Analytic Deep Dive on the 2018 RB Class on r/Browns
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Derrius Guice is the stud of his class. that should be our pick at 2.1 period.
Derrius Guice is the stud of his class. that should be our pick at 2.1 period.
And I said a few weeks back that Michel was my dark horse pick. He also has great hands so there's that. That analysis agrees with my take that Barkley is way overrated. I'd take Michel, Guice or Penny any day over him in that order.
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I don't think you can go wrong with penny, guice or Michel. There's a lot of great film on all of them.
I'm not quite pog level of infatuation.... but I've seen Penny enough times to think his style would work well in the NFL. SDSU seems to know how to train and develop /coach RBs. They're doing something right.
I don't think you can go wrong with penny, guice or Michel. There's a lot of great film on all of them.
I'm not quite pog level of infatuation.... but I've seen Penny enough times to think his style would work well in the NFL. SDSU seems to know how to train and develop /coach RBs. They're doing something right.
No one other that a certain someone and his love of a certain Wyoming QB can reach that level of infatuation. That said...I think Penny will be really good in the NFL but I also think that there's a whole lot of guys in this RB class that will be really good which makes it easy to pass on Barley in the first round. There's talent that can be found in a later round.
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I don't think you can go wrong with penny, guice or Michel. There's a lot of great film on all of them.
I'm not quite pog level of infatuation.... but I've seen Penny enough times to think his style would work well in the NFL. SDSU seems to know how to train and develop /coach RBs. They're doing something right.
No one other that a certain someone and his love of a certain Wyoming QB can reach that level of infatuation. That said...I think Penny will be really good in the NFL but I also think that there's a whole lot of guys in this RB class that will be really good which makes it easy to pass on Barley in the first round. There's talent that can be found in a later round.
No one other that a certain someone and his love of a certain Wyoming QB can reach that level of infatuation. That said...I think Penny will be really good in the NFL but I also think that there's a whole lot of guys in this RB class that will be really good which makes it easy to pass on Barley in the first round. There's talent that can be found in a later round.
I love this RB class, this works out well for the Browns having three 2nd rounders. A really good back should fall into our laps.
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What's your thoughts on Ronald Jones of USC, Tour?
I've liked him as a potential replacement for Duke, if he's not signed to an extension.
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I don't think you can go wrong with penny, guice or Michel. There's a lot of great film on all of them.
I'm not quite pog level of infatuation.... but I've seen Penny enough times to think his style would work well in the NFL. SDSU seems to know how to train and develop /coach RBs. They're doing something right.
No one other that a certain someone and his love of a certain Wyoming QB can reach that level of infatuation. That said...I think Penny will be really good in the NFL but I also think that there's a whole lot of guys in this RB class that will be really good which makes it easy to pass on Barley in the first round. There's talent that can be found in a later round.
No one other that a certain someone and his love of a certain Wyoming QB can reach that level of infatuation. That said...I think Penny will be really good in the NFL but I also think that there's a whole lot of guys in this RB class that will be really good which makes it easy to pass on Barley in the first round. There's talent that can be found in a later round.
It's definitely a loaded class.
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Stats and numbers don't tell the whole story.
I like Penny, he reminds me of Cribbs. But the stats don't tell you that Penny faced off against a lot of players that won't make it to the next level, thus his number's reflect that.
Michelle and Chubbs both ran rampart for the same team. Seems like Offensive scheme and great offensive line play both factor into the success of their run game. Georgia was dogging people with that run game- and a pretty good QB as well. The numbers support that.
Before I wrap this up I just have to say that I watched all these guys and went into my evaluations with a 100% non-biased opinion. I didn't have a dog in the fight.
Guice is a tough little guy. I liked him - after watching him I discovered Barkley. When you see something extraordinary it hits you. Their movements are completely different. Watch them side by side- Barkley has the control and the sway-swag that just can't be taught. Guice's moves are more labored, it's like he just knows he isn't going to get past you so he just runs into you... you don't see that with Barkley, he seems to think he can make anybody miss- because he's so talented. When he gets to the next level he's going to find more athletic guys consistently, he'll still have the edge but not by as much. He will probably transition just fine into a more straight line runner, but that ability to go impromptu when things break down is something that you don't want to take away... maybe harness it a bit but as I've heard, "Saquon's a dog, dogs do dog things"....
Anyways, back to Guice, I guess it's just something you have to "see", stats won't show you the art of the moves. I think Guice's ceiling is about Crowell, straight line runner, get what you can, however, just like Saquon, his ability is going to be challenged with some of the most athletic, physical players in the game. Although he's a good player and I'd welcome him as a complementary back to Barkley, same for Penny, but there is just no substitute for the real juice.
Saquon is what I had hoped Richardson to be for us. I still have a bad taste in my mouth as for how all that played out. This for me making up for that. If the draft was a pickup game and I'm picking first- I know who I'm taking. Saquon - Saygone
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Stats and numbers don't tell the whole story.
I like Penny, he reminds me of Cribbs. But the stats don't tell you that Penny faced off against a lot of players that won't make it to the next level, thus his number's reflect that.
Michelle and Chubbs both ran rampart for the same team. Seems like Offensive scheme and great offensive line play both factor into the success of their run game. Georgia was dogging people with that run game- and a pretty good QB as well. The numbers support that.
Before I wrap this up I just have to say that I watched all these guys and went into my evaluations with a 100% non-biased opinion. I didn't have a dog in the fight.
Guice is a tough little guy. I liked him - after watching him I discovered Barkley. When you see something extraordinary it hits you. Their movements are completely different. Watch them side by side- Barkley has the control and the sway-swag that just can't be taught. Guice's moves are more labored, it's like he just knows he isn't going to get past you so he just runs into you... you don't see that with Barkley, he seems to think he can make anybody miss- because he's so talented. When he gets to the next level he's going to find more athletic guys consistently, he'll still have the edge but not by as much. He will probably transition just fine into a more straight line runner, but that ability to go impromptu when things break down is something that you don't want to take away... maybe harness it a bit but as I've heard, "Saquon's a dog, dogs do dog things"....
Anyways, back to Guice, I guess it's just something you have to "see", stats won't show you the art of the moves. I think Guice's ceiling is about Crowell, straight line runner, get what you can, however, just like Saquon, his ability is going to be challenged with some of the most athletic, physical players in the game. Although he's a good player and I'd welcome him as a complementary back to Barkley, same for Penny, but there is just no substitute for the real juice.
Saquon is what I had hoped Richardson to be for us. I still have a bad taste in my mouth as for how all that played out. This for me making up for that. If the draft was a pickup game and I'm picking first- I know who I'm taking. Saquon - Saygone
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What's your thoughts on Ronald Jones of USC, Tour?
I've liked him as a potential replacement for Duke, if he's not signed to an extension.
If you are into this stuff and have not yet visited the thread on reddit, there's an interesting, fledgling effort to meld the RB analysis with Football Outsiders OL analysis.
Here's the link to the FO stuff... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaol
What's your thoughts on Ronald Jones of USC, Tour?
I've liked him as a potential replacement for Duke, if he's not signed to an extension.
Exactly yours... he's a lil bigger, lil faster Duke. That said... we already have a Duke. There will be more...
If we draft an RB this time, I think I'm heading to one of my Day 3 kids, ASU's Ballage or NW's Jackson.
Of course that's in addition to Barky...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
One of you RB experts check out the video highlights on youtube for Chase Edmonds, Fordham and tell us whay you think and who he compares to in this draft.
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OK PoG-watch a real running back against SEC level defenses (plus OU). 7.9 ypc this year, not your measly 4.whatever plus no-shows against his best defenses by Barffley.
And pay attention to some of his runs after first contact too. This is a RB!
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Michel, Guice, Penny, or (after that RB analysis) Freeman. Any one of those guys to share the load with Hyde and Duke would be cool by me.
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