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  • @hx214 said:

    This. You wanna dump someone that’s one thing. But you got a late third round pick for your starting DT for a team that doesn’t need any more picks.

    A starting DT for a team that hasn't been able to stop the run during the entire time he was here...... How will the Browns ever replace him? 

    I'm guessing with just about anyone. 

    @d-bone said:

    A starting DT for a team that hasn't been able to stop the run during the entire time he was here...... How will the Browns ever replace him? 

    I'm guessing with just about anyone. 

    The Browns were the #7 run defense in the league last year.... with a massively depleted LB corps. 

    Its the only Shmucking thing they did right last year

  • @d-bone said:

    A starting DT for a team that hasn't been able to stop the run during the entire time he was here...... How will the Browns ever replace him? 

    I'm guessing with just about anyone. 

    To be fair, the Browns were good against the run last season. 

    Basically the Browns gave Shelton to the Patriots to be able to move up roughly 40 spots in the draft. (If you consider they gave away their 5th rounder this year in the 130s overall for NEs 3rd rounder in 2019 which probably will be in the 90s overall) 

    I'd be really interested in Dorsey's explanation for this. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    To be fair, the Browns were good against the run last season. 

    Basically the Browns gave Shelton to the Patriots to be able to move up roughly 40 spots in the draft. (If you consider they gave away their 5th rounder this year in the 130s overall for NEs 3rd rounder in 2019 which probably will be in the 90s overall) 

    I'd be really interested in Dorsey's explanation for this. 

    I'm guessing Dorsey figured they'd lose Danny after next year, so he might as well get something for him.... If the pick they acquired goes on to be an integral part of the Browns for the next 4-5 years, then everyone will forget about 'giving the former 1st rounder away'.  

  • That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

  • @dutch-oven said:

    To be fair, the Browns were good against the run last season. 

    Basically the Browns gave Shelton to the Patriots to be able to move up roughly 40 spots in the draft. (If you consider they gave away their 5th rounder this year in the 130s overall for NEs 3rd rounder in 2019 which probably will be in the 90s overall) 

    I'd be really interested in Dorsey's explanation for this. 

    I'm guessing Dorsey figured they'd lose Danny after next year, so he might as well get something for him.... If the pick they acquired goes on to be an integral part of the Browns for the next 4-5 years, then everyone will forget about 'giving the former 1st rounder away'.  

    @d-bone said:

    I'm guessing Dorsey figured they'd lose Danny after next year, so he might as well get something for him.... If the pick they acquired goes on to be an integral part of the Browns for the next 4-5 years, then everyone will forget about 'giving the former 1st rounder away'.  

    I feel like this is just one domino that is falling... 

    This might make more sense after free agency and the draft. (?)

  • That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    So there's more to stat's than just their numbers? 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    To be fair, the Browns were good against the run last season. 

    Basically the Browns gave Shelton to the Patriots to be able to move up roughly 40 spots in the draft. (If you consider they gave away their 5th rounder this year in the 130s overall for NEs 3rd rounder in 2019 which probably will be in the 90s overall) 

    I'd be really interested in Dorsey's explanation for this. 

    I'm guessing Dorsey figured they'd lose Danny after next year, so he might as well get something for him.... If the pick they acquired goes on to be an integral part of the Browns for the next 4-5 years, then everyone will forget about 'giving the former 1st rounder away'.  

    @d-bone said:

    I'm guessing Dorsey figured they'd lose Danny after next year, so he might as well get something for him.... If the pick they acquired goes on to be an integral part of the Browns for the next 4-5 years, then everyone will forget about 'giving the former 1st rounder away'.  

    That's a little far-fetched but yes if that unlikely scenario came to pass you would be right bone.

    Because the Patriots third round pick is like maybe one or two away from the first pick in the 4th round. Where you find All Pro defensive lineman everyday...

    😆

    WSS

  • That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    What did the opposing offenses average per rush? That would help tell the story. 

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    What did the opposing offenses average per rush? That would help tell the story. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    What did the opposing offenses average per rush? That would help tell the story. 

    I think rush attempts would be a better barometer. If teams are rushing fewer times against the Browns, the numbers will look decent against the run.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    So there's more to stat's than just their numbers? 

    @d-bone said:

    So there's more to stat's than just their numbers? 

    Sashi just hissed and ran away like Dracula.

  • 3.4 per attempt. #2 in the league

  • @d-bone said:

    I'm guessing Dorsey figured they'd lose Danny after next year, so he might as well get something for him.... If the pick they acquired goes on to be an integral part of the Browns for the next 4-5 years, then everyone will forget about 'giving the former 1st rounder away'.  

    That's a little far-fetched but yes if that unlikely scenario came to pass you would be right bone.

    Because the Patriots third round pick is like maybe one or two away from the first pick in the 4th round. Where you find All Pro defensive lineman everyday...

    😆

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Because the Patriots third round pick is like maybe one or two away from the first pick in the 4th round. Where you find All Pro defensive lineman everyday...

    😆

    WSS

    ...... almost as unlikely as finding a HoF QB in the 6th.

    😆

  • @d-bone said:

    So there's more to stat's than just their numbers? 

    Sashi just hissed and ran away like Dracula.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Sashi just hissed and ran away like Dracula.

    I can't add any more reactions today, but rest assured, when I can this is getting up-voted. 

  • That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    You the same guy that said an offense should never run the ball in today’s NFL because it takes away from passing attempt numbers??

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Sashi just hissed and ran away like Dracula.

    I can't add any more reactions today, but rest assured, when I can this is getting up-voted. 

    @d-bone said:

    I can't add any more reactions today, but rest assured, when I can this is getting up-voted. 

    Haha me too! 

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    You the same guy that said an offense should never run the ball in today’s NFL because it takes away from passing attempt numbers??

    @hx214 said:

    You the same guy that said an offense should never run the ball in today’s NFL because it takes away from passing attempt numbers??

    No haha

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    That run stat is probably doctored by the fact that a quadriplegic and Stevie Wonder could have passed on the Browns. Why bother running?

    You the same guy that said an offense should never run the ball in today’s NFL because it takes away from passing attempt numbers??

    @hx214 said:

    You the same guy that said an offense should never run the ball in today’s NFL because it takes away from passing attempt numbers??

    No this is an indictment of how garbage the Browns pass D was last year. They allowed their opponents to complete nearly 70% of their passes. They were making scrubs look like Joe Montana.

  • @hx214 said:

    You the same guy that said an offense should never run the ball in today’s NFL because it takes away from passing attempt numbers??

    No this is an indictment of how garbage the Browns pass D was last year. They allowed their opponents to complete nearly 70% of their passes. They were making scrubs look like Joe Montana.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    No this is an indictment of how garbage the Browns pass D was last year. They allowed their opponents to complete nearly 70% of their passes. They were making scrubs look like Joe Montana.

    Sure helps when they have all day to throw the ball. 

  • Not too surprised about a move on the D-line, they have been mentioned in trade talks with D-linemen a couple of times in the past week.  Unless you are primarily a 3/4 team, Shelton can't provide what you ask of a DT in the 4 front.  Never liked that pick when it happened. 

  • @hx214 said:

    You the same guy that said an offense should never run the ball in today’s NFL because it takes away from passing attempt numbers??

    No this is an indictment of how garbage the Browns pass D was last year. They allowed their opponents to complete nearly 70% of their passes. They were making scrubs look like Joe Montana.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    No this is an indictment of how garbage the Browns pass D was last year. They allowed their opponents to complete nearly 70% of their passes. They were making scrubs look like Joe Montana.

    I guess I’m confused. So the argument here for dumping Shelton is the fact that our pass D was so bad that we don’t need to bother stopping the run either so what’s the point? 

    Again...

    Rushing Defense was #7 against run. 

    Per attempt was 3.4 good enough for #2 in the league. 

    Man... what a scrub Danny was

  • Not a fan of this move Dorsey.