What's your worst case scenario?
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I don't get the L. Jackson hate. He's a better passer than Allen. He has a ton of potential and he would get atleast a free year to sit and learn behind tyrod.
I know using 1 or 4 isn't ideal but if we trade back a little or take him at 33 then how that is a bad thing. He is a better prospect than Watson last year and I'm sure you guys wish we had that pick back. For the record I wasn't a fan of Watson either
I don't get the L. Jackson hate. He's a better passer than Allen. He has a ton of potential and he would get atleast a free year to sit and learn behind tyrod.
I know using 1 or 4 isn't ideal but if we trade back a little or take him at 33 then how that is a bad thing. He is a better prospect than Watson last year and I'm sure you guys wish we had that pick back. For the record I wasn't a fan of Watson either
No and no.
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Lamar is a bigger, stronger, more athletic prospect. He needs to develop as a passer but his tools are better. Lamar can simply make plays no one else can. He was Louisvilles offense and I think he forced plays because the running game was atrocious.
Watson was on a superstar team throwing to multiple NFL receivers. He did better in the NFL than I thought he would because I saw him as a system guy. Most mocks had Watson as a 2nd or 3rd round prospect. I have rarely seen Jackson projected out of the 1st
I like Jackson and agree that he gets zero respect as a qb. He runs a fairly complicated offense, has shown improvement every season. With the right team, he could be awesome. Such a phenomenal athlete, it's not like he can't improve.
That said, watson showed time and time again he was clutch when it mattered most. The stats in the two finals were amazing, and I don't think many QB's could've taken the hits he took and rallied them back against that defense. Watson just has "it"
I like Jackson and agree that he gets zero respect as a qb. He runs a fairly complicated offense, has shown improvement every season. With the right team, he could be awesome. Such a phenomenal athlete, it's not like he can't improve.
That said, watson showed time and time again he was clutch when it mattered most. The stats in the two finals were amazing, and I don't think many QB's could've taken the hits he took and rallied them back against that defense. Watson just has "it"
The Cardinal offense is far from complex.
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I like Jackson and agree that he gets zero respect as a qb. He runs a fairly complicated offense, has shown improvement every season. With the right team, he could be awesome. Such a phenomenal athlete, it's not like he can't improve.
That said, watson showed time and time again he was clutch when it mattered most. The stats in the two finals were amazing, and I don't think many QB's could've taken the hits he took and rallied them back against that defense. Watson just has "it"
The Cardinal offense is far from complex.
The Cardinal offense is far from complex.
I will admit there was alot of times it felt like the offensive plan was to just let Lamar do his thing, but Petrino is a pro style coach. I'm sure there are some fairly complex stuff in that offense.
You are quickly bordering on POG territoryYou are quickly bordering on POG territory
I've made a case for and against all of the QB prospects. That's just mean.
Darnold- was my pick until I noticed he tends to get nervous in the pocket when the pressure is on. Turn over concerns.
Rosen- most pro ready but I don't like QBs with a history of injuries. Plus character issues
Mayfeild- Deshaun Watson 2.0 just with a slight case of jersey shoreitis
I think with a year or 2 to develop I think Lamar has the highest upside also the biggest chance to bust. It's a different take.
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That we trade down is my worst case.
Use both 1 and 4, then trade up into the 1st for the best RB barring the pick of Barkley as one of those first two.
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That we trade down is my worst case.
Use both 1 and 4, then trade up into the 1st for the best RB barring the pick of Barkley as one of those first two.
That we trade down is my worst case.
Use both 1 and 4, then trade up into the 1st for the best RB barring the pick of Barkley as one of those first two.
Mine too. We need to use our 1st and 2nd round picks for ourselves. Trade lower round picks, that's fine.
Another nightmare would be to lose 5-6 winnable games because of idiot HC Hueless Jackass, the worst NFL HC of all time.
Hueless needs 10 wins in his next 23 games or else he breaks Dave Shula's HC 4.5 year record of losing and futility (HJ is 9-39 incl Raiders, DS was 19-52 w/Cincy).
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Allen and Barkley in any order but the combination of a big arm and inaccurate QB (which we just had and traded away to Green Bay) and a running back, while he might be great, recent history has proven that a top notch RB can be found in a later round than the top of round 1.
I hope both have nice long prosperous careers in the NFC.
And yes, the constant humping of these two prospects ( who have done nothing in the NFL) has made me have a strong dislike for both players.
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NFL Net this morning were comparing Sony Michel to Alvin Kamara from last year's draft. And they talked about him being the 3rd leading rusher in Georgia history which of course includes Hershel and Gurley among many other greats. And that is running behind Chubb part of that time. They all kept saying how impressive the 7.9 ypc in the SEC.
My dark horse for this year is coming into the light the closer we get to this draft.
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I don't get the L. Jackson hate. He's a better passer than Allen. He has a ton of potential and he would get atleast a free year to sit and learn behind tyrod.
I know using 1 or 4 isn't ideal but if we trade back a little or take him at 33 then how that is a bad thing. He is a better prospect than Watson last year and I'm sure you guys wish we had that pick back. For the record I wasn't a fan of Watson either
I don't get the L. Jackson hate. He's a better passer than Allen. He has a ton of potential and he would get atleast a free year to sit and learn behind tyrod.
I know using 1 or 4 isn't ideal but if we trade back a little or take him at 33 then how that is a bad thing. He is a better prospect than Watson last year and I'm sure you guys wish we had that pick back. For the record I wasn't a fan of Watson either
Big difference. If we had picked him he'd be in a bed at University Hospitals instead of SMU or wherever.
WSS
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- Missing the Draft because my in-laws are in town...
- A QB not named Rosen...
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worst case scenario: drafting kickers with the #1 and #4 pick. Alternative worst case: trading out of the top spots and drafting the leftover QB with pick #22.
Best case scenario? For me, Mayfield/Fitzpatrick but I am OK with Darnold at #1. Rosen is the best QB but I can't see him staying healthy on the Browns. #4 there are lots of great players to choose from, I say Fitzpatrick because of the need but if Chubb is still there he'd be hard to pass up on, and I wouldn't mind Saquon Barkley just to see Po's reaction. Exciting draft for sure, when was the last time the Browns had 2 picks within the top 5?
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Certainly not at number one but almost. Who wouldn't like to have Ray Guy?
Worst case would be a trade down and pick up a quarterback in the second or third.
I'm okay with Sam Darnold at number 1 but my gut says Rosen and my heart says Mayfield.
After that I'm okay with Fitzpatrick or Barkley. He actually does have Bark right there in his name.
WSS
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We have our QB for next 2 yrs at least, and we have plenty of picks from R2 on. Thus no need for #1 or #4 this year. Trade both of them for a plethora of only #1 picks: 3 this year, 2 more in 2019, and 2 more in 2020. That would give us 3 R1 in each of the next 3 drafts. Should be easy to find our next QB with one of those, even if we have to use a lower pick or two to move up at some time in next couple years.
So we start by trading #4 to Bills, assuring them Mayfield or Allen at worst, for their 12/22 plus their 2019 first. Then offer Broncos our #1 for their #5 this year, along with their 1st in following 2 years. And they get their pick of QBs this year. If Broncos aren't interested, then we trade our #4 with any other team that still needs a QB, worst case being Cardinals at 15, or Dolphins at 11.
So as long as one of the trades ends up being with Bills, then Browns end up with:
2018 - 5, 12, 22
2019 - 3 R1 picks
2020 - 2 R1 picks
That would be trading 2 first rounders for 6 first rounders.
* The question we have to ask ourselves is: Would we be willing to sacrifice 5 first round draft picks in exchange for picking our 'future' QB in the coming draft? Would any team give up that much for a "possible" franchise QB?
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NFL Net this morning were comparing Sony Michel to Alvin Kamara from last year's draft. And they talked about him being the 3rd leading rusher in Georgia history which of course includes Hershel and Gurley among many other greats. And that is running behind Chubb part of that time. They all kept saying how impressive the 7.9 ypc in the SEC.
My dark horse for this year is coming into the light the closer we get to this draft.
NFL Net this morning were comparing Sony Michel to Alvin Kamara from last year's draft. And they talked about him being the 3rd leading rusher in Georgia history which of course includes Hershel and Gurley among many other greats. And that is running behind Chubb part of that time. They all kept saying how impressive the 7.9 ypc in the SEC.
My dark horse for this year is coming into the light the closer we get to this draft.
Michel’s not 3rd or anywhere close dude.
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NFL Net this morning were comparing Sony Michel to Alvin Kamara from last year's draft. And they talked about him being the 3rd leading rusher in Georgia history which of course includes Hershel and Gurley among many other greats. And that is running behind Chubb part of that time. They all kept saying how impressive the 7.9 ypc in the SEC.
My dark horse for this year is coming into the light the closer we get to this draft.
Michel’s not 3rd or anywhere close dude.
Michel’s not 3rd or anywhere close dude.
Well go argue that with the NFL Network. About the 5:20 mark
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We have our QB for next 2 yrs at least, and we have plenty of picks from R2 on. Thus no need for #1 or #4 this year. Trade both of them for a plethora of only #1 picks: 3 this year, 2 more in 2019, and 2 more in 2020. That would give us 3 R1 in each of the next 3 drafts. Should be easy to find our next QB with one of those, even if we have to use a lower pick or two to move up at some time in next couple years.
So we start by trading #4 to Bills, assuring them Mayfield or Allen at worst, for their 12/22 plus their 2019 first. Then offer Broncos our #1 for their #5 this year, along with their 1st in following 2 years. And they get their pick of QBs this year. If Broncos aren't interested, then we trade our #4 with any other team that still needs a QB, worst case being Cardinals at 15, or Dolphins at 11.
So as long as one of the trades ends up being with Bills, then Browns end up with:
2018 - 5, 12, 22
2019 - 3 R1 picks
2020 - 2 R1 picks
That would be trading 2 first rounders for 6 first rounders.
* The question we have to ask ourselves is: Would we be willing to sacrifice 5 first round draft picks in exchange for picking our 'future' QB in the coming draft? Would any team give up that much for a "possible" franchise QB?
We have our QB for next 2 yrs at least, and we have plenty of picks from R2 on. Thus no need for #1 or #4 this year. Trade both of them for a plethora of only #1 picks: 3 this year, 2 more in 2019, and 2 more in 2020. That would give us 3 R1 in each of the next 3 drafts. Should be easy to find our next QB with one of those, even if we have to use a lower pick or two to move up at some time in next couple years.
So we start by trading #4 to Bills, assuring them Mayfield or Allen at worst, for their 12/22 plus their 2019 first. Then offer Broncos our #1 for their #5 this year, along with their 1st in following 2 years. And they get their pick of QBs this year. If Broncos aren't interested, then we trade our #4 with any other team that still needs a QB, worst case being Cardinals at 15, or Dolphins at 11.
So as long as one of the trades ends up being with Bills, then Browns end up with:
2018 - 5, 12, 22
2019 - 3 R1 picks
2020 - 2 R1 picks
That would be trading 2 first rounders for 6 first rounders.
* The question we have to ask ourselves is: Would we be willing to sacrifice 5 first round draft picks in exchange for picking our 'future' QB in the coming draft? Would any team give up that much for a "possible" franchise QB?
I take back what I said earlier: this is my worst case scenario.
At some point we have to try to win the games and not draft picks.
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Michel’s not 3rd or anywhere close dude.
Well go argue that with the NFL Network. About the 5:20 mark
Well go argue that with the NFL Network. About the 5:20 mark
- 5,259 – Herschel Walker, 1980-82 (SEC Record)
- 3,424 – Nick Chubb, 2014-
- 3,285 – Todd Gurley, 2012-14
- 3,232 – Garrison Hearst, 1990-92
- 3,017 – Lars Tate, 1984-87
- 2,734 – Knowshon Moreno, 2007-08
- 2,668 – Rodney Hampton, 1987-89
- 2,646 – Thomas Brown, 2004-07
- 2,581 – Kevin McLee, 1975-77
- 2,411 – Sony Michel, 2014-
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Well go argue that with the NFL Network. About the 5:20 mark
- 5,259 – Herschel Walker, 1980-82 (SEC Record)
- 3,424 – Nick Chubb, 2014-
- 3,285 – Todd Gurley, 2012-14
- 3,232 – Garrison Hearst, 1990-92
- 3,017 – Lars Tate, 1984-87
- 2,734 – Knowshon Moreno, 2007-08
- 2,668 – Rodney Hampton, 1987-89
- 2,646 – Thomas Brown, 2004-07
- 2,581 – Kevin McLee, 1975-77
- 2,411 – Sony Michel, 2014-
- 5,259 – Herschel Walker, 1980-82 (SEC Record)
- 3,424 – Nick Chubb, 2014-
- 3,285 – Todd Gurley, 2012-14
- 3,232 – Garrison Hearst, 1990-92
- 3,017 – Lars Tate, 1984-87
- 2,734 – Knowshon Moreno, 2007-08
- 2,668 – Rodney Hampton, 1987-89
- 2,646 – Thomas Brown, 2004-07
- 2,581 – Kevin McLee, 1975-77
- 2,411 – Sony Michel, 2014-
She got it wrong then. Shame on Kay. However having watched both Chubb and Michel up against the same defenses several times this year, Sony is the better back. That is reflected in just about every recent mock draft I've seen. Her comparison to Kamara is a good one. I thought he was a steal last year and that has proved out so far.
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Quality over Quantity..getting young talent reps last season must pay off in upcoming.We still sit with 9 picks.Still 5 in top 64.We sit with no 3rd round picks adding a much needed Tyrod..bridge or bridge-less? One 4th 4.14(114). One 5th,5.13(150).Two 6th Rounds 6.1(175) & 6.31(205). Pick 33 or 35 should turn into another 1st rounder. With talent getting pushed down the board, highly due to QB reaching madness..The 4th,5th & Two 6ths should get us a pair of darts landing back up into 3rd round or 4th..Your board is set-up with talent up top..Use it & go get it, regardless of position.
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