From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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One thing people don't seem to talk about much with any of the QBs is fit. One can have the biggest upside, one can be the best athlete, one can have the biggest heart, one can have best arm, one can be most pro ready, etc.
But the thing people tend to leave out is how a player with fit in a system and weather.
Some things can certainly be changed/improved but not being good in certain weather etc can't be improved that much.
I am certainly fallible and could certainly be wrong, but even with the talent they have, I dont believe someone like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees would be nearly as effective in Cleveland. Weather changes things. If you have never worked with a QB it's hard to understand.
That's why I certainly don't favor Jackson. I think with some of the attitude stuff as well, Rosen would be lower on my list because although very talented, he seems a little entitled.
Mayfield size and measurables worry me some, more so than his antics. He also has a lot of pluses. Darnold has some issues he needs to work on, and if he does has good measurables. Allen is the biggest hit or miss to me. He has everything off the field and measurables, but on the field has left a lot to be desired. He could be REALLY good after some work or could be Jamarcus Russell.
Tough choice. I hope they make the right decision.
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One thing people don't seem to talk about much with any of the QBs is fit. One can have the biggest upside, one can be the best athlete, one can have the biggest heart, one can have best arm, one can be most pro ready, etc.
But the thing people tend to leave out is how a player with fit in a system and weather.
Some things can certainly be changed/improved but not being good in certain weather etc can't be improved that much.
I am certainly fallible and could certainly be wrong, but even with the talent they have, I dont believe someone like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees would be nearly as effective in Cleveland. Weather changes things. If you have never worked with a QB it's hard to understand.
That's why I certainly don't favor Jackson. I think with some of the attitude stuff as well, Rosen would be lower on my list because although very talented, he seems a little entitled.
Mayfield size and measurables worry me some, more so than his antics. He also has a lot of pluses. Darnold has some issues he needs to work on, and if he does has good measurables. Allen is the biggest hit or miss to me. He has everything off the field and measurables, but on the field has left a lot to be desired. He could be REALLY good after some work or could be Jamarcus Russell.
Tough choice. I hope they make the right decision.
One thing people don't seem to talk about much with any of the QBs is fit. One can have the biggest upside, one can be the best athlete, one can have the biggest heart, one can have best arm, one can be most pro ready, etc.
But the thing people tend to leave out is how a player with fit in a system and weather.
Some things can certainly be changed/improved but not being good in certain weather etc can't be improved that much.
I am certainly fallible and could certainly be wrong, but even with the talent they have, I dont believe someone like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees would be nearly as effective in Cleveland. Weather changes things. If you have never worked with a QB it's hard to understand.
That's why I certainly don't favor Jackson. I think with some of the attitude stuff as well, Rosen would be lower on my list because although very talented, he seems a little entitled.
Mayfield size and measurables worry me some, more so than his antics. He also has a lot of pluses. Darnold has some issues he needs to work on, and if he does has good measurables. Allen is the biggest hit or miss to me. He has everything off the field and measurables, but on the field has left a lot to be desired. He could be REALLY good after some work or could be Jamarcus Russell.
Tough choice. I hope they make the right decision.
I think Rosen is smart enough to understand how much work and effort it takes to be great. I doubt you'd see him be a problem off field.
Rosen throws a very tight spiral, and based on the throws he made at his pro day in some pretty gusty wind, his arm is plenty strong.
Nobody questioned his leadership or toughness when he led a 34 point comeback vs A&M. How may QB's could've realistically pulled out a win there? That game was insane. I remember I turned it off, saw the ticker and had to go back.
Crazy stat : this comeback started at the exact same point in the 3rd quarter as the patriots comeback in the SB
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One thing people don't seem to talk about much with any of the QBs is fit. One can have the biggest upside, one can be the best athlete, one can have the biggest heart, one can have best arm, one can be most pro ready, etc.
But the thing people tend to leave out is how a player with fit in a system and weather.
Some things can certainly be changed/improved but not being good in certain weather etc can't be improved that much.
I am certainly fallible and could certainly be wrong, but even with the talent they have, I dont believe someone like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees would be nearly as effective in Cleveland. Weather changes things. If you have never worked with a QB it's hard to understand.
That's why I certainly don't favor Jackson. I think with some of the attitude stuff as well, Rosen would be lower on my list because although very talented, he seems a little entitled.
Mayfield size and measurables worry me some, more so than his antics. He also has a lot of pluses. Darnold has some issues he needs to work on, and if he does has good measurables. Allen is the biggest hit or miss to me. He has everything off the field and measurables, but on the field has left a lot to be desired. He could be REALLY good after some work or could be Jamarcus Russell.
Tough choice. I hope they make the right decision.
I think Rosen is smart enough to understand how much work and effort it takes to be great. I doubt you'd see him be a problem off field.
Rosen throws a very tight spiral, and based on the throws he made at his pro day in some pretty gusty wind, his arm is plenty strong.
Nobody questioned his leadership or toughness when he led a 34 point comeback vs A&M. How may QB's could've realistically pulled out a win there? That game was insane. I remember I turned it off, saw the ticker and had to go back.
Crazy stat : this comeback started at the exact same point in the 3rd quarter as the patriots comeback in the SB
I think Rosen is smart enough to understand how much work and effort it takes to be great. I doubt you'd see him be a problem off field.
Rosen throws a very tight spiral, and based on the throws he made at his pro day in some pretty gusty wind, his arm is plenty strong.
Nobody questioned his leadership or toughness when he led a 34 point comeback vs A&M. How may QB's could've realistically pulled out a win there? That game was insane. I remember I turned it off, saw the ticker and had to go back.
Crazy stat : this comeback started at the exact same point in the 3rd quarter as the patriots comeback in the SB
I'm sure he is smart, it takes a smart person to run an offense. He is very talented. He may not be a problem off the field, but he seems entitled, and just puts off a vibe that he wants everything his way.
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I honestly could see the Browns drafting Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.
so what if they really do not like any of them just hold the pick for ransom ?
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Like I noted in the other thread, Elway struggled when he went to the Broncos. I see some Elway in Allen.
There are serious similarities.
It isn't just some of us:
http://1063cowboycountry.com/comparing-josh-allen-to-a-young-john-elway-video/
Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield may not play in the Senior Bowl on Saturday, but Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen certainly will.
Allen will get another chance to show off his strong arm with the Broncos’ brass watching. There’s not much more he can prove, though, as he spent the last week practicing under Denver’s coaches.
“Josh Allen has a wonderful throwing arm,” Broncos coach Vance Joseph said after practice Wednesday. “He made some big-time throws today. He’s in command of the huddle. That was good to see.”
Added general manager John Elway to KUSA-TV’s Mike Klis: “He’s big, he’s strong, he’s got a strong arm and he can move around.”
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PoG thinks cal's love affair over Allen is over-the-top.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-john-elways-broncos-take-chance-on-super-talented-josh-allen/
6. Denver Broncos
Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. John Elway was in attendance for Allen's masterful bowl game, so he saw the rocket arm and mobility up close. With an offseason emphasis on bolstering the offensive line and complementary pieces on defense, the Broncos will try to create an environment conducive to success for the gifted but raw quarterback. Rosen's concussions scare Denver's front office.
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2018 NFL Draft: Is QB Josh Allen turning into a consensus No. 1 overall pick?
ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. caught people off guard Thursday morning when he predicted the Browns will draft Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen No. 1 overall in his most recent mock draft, but what might surprise fans even more is an NFL executive is backing him up.
"I believe (Cleveland GM John) Dorsey will block out the noise and take the best guy (in Allen),'' an unnamed executive told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. "And the Browns will be good very soon.''
This same executive told the Plain-Dealer before the 2016 draft that if Cleveland would take Carson Wentz with their first pick they would be set for the next 15 years. The Browns didn't, and the results speak for themselves. Wentz would have been the MVP this year had he not suffered a season-ending knee injury, and Cleveland went 0-16.
Allen is the most polarizing player in the 2018 draft class. He has arm strength comparable to John Elway, a similar build to Wentz, and a virtually blank canvas with which to work. He was a junior college QB before going to Wyoming and he hasn't taken a crazy amount of reps, so teams can develop him their own way.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-john-elways-broncos-take-chance-on-super-talented-josh-allen/
6. Denver Broncos
Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. John Elway was in attendance for Allen's masterful bowl game, so he saw the rocket arm and mobility up close. With an offseason emphasis on bolstering the offensive line and complementary pieces on defense, the Broncos will try to create an environment conducive to success for the gifted but raw quarterback. Rosen's concussions scare Denver's front office.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-john-elways-broncos-take-chance-on-super-talented-josh-allen/
6. Denver Broncos
Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. John Elway was in attendance for Allen's masterful bowl game, so he saw the rocket arm and mobility up close. With an offseason emphasis on bolstering the offensive line and complementary pieces on defense, the Broncos will try to create an environment conducive to success for the gifted but raw quarterback. Rosen's concussions scare Denver's front office.
Taking Allen in the first-round would fit well in their recent tradition of first-round busts in Tim Tebow and Paxton Lynch.
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I think Rosen is smart enough to understand how much work and effort it takes to be great. I doubt you'd see him be a problem off field.
Rosen throws a very tight spiral, and based on the throws he made at his pro day in some pretty gusty wind, his arm is plenty strong.
Nobody questioned his leadership or toughness when he led a 34 point comeback vs A&M. How may QB's could've realistically pulled out a win there? That game was insane. I remember I turned it off, saw the ticker and had to go back.
Crazy stat : this comeback started at the exact same point in the 3rd quarter as the patriots comeback in the SB
I'm sure he is smart, it takes a smart person to run an offense. He is very talented. He may not be a problem off the field, but he seems entitled, and just puts off a vibe that he wants everything his way.
I'm sure he is smart, it takes a smart person to run an offense. He is very talented. He may not be a problem off the field, but he seems entitled, and just puts off a vibe that he wants everything his way.
Didn't they have a similar knock on Rodgers? That's why he dropped so far. He was supposedly a weak leader and/or his teammates didn't like him.
Elway doesn't exactly have a stellar track record in picking QB's thus far, so I couldn't care less what he's interested in. I care about the Browns getting it right at #1
I really wanted to see Mahomes play more, just to see how he looked. Dorsey nailed Kareem Hunt, I wished we had more of a sample size for Mahomes.
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Elway saw enough of Josh Allens practice week at Mobile,Alabama that he hopes Mayfield or Rosen falls to him..The QB race to #3 should only cost Colts a couple spots down & Colts should draft lineman to save A. Luck's both arms..
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I'm sure he is smart, it takes a smart person to run an offense. He is very talented. He may not be a problem off the field, but he seems entitled, and just puts off a vibe that he wants everything his way.
Didn't they have a similar knock on Rodgers? That's why he dropped so far. He was supposedly a weak leader and/or his teammates didn't like him.
Elway doesn't exactly have a stellar track record in picking QB's thus far, so I couldn't care less what he's interested in. I care about the Browns getting it right at #1
I really wanted to see Mahomes play more, just to see how he looked. Dorsey nailed Kareem Hunt, I wished we had more of a sample size for Mahomes.
Didn't they have a similar knock on Rodgers? That's why he dropped so far. He was supposedly a weak leader and/or his teammates didn't like him.
Elway doesn't exactly have a stellar track record in picking QB's thus far, so I couldn't care less what he's interested in. I care about the Browns getting it right at #1
I really wanted to see Mahomes play more, just to see how he looked. Dorsey nailed Kareem Hunt, I wished we had more of a sample size for Mahomes.
Well I see difference in their character, but yes Aaron had concerns. Aaron also still is very Socky.
I think there is that to not like, plus I dont know how he would adjust to the cold, windy, snowy weather. While I dont care for him, Flacco is in a good spot because of his size and strengths, I dont think if you put Dak Prescott there he would do well.
Just something else to think about. Not trying to change anyone's mind. I see good and bad in all of them, I just know from working with QBs that it has to be a part of the equation
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PoG thinks cal's love affair over Allen is over-the-top.
PoG thinks cal's love affair over Allen is over-the-top.
Nope, I support anybody's opinion on which QB we should take #4.
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Trouble is, I see what I see. I don't change my dumb opinions, just to agree with
other people so I'm with the majority, etc etc.
Mayfield and Allen LOVE the game, and they have that work ethic and
a bit of chip on their shoulder that they never, ever had anything handed to them,
they worked their asses off to get where they are today. I just think the Browns will go
Allen or Mayfield. It is what it is. If they don't pick a qb at all til later on, well after they trade the 4 pick, whatever,
I'll simply ROF, LMAO !
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Didn't they have a similar knock on Rodgers? That's why he dropped so far. He was supposedly a weak leader and/or his teammates didn't like him.
Elway doesn't exactly have a stellar track record in picking QB's thus far, so I couldn't care less what he's interested in. I care about the Browns getting it right at #1
I really wanted to see Mahomes play more, just to see how he looked. Dorsey nailed Kareem Hunt, I wished we had more of a sample size for Mahomes.
Well I see difference in their character, but yes Aaron had concerns. Aaron also still is very Socky.
I think there is that to not like, plus I dont know how he would adjust to the cold, windy, snowy weather. While I dont care for him, Flacco is in a good spot because of his size and strengths, I dont think if you put Dak Prescott there he would do well.
Just something else to think about. Not trying to change anyone's mind. I see good and bad in all of them, I just know from working with QBs that it has to be a part of the equation
Well I see difference in their character, but yes Aaron had concerns. Aaron also still is very Socky.
I think there is that to not like, plus I dont know how he would adjust to the cold, windy, snowy weather. While I dont care for him, Flacco is in a good spot because of his size and strengths, I dont think if you put Dak Prescott there he would do well.
Just something else to think about. Not trying to change anyone's mind. I see good and bad in all of them, I just know from working with QBs that it has to be a part of the equation
The QB most linked to Browns is Darnold. Also a socal guy who never plays in the cold/snow/freezing rain, and USC QB's have basically sucked for years in the NFL. Let's see how Darnold looks after working with J Palmer. No doubt that Rosen looked better head to head. Would've preferred t see Darnold throw at combine for direct comparison to all of them.
We know Rosen throws a damn good deep ball.
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Well I see difference in their character, but yes Aaron had concerns. Aaron also still is very Socky.
I think there is that to not like, plus I dont know how he would adjust to the cold, windy, snowy weather. While I dont care for him, Flacco is in a good spot because of his size and strengths, I dont think if you put Dak Prescott there he would do well.
Just something else to think about. Not trying to change anyone's mind. I see good and bad in all of them, I just know from working with QBs that it has to be a part of the equation
The QB most linked to Browns is Darnold. Also a socal guy who never plays in the cold/snow/freezing rain, and USC QB's have basically sucked for years in the NFL. Let's see how Darnold looks after working with J Palmer. No doubt that Rosen looked better head to head. Would've preferred t see Darnold throw at combine for direct comparison to all of them.
We know Rosen throws a damn good deep ball.
The QB most linked to Browns is Darnold. Also a socal guy who never plays in the cold/snow/freezing rain
I also prefer Rosen to Darnold Tom, but can we finally move on past the "this QB couldn't play in Cleveland because he's from a warm weather area of the U.S." narrative?
The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. They played college ball at Alabama, Southern Miss and Cal, respectively.
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Trouble is, I see what I see. I don't change my dumb opinions, just to agree with
other people so I'm with the majority, etc etc.
Mayfield and Allen LOVE the game, and they have that work ethic and
a bit of chip on their shoulder that they never, ever had anything handed to them,
they worked their asses off to get where they are today. I just think the Browns will go
Allen or Mayfield. It is what it is. If they don't pick a qb at all til later on, well after they trade the 4 pick, whatever,
I'll simply ROF, LMAO !
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The QB most linked to Browns is Darnold. Also a socal guy who never plays in the cold/snow/freezing rain
I also prefer Rosen to Darnold Tom, but can we finally move on past the "this QB couldn't play in Cleveland because he's from a warm weather area of the U.S." narrative?
The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. They played college ball at Alabama, Southern Miss and Cal, respectively.
I also prefer Rosen to Darnold Tom, but can we finally move on past the "this QB couldn't play in Cleveland because he's from a warm weather area of the U.S." narrative?
The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. They played college ball at Alabama, Southern Miss and Cal, respectively.
Nice! You're way better than I am at staying put on 1 QB Dutch. I started the off season with Darnold as my 1A, Mayfield as my 1B and I think Rudolph was my 1C (without any willingness whatsoever to give Rosen a chance). This week I'm at Mayfield as my 1A and Rosen as my 1B and Darnold as my 1C so you can take my input with a grain of salt.
I'm not even close to buying the Hallmark Fairy Tale about the QB that threw 15 INTs in 2016 followed by only 16 TDs in 2017 against Junior Varsity caliber corners and pass rushers. If a guy throws more TD passes at the Combine than he did in his final year or 2 of college football - who's kidding who? If I went back and got Allen's completion percentages far below 50% where he averaged less than 1 TD pass against bigger/better DI programs - it's a more accurate depiction of what he looks like in a world that includes the best pass rushers and DBs college football stockpiled the NFL with.
I've already seen a couple a couple bionic armed QBs here with the football IQ of a pet rock fail miserably here. I'm not falling for the next one no matter how many "YEAH BUT HE"S A GREAT KID" and "HE LOVES FOOTBALL" or "AND GET THIS THE BUCKY BROOKS ADORES HIM" or "HE HAS THE SAME COACH WENTZ HAD." Okay, give me that Offensive Coach.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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