From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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the point is, compare that to the list of players for Wyoming. Regardless of where they get drafted, there was only two for Wyoming.
Playing with a bunch of seniors helps immensely. Allen didn't have that. That's just facts. How much it means is
subjective - but it can't be denied that rosenbum had a far, far better cast.
That a LOT more players available to the draft than Wyoming. It is what it is.
the point is, compare that to the list of players for Wyoming. Regardless of where they get drafted, there was only two for Wyoming.
Playing with a bunch of seniors helps immensely. Allen didn't have that. That's just facts. How much it means is
subjective - but it can't be denied that rosenbum had a far, far better cast.
That a LOT more players available to the draft than Wyoming. It is what it is.
UCLA played against better teams too.
This post I pulled from elsewhere nails the red flags.
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If ANY of the UCLA skill position players and the bulk of the lineman go before the 5/6th round, I'll be Shmucking shocked.
If ANY of the UCLA skill position players and the bulk of the lineman go before the 5/6th round, I'll be Shmucking shocked.
Miller and Rosen are the standouts. Lasley is a playmaker, but with drop issues and off field issues (suspended multiple games this yr), he's prob 4th or 5th rd pick
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wait - anderson went to oregon state and kizer went to ND.
A whole different cast of talent around them, compared to the competition they faced.
What blue chip hs stars from around the country go to little places like Wyoming?
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If ANY of the UCLA skill position players and the bulk of the lineman go before the 5/6th round, I'll be Shmucking shocked.
Miller and Rosen are the standouts. Lasley is a playmaker, but with drop issues and off field issues (suspended multiple games this yr), he's prob 4th or 5th rd pick
Miller and Rosen are the standouts.
Kolton Miller measures great, but plays below average. Too much project there for my taste to be a value pick.
Of the UCLA OL I unexpectedly grew to like Quissenberry, their Center.
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the so called QB whisper will probably ruin whatever QB we draft
With you on that. Remember he didn’t like the way Carson Wenz held the ball in the rain ??
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Josh Allen reminds me of Spergon Wynn. In the best way!
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Josh Allen reminds me of Spergon Wynn. In the best way!
Josh Allen reminds me of Spergon Wynn. In the best way!
Are they both vaginal contraceptives?
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and, to the point about in hs, etc - also -
in the article I posted, he went to a little hs, and didn't concentrate on just one sport like some do, and never went to these football camps again and again, because they played multiple sports at the time, and he worked on their farm a lot.
Rosen bum went to them - he was rich and entitled - it shows in how much a punk he is. Rosen is working hard to show he isn't, but anybody CAN see, a lot WON'T, that it isn't all that convincing if you look close. You want the little rich boy tennis prodigy turned football quarterback, ok. I'm fine with it. But if I'm pickin, he isn't even on my list. No heart. No leadership. etc etc.
and, to the point about in hs, etc - also -
in the article I posted, he went to a little hs, and didn't concentrate on just one sport like some do, and never went to these football camps again and again, because they played multiple sports at the time, and he worked on their farm a lot.
Rosen bum went to them - he was rich and entitled - it shows in how much a punk he is. Rosen is working hard to show he isn't, but anybody CAN see, a lot WON'T, that it isn't all that convincing if you look close. You want the little rich boy tennis prodigy turned football quarterback, ok. I'm fine with it. But if I'm pickin, he isn't even on my list. No heart. No leadership. etc etc.
I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
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Of course he is -- this entire thread and argument is determining the conclusion [Allen = good] and working backwards to fit the (lack of) evidence into a semblance of a rationale.. and then repeating that reasoning enough to convince stupid people. You know, like a cult.
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Of course he is -- this entire thread and argument is determining the conclusion [Allen = good] and working backwards to fit the (lack of) evidence into a semblance of a rationale.. and then repeating that reasoning enough to convince stupid people. You know, like a cult.
Of course he is -- this entire thread and argument is determining the conclusion [Allen = good] and working backwards to fit the (lack of) evidence into a semblance of a rationale.. and then repeating that reasoning enough to convince stupid people. You know, like a cult.
Make Allen Great Assholes
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and, to the point about in hs, etc - also -
in the article I posted, he went to a little hs, and didn't concentrate on just one sport like some do, and never went to these football camps again and again, because they played multiple sports at the time, and he worked on their farm a lot.
Rosen bum went to them - he was rich and entitled - it shows in how much a punk he is. Rosen is working hard to show he isn't, but anybody CAN see, a lot WON'T, that it isn't all that convincing if you look close. You want the little rich boy tennis prodigy turned football quarterback, ok. I'm fine with it. But if I'm pickin, he isn't even on my list. No heart. No leadership. etc etc.
I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
not at all. I simply question a smaller school that doesn't have the talent to be good IN THEIR CONFERENCE. Sorry, but I showed you all the seniors that are prospects to be drafted that rosen played with. Allen's top two wr's were a soph and a jr.Que. is a very good center. Miller is going to be very good - but he needs to be stronger for the NFL. Allen didn't have talent like that. And Wyoming played IOWA - and only ? lost 24-3 they played OREGON, and got stomped 49-13.
they beat Air Force and Hawaii...
Seems to me you and others are refusing to get the point by any means necessary - that it was Allen that went there, and put his team on his shoulders, and led them to the Potato Bowl, where he SHINED. Had he played the whole senior bowl,he would have dominated.
"never been above average?" he has a great arm. That is above average. He has the heart to fight no matter what the odds.That is way above average. For a big guy, he a far more athletic than average.Experts buzzed about his accuracy at the combine. Has he had his pro day yet?
I don't let the media pick my choice. I pick my own choice, with reasons to back it up. IOW's, if there is a solid explanation for his lack of accuracy -- that doesn't mean he won't be a great NFL qb.
Footwork, lack of talent around him, he needs to work on his footwork. Experts and the media noted he already improved significantly by the COMBINE. Darnold apparently hadn't improved - he wouldn't show it at the combine, so I wonder about that.
And the derek anderson and weedon thing? that is LOL because they were very much athletic dorks in the NFL. Allen will be able to be very athletic even at the higher level.
The accuracy thing is easy to ignore when accuracy hawkers don't try to look at the reasons WHY those numbers are low, and why those reasons don't matter. Just my opinion.
Wyoming is not a big school that should be playing schools like IOWA and OREGON.
Before you diss that point, look at the teams Wentz went up against in 2015 -
http://gobison.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=52
Here's another list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_North_Dakota_State_Bison_football_team
Now, look at the competition Wentz faced, and see if Iowa and Oregon are on it.Then come back and tell me that doesn't matter that overall, Allen's accuracy % islow, but he faced far bigger competition than his team talent was able to compete against a few times.
Add in the footwork he needs to work on... and I see a kid who will be a star in the NFL, just not as ready to roll as Wentz was.
I looked at all this stuff before I decided on Allen being my pick as the better choice talent wise. It's a team game.
EDIT: and if the Browns don't pick a qb high, but rather wait til the second round? We'll all LOL at how wrong we were. But I don't see that happening.
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I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
not at all. I simply question a smaller school that doesn't have the talent to be good IN THEIR CONFERENCE. Sorry, but I showed you all the seniors that are prospects to be drafted that rosen played with. Allen's top two wr's were a soph and a jr.Que. is a very good center. Miller is going to be very good - but he needs to be stronger for the NFL. Allen didn't have talent like that. And Wyoming played IOWA - and only ? lost 24-3 they played OREGON, and got stomped 49-13.
they beat Air Force and Hawaii...
Seems to me you and others are refusing to get the point by any means necessary - that it was Allen that went there, and put his team on his shoulders, and led them to the Potato Bowl, where he SHINED. Had he played the whole senior bowl,he would have dominated.
"never been above average?" he has a great arm. That is above average. He has the heart to fight no matter what the odds.That is way above average. For a big guy, he a far more athletic than average.Experts buzzed about his accuracy at the combine. Has he had his pro day yet?
I don't let the media pick my choice. I pick my own choice, with reasons to back it up. IOW's, if there is a solid explanation for his lack of accuracy -- that doesn't mean he won't be a great NFL qb.
Footwork, lack of talent around him, he needs to work on his footwork. Experts and the media noted he already improved significantly by the COMBINE. Darnold apparently hadn't improved - he wouldn't show it at the combine, so I wonder about that.
And the derek anderson and weedon thing? that is LOL because they were very much athletic dorks in the NFL. Allen will be able to be very athletic even at the higher level.
The accuracy thing is easy to ignore when accuracy hawkers don't try to look at the reasons WHY those numbers are low, and why those reasons don't matter. Just my opinion.
Wyoming is not a big school that should be playing schools like IOWA and OREGON.
Before you diss that point, look at the teams Wentz went up against in 2015 -
http://gobison.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=52
Here's another list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_North_Dakota_State_Bison_football_team
Now, look at the competition Wentz faced, and see if Iowa and Oregon are on it.Then come back and tell me that doesn't matter that overall, Allen's accuracy % islow, but he faced far bigger competition than his team talent was able to compete against a few times.
Add in the footwork he needs to work on... and I see a kid who will be a star in the NFL, just not as ready to roll as Wentz was.
I looked at all this stuff before I decided on Allen being my pick as the better choice talent wise. It's a team game.
EDIT: and if the Browns don't pick a qb high, but rather wait til the second round? We'll all LOL at how wrong we were. But I don't see that happening.
not at all. I simply question a smaller school that doesn't have the talent to be good IN THEIR CONFERENCE. Sorry, but I showed you all the seniors that are prospects to be drafted that rosen played with. Allen's top two wr's were a soph and a jr.Que. is a very good center. Miller is going to be very good - but he needs to be stronger for the NFL. Allen didn't have talent like that. And Wyoming played IOWA - and only ? lost 24-3 they played OREGON, and got stomped 49-13.
they beat Air Force and Hawaii...
Seems to me you and others are refusing to get the point by any means necessary - that it was Allen that went there, and put his team on his shoulders, and led them to the Potato Bowl, where he SHINED. Had he played the whole senior bowl,he would have dominated.
"never been above average?" he has a great arm. That is above average. He has the heart to fight no matter what the odds.That is way above average. For a big guy, he a far more athletic than average.Experts buzzed about his accuracy at the combine. Has he had his pro day yet?
I don't let the media pick my choice. I pick my own choice, with reasons to back it up. IOW's, if there is a solid explanation for his lack of accuracy -- that doesn't mean he won't be a great NFL qb.
Footwork, lack of talent around him, he needs to work on his footwork. Experts and the media noted he already improved significantly by the COMBINE. Darnold apparently hadn't improved - he wouldn't show it at the combine, so I wonder about that.
And the derek anderson and weedon thing? that is LOL because they were very much athletic dorks in the NFL. Allen will be able to be very athletic even at the higher level.
The accuracy thing is easy to ignore when accuracy hawkers don't try to look at the reasons WHY those numbers are low, and why those reasons don't matter. Just my opinion.
Wyoming is not a big school that should be playing schools like IOWA and OREGON.
Before you diss that point, look at the teams Wentz went up against in 2015 -
http://gobison.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=52
Here's another list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_North_Dakota_State_Bison_football_team
Now, look at the competition Wentz faced, and see if Iowa and Oregon are on it.Then come back and tell me that doesn't matter that overall, Allen's accuracy % islow, but he faced far bigger competition than his team talent was able to compete against a few times.
Add in the footwork he needs to work on... and I see a kid who will be a star in the NFL, just not as ready to roll as Wentz was.
I looked at all this stuff before I decided on Allen being my pick as the better choice talent wise. It's a team game.
EDIT: and if the Browns don't pick a qb high, but rather wait til the second round? We'll all LOL at how wrong we were. But I don't see that happening.
He wasn’t even good in high school against guys who likely weren’t even going to play D3 football. If you look at any decent college QB when they were in high school, you can see the difference in ability compared to their peers. He had bad accuracy then and that was against total nobodies. It is ultimately what kept him from getting an offer from any school. He continued to have bad accuracy against nobodies in a weak conference in college.
I also don’t get the hang up on leadership. He has not been a winner at any level. He was above .500 in college is the best that can be said about it.
Nothing about that tells me he will miraculously turn it around when the competition is far superior in the pros.
This isn’t some smear to push Rosen (I have serious medical concerns). I just don’t see what anyone sees in a kid that has never completed more than 56% of his passes at any level. Getting the ball from point A to point B is the job of a QB.
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I get that. But you are missing out on an important point. Your generalization doesn't work.
His high school was not a big hs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Allen_(quarterback)
In a 2017 story on Allen, ESPN journalist Mark Schlabach speculated on why Allen got so little interest out of high school:[1]
At the time, Josh was about 6-foot-3 and 180 pounds. He hadn't attended the elite quarterback camps and wasn't a widely known prospect. His high school team didn't participate in many 7-on-7 camps because Josh and many of his teammates were busy playing baseball and other sports. He was the leading scorer on his basketball team and also pitched on the baseball team, reaching 90 mph with his fastball.
Yahoo! Sports writer Jeff Eisenberg added in another 2017 story,[2]
At a time when many scholarship-hungry families encourage their kids to specialize in one sport or to transfer to the school that will provide the most exposure, the Allens resisted both trends. They spurned overtures from more prominent Central Valley programs after Allen’s breakout junior season and kept him at Firebaugh, living by the family mantra that “you bloom where you’re planted.”
Not only was Allen involved in multiple sports while in high school, he also regularly worked on the family farm and at the restaurant his mother operated in Firebaugh.[2]
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I am telling you, that all relevant facts matter. He didn't go to a big hs, didn't go to the specialized football camps, didn't only play one sport, and he also worked regularly on the family farm and the restaurant his Parents operated. He didn't have that fancy "expert" coaching all the time.
So he isn't as polished - I get it. But to ASSume that he won't make it in the NFL is just nonsense. That's all.
Let's just wait and see how it all works out, shall we? The points I make matter to me, I have no idea why they don't matter to everybody else, and that's the way it is.
Some of us caught hell over advocating for Wentz, too, and he had the high completion percentages, albeit, competition far lower than Wyoming did.
It's more complicated that "der, accuracy numnber - allen sucks" bs.
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interesting stats for people who say if you can't complete passes in college then you can't complete passes in the NFL
ATT COMP COMP % YDS TD INT RATE
Tyrod Taylor VT 865 495 57.2 7017 44 20 137.5
Tyrod Taylor NFL 1271 793 62.4 9056 51 18 91.2
Josh Allen Wyoming 649 365 56.2 5066 44 21 137.7
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interesting stats for people who say if you can't complete passes in college then you can't complete passes in the NFL
ATT COMP COMP % YDS TD INT RATE
Tyrod Taylor VT 865 495 57.2 7017 44 20 137.5
Tyrod Taylor NFL 1271 793 62.4 9056 51 18 91.2
Josh Allen Wyoming 649 365 56.2 5066 44 21 137.7
interesting stats for people who say if you can't complete passes in college then you can't complete passes in the NFL
ATT COMP COMP % YDS TD INT RATE
Tyrod Taylor VT 865 495 57.2 7017 44 20 137.5
Tyrod Taylor NFL 1271 793 62.4 9056 51 18 91.2
Josh Allen Wyoming 649 365 56.2 5066 44 21 137.7
For some reason I don't understand where the "Can't" comes from. You can improve, but what you focus on is what is probable. That type of improvement is simply NOT probable.
That having been said, if you're pimping Josh Allen as the #1 overall pick - you really don't want to be using a player like Tyrod and his numbers.
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