Barkley at #1?
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Saquon Barkley played in 38 college football games.
He failed to get to 100 yards rushing in 23 of them.
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Saquon Barkley played in 38 college football games.
He failed to get to 100 yards rushing in 23 of them.
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"rings" = "Jackets"
Same same
Jim Plunkett disagrees with that statement.
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All this talk about winning Super Bowls with Brandon Jacobs and Blount is nice.
All you need is a Tom Brady or Eli Manning at QB and any scrap heap RB will do. No problem finding QBs like those guys. The Browns have Taylor and are in win now mode with the way Dorsey is wheeling and dealing. The Colts will take Barkley at 3 if the Browns pass on him.
The Colts will take Barkley at 3 if the Browns pass on him.
Care to reconsider? Seems the Colts weren't interested in hanging around at #3 for that possibility.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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4 - Fournette - playoffs
4 - Zeke Elliot - playoffs
5 - Gino Bernard - playoffs
5 - Darren McFadden
2 - Reggie Bush - playoffs
2 - Ronnie Brown
2 - L Tomlinson - playoffs HOF
5 - Jamal Lewis - playoffs
4 - Edge James - playoffs
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4 - Fournette - playoffs
4 - Zeke Elliot - playoffs
5 - Gino Bernard - playoffs
5 - Darren McFadden
2 - Reggie Bush - playoffs
2 - Ronnie Brown
2 - L Tomlinson - playoffs HOF
5 - Jamal Lewis - playoffs
4 - Edge James - playoffs
And how many were added before the QB that led them to the playoffs?
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This is a message board that welcomes passion from a fanbase that hasn't exactly been spoiled here since the year we lost our football team to Ratville. By challenging differences of opinions with some of the regulars in here - there's a contingent of guys that slowly, methodically opened my mind to a QB like Rosen from a crotchety old man like me. It's fun to try to open minds on people not willing to give Tyrod Taylor a chance for instance. This doesn't have to be the in your face make enemies arguments we see on here in the Josh Allen threads or even the Barkley threads. If there was an obvious #1 QB emerging - we'd be seeing a lot of people posting the NAME of the QB rather than the position for #1 overall. Since there's suddenly 3-4 QBs that appear to be really close - while a few of them have more concerns than perhaps Barkley or Chubb there will not be a consensus of people behind just 1 QB.
You're never going to find a consensus in a world that welcomes freedom of opinion, freedom of speech (although that can get really overrated when one mixes moonshine with Pottymouth Shaekspeare). I'll make a deal with you - if you stop pretending pick #4 overall is 3 rounds as opposed to only have 2 picks between #1 and #4 - I promise I won't pretend I know more than the experienced John Dorsey if he should take Chubb or Barkley first.
I'm saying Jax had the biggest change in record the year they drafted Fournette. He was a huge help to time of possession and moving the ball the same year Bortles lost his go-to WR Robinson. In the process, the defense was well rested with fresh legs. If you need to pretend Fournette wasn't an impact to that offense and Bortles was an impressive leader prior to 2017 - there's no way I can stop you. I'm saying the about face on the offensive side of the ball was more than a coincidence when I'm watching them beat Pittsburgh twice and get to the AFC Championship for beating them 45-42.
You never did answer my question/challenge - please show me a shorter career in the NFL than playing QB in Cleveland since 99. There's a t-shirt out there reminding us of this reality like I said. Which of these QBs were drafted as high as #4 overall? Tom Brady?, Russell Wilson?, Aaron Rodgers?, Drew Brees?, Ben Roethlisberger?, Jimmy Garoppolo?, Dak Prescott?, Kirk Cousins?, Case Keenum?, Nick Foles?, Derek Carr?, DeShaun Watson?... How many different drafts is that telling us they don't run out of great QBs before the 4th pick?
Well obviously you can pull some names of people not drafted in 1st round. It's pointless because the same can be done for EVERY position. It shows that there are things that can't be measured. It's just human nature, but people are only going to use something to help their argument.
There are plenty of examples of players playing a shorter time. That doesn't prove ANYRHING, just like saying Weeden is still in the league. What does it prove other than the Browns have been very bad.
I dont act like it's 3 rounds in between. But if you are being honest, if they chose to get their QB at 4, then there is a possibility it's their 3rd QB. That doesn't mean he would be bad, it doesn't mean he won't be the best of the bunch. It means that it COULD be their 3rd ranked guy. And a recent example of the 3rd guy is Paxton Lynch.
Obviously though, you seem to have missed the point. I dont care who they take and where. And I don't expect everyone to agree. But it will be sickening to see someone that says Barkley #1 or someone else #1 to then come back and whine and moan, WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT GUY.
Meaning, if you like Barkley there stick to it. Dont complain down the road and say the team was stupid and should have taken someone else
Well obviously you can pull some names of people not drafted in 1st round. It's pointless because the same can be done for EVERY position. - Gunz
No, I'm just interested in staying in the context of our discussion. Not just people - QBs and it IS as easy looking at many of those drafted after the 4th overall pick still playing and getting nice contracts today(ie: Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Foles, Carr, Cousins, Roethlisberger, Prescott, Garappolo, Keenum, McCown, Dalton, Flacco). Again, that shows me there's a bunch of different drafts showing they didn't run out of reliable QBs before the 4th pick. There's quite a few people feeling if we don't draft a QB at #1 overall - we're not going to get the right QB when there's only 2 QBs that can be drafted before we draft again. Also keep in mind this is a deep draft at QB Gunzies to the extent we can draft a QB in round 1 and one later. The Redskins did that and Kirk Cousins was the most sought after FA while RG3 doesn't have a job. I'm thinking someone like Mike White, Luke Faulk, Riley Ferguson, Kurt Benkert or Kyle Lauletta might be worth consideration as a 2nd QB we draft in a draft deep enough to justify it. - Flugel
if they chose to get their QB at 4, then there is a possibility it's their 3rd QB. That doesn't mean he would be bad, it doesn't mean he won't be the best of the bunch. It means that it COULD be their 3rd ranked guy. And a recent example of the 3rd guy is Paxton Lynch. - Gunz
Worthy of note but Ben Roethlisberger was also a 3rd QB drafted back at #11 overall (behind Eli at #1 and Rivers at #4) so this reminds us that all drafts have different supplies for the big demand. Isn't it also a possibility that our FO has 3 different QBs rated so even they're having just as tough of a time finding a consensus for 1 QB as our fan base? Depending on how close as well as how much they either like Barkley or Chubb - it may not be as bad as people think. Another reality is the QB most often mocked to Cleveland is Darnold and they might not like some of his bad habits as another team is willing to take on. It's also possible John Elway's crush on Josh Allen has him trading up with someone before us which could make it conceivable we get one of the QBs we wanted all along. I'm open to all possibilities believe it or not. - Flugel
I dont care who they take and where. But it will be sickening to see someone that says Barkley #1 or someone else #1 to then come back and whine and moan, WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT GUY. Meaning, if you like Barkley there stick to it. Dont complain down the road and say the team was stupid and should have taken someone else - Gunz
Totally agree! Since you weren't here last year at this time - you'll prolly like hearing NOBODY posted the "WE SHOULD HAVES" about not drafting Watson during the 4-5 game span Watson was QBing Houston into the highest scoring offense in the AFC. Good thing too because he got injured and went on IR just like Carson Wentz did. - Flugel
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The Colts may very well trade down a bit as they have multiple needs and someone may want to jump up for a QB (as someone does that almost every year). We, of course, have multiple needs...but we have multiple 2nd round picks.
I don't understand how anyone can think that we're drafting a RB at #1 overall....but then, I can't figure out flat-earther's either.
The Colts may very well trade down a bit as they have multiple needs and someone may want to jump up for a QB (as someone does that almost every year). We, of course, have multiple needs...but we have multiple 2nd round picks.
Apparently the Colts read my post.
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Apparently the Colts read my post.
all most guarantee that the first 3 picks will be Q.B'S so at 4 we will have the choice of bpa from all other positions all most like picking at #1 again and before any knucklehead want's to play kick the can with that pick go fukc yourself
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Saquon should be the 1st overall draft pick.
If Tyrod Taylor is the QB of the future it makes no sense to go and draft a guy that will sit for 3 years, that's over half of his contract. Then if he finally does get the chance and he plays well, we'll be paying Kirk Cousins like prices for a guy that has only produced for one year.
Barkley is going to IMMEDIATELY make an IMPACT on the offense. Whoever plays QB is going to benefit from having one of the best running back prospects in the past 30 years. A team first guy that isn't going to whine about touches or what is going to be asked of him. He's going to go all out, every play and all in all he's going to win a majority of his matchups. You are going to be hard pressed to find a defense that can shut down Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Saquon Barkley, David Njoku and company consistently. You are going to have to pick your poison, what player do you leave open?
It makes no sense unless we are starting this "Golden Boy Rookie QB" day 1 to take him #1 overall with a prospect like Barkley in your hands.
Barkley is already a Brown, are you seriously going to pass him off to the Giants for a maybe someday QB? That's silly.
Take Barkley and if there is a must have QB sitting there at 4... you have the draft capital to invest such a high pick on a luxury watch and learn for a few years QB. If Mayfield or Darnold, maybe Rosen or even Allen are there and the plan is to have them watch and learn from Taylor and Hogan for a few seasons then by all means, draft him at #4.
But to be in WIN NOW mode as we are you absolutely take Barkley first.
If Tyrod Taylor is the QB of the future it makes no sense to go and draft a guy that will sit for 3 years, that's over half of his contract.
Problem is that TT is only the QB of the immediate future. If the QB we draft sits for more than a year, then we drafted the wrong QB.
I dont think anyone thinks Tyrod is the future. -I don't know if he will be or not, but I know that with Tyrod and Hogan QB is no longer the biggest need. A QB at #4, if we take Barkley #1 will equate to the #1-3 QBs in a draft with 5+ first round QBs. That QB can sit and learn from the vets for a while until he's completely ready.
"... and Hogan... " I see what you did there. 🥷
Guess what... with Hyde on the roster RB is not the biggest need either.
Pretending that there are three, let alone five, equally talented QB prospects in this Draft is utter nonsense.
- Without a Brady or a Manning its unlikely youre getting away with a JAG at RB.
- That was the point. You have Taylor and he is starting unless you just traded a low 2nd and are paying him to sit behind a rookie with no experience. Kizer 2.0
- You take a weapon like Barkley paired with Taylor to win today and eventually play next to the rookie QB so his transition to the NFL is a little easier.
- Barkley an every down RB. Passing threat, half back and good blocker.
- Johnson 3rd down change of pace RB and a guy to spell Barkley. Perfect guy to send in late in the game with fresh legs. NE has made a killing wit that formula.
- Hyde goal line and 3rd and 1 RB.
- Barkley puts the Browns over the top in the AFCN with that backfield.
- So Hyde is a JAG RB? As are Guice and Johnson and Michel and Chubb and Penny and Ballage and...
- Your point... mine was that you must believe Foles to be Tom and Eli's equal since he just won a SB with the same lead RB with which Tom last won, but not TT.
- "win today"... you are leaning on this more and more without letting us know how you define it. Please do so.
- Don't care as long as I can replace him in the aggregate... yup... #Moneyball.
- But NE's RBs don't matter because of Tom? Which is it? You argue both sides, but usually not in the same post.
- lol...
- lmao...
Have to give you this... you've no shortage of certitude... even after wasting a ton on the Colts' interest in Barkley.
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The Colts will take Barkley at 3 if the Browns pass on him.
Care to reconsider? Seems the Colts weren't interested in hanging around at #3 for that possibility.
Care to reconsider? Seems the Colts weren't interested in hanging around at #3 for that possibility.
To quote Star Wars Darth Sidious "I have foreseen it."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000921905/article/jets-acquire-no-3-overall-pick-of-2018-draft-from-colts
LOL, meaning the Bills are jumping to #2... Sorry Po, Barkley will be there at #4. Or #6 or #15.. So much for that generational running back...
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The Colts will take Barkley at 3 if the Browns pass on him.
Care to reconsider? Seems the Colts weren't interested in hanging around at #3 for that possibility.
Care to reconsider? Seems the Colts weren't interested in hanging around at #3 for that possibility.
Missed your prediction. Look what the Jets gave up? NY got fleeced.
Its easy to predict the score after the game, but you should know that.
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For the record, I did not visit this site prior to forming my opinion. I have been in camp Barkley for weeks when these guys loved Darnold.
This is how you win now Kids.
Cleveland Browns: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
A quarterback appears to be the most popular choice, but it doesn't make logical sense to take a signal-caller at No. 1 overall, given that Cleveland has the fourth-overall selection as well. It makes zero sense to go quarterback, because if the Browns take Saquon Barkley, they're guaranteed to land two of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield at No. 4. Barkley, meanwhile, could be gone by then. He is the best player in this class, and he has a legitimate chance to be chosen second overall. He's drawn comparisons to Marshall Faulk, and he's unlikely to get past the Colts at No. 3 overall, barring a trade.
Besides, there's no consensus top player at the position. Darnold had a down year. Rosen has said that he doesn't want to play for the Browns. There have been rumors linking the Browns to Josh Allen, but he could be taken at No. 4.
I mocked a quarterback to the Browns last week, but based on conversations I had with people I trust who have Browns information, I believe Barkley will be in Cleveland next year.
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Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5A10B7JjpCleveland Browns: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
This is exactly why the Browns should pick Saquon Barkley first overall. Some people don't understand the concept of selecting a running back first overall, but it's the most logical thing to do. Barkley is the best player in this draft, and Cleveland has this pick to work with. If the Browns didn't possess this choice, they'd have to go quarterback at No. 1, but under the circumstances, they'd be guaranteed to have two of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield available. None of the quarterbacks stick out, really, so it's not like there's a must-have prospect at the position.
The Browns have been linked to every quarterback not named Rosen. Allen has the biggest arm in this class, and he makes sense for Todd Haley's offense. Allen has to really work on his accuracy, mechanics and field vision, but he has top-five overall physical talent.
Pick change; previously Denzel Ward, CB
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5A11qnEfyFor the record, I did not visit this site prior to forming my opinion. I have been in camp Barkley for weeks when these guys loved Darnold.
This is how you win now Kids.
Cleveland Browns: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
A quarterback appears to be the most popular choice, but it doesn't make logical sense to take a signal-caller at No. 1 overall, given that Cleveland has the fourth-overall selection as well. It makes zero sense to go quarterback, because if the Browns take Saquon Barkley, they're guaranteed to land two of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield at No. 4. Barkley, meanwhile, could be gone by then. He is the best player in this class, and he has a legitimate chance to be chosen second overall. He's drawn comparisons to Marshall Faulk, and he's unlikely to get past the Colts at No. 3 overall, barring a trade.
Besides, there's no consensus top player at the position. Darnold had a down year. Rosen has said that he doesn't want to play for the Browns. There have been rumors linking the Browns to Josh Allen, but he could be taken at No. 4.
I mocked a quarterback to the Browns last week, but based on conversations I had with people I trust who have Browns information, I believe Barkley will be in Cleveland next year.
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Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5A10B7JjpCleveland Browns: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
This is exactly why the Browns should pick Saquon Barkley first overall. Some people don't understand the concept of selecting a running back first overall, but it's the most logical thing to do. Barkley is the best player in this draft, and Cleveland has this pick to work with. If the Browns didn't possess this choice, they'd have to go quarterback at No. 1, but under the circumstances, they'd be guaranteed to have two of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield available. None of the quarterbacks stick out, really, so it's not like there's a must-have prospect at the position.
The Browns have been linked to every quarterback not named Rosen. Allen has the biggest arm in this class, and he makes sense for Todd Haley's offense. Allen has to really work on his accuracy, mechanics and field vision, but he has top-five overall physical talent.
Pick change; previously Denzel Ward, CB
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5A11qnEfyWalter is losing it,. he doesn't understand the concept the Browns haven't had a francise quarterback since Bernie, and Allen is a huge question mark. Frak off Walter. . I used to respect his opinions- he's full of shiite on this one. With the Jets trading up, care to make a gentleman's bet the Bills are going to jump them before draft day? We're taking best qb- freaking 100% guaranteed now with this Colts turn of events.
Missed your prediction. Look what the Jets gave up? NY got fleeced.
Its easy to predict the score after the game, but you should know that.
They might have gotten fleeced, but the Redskins hold that dubious record in the RG III trade up. Bills will give up even more to get to #2.
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Another reason why the Anti Barkley crowd will be crying in their craft beer draft night.
Duke Johnson is a FA in 2019. One does not need to suspend disbelief to surmise that he will want to cash in like Crowell.
So, would you pay big bucks to a 26 year old Johnson for 2019 or pay a 22 year old Barkley who is a better player?
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First... Van Eagan???
Second... weren't all those RBs added after their HoF QB counterpart was established?
Third... In anticipation of the answer to my second question being "yes"... thank you for proving my point.
Who cares what order the players are added. Its not the amazing race tv show.
Bottom line a player like Barkley is rare. You take whats there.
2 years from next April it will be Rosen can win if he only had a RB.
- Who cares what order the players are added. Its not the amazing race tv show.
- Bottom line a player like Barkley is rare. You take whats there.
- 2 years from next April it will be Rosen can win if he only had a RB.
- Well I care since it is at the heart of my argument... But your willingness to dismiss what you cannot refute is duly noted.
- Not all "rare" players turn out as projected... not even RBs.
- Or he'll be the kid winnig with a JAG RB... lol
The Colts have no RB. They will take Barkley at 3 and say thank you Dorsey.
You must have certitude to burn... cause you burned a bunch in this thread.
2- Yes I talk him up, because he's worth it. The kid in incredible, he has his OWN DAY DEDICATED TO HIM
lol... well that cinches it!
Before the combines, I brought up Auburn's 6' 220 lb Kerryon Johnson as a RB
My top value RB... my 1B. Great Combine... the kid runs BIG. Could be problematic injury-wise at the next level, but he pounds.
HOLY Shmucking FIRE!!!!
So have you pre-ordered his shoes?
I tried really hard to see what we are going to do, all that comes up is- Saquon, no matter what.
See... now that's reasonable. Just like I keep looking and all I can see is Rosen at #1. Put that way we can accept each others takes. But once you or boo or anyone starts going full certitude... You're wrong/ I'm right... then that's what comes back at you.
We are all posting our own amateur opinions.
Some of us can discuss them objectively; some can't.
Some state their case once and refer to it from then on.
Some start thread after thread espousing the same old same old.
Some (cal) have to tear down an others views to make themselves feel better about their own.
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all most guarantee that the first 3 picks will be Q.B'S so at 4 we will have the choice of bpa from all other positions all most like picking at #1 again and before any knucklehead want's to play kick the can with that pick go fukc yourself
Yeah, the trade-up looks like it guarantees QBs go 1,2,3 with us choosing between Barkely, Chubb or any other pick of the litter at #4.
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For the record, I did not visit this site prior to forming my opinion. I have been in camp Barkley for weeks when these guys loved Darnold.
This is how you win now Kids.
Cleveland Browns: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
A quarterback appears to be the most popular choice, but it doesn't make logical sense to take a signal-caller at No. 1 overall, given that Cleveland has the fourth-overall selection as well. It makes zero sense to go quarterback, because if the Browns take Saquon Barkley, they're guaranteed to land two of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield at No. 4. Barkley, meanwhile, could be gone by then. He is the best player in this class, and he has a legitimate chance to be chosen second overall. He's drawn comparisons to Marshall Faulk, and he's unlikely to get past the Colts at No. 3 overall, barring a trade.
Besides, there's no consensus top player at the position. Darnold had a down year. Rosen has said that he doesn't want to play for the Browns. There have been rumors linking the Browns to Josh Allen, but he could be taken at No. 4.
I mocked a quarterback to the Browns last week, but based on conversations I had with people I trust who have Browns information, I believe Barkley will be in Cleveland next year.
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Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5A10B7JjpCleveland Browns: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
This is exactly why the Browns should pick Saquon Barkley first overall. Some people don't understand the concept of selecting a running back first overall, but it's the most logical thing to do. Barkley is the best player in this draft, and Cleveland has this pick to work with. If the Browns didn't possess this choice, they'd have to go quarterback at No. 1, but under the circumstances, they'd be guaranteed to have two of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield available. None of the quarterbacks stick out, really, so it's not like there's a must-have prospect at the position.
The Browns have been linked to every quarterback not named Rosen. Allen has the biggest arm in this class, and he makes sense for Todd Haley's offense. Allen has to really work on his accuracy, mechanics and field vision, but he has top-five overall physical talent.
Pick change; previously Denzel Ward, CB
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5A11qnEfyWalter is losing it,. he doesn't understand the concept the Browns haven't had a francise quarterback since Bernie, and Allen is a huge question mark. Frak off Walter. . I used to respect his opinions- he's full of shiite on this one. With the Jets trading up, care to make a gentleman's bet the Bills are going to jump them before draft day? We're taking best qb- freaking 100% guaranteed now with this Colts turn of events.
Missed your prediction. Look what the Jets gave up? NY got fleeced.
Its easy to predict the score after the game, but you should know that.
They might have gotten fleeced, but the Redskins hold that dubious record in the RG III trade up. Bills will give up even more to get to #2.
Walter is losing it. I used to respect his opinions- he's full of shiite on this one. With the Jets trading up, care to make a gentleman's bet the Bills are going to jump them before draft day? We're taking best qb- freaking 100% guaranteed now with this Colts turn of events.
They might have gotten fleeced, but the Redskins hold that dubious record in the RG III trade up. Bills will give up even more to get to #2.
Any pro Barkley or Allen outlet is like propaganda.
3 - 2nd rounds picks. NY got fleeced.
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Walter is losing it. I used to respect his opinions- he's full of shiite on this one. With the Jets trading up, care to make a gentleman's bet the Bills are going to jump them before draft day? We're taking best qb- freaking 100% guaranteed now with this Colts turn of events.
They might have gotten fleeced, but the Redskins hold that dubious record in the RG III trade up. Bills will give up even more to get to #2.
Any pro Barkley or Allen outlet is like propaganda.
3 - 2nd rounds picks. NY got fleeced.
3 - 2nd rounds picks. NY got fleeced.
Supply and demand. If ya want a QB...ya gots to pay.
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- Who cares what order the players are added. Its not the amazing race tv show.
- Bottom line a player like Barkley is rare. You take whats there.
- 2 years from next April it will be Rosen can win if he only had a RB.
- Well I care since it is at the heart of my argument... But your willingness to dismiss what you cannot refute is duly noted.
- Not all "rare" players turn out as projected... not even RBs.
- Or he'll be the kid winnig with a JAG RB... lol
The Colts have no RB. They will take Barkley at 3 and say thank you Dorsey.
You must have certitude to burn... cause you burned a bunch in this thread.
2- Yes I talk him up, because he's worth it. The kid in incredible, he has his OWN DAY DEDICATED TO HIM
lol... well that cinches it!
Before the combines, I brought up Auburn's 6' 220 lb Kerryon Johnson as a RB
My top value RB... my 1B. Great Combine... the kid runs BIG. Could be problematic injury-wise at the next level, but he pounds.
HOLY Shmucking FIRE!!!!
So have you pre-ordered his shoes?
I tried really hard to see what we are going to do, all that comes up is- Saquon, no matter what.
See... now that's reasonable. Just like I keep looking and all I can see is Rosen at #1. Put that way we can accept each others takes. But once you or boo or anyone starts going full certitude... You're wrong/ I'm right... then that's what comes back at you.
We are all posting our own amateur opinions.
Some of us can discuss them objectively; some can't.
Some state their case once and refer to it from then on.
Some start thread after thread espousing the same old same old.
Some (cal) have to tear down an others views to make themselves feel better about their own.
You must have certitude to burn... cause you burned a bunch in this thread.
lol... well that cinches it!
My top value RB... my 1B. Great Combine... the kid runs BIG. Could be problematic injury-wise at the next level, but he pounds.
So have you pre-ordered his shoes?
See... now that's reasonable. Just like I keep looking and all I can see is Rosen at #1. Put that way we can accept each others takes. But once you or boo or anyone starts going full certitude... You're wrong/ I'm right... then that's what comes back at you.
We are all posting our own amateur opinions.
Some of us can discuss them objectively; some can't.
Some state their case once and refer to it from then on.
Some start thread after thread espousing the same old same old.
Some (cal) have to tear down an others views to make themselves feel better about their own.
You knew the Jets were moving up with the Colts.
Remember when you predicted the whole trade and how it would go down?
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Well obviously you can pull some names of people not drafted in 1st round. It's pointless because the same can be done for EVERY position. - Gunz
No, I'm just interested in staying in the context of our discussion. Not just people - QBs and it IS as easy looking at many of those drafted after the 4th overall pick still playing and getting nice contracts today(ie: Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Foles, Carr, Cousins, Roethlisberger, Prescott, Garappolo, Keenum, McCown, Dalton, Flacco). Again, that shows me there's a bunch of different drafts showing they didn't run out of reliable QBs before the 4th pick. There's quite a few people feeling if we don't draft a QB at #1 overall - we're not going to get the right QB when there's only 2 QBs that can be drafted before we draft again. Also keep in mind this is a deep draft at QB Gunzies to the extent we can draft a QB in round 1 and one later. The Redskins did that and Kirk Cousins was the most sought after FA while RG3 doesn't have a job. I'm thinking someone like Mike White, Luke Faulk, Riley Ferguson, Kurt Benkert or Kyle Lauletta might be worth consideration as a 2nd QB we draft in a draft deep enough to justify it. - Flugel
if they chose to get their QB at 4, then there is a possibility it's their 3rd QB. That doesn't mean he would be bad, it doesn't mean he won't be the best of the bunch. It means that it COULD be their 3rd ranked guy. And a recent example of the 3rd guy is Paxton Lynch. - Gunz
Worthy of note but Ben Roethlisberger was also a 3rd QB drafted back at #11 overall (behind Eli at #1 and Rivers at #4) so this reminds us that all drafts have different supplies for the big demand. Isn't it also a possibility that our FO has 3 different QBs rated so even they're having just as tough of a time finding a consensus for 1 QB as our fan base? Depending on how close as well as how much they either like Barkley or Chubb - it may not be as bad as people think. Another reality is the QB most often mocked to Cleveland is Darnold and they might not like some of his bad habits as another team is willing to take on. It's also possible John Elway's crush on Josh Allen has him trading up with someone before us which could make it conceivable we get one of the QBs we wanted all along. I'm open to all possibilities believe it or not. - Flugel
I dont care who they take and where. But it will be sickening to see someone that says Barkley #1 or someone else #1 to then come back and whine and moan, WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT GUY. Meaning, if you like Barkley there stick to it. Dont complain down the road and say the team was stupid and should have taken someone else - Gunz
Totally agree! Since you weren't here last year at this time - you'll prolly like hearing NOBODY posted the "WE SHOULD HAVES" about not drafting Watson during the 4-5 game span Watson was QBing Houston into the highest scoring offense in the AFC. Good thing too because he got injured and went on IR just like Carson Wentz did. - Flugel
All good points, but I was here last year.
One caveat though, I dont remember anyone being enamored with Watson before the draft.
I'm not saying the Browns shouldn't draft Barkley, even shouldn't draft him at #1, I am saying and have been saying that SOME of the talk on him is incredibly ridiculous. He ISN'T the perfect prospect, and as he has yet to prove ONE thing in the league, to be talking about him being the best ever is dumb. Could he end up that way, YEAH but extremely unlikely.
I find it very unlikely that they have 3 guys ranked alike. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, and could all be great, mediocre, or bad. And there doesn't seem like there is a consensus top guy. No questions there.
There are certainly examples to go both ways for any position (Rg3 vs Cousins, Lynch vs Big Ben, Trent Richardson vs Terrell Davis, etc) there is absolutely NO questioning that point. I'm not going to act like I know that 1 QB vs another or Barkley vs another running back yields better results. I DONT KNOW.
The thing that gets me, and I can't say that I am right in my feelings, is not listening to another side of a discussion, using only certain material to make a point while dismissing other material, changing a discussion, people thinking they know it all, or the occasional flat out lies (Not saying any of these for anyone in particular).
There are a few things that whether I or anyone else is right or wrong that it's hard for me to overlook.
One is that success rate for any position dips in percentage each round. So whether it is QB or RB, while there are always examples of low round guys (Brady or Terrell Davis) those are slimmer odds.
Another is that you can get similar production in lower rounds from other offensive positions other than QB. The reason is because you can use multiple people at those positions. You might not have as good of a player, but rotating at RB happens frequently, and passes are spread around to different receivers. But teams dont rotate QB. So while someone like Barkley may get you 1500 yards and 10 TDs, 2 backs could certainly get you 750 yards and 5 TDs.
And while I understand your point on the Cleveland QBs having a short career (at least in Cleveland), they has the most to do with the quality of the QB. It is NOT because a QB will have a short career in Cleveland because they are in Cleveland, or that the minute any QB is drafted or signed to play for the Browns that the clock starts ticking. But history ALL over the league tells us that RB only last for so long. That has nothing to do with the quality of player, it has to do with the amount of hits they take and the wear and tear on their body. There have been a couple exceptions of guys who lasted longer. Could Barkley be one of those exceptions, Yea I guess so. But history and odds aren't in his favor.
And lastly, and I have said this before, but maybe I didn't explain it correctly. The goal shouldn't be to have the best PLAYER, it should be the best TEAM. Having the best PLAYER doesn't guarantee anything, having the best team usually does. So while Barkley may very well be the best player in the draft, if you can't compliment everything else around him, then it's a moot point for what the goal should be. If you can get the most good players as opposed to the best and average, that is the way I would lean. I can't think of ONE position that Philadelphia had the best player in the league, yet they achieved the ultimate goal. New England is in Super Bowl basically every year, and they may have best QB and K. And while it doesn't mean a team with their main/Best player as a RB can't win the Super Bowl, it usually doesn't happen. I know what I see in New England, and while most hate them, they are GOOD and they really do treat their RB as dime a dozen. Someone can have a huge game rushing there, and then not play for 4 games. Eagles didn't have a great running back team either.
Just my thoughts on why I feel the way I do.
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- Who cares what order the players are added. Its not the amazing race tv show.
- Bottom line a player like Barkley is rare. You take whats there.
- 2 years from next April it will be Rosen can win if he only had a RB.
- Well I care since it is at the heart of my argument... But your willingness to dismiss what you cannot refute is duly noted.
- Not all "rare" players turn out as projected... not even RBs.
- Or he'll be the kid winnig with a JAG RB... lol
The Colts have no RB. They will take Barkley at 3 and say thank you Dorsey.
You must have certitude to burn... cause you burned a bunch in this thread.
2- Yes I talk him up, because he's worth it. The kid in incredible, he has his OWN DAY DEDICATED TO HIM
lol... well that cinches it!
Before the combines, I brought up Auburn's 6' 220 lb Kerryon Johnson as a RB
My top value RB... my 1B. Great Combine... the kid runs BIG. Could be problematic injury-wise at the next level, but he pounds.
HOLY Shmucking FIRE!!!!
So have you pre-ordered his shoes?
I tried really hard to see what we are going to do, all that comes up is- Saquon, no matter what.
See... now that's reasonable. Just like I keep looking and all I can see is Rosen at #1. Put that way we can accept each others takes. But once you or boo or anyone starts going full certitude... You're wrong/ I'm right... then that's what comes back at you.
We are all posting our own amateur opinions.
Some of us can discuss them objectively; some can't.
Some state their case once and refer to it from then on.
Some start thread after thread espousing the same old same old.
Some (cal) have to tear down an others views to make themselves feel better about their own.
- Well I care since it is at the heart of my argument... But your willingness to dismiss what you cannot refute is duly noted.
- Not all "rare" players turn out as projected... not even RBs.
- Or he'll be the kid winnig with a JAG RB... lol
1 Stuck on steps 1, 2, 3.
2 Yeah, lots of QBs who were supposed to be the answer.
3 In the X football league vs Johnny.
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