From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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and, to the point about in hs, etc - also -
in the article I posted, he went to a little hs, and didn't concentrate on just one sport like some do, and never went to these football camps again and again, because they played multiple sports at the time, and he worked on their farm a lot.
Rosen bum went to them - he was rich and entitled - it shows in how much a punk he is. Rosen is working hard to show he isn't, but anybody CAN see, a lot WON'T, that it isn't all that convincing if you look close. You want the little rich boy tennis prodigy turned football quarterback, ok. I'm fine with it. But if I'm pickin, he isn't even on my list. No heart. No leadership. etc etc.
and, to the point about in hs, etc - also -
in the article I posted, he went to a little hs, and didn't concentrate on just one sport like some do, and never went to these football camps again and again, because they played multiple sports at the time, and he worked on their farm a lot.
Rosen bum went to them - he was rich and entitled - it shows in how much a punk he is. Rosen is working hard to show he isn't, but anybody CAN see, a lot WON'T, that it isn't all that convincing if you look close. You want the little rich boy tennis prodigy turned football quarterback, ok. I'm fine with it. But if I'm pickin, he isn't even on my list. No heart. No leadership. etc etc.
I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
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Of course he is -- this entire thread and argument is determining the conclusion [Allen = good] and working backwards to fit the (lack of) evidence into a semblance of a rationale.. and then repeating that reasoning enough to convince stupid people. You know, like a cult.
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Of course he is -- this entire thread and argument is determining the conclusion [Allen = good] and working backwards to fit the (lack of) evidence into a semblance of a rationale.. and then repeating that reasoning enough to convince stupid people. You know, like a cult.
Of course he is -- this entire thread and argument is determining the conclusion [Allen = good] and working backwards to fit the (lack of) evidence into a semblance of a rationale.. and then repeating that reasoning enough to convince stupid people. You know, like a cult.
Make Allen Great Assholes
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and, to the point about in hs, etc - also -
in the article I posted, he went to a little hs, and didn't concentrate on just one sport like some do, and never went to these football camps again and again, because they played multiple sports at the time, and he worked on their farm a lot.
Rosen bum went to them - he was rich and entitled - it shows in how much a punk he is. Rosen is working hard to show he isn't, but anybody CAN see, a lot WON'T, that it isn't all that convincing if you look close. You want the little rich boy tennis prodigy turned football quarterback, ok. I'm fine with it. But if I'm pickin, he isn't even on my list. No heart. No leadership. etc etc.
I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
not at all. I simply question a smaller school that doesn't have the talent to be good IN THEIR CONFERENCE. Sorry, but I showed you all the seniors that are prospects to be drafted that rosen played with. Allen's top two wr's were a soph and a jr.Que. is a very good center. Miller is going to be very good - but he needs to be stronger for the NFL. Allen didn't have talent like that. And Wyoming played IOWA - and only ? lost 24-3 they played OREGON, and got stomped 49-13.
they beat Air Force and Hawaii...
Seems to me you and others are refusing to get the point by any means necessary - that it was Allen that went there, and put his team on his shoulders, and led them to the Potato Bowl, where he SHINED. Had he played the whole senior bowl,he would have dominated.
"never been above average?" he has a great arm. That is above average. He has the heart to fight no matter what the odds.That is way above average. For a big guy, he a far more athletic than average.Experts buzzed about his accuracy at the combine. Has he had his pro day yet?
I don't let the media pick my choice. I pick my own choice, with reasons to back it up. IOW's, if there is a solid explanation for his lack of accuracy -- that doesn't mean he won't be a great NFL qb.
Footwork, lack of talent around him, he needs to work on his footwork. Experts and the media noted he already improved significantly by the COMBINE. Darnold apparently hadn't improved - he wouldn't show it at the combine, so I wonder about that.
And the derek anderson and weedon thing? that is LOL because they were very much athletic dorks in the NFL. Allen will be able to be very athletic even at the higher level.
The accuracy thing is easy to ignore when accuracy hawkers don't try to look at the reasons WHY those numbers are low, and why those reasons don't matter. Just my opinion.
Wyoming is not a big school that should be playing schools like IOWA and OREGON.
Before you diss that point, look at the teams Wentz went up against in 2015 -
http://gobison.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=52
Here's another list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_North_Dakota_State_Bison_football_team
Now, look at the competition Wentz faced, and see if Iowa and Oregon are on it.Then come back and tell me that doesn't matter that overall, Allen's accuracy % islow, but he faced far bigger competition than his team talent was able to compete against a few times.
Add in the footwork he needs to work on... and I see a kid who will be a star in the NFL, just not as ready to roll as Wentz was.
I looked at all this stuff before I decided on Allen being my pick as the better choice talent wise. It's a team game.
EDIT: and if the Browns don't pick a qb high, but rather wait til the second round? We'll all LOL at how wrong we were. But I don't see that happening.
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I don’t care about Rosen because he isn’t part of the conversation about Allen. Lots of kids played multiple sports and found a way to look head and shoulders above their high school peers if they have the talent. I went to a small school and we had a QB who completed more than 60% of his passes our senior year when we went 3-7.
It seems you are jumping over a lot of mental hurdles to justify Allen being a good NFL QB when he has never been accurate or above average the entire time he has been a QB at all levels.
not at all. I simply question a smaller school that doesn't have the talent to be good IN THEIR CONFERENCE. Sorry, but I showed you all the seniors that are prospects to be drafted that rosen played with. Allen's top two wr's were a soph and a jr.Que. is a very good center. Miller is going to be very good - but he needs to be stronger for the NFL. Allen didn't have talent like that. And Wyoming played IOWA - and only ? lost 24-3 they played OREGON, and got stomped 49-13.
they beat Air Force and Hawaii...
Seems to me you and others are refusing to get the point by any means necessary - that it was Allen that went there, and put his team on his shoulders, and led them to the Potato Bowl, where he SHINED. Had he played the whole senior bowl,he would have dominated.
"never been above average?" he has a great arm. That is above average. He has the heart to fight no matter what the odds.That is way above average. For a big guy, he a far more athletic than average.Experts buzzed about his accuracy at the combine. Has he had his pro day yet?
I don't let the media pick my choice. I pick my own choice, with reasons to back it up. IOW's, if there is a solid explanation for his lack of accuracy -- that doesn't mean he won't be a great NFL qb.
Footwork, lack of talent around him, he needs to work on his footwork. Experts and the media noted he already improved significantly by the COMBINE. Darnold apparently hadn't improved - he wouldn't show it at the combine, so I wonder about that.
And the derek anderson and weedon thing? that is LOL because they were very much athletic dorks in the NFL. Allen will be able to be very athletic even at the higher level.
The accuracy thing is easy to ignore when accuracy hawkers don't try to look at the reasons WHY those numbers are low, and why those reasons don't matter. Just my opinion.
Wyoming is not a big school that should be playing schools like IOWA and OREGON.
Before you diss that point, look at the teams Wentz went up against in 2015 -
http://gobison.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=52
Here's another list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_North_Dakota_State_Bison_football_team
Now, look at the competition Wentz faced, and see if Iowa and Oregon are on it.Then come back and tell me that doesn't matter that overall, Allen's accuracy % islow, but he faced far bigger competition than his team talent was able to compete against a few times.
Add in the footwork he needs to work on... and I see a kid who will be a star in the NFL, just not as ready to roll as Wentz was.
I looked at all this stuff before I decided on Allen being my pick as the better choice talent wise. It's a team game.
EDIT: and if the Browns don't pick a qb high, but rather wait til the second round? We'll all LOL at how wrong we were. But I don't see that happening.
not at all. I simply question a smaller school that doesn't have the talent to be good IN THEIR CONFERENCE. Sorry, but I showed you all the seniors that are prospects to be drafted that rosen played with. Allen's top two wr's were a soph and a jr.Que. is a very good center. Miller is going to be very good - but he needs to be stronger for the NFL. Allen didn't have talent like that. And Wyoming played IOWA - and only ? lost 24-3 they played OREGON, and got stomped 49-13.
they beat Air Force and Hawaii...
Seems to me you and others are refusing to get the point by any means necessary - that it was Allen that went there, and put his team on his shoulders, and led them to the Potato Bowl, where he SHINED. Had he played the whole senior bowl,he would have dominated.
"never been above average?" he has a great arm. That is above average. He has the heart to fight no matter what the odds.That is way above average. For a big guy, he a far more athletic than average.Experts buzzed about his accuracy at the combine. Has he had his pro day yet?
I don't let the media pick my choice. I pick my own choice, with reasons to back it up. IOW's, if there is a solid explanation for his lack of accuracy -- that doesn't mean he won't be a great NFL qb.
Footwork, lack of talent around him, he needs to work on his footwork. Experts and the media noted he already improved significantly by the COMBINE. Darnold apparently hadn't improved - he wouldn't show it at the combine, so I wonder about that.
And the derek anderson and weedon thing? that is LOL because they were very much athletic dorks in the NFL. Allen will be able to be very athletic even at the higher level.
The accuracy thing is easy to ignore when accuracy hawkers don't try to look at the reasons WHY those numbers are low, and why those reasons don't matter. Just my opinion.
Wyoming is not a big school that should be playing schools like IOWA and OREGON.
Before you diss that point, look at the teams Wentz went up against in 2015 -
http://gobison.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=52
Here's another list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_North_Dakota_State_Bison_football_team
Now, look at the competition Wentz faced, and see if Iowa and Oregon are on it.Then come back and tell me that doesn't matter that overall, Allen's accuracy % islow, but he faced far bigger competition than his team talent was able to compete against a few times.
Add in the footwork he needs to work on... and I see a kid who will be a star in the NFL, just not as ready to roll as Wentz was.
I looked at all this stuff before I decided on Allen being my pick as the better choice talent wise. It's a team game.
EDIT: and if the Browns don't pick a qb high, but rather wait til the second round? We'll all LOL at how wrong we were. But I don't see that happening.
He wasn’t even good in high school against guys who likely weren’t even going to play D3 football. If you look at any decent college QB when they were in high school, you can see the difference in ability compared to their peers. He had bad accuracy then and that was against total nobodies. It is ultimately what kept him from getting an offer from any school. He continued to have bad accuracy against nobodies in a weak conference in college.
I also don’t get the hang up on leadership. He has not been a winner at any level. He was above .500 in college is the best that can be said about it.
Nothing about that tells me he will miraculously turn it around when the competition is far superior in the pros.
This isn’t some smear to push Rosen (I have serious medical concerns). I just don’t see what anyone sees in a kid that has never completed more than 56% of his passes at any level. Getting the ball from point A to point B is the job of a QB.
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I get that. But you are missing out on an important point. Your generalization doesn't work.
His high school was not a big hs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Allen_(quarterback)
In a 2017 story on Allen, ESPN journalist Mark Schlabach speculated on why Allen got so little interest out of high school:[1]
At the time, Josh was about 6-foot-3 and 180 pounds. He hadn't attended the elite quarterback camps and wasn't a widely known prospect. His high school team didn't participate in many 7-on-7 camps because Josh and many of his teammates were busy playing baseball and other sports. He was the leading scorer on his basketball team and also pitched on the baseball team, reaching 90 mph with his fastball.
Yahoo! Sports writer Jeff Eisenberg added in another 2017 story,[2]
At a time when many scholarship-hungry families encourage their kids to specialize in one sport or to transfer to the school that will provide the most exposure, the Allens resisted both trends. They spurned overtures from more prominent Central Valley programs after Allen’s breakout junior season and kept him at Firebaugh, living by the family mantra that “you bloom where you’re planted.”
Not only was Allen involved in multiple sports while in high school, he also regularly worked on the family farm and at the restaurant his mother operated in Firebaugh.[2]
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I am telling you, that all relevant facts matter. He didn't go to a big hs, didn't go to the specialized football camps, didn't only play one sport, and he also worked regularly on the family farm and the restaurant his Parents operated. He didn't have that fancy "expert" coaching all the time.
So he isn't as polished - I get it. But to ASSume that he won't make it in the NFL is just nonsense. That's all.
Let's just wait and see how it all works out, shall we? The points I make matter to me, I have no idea why they don't matter to everybody else, and that's the way it is.
Some of us caught hell over advocating for Wentz, too, and he had the high completion percentages, albeit, competition far lower than Wyoming did.
It's more complicated that "der, accuracy numnber - allen sucks" bs.
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interesting stats for people who say if you can't complete passes in college then you can't complete passes in the NFL
ATT COMP COMP % YDS TD INT RATE
Tyrod Taylor VT 865 495 57.2 7017 44 20 137.5
Tyrod Taylor NFL 1271 793 62.4 9056 51 18 91.2
Josh Allen Wyoming 649 365 56.2 5066 44 21 137.7
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interesting stats for people who say if you can't complete passes in college then you can't complete passes in the NFL
ATT COMP COMP % YDS TD INT RATE
Tyrod Taylor VT 865 495 57.2 7017 44 20 137.5
Tyrod Taylor NFL 1271 793 62.4 9056 51 18 91.2
Josh Allen Wyoming 649 365 56.2 5066 44 21 137.7
interesting stats for people who say if you can't complete passes in college then you can't complete passes in the NFL
ATT COMP COMP % YDS TD INT RATE
Tyrod Taylor VT 865 495 57.2 7017 44 20 137.5
Tyrod Taylor NFL 1271 793 62.4 9056 51 18 91.2
Josh Allen Wyoming 649 365 56.2 5066 44 21 137.7
For some reason I don't understand where the "Can't" comes from. You can improve, but what you focus on is what is probable. That type of improvement is simply NOT probable.
That having been said, if you're pimping Josh Allen as the #1 overall pick - you really don't want to be using a player like Tyrod and his numbers.
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LOL. Brock Osweiler scored a 25 on the Wonderlic test. No joke. If Allen scores low, he's off everybody's list.
412 680 60.6 5,082 7.5 33 15 135.0 137 221 1.6 4 The baseline FOR QBS is 20 CaL. CHILL OUT. A few guys have scored below 10. they can't spell cat if you spot them the c and t, and don't know what month is between August and October.
I would take Shaquem Griffin ahead of Allen. Not kidding either.
The baseline FOR QBS is 20 CaL. CHILL OUT. A few guys have scored below 10. they can't spell cat if you spot them the c and t, and don't know what month is between August and October.
The line you said here was said about Terry Bradshaw....and I guess he did OK.
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Kolton Miller measures great, but plays below average. Too much project there for my taste to be a value pick.
Of the UCLA OL I unexpectedly grew to like Quissenberry, their Center.
I don't know anything about Quissenberry as a player for UCLA but I did hear a couple of preseason interviews with him and he's a great interview. Seemed like a really solid guy. Hopefully he's as good a player.
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Kolton Miller measures great, but plays below average. Too much project there for my taste to be a value pick.
Of the UCLA OL I unexpectedly grew to like Quissenberry, their Center.
I don't know anything about Quissenberry as a player for UCLA but I did hear a couple of preseason interviews with him and he's a great interview. Seemed like a really solid guy. Hopefully he's as good a player.
I don't know anything about Quissenberry as a player for UCLA but I did hear a couple of preseason interviews with him and he's a great interview. Seemed like a really solid guy. Hopefully he's as good a player.
Does he have a weird way of hiking the ball......you know, like his namesake did throwing the ball.
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The line you said here was said about Terry Bradshaw....and I guess he did OK.
I know Gip- it's one of the all-time favorite lines. But just because Bradshaw was the exception to the rule doesn't mean anyone should draft QBs with the IQ of a turnip..
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The line you said here was said about Terry Bradshaw....and I guess he did OK.
I know Gip- it's one of the all-time favorite lines. But just because Bradshaw was the exception to the rule doesn't mean anyone should draft QBs with the IQ of a turnip..
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Here's a fun fact...
In 2018 Allen had the 8th highest completion percentage of the QBs in the ten team Mountain West Conference.... and there was a sizeable gap to the #7 ranked QB.
Pass Completion Percentage 1. Kent Myers* • Utah State 62.9 2. Brett Rypien* • Boise State 62.6 3. Marcus McMaryion* • Fresno State 62.1 4. Nick Stevens* • Colorado State 61.9 5. Dru Brown • Hawaii 61.7 6. Ty Gangi • Nevada 61.0 7. Christian Chapman* • San Diego State 59.8 8. Josh Allen* • Wyoming 56.3 9. Montel Aaron • San Jose State 56.0 10. Jordan Love* • Utah State 54.9 "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
so, here's another fun fact:
Wyoming played Iowa. They lost. Iowa had the 5th best offensive line in college football.
It wasn't Josh Allen's fault they lost.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-50-offensive-lines-2017
Here's another fun fact:
They also played Oregon. Oregon was number 16. Again, not Josh Allen's fault they lost.
Wyoming was ranked #50. I reckon Allen raised the level of play around him, bigtime. Like great players do?
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#50!
Really? That's a thing?
lol...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. -
SO, there is 2017. Allen was only 57.5 percent vs IOWA. IOWA is a far, far bigger better team than
Wyoming.68.8 vs little Gardner-Webb.
37.5 percent OUCH against bigtime power OREGON. (9 of 24? not good.)
Against Utah State - though, after tough games, he was 69.2 percent accuracy. A division win for Wyoming.
Boise State - only 44.4 percent. Boise State was 7-1 in their same division.
Look at the results. Then note that Allen was 72.7 percent accuracy vs Air Force.
72.7 percent ? Yep. JOSH ALLEN's highest completion percentage was 72.7 percent. Didn't have to throw a lot, sure.
Josh ROSEN only beat that percentage ONE TIME - vs little Hawaii - same opponent Wyoming played.
That's another fun fact ! LOL
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It’s only a three-man rush but a nice throw and indicative of Allen’s vision and accuracy.
The next Wyoming drive was an absolute masterpiece of quarterbacking. Allen demonstrated a number of elite skills in the face of BYU’s high caliber pass rush and beat the Cougars in about every way you might wish for from your starting quarterback.
On this play BYU brought a Narduzzi-style zone blitz with three deep defenders, two “hot” route rats underneath, and six pass-rushers:
The flare motion by the RB is ideal for threatening that field corner and Allen reads his response quickly before firing a perfect ball to Tanner Gentry in between the deep safety and the conflicted cornerback. He knows pressure is coming (though he has time) but he knows exactly what to look for and easily puts the ball on target.
Shortly after that success, Allen found himself facing third and 20 thanks to sack and he then demonstrated the kind of pocket presence, power, and arm strength that really draws in NFL scouts:
He treats oncoming Corbin Kaufusi, a 6’9” 285 pound monster, as a mere annoyance while firing a perfect strike to the sticks from an off-balance position. He finished the drive with this little number on a third and four:
That kind of improvisation is very difficult for college or pro defenses to handle but it’s made especially lethal by Allen’s running ability and the ease with which he can throw accurate balls down the field while on the move.
The game eventually ended when he took a misguided attempt to throw across his body into BYU’s cover 2 and was picked but there was a lot in this game that portends a very bright future for Allen both at Wyoming and at the next level.
It’s only a three-man rush but a nice throw and indicative of Allen’s vision and accuracy.
The next Wyoming drive was an absolute masterpiece of quarterbacking. Allen demonstrated a number of elite skills in the face of BYU’s high caliber pass rush and beat the Cougars in about every way you might wish for from your starting quarterback.
On this play BYU brought a Narduzzi-style zone blitz with three deep defenders, two “hot” route rats underneath, and six pass-rushers:
The flare motion by the RB is ideal for threatening that field corner and Allen reads his response quickly before firing a perfect ball to Tanner Gentry in between the deep safety and the conflicted cornerback. He knows pressure is coming (though he has time) but he knows exactly what to look for and easily puts the ball on target.
Shortly after that success, Allen found himself facing third and 20 thanks to sack and he then demonstrated the kind of pocket presence, power, and arm strength that really draws in NFL scouts:
He treats oncoming Corbin Kaufusi, a 6’9” 285 pound monster, as a mere annoyance while firing a perfect strike to the sticks from an off-balance position. He finished the drive with this little number on a third and four:
That kind of improvisation is very difficult for college or pro defenses to handle but it’s made especially lethal by Allen’s running ability and the ease with which he can throw accurate balls down the field while on the move.
The game eventually ended when he took a misguided attempt to throw across his body into BYU’s cover 2 and was picked but there was a lot in this game that portends a very bright future for Allen both at Wyoming and at the next level.
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