From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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Trouble is, I see what I see. I don't change my dumb opinions, just to agree with
other people so I'm with the majority, etc etc.
Mayfield and Allen LOVE the game, and they have that work ethic and
a bit of chip on their shoulder that they never, ever had anything handed to them,
they worked their asses off to get where they are today. I just think the Browns will go
Allen or Mayfield. It is what it is. If they don't pick a qb at all til later on, well after they trade the 4 pick, whatever,
I'll simply ROF, LMAO !
Trouble is, I see what I see. I don't change my dumb opinions, just to agree with
other people so I'm with the majority, etc etc.
Mayfield and Allen LOVE the game, and they have that work ethic and
a bit of chip on their shoulder that they never, ever had anything handed to them,
they worked their asses off to get where they are today. I just think the Browns will go
Allen or Mayfield. It is what it is. If they don't pick a qb at all til later on, well after they trade the 4 pick, whatever,
I'll simply ROF, LMAO !
Barkley has the same type of attitude you love if youre a coach.
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LOL. Brock Osweiler scored a 25 on the Wonderlic test. No joke. If Allen scores low, he's off everybody's list.
Year
Team Passing
Rushing
Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg TD 2009 Arizona State 24 55 43.6 249 4.5 2 2 86.4 16 7 0.4 0 2010 Arizona State 62 109 56.9 797 7.3 5 0 133.4 38 124 3.3 1 2011 Arizona State 326 516 63.2 4,036 7.8 26 13 140.5 83 90 1.1 3 Career 412 680 60.6 5,082 7.5 33 15 135.0 137 221 1.6 4 LOL. Brock Osweiler scored a 25 on the Wonderlic test. No joke. If Allen scores low, he's off everybody's list.
Year
Team Passing
Rushing
Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg TD 2009 Arizona State 24 55 43.6 249 4.5 2 2 86.4 16 7 0.4 0 2010 Arizona State 62 109 56.9 797 7.3 5 0 133.4 38 124 3.3 1 2011 Arizona State 326 516 63.2 4,036 7.8 26 13 140.5 83 90 1.1 3 Career 412 680 60.6 5,082 7.5 33 15 135.0 137 221 1.6 4 Jim Kelly said it best - "I did horrible on that Wonderlic Test and probably broke a record for a terrible score. My interpretation of a comparison of cats and dogs had no bearing on my level of preparation or ability to run a No Huddle Offense to the success level of 4 consecutive AFC Championships." I'll guarantee guys like Favre and Marino Dumb Jocked that assessment too. It took Brandon about 28 starts to learn he can throw the ball away if he just takes 3 strides to his right or his left. I can only imagine how much fun DCs had messing with his hollow dome.
Scouts and FOs can see enough film to determine whether a guy has a low football IQ or not. They can also get the guy to a chalk board to confirm their feelings as well as interview previous coaches.This ins't exclusive to the QB position either. If we had anything beyond lazy when Farmer was here - there was an Oklahoma State Coaching Staff chomping at the bits to warn us about the headaches they had with the Justin Gilbert we flushed a 1st round draft pick down the toilet with.
I'd like to know what was so overwhelming about all those corners and pass rushers that caused Allen to throw 15 INTs in 2016 or that prevented him from throwing more than 16 TD passes in 2017. And I posted the forgettable numbers he had against better DI schools to remind me he wasn't escalating the play of his teammates. When there weren't defenders and formations challenging time to throw, mechanics, intellect and accuracy at the Combine - it sure looked like he threw a lot more TD passes than he did during the 2017 season.
Arm strength is only 1 of countless intangibles that define a QB's success overall. I think DA and Weeden did a sufficient job of reminding us of this.
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I also prefer Rosen to Darnold Tom, but can we finally move on past the "this QB couldn't play in Cleveland because he's from a warm weather area of the U.S." narrative?
The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. They played college ball at Alabama, Southern Miss and Cal, respectively.
Nice! You're way better than I am at staying put on 1 QB Dutch. I started the off season with Darnold as my 1A, Mayfield as my 1B and I think Rudolph was my 1C (without any willingness whatsoever to give Rosen a chance). This week I'm at Mayfield as my 1A and Rosen as my 1B and Darnold as my 1C so you can take my input with a grain of salt.
I'm not even close to buying the Hallmark Fairy Tale about the QB that threw 15 INTs in 2016 followed by only 16 TDs in 2017 against Junior Varsity caliber corners and pass rushers. If a guy throws more TD passes at the Combine than he did in his final year or 2 of college football - who's kidding who? If I went back and got Allen's completion percentages far below 50% where he averaged less than 1 TD pass against bigger/better DI programs - it's a more accurate depiction of what he looks like in a world that includes the best pass rushers and DBs college football stockpiled the NFL with.
I've already seen a couple a couple bionic armed QBs here with the football IQ of a pet rock fail miserably here. I'm not falling for the next one no matter how many "YEAH BUT HE"S A GREAT KID" and "HE LOVES FOOTBALL" or "AND GET THIS THE BUCKY BROOKS ADORES HIM" or "HE HAS THE SAME COACH WENTZ HAD." Okay, give me that Offensive Coach.
Nice! You're way better than I am at staying put on 1 QB Dutch. I started the off season with Darnold as my 1A, Mayfield as my 1B and I think Rudolph was my 1C (without any willingness whatsoever to give Rosen a chance). This week I'm at Mayfield as my 1A and Rosen as my 1B and Darnold as my 1C so you can take my input with a grain of salt.
I'm not even close to buying the Hallmark Fairy Tale about the QB that threw 15 INTs in 2016 followed by only 16 TDs in 2017 against Junior Varsity caliber corners and pass rushers. If a guy throws more TD passes at the Combine than he did in his final year or 2 of college football - who's kidding who? If I went back and got Allen's completion percentages far below 50% where he averaged less than 1 TD pass against bigger/better DI programs - it's a more accurate depiction of what he looks like in a world that includes the best pass rushers and DBs college football stockpiled the NFL with.
I've already seen a couple a couple bionic armed QBs here with the football IQ of a pet rock fail miserably here. I'm not falling for the next one no matter how many "YEAH BUT HE"S A GREAT KID" and "HE LOVES FOOTBALL" or "AND GET THIS THE BUCKY BROOKS ADORES HIM" or "HE HAS THE SAME COACH WENTZ HAD." Okay, give me that Offensive Coach.
If you actually watch the combine for Rosen, it's not really accurate to say he was terrible. Brooks is a complete hater for whatever reason... that article made it seem like he missed almost every single throw, and that just wasn't the case.
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Dorsey loves Allen rumors said. I could see him picking him.
I loved Mayfield, but I thought making a documentary about yourself before you even play a snap is a bit narcissistic and pathetic.
Not sold on D'Arnold, and have heard too many negative things about Rosen to trust his character.
Who knows, Allen might end up being the best. I trust him to make the choice over anyone else. Especially Baby Huey,
... heard too many negative things about Rosen to trust his character.
You stopped listening too soon.
PoG thinks cal's love affair over Allen is over-the-top.
lol... Your one-liners make a return worthwhile.
Nice! You're way better than I am at staying put on 1 QB Dutch. I started the off season with Darnold as my 1A, Mayfield as my 1B and I think Rudolph was my 1C (without any willingness whatsoever to give Rosen a chance). This week I'm at Mayfield as my 1A and Rosen as my 1B and Darnold as my 1C so you can take my input with a grain of salt.
Sounds like me last year... flitting from QB prospect to QB prospect and never settling on one.
No such problem for me this year...
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Trouble is, I see what I see. I don't change my dumb opinions, just to agree with
other people so I'm with the majority, etc etc.
Mayfield and Allen LOVE the game, and they have that work ethic and
a bit of chip on their shoulder that they never, ever had anything handed to them,
they worked their asses off to get where they are today. I just think the Browns will go
Allen or Mayfield. It is what it is. If they don't pick a qb at all til later on, well after they trade the 4 pick, whatever,
I'll simply ROF, LMAO !
Barkley has the same type of attitude you love if youre a coach.
Barkley has the same type of attitude you love if youre a coach.
Absolutely correct ! Interesting - we got our power back, now Barkley and he could be
a one-two punch in the backfield- going to be a very kickass offense after it's done.
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Nice! You're way better than I am at staying put on 1 QB Dutch. I started the off season with Darnold as my 1A, Mayfield as my 1B and I think Rudolph was my 1C (without any willingness whatsoever to give Rosen a chance). This week I'm at Mayfield as my 1A and Rosen as my 1B and Darnold as my 1C so you can take my input with a grain of salt.
I'm not even close to buying the Hallmark Fairy Tale about the QB that threw 15 INTs in 2016 followed by only 16 TDs in 2017 against Junior Varsity caliber corners and pass rushers. If a guy throws more TD passes at the Combine than he did in his final year or 2 of college football - who's kidding who? If I went back and got Allen's completion percentages far below 50% where he averaged less than 1 TD pass against bigger/better DI programs - it's a more accurate depiction of what he looks like in a world that includes the best pass rushers and DBs college football stockpiled the NFL with.
I've already seen a couple a couple bionic armed QBs here with the football IQ of a pet rock fail miserably here. I'm not falling for the next one no matter how many "YEAH BUT HE"S A GREAT KID" and "HE LOVES FOOTBALL" or "AND GET THIS THE BUCKY BROOKS ADORES HIM" or "HE HAS THE SAME COACH WENTZ HAD." Okay, give me that Offensive Coach.
If you actually watch the combine for Rosen, it's not really accurate to say he was terrible. Brooks is a complete hater for whatever reason... that article made it seem like he missed almost every single throw, and that just wasn't the case.
If you actually watch the combine for Rosen, it's not really accurate to say he was terrible. Brooks is a complete hater for whatever reason... that article made it seem like he missed almost every single throw, and that just wasn't the case.
Don't know about Brooks' bias, but I can testify to the rest. Rosen started off shaky, but settled in.
The Problem at the Combine with all the QB prospects was they were too focused on "completions" and not the things the scouts were there to see.... starting with footwork. There was no urgency in their drops... no crispness. Next were the throws... and whether they were where they should be, when they should be. Here Mayfield and Rosen did as well as anyone and better than most.
David Carr was going on and on about the above, and he was spot on.
I've only seen two Pro-days... Mayfield's and Rosen's.
- Mayfield's drops while better were still not crisp. Rosen's on the other hand were much, much better.
- Mayfield threw indoors while Rosen threw outdoors on a very windy day.
- Mayfield did his set program, while Rosen told all the scouts there that after his 60-ish programmed throws, if there were any they still needed to see or see again, to just ask.
Heard one anecdote from Matt Hasselbeck on NFL LIve yesterday...
Whereas at an earlier Pro Day a QB missed a throw and "got on" the WR for running a square-in at 12 yards instead of 15, when Rosen threw incomplete on a clearly called out route that the WR ran as an in, Rosen said, "Thats' on me."
Rosen knew his WR was being scouted as well. What a sucky teammate! lol
I believe the "earlier QB" was Mayfield.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Nice! You're way better than I am at staying put on 1 QB Dutch. I started the off season with Darnold as my 1A, Mayfield as my 1B and I think Rudolph was my 1C (without any willingness whatsoever to give Rosen a chance). This week I'm at Mayfield as my 1A and Rosen as my 1B and Darnold as my 1C so you can take my input with a grain of salt.
I'm not even close to buying the Hallmark Fairy Tale about the QB that threw 15 INTs in 2016 followed by only 16 TDs in 2017 against Junior Varsity caliber corners and pass rushers. If a guy throws more TD passes at the Combine than he did in his final year or 2 of college football - who's kidding who? If I went back and got Allen's completion percentages far below 50% where he averaged less than 1 TD pass against bigger/better DI programs - it's a more accurate depiction of what he looks like in a world that includes the best pass rushers and DBs college football stockpiled the NFL with.
I've already seen a couple a couple bionic armed QBs here with the football IQ of a pet rock fail miserably here. I'm not falling for the next one no matter how many "YEAH BUT HE"S A GREAT KID" and "HE LOVES FOOTBALL" or "AND GET THIS THE BUCKY BROOKS ADORES HIM" or "HE HAS THE SAME COACH WENTZ HAD." Okay, give me that Offensive Coach.
If you actually watch the combine for Rosen, it's not really accurate to say he was terrible. Brooks is a complete hater for whatever reason... that article made it seem like he missed almost every single throw, and that just wasn't the case.
If you actually watch the combine for Rosen, it's not really accurate to say he was terrible. Brooks is a complete hater for whatever reason... that article made it seem like he missed almost every single throw, and that just wasn't the case.
I wasn't talking about Rosen Tom - I was busting Josh Allen's #1 fan's chops with the Bucky Brooks comment. I thought Rosen looked good after his first throw.
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If you actually watch the combine for Rosen, it's not really accurate to say he was terrible. Brooks is a complete hater for whatever reason... that article made it seem like he missed almost every single throw, and that just wasn't the case.
I wasn't talking about Rosen Tom - I was busting Josh Allen's #1 fan's chops with the Bucky Brooks comment. I thought Rosen looked good after his first throw.
I wasn't talking about Rosen Tom - I was busting Josh Allen's #1 fan's chops with the Bucky Brooks comment. I thought Rosen looked good after his first throw.
I know. But the "Winners and Losers" was Brooks. He was one of the few who thought Rosen looked bad... then you had Mayock on the same day saying "He looked great" I saw the article that day and went and watched the videos... and I wouldn't call it bad or poor, he missed some early throws, shrugged it off and hit some great throws. They made it sound like it was a Teddy Twatwater type day where he was awful. He wasn't perfect but he wasn't horrible.
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Barkley has the same type of attitude you love if youre a coach.
Absolutely correct ! Interesting - we got our power back, now Barkley and he could be
a one-two punch in the backfield- going to be a very kickass offense after it's done.
Absolutely correct ! Interesting - we got our power back, now Barkley and he could be
a one-two punch in the backfield- going to be a very kickass offense after it's done.
Best RB trio in the AFCN.
Barkley is the perfect weapon for today's passing offenses. Get him out in space and throw him the ball. The YAC will follow. People are complaining that Barkley only has 4.4 speed.
Francis41 was expecting 4.3 speed.
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I wasn't talking about Rosen Tom - I was busting Josh Allen's #1 fan's chops with the Bucky Brooks comment. I thought Rosen looked good after his first throw.
I know. But the "Winners and Losers" was Brooks. He was one of the few who thought Rosen looked bad... then you had Mayock on the same day saying "He looked great" I saw the article that day and went and watched the videos... and I wouldn't call it bad or poor, he missed some early throws, shrugged it off and hit some great throws. They made it sound like it was a Teddy Twatwater type day where he was awful. He wasn't perfect but he wasn't horrible.
I know. But the "Winners and Losers" was Brooks. He was one of the few who thought Rosen looked bad... then you had Mayock on the same day saying "He looked great" I saw the article that day and went and watched the videos... and I wouldn't call it bad or poor, he missed some early throws, shrugged it off and hit some great throws. They made it sound like it was a Teddy Twatwater type day where he was awful. He wasn't perfect but he wasn't horrible.
I'm not one that thinks Bucky Brooks is a great judge of QB talent.
Believe it or not, as much as I really like Mike Mayock's research for most position groups - I wasn't as impressed with his work on the QBs this year. He puts Darnold as his #1 QB and gives us far more complaints than reasons why he has him rated #1. Then he's got Lamar Jackson tied for #5 with Mason Rudolph and he raves about him way more than he did for his #1 ranked guy. I DO like what he said about Mayfield expecting to be critical when he started on his tape and ending up very pleasantly surprised with accuracy and arm strength. The more he watched the more he became a big believer. David Carr said something very similar as did someone else.
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LOL. Brock Osweiler scored a 25 on the Wonderlic test. No joke. If Allen scores low, he's off everybody's list.
Year
Team Passing
Rushing
Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg TD 2009 Arizona State 24 55 43.6 249 4.5 2 2 86.4 16 7 0.4 0 2010 Arizona State 62 109 56.9 797 7.3 5 0 133.4 38 124 3.3 1 2011 Arizona State 326 516 63.2 4,036 7.8 26 13 140.5 83 90 1.1 3 Career 412 680 60.6 5,082 7.5 33 15 135.0 137 221 1.6 4 LOL. Brock Osweiler scored a 25 on the Wonderlic test. No joke. If Allen scores low, he's off everybody's list.
412 680 60.6 5,082 7.5 33 15 135.0 137 221 1.6 4 The baseline FOR QBS is 20 CaL. CHILL OUT. A few guys have scored below 10. they can't spell cat if you spot them the c and t, and don't know what month is between August and October.
I would take Shaquem Griffin ahead of Allen. Not kidding either.
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LOL. Brock Osweiler scored a 25 on the Wonderlic test. No joke. If Allen scores low, he's off everybody's list.
412 680 60.6 5,082 7.5 33 15 135.0 137 221 1.6 4 The baseline FOR QBS is 20 CaL. CHILL OUT. A few guys have scored below 10. they can't spell cat if you spot them the c and t, and don't know what month is between August and October.
I would take Shaquem Griffin ahead of Allen. Not kidding either.
The baseline FOR QBS is 20 CaL. CHILL OUT. A few guys have scored below 10. they can't spell cat if you spot them the c and t, and don't know what month is between August and October.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test
Some notable players who scored well above the average include:
- Aaron Rodgers – 35 (first-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft)[29]
- Sam Bradford – 36 (first overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft)
- Colin Kaepernick – 37 (second-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft)
- Andrew Luck – 37 (first overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft)
- Tony Romo – 37 (undrafted in 2003)[29]
- Matthew Stafford – 38 (first overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft)[34]
- Eli Manning – 39 (first overall pick in the 2004 NFL Draft)[29]
- Alex Smith – 40 (first overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft)[35]
- Carson Wentz – 40 (first-round, second overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft)[36]
- Calvin Johnson – 41 (first-round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft)[37]
- Ryan Nassib – 41 (fourth-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft)[38]
- Blaine Gabbert – 42 (first-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft)[39]
- Eric Decker – 43 (third-round pick in the 2010 NFL Draft)[40]
- Greg McElroy – 43 (seventh-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft)[41]
- John Urschel – 43 (fifth-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft); began working on a PhD in math at MIT in 2016[42][43]
- Matt Birk – 46 (sixth-round pick in the 1998 NFL Draft)[44]
- Ryan Fitzpatrick – 48 (seventh-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft; finished test in a record nine minutes)[45]
- Ben Watson – 48 (first-round pick in the 2004 NFL Draft)[46]
- Mike Mamula – 49 (first-round pick in the 1995 NFL Draft; second highest score ever reported)[47]
- Pat McInally – 50 (fifth-round pick in the 1975 NFL Draft; only player known to have gotten a perfect score)[48]
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Peyton Manning got a 28
barfrapistbooger got a 25
akili smith got a 37 LOL
Terry Bradshaw 15
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Absolutely correct ! Interesting - we got our power back, now Barkley and he could be
a one-two punch in the backfield- going to be a very kickass offense after it's done.
Best RB trio in the AFCN.
Barkley is the perfect weapon for today's passing offenses. Get him out in space and throw him the ball. The YAC will follow. People are complaining that Barkley only has 4.4 speed.
Francis41 was expecting 4.3 speed.
Best RB trio in the AFCN.
Barkley is the perfect weapon for today's passing offenses. Get him out in space and throw him the ball. The YAC will follow. People are complaining that Barkley only has 4.4 speed.
Francis41 was expecting 4.3 speed.
I'm guessing I am supposed to be Francis41???
No I wasn't expecting a 4.3, Saquon Barkleys son,brother,cousin, sister, fan boy whatever POG is, said he would run sub 4.3
And since he is the one posting things about him every 5 minutes and saying to trust him on this one, I figured he would know.
Before you call someone out for something, know the story or look dumb
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(Allen FOMO Vid)
That was past of the jist on reddit... that the press was creating FOMO buzz around Allen that was leaving many FO's puzzled.
One thread went as far as accusing Todd McShay of pimping for Allen and Darnold because they are using the same agency that Todd has used. Todd then replied that he was not being rep'd by that agency. The fact then came out that the agency in question had in fact negotiated his last couple deals with ESPN and such... he simply was not using them at present.
Personally I like McShay's analyses a lot and would prefer to simply disagree with him, but now I have to wonder.
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(Allen FOMO Vid)
That was past of the jist on reddit... that the press was creating FOMO buzz around Allen that was leaving many FO's puzzled.
One thread went as far as accusing Todd McShay of pimping for Allen and Darnold because they are using the same agency that Todd has used. Todd then replied that he was not being rep'd by that agency. The fact then came out that the agency in question had in fact negotiated his last couple deals with ESPN and such... he simply was not using them at present.
Personally I like McShay's analyses a lot and would prefer to simply disagree with him, but now I have to wonder.
That was past of the jist on reddit... that the press was creating FOMO buzz around Allen that was leaving many FO's puzzled.
One thread went as far as accusing Todd McShay of pimping for Allen and Darnold because they are using the same agency that Todd has used. Todd then replied that he was not being rep'd by that agency. The fact then came out that the agency in question had in fact negotiated his last couple deals with ESPN and such... he simply was not using them at present.
Personally I like McShay's analyses a lot and would prefer to simply disagree with him, but now I have to wonder.
I wouldn't doubt it. Easy to get the uninformed riled up with the huge arm and some amazing highlights. He looks the part... Maybe he'll be able to adapt to the NFL... But I'm not chancing a #1 pick on a guy like this. Especially when you dive deeper into his stats. It's just not very impressive
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That was past of the jist on reddit... that the press was creating FOMO buzz around Allen that was leaving many FO's puzzled.
One thread went as far as accusing Todd McShay of pimping for Allen and Darnold because they are using the same agency that Todd has used. Todd then replied that he was not being rep'd by that agency. The fact then came out that the agency in question had in fact negotiated his last couple deals with ESPN and such... he simply was not using them at present.
Personally I like McShay's analyses a lot and would prefer to simply disagree with him, but now I have to wonder.
I wouldn't doubt it. Easy to get the uninformed riled up with the huge arm and some amazing highlights. He looks the part... Maybe he'll be able to adapt to the NFL... But I'm not chancing a #1 pick on a guy like this. Especially when you dive deeper into his stats. It's just not very impressive
I wouldn't doubt it. Easy to get the uninformed riled up with the huge arm and some amazing highlights. He looks the part... Maybe he'll be able to adapt to the NFL... But I'm not chancing a #1 pick on a guy like this. Especially when you dive deeper into his stats. It's just not very impressive
It's easy to get sucked into highlight videos- we have a resident Barkley pumper who does the same. You watch entire game film- different impression. "Character" "dedication" only get you so far. Raw talent counts way more. Why me and Ag want no part of Josh.
Allen wins the beauty pageant award hands down- but as Tour said- when he hits the broadside of a barn, he puts a hole in it.
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If you actually watch the combine for Rosen, it's not really accurate to say he was terrible. Brooks is a complete hater for whatever reason... that article made it seem like he missed almost every single throw, and that just wasn't the case.
I wasn't talking about Rosen Tom - I was busting Josh Allen's #1 fan's chops with the Bucky Brooks comment. I thought Rosen looked good after his first throw.
I wasn't talking about Rosen Tom - I was busting Josh Allen's #1 fan's chops with the Bucky Brooks comment. I thought Rosen looked good after his first throw.
I know. But I think they just didn't expect much from Allen and were surprised. And they expected Rosen to be perfect on every single throw and he wasn't
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I wasn't talking about Rosen Tom - I was busting Josh Allen's #1 fan's chops with the Bucky Brooks comment. I thought Rosen looked good after his first throw.
I know. But I think they just didn't expect much from Allen and were surprised. And they expected Rosen to be perfect on every single throw and he wasn't
I know. But I think they just didn't expect much from Allen and were surprised. And they expected Rosen to be perfect on every single throw and he wasn't
There was the 80-yd bomb... can't teach that.
Some lucky team will be able to throw Hail Marys from their own 25...
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