot of time. Browns gave him zero time to learn. And nobody to learn from.
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If that's Derwin as SS and Pep stays deep, I'll be pretty annoyed.
Annoyed for Pep at least
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If that's Derwin as SS and Pep stays deep, I'll be pretty annoyed.
Annoyed for Pep at least
If that's Derwin as SS and Pep stays deep, I'll be pretty annoyed.
Annoyed for Pep at least
Totally agree. I don't understand drafting James at all if he's projected to be a strong safety, with Peppers already on the roster. I like Fitzpatrick better because of his versatility AND his ability to fill needs on this team.
Glad to see you back Tour.
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Welcome back my friend. Now get over to the Political Board before it's completely gone to hell with you know who.
Welcome back my friend. Now get over to the Political Board before it's completely gone to hell with you know who.
Princess?
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They can't be both "High on Ogunjobi and Brantley" and "Know they need to get a DT" -- You can do a lot worse than Meder in this league as your 4th DT, and Coley as your 5th DT is still good enough to start on some teams.
Tim Jernigan is Ogunjobi with a couple years of experience and he signed 4y/48M with Philly.. Brantley/Meder are good as starter replacements due to injury.
"There is no documented evidence of Rosen saying he does not want to play for the Cleveland Browns."
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They can't be both "High on Ogunjobi and Brantley" and "Know they need to get a DT" -- You can do a lot worse than Meder in this league as your 4th DT, and Coley as your 5th DT is still good enough to start on some teams.
Tim Jernigan is Ogunjobi with a couple years of experience and he signed 4y/48M with Philly.. Brantley/Meder are good as starter replacements due to injury.
"There is no documented evidence of Rosen saying he does not want to play for the Cleveland Browns."
They can't be both "High on Ogunjobi and Brantley" and "Know they need to get a DT" -- You can do a lot worse than Meder in this league as your 4th DT, and Coley as your 5th DT is still good enough to start on some teams.
Tim Jernigan is Ogunjobi with a couple years of experience and he signed 4y/48M with Philly.. Brantley/Meder are good as starter replacements due to injury.
"There is no documented evidence of Rosen saying he does not want to play for the Cleveland Browns."
I've also said many times that these character "issues" are bs. Rosen learned the UCLA playbook in 3 days as a freshman and it led to him being their first true freshman starter in school history. I'll take a smart QB any day. It would be very nice having someone like this throwing to Josh Gordon. yes it's the combine, but it shows he's got a plenty strong arm, and he can hit guys in perfect stride.
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They can't be both "High on Ogunjobi and Brantley" and "Know they need to get a DT" -- You can do a lot worse than Meder in this league as your 4th DT, and Coley as your 5th DT is still good enough to start on some teams.
Tim Jernigan is Ogunjobi with a couple years of experience and he signed 4y/48M with Philly.. Brantley/Meder are good as starter replacements due to injury.
"There is no documented evidence of Rosen saying he does not want to play for the Cleveland Browns."
I've also said many times that these character "issues" are bs. Rosen learned the UCLA playbook in 3 days as a freshman and it led to him being their first true freshman starter in school history. I'll take a smart QB any day. It would be very nice having someone like this throwing to Josh Gordon. yes it's the combine, but it shows he's got a plenty strong arm, and he can hit guys in perfect stride.
I've also said many times that these character "issues" are bs. Rosen learned the UCLA playbook in 3 days as a freshman and it led to him being their first true freshman starter in school history. I'll take a smart QB any day. It would be very nice having someone like this throwing to Josh Gordon. yes it's the combine, but it shows he's got a plenty strong arm, and he can hit guys in perfect stride.
Only thing I'm worried about Rosen is the concussion history. He's also the least mobile of the "Big Three". That would be Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield. After seeing him at the combine, he certainly has a tennis player build. Totally agree with Risdon as to what in the hell everyone is seeing in Allen other than a bazooka arm.
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Welcome back Tour, always respect your views man.
Nice summary above
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I've also said many times that these character "issues" are bs. Rosen learned the UCLA playbook in 3 days as a freshman and it led to him being their first true freshman starter in school history. I'll take a smart QB any day. It would be very nice having someone like this throwing to Josh Gordon. yes it's the combine, but it shows he's got a plenty strong arm, and he can hit guys in perfect stride.
Only thing I'm worried about Rosen is the concussion history. He's also the least mobile of the "Big Three". That would be Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield. After seeing him at the combine, he certainly has a tennis player build. Totally agree with Risdon as to what in the hell everyone is seeing in Allen other than a bazooka arm.
Only thing I'm worried about Rosen is the concussion history. He's also the least mobile of the "Big Three". That would be Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield. After seeing him at the combine, he certainly has a tennis player build. Totally agree with Risdon as to what in the hell everyone is seeing in Allen other than a bazooka arm.
Rosen out performed Darnold in several of the athletic drills. He was very close in the others.
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I've also said many times that these character "issues" are bs. Rosen learned the UCLA playbook in 3 days as a freshman and it led to him being their first true freshman starter in school history. I'll take a smart QB any day. It would be very nice having someone like this throwing to Josh Gordon. yes it's the combine, but it shows he's got a plenty strong arm, and he can hit guys in perfect stride.
Only thing I'm worried about Rosen is the concussion history. He's also the least mobile of the "Big Three". That would be Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield. After seeing him at the combine, he certainly has a tennis player build. Totally agree with Risdon as to what in the hell everyone is seeing in Allen other than a bazooka arm.
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Had to share this reddit thread. Why? It really captures many points I have gotten to since I last posted here. I've interjected the significant points in Italics.
Link to video: https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/status/970483927323299841
Transcript-ish summary courtesy of reddit OP:
Major points:
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Starts off by saying that nobody knows what the Browns are doing at 1, including the Browns, so if someone says that they do, tell them to Shmuck off because they're lying.
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Thinks that Darnold and Rosen are the two guys in the mix at 1, with Mayfield having the ability to sneak in. Thinks that the Rosen personality stuff was put largely to rest, thinks that people are of the belief that Darnold has the bigger upside. Franchise level floor still has me in Rosen's corner.
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More he talked to people, the less he thought that the Browns would pursue McCarron. Thinks that McCarron does not want to be a bridge QB and wants a long term deal.
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Thinks that Sam Bradford will be day one starter for Cleveland. This pairing works with Rosen.
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Thinks that Derwin James is in play at 4 if he knocks it out of the park in drills (he did). If Saquon Barkley, Brad Chubb, and Minkah Fitzpatrick are all on the board at 4, he believes that Fitzpatrick is a solid third place there. James overtook Minkah for me at The Combine... and I think we can trade back a little and still land him.
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Met with a lot of second-tier safety prospects. Mentions Quin Blanding, DeShon Elliott, Armani Watts.
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"I wouldn't get too attached to Derrick Kindred, wink wink, nudge nudge."
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Browns are focusing on two things at WR: a big guy who can work the middle of the field, and a guy who can play in the slot. Brings up the names Courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, Braxton Berrios, Richie James. Looking at slot guys around the mid-rounds of the draft.
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Says that people are already talking about next year's defensive tackle and end class. Says that the Packers - like Wolf and Highsmith - focused a lot on future mapping, so he doesn't expect them to target DL too much. Mentions Nathan Shepherd as a guy that is catching attention.
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Says that they're pretty high on Ogunjobi and Brantley in Cleveland.
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Reiterates that Fitzpatrick is not as viable of an option. Mentions Barkley, Chubb, James, and trading down as more viable.
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Says "50-50 at worst" if they trade the pick. Says "hell yes" it is absolutely for sale. Says it's a hot pick.
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He knows they like Sony Michel and Ronald Jones quite a bit. I'm liking Kerryon Johnson in Rnd 2.
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"I'll say this about Isaiah Crowell...if he even answers the phone if it's got a 216 on it, I'll be shocked...when Hue threw him under the bus, Crowell's not the type of guy to take that very lightly."
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Mentions Jets at 6 as a tradeback from 4. Mentions Buffalo's picks at 21 and 22 as a trade up opportunity.
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Would not surprise him if they passed on Barkley at 4 for better value at a position.
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Apparently evaluators do not like this OT class at all. Me neither... been watching some tape and there's not much to write up.
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Browns see Quenton Nelson as a guard, does not see that happening. Good year to need an OG.
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Knows the Browns are happy with Emmanuel Ogbah, but mentions that getting a speed rusher is attractive to them. Says that if Ogbah can get up to ~290 lbs., sees them moving him inside as a 3T DT. Brings up how the Texans had JJ Watt, Jadeveon Clowney, and Whitney Mercilus and said "yeah, block us bitch". Thinks that they see value in adding Chubb for that reason.
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Personally thinks that WR is the second biggest need for the Browns after QB. Says that there's a general feeling around the league that people don't trust Josh Gordon. Says he needs a full season to prove himself.
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Thinks that Mike Gesicki could be a good fit with the Browns in the top of the third or so as a split TE. Mentions that he's pretty much strictly a receiver and would add a lot of value in the redzone. Again brings up Courtland Sutton. Jester Weah.
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General consensus is that Calvin Ridley or Courtland Sutton will be first WR off the board. Says that strength of receiver class is early day three, thinks the Browns will be active there. Watch for our interest in the two DJs... LSU's Chark and Maryland's Moore. Both are rising up boards. Moore may now be in Rnd 1.
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Expresses belief that they need to get a DT. Knows that they really liked Poona Ford, who wasn't at Combine. Mentions Marcell Frazier, Kahlil Mckenzie.
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Kirk Cousins is out. Again reiterates less convinced on McCarron coming to Cleveland. Thinks it'll be Sam Bradford.
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Says he doesn't know the truth, but mentions that people that are bigger in the media than him that are very certain that Kizer will be traded. Mainly because they don't think he'll ever play in Cleveland due to drafting a guy number one, and he has more value in a trade than as the third guy here. Says that Kizer's worth is more as a trade sweetener, such as to move up from 33 to Buffalo's 22.
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Says that a lot of guys will not be back in Cleveland.
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Rails on Tony Grossi without ever naming him. Calls him cowpoop, essentially.
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See y'all around...
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