Darnold at #1?
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Tour I noticed that in DJ's top 10 there is no Dak Prescott, so even someone as good as he normally is can miss the pick.
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Seems to be the popular take, but that's never stopped me before...
As I wrote in another reply, I'm trying to get there, to accept Sam as the pick, but I'm having issues... and Sam's Pro Day did not help me. The commentary was so dissociated from the visual it felt like propaganda.
His 5 and 7-step drop footwork was a mess... it was slow, he was hopping into his sets and hitched resets. I suspected this was why he did not throw at the Combine and it was clear to me that his retooled feet were still not ready for display.
The times he looked good were in his 3-step drops from "the gun" and the designed rollouts... where he was doing what he always has done. His rollouts seemed to be the only throws he really "cut loose".
And the rain? No effect if you believed the commentary... I guess my eyes lie. Yes, there were some good, no effect throws, but there were more missing their target that there were before the rains came. And even before the rain when he was dropping from "under center", his throws were off.
I was making progress before the goddamn pro day...
I'm not a QB expert, but it did look like his feet were bouncing around a lot when he was setting up. That should be fixable.
I thought most of his throws were really accurate, rain or not. did see a little more wobble when the deluge started. When they showed the old footage of Bridge-water's pro day where he was missing guys by 5 yards, no comparison.
Can we schedule a blizzard in Laramie Friday to even things out? I'll be tuning in...
I'm not a QB expert, but it did look like his feet were bouncing around a lot when he was setting up. That should be fixable.
I thought most of his throws were really accurate, rain or not. did see a little more wobble when the deluge started. When they showed the old footage of Bridge-water's pro day where he was missing guys by 5 yards, no comparison.
In a scripted Pro Day with familiar receivers there should be few misses... and I'm not talking about the ball hitting the ground. Even before the rain I often saw WRs having to adjust their speed or angle... that's a "miss". I might be being overly critical here tho as I heard nothing about how much wind there was... which any QB will tell you is a much bigger factor than rain.
How quiet a QB's feet are varies... for some, even some good ones, bouncing helps their rhythm and movement, but hopping when you land at the end of a drop or hopping to reset when you go from a middle primary to a swingpass checkdown? Bad juju there.... FIxable? Maybe, but given the near absence of him taking snaps under center, it would seem to me that he's just learned how to do it wrong... and that's troubling.
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I'm not a QB expert, but it did look like his feet were bouncing around a lot when he was setting up. That should be fixable.
I thought most of his throws were really accurate, rain or not. did see a little more wobble when the deluge started. When they showed the old footage of Bridge-water's pro day where he was missing guys by 5 yards, no comparison.
In a scripted Pro Day with familiar receivers there should be few misses... and I'm not talking about the ball hitting the ground. Even before the rain I often saw WRs having to adjust their speed or angle... that's a "miss". I might be being overly critical here tho as I heard nothing about how much wind there was... which any QB will tell you is a much bigger factor than rain.
How quiet a QB's feet are varies... for some, even some good ones, bouncing helps their rhythm and movement, but hopping when you land at the end of a drop or hopping to reset when you go from a middle primary to a swingpass checkdown? Bad juju there.... FIxable? Maybe, but given the near absence of him taking snaps under center, it would seem to me that he's just learned how to do it wrong... and that's troubling.
In a scripted Pro Day with familiar receivers there should be few misses... and I'm not talking about the ball hitting the ground. Even before the rain I often saw WRs having to adjust their speed or angle... that's a "miss". I might be being overly critical here tho as I heard nothing about how much wind there was... which any QB will tell you is a much bigger factor than rain.
How quiet a QB's feet are varies... for some, even some good ones, bouncing helps their rhythm and movement, but hopping when you land at the end of a drop or hopping to reset when you go from a middle primary to a swingpass checkdown? Bad juju there.... FIxable? Maybe, but given the near absence of him taking snaps under center, it would seem to me that he's just learned how to do it wrong... and that's troubling.
Sounds like a boxer shuffling his feet in the pocket.
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I'm not a QB expert, but it did look like his feet were bouncing around a lot when he was setting up. That should be fixable.
I thought most of his throws were really accurate, rain or not. did see a little more wobble when the deluge started. When they showed the old footage of Bridge-water's pro day where he was missing guys by 5 yards, no comparison.
In a scripted Pro Day with familiar receivers there should be few misses... and I'm not talking about the ball hitting the ground. Even before the rain I often saw WRs having to adjust their speed or angle... that's a "miss". I might be being overly critical here tho as I heard nothing about how much wind there was... which any QB will tell you is a much bigger factor than rain.
How quiet a QB's feet are varies... for some, even some good ones, bouncing helps their rhythm and movement, but hopping when you land at the end of a drop or hopping to reset when you go from a middle primary to a swingpass checkdown? Bad juju there.... FIxable? Maybe, but given the near absence of him taking snaps under center, it would seem to me that he's just learned how to do it wrong... and that's troubling.
In a scripted Pro Day with familiar receivers there should be few misses... and I'm not talking about the ball hitting the ground. Even before the rain I often saw WRs having to adjust their speed or angle... that's a "miss". I might be being overly critical here tho as I heard nothing about how much wind there was... which any QB will tell you is a much bigger factor than rain.
How quiet a QB's feet are varies... for some, even some good ones, bouncing helps their rhythm and movement, but hopping when you land at the end of a drop or hopping to reset when you go from a middle primary to a swingpass checkdown? Bad juju there.... FIxable? Maybe, but given the near absence of him taking snaps under center, it would seem to me that he's just learned how to do it wrong... and that's troubling.
Go check on who he threw to at the pro day.
He only had one reciever available. Stephen Mitchell jr. Who is projected as a late round/fa pickup at best. His #1 target Deontay Barnett tore his hamstrings and did not catch. He had a former SC basketball player trying out, 70% Ronald Jones, who couldn't run full speed, Travis Wilson who used to be the QB for Utah and walk-on players graduating. He did not have his main guy to throw to at the pro day. I am surprised not many people talked about the fact that he only had one true receiver that day.
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Scripted pro day doesn’t matter who the receivers were , they spent days preparing for this workout so they had plenty of time to practice together . Darnold should have stayed in school 1 more year . If Allen has improved his foot work to fix accuracy issues then 1 year learning from Todd Haley will be the way to go. If Allen performs better than Darnold at his pro day the Browns will have a tough decision to make.
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I am solidly in the best QB at #1 and Barkley at #4 camp. We are to legit to quit after that.
I'm right there with you on this except for the order... Barkley 1 - QB 4.
Once you've taken Barkley off the board the Giants will be more willing to trade back to 4, knowing they can still get a good QB to back up Eli there or add the G Nelson at less a premium at #4. But, in order for NY to switch with the Browns we'll have to take Barkley out of the equation.
I'm right there with you on this except for the order... Barkley 1 - QB 4.
Once you've taken Barkley off the board the Giants will be more willing to trade back to 4, knowing they can still get a good QB to back up Eli there or add the G Nelson at less a premium at #4. But, in order for NY to switch with the Browns we'll have to take Barkley out of the equation.
The giants aren’t drafting Barkley. Taking a RB that high is stupid, but passing up a draft package like the one the Jets offered (assuming they tried to move up to 2) to draft a RB is pure 100%, uncut Retardation.
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In a scripted Pro Day with familiar receivers there should be few misses... and I'm not talking about the ball hitting the ground. Even before the rain I often saw WRs having to adjust their speed or angle... that's a "miss". I might be being overly critical here tho as I heard nothing about how much wind there was... which any QB will tell you is a much bigger factor than rain.
How quiet a QB's feet are varies... for some, even some good ones, bouncing helps their rhythm and movement, but hopping when you land at the end of a drop or hopping to reset when you go from a middle primary to a swingpass checkdown? Bad juju there.... FIxable? Maybe, but given the near absence of him taking snaps under center, it would seem to me that he's just learned how to do it wrong... and that's troubling.
Go check on who he threw to at the pro day.
He only had one reciever available. Stephen Mitchell jr. Who is projected as a late round/fa pickup at best. His #1 target Deontay Barnett tore his hamstrings and did not catch. He had a former SC basketball player trying out, 70% Ronald Jones, who couldn't run full speed, Travis Wilson who used to be the QB for Utah and walk-on players graduating. He did not have his main guy to throw to at the pro day. I am surprised not many people talked about the fact that he only had one true receiver that day.
Go check on who he threw to at the pro day.
He only had one reciever available. Stephen Mitchell jr. Who is projected as a late round/fa pickup at best. His #1 target Deontay Barnett tore his hamstrings and did not catch. He had a former SC basketball player trying out, 70% Ronald Jones, who couldn't run full speed, Travis Wilson who used to be the QB for Utah and walk-on players graduating. He did not have his main guy to throw to at the pro day. I am surprised not many people talked about the fact that he only had one true receiver that day.
Really wish he'd thrown at the combine to show how he looked side by side with all the others. To see how he looked with different WR who may or may not run great routes would've been nice.
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I'm right there with you on this except for the order... Barkley 1 - QB 4.
Once you've taken Barkley off the board the Giants will be more willing to trade back to 4, knowing they can still get a good QB to back up Eli there or add the G Nelson at less a premium at #4. But, in order for NY to switch with the Browns we'll have to take Barkley out of the equation.
The giants aren’t drafting Barkley. Taking a RB that high is stupid, but passing up a draft package like the one the Jets offered (assuming they tried to move up to 2) to draft a RB is pure 100%, uncut Retardation.
The giants aren’t drafting Barkley. Taking a RB that high is stupid, but passing up a draft package like the one the Jets offered (assuming they tried to move up to 2) to draft a RB is pure 100%, uncut Retardation.
Unless they believe that they have a QB of the future in Davis Webb, and that Eli could play for 3 or so more years, and that with Eli and OBJ back and a better o line, they're just a RB away from a really good offense and a contending team.
I could see it happening.
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What's the point of Darnold staying in school another year to "improve", he will receive more detailed and persistent coaching at the NFL level
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What's the point of Darnold staying in school another year to "improve", he will receive more detailed and persistent coaching at the NFL level
What's the point of Darnold staying in school another year to "improve", he will receive more detailed and persistent coaching at the NFL level
Without running the risk of a career-ending injury.
WSS
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In a scripted Pro Day with familiar receivers there should be few misses... and I'm not talking about the ball hitting the ground. Even before the rain I often saw WRs having to adjust their speed or angle... that's a "miss". I might be being overly critical here tho as I heard nothing about how much wind there was... which any QB will tell you is a much bigger factor than rain.
How quiet a QB's feet are varies... for some, even some good ones, bouncing helps their rhythm and movement, but hopping when you land at the end of a drop or hopping to reset when you go from a middle primary to a swingpass checkdown? Bad juju there.... FIxable? Maybe, but given the near absence of him taking snaps under center, it would seem to me that he's just learned how to do it wrong... and that's troubling.
Go check on who he threw to at the pro day.
He only had one reciever available. Stephen Mitchell jr. Who is projected as a late round/fa pickup at best. His #1 target Deontay Barnett tore his hamstrings and did not catch. He had a former SC basketball player trying out, 70% Ronald Jones, who couldn't run full speed, Travis Wilson who used to be the QB for Utah and walk-on players graduating. He did not have his main guy to throw to at the pro day. I am surprised not many people talked about the fact that he only had one true receiver that day.
Go check on who he threw to at the pro day.
He only had one reciever available. Stephen Mitchell jr. Who is projected as a late round/fa pickup at best. His #1 target Deontay Barnett tore his hamstrings and did not catch. He had a former SC basketball player trying out, 70% Ronald Jones, who couldn't run full speed, Travis Wilson who used to be the QB for Utah and walk-on players graduating. He did not have his main guy to throw to at the pro day. I am surprised not many people talked about the fact that he only had one true receiver that day.
So USC had only one good WR in 2018? Where are all the guys who love them some Darnold?
Really wish he'd thrown at the combine to show how he looked side by side with all the others. To see how he looked with different WR who may or may not run great routes would've been nice.
Everything I saw yesterday says that was a comparison Sam wanted no part of...
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I think everyone is crazy who thinks Darnold should go #1. There's no way to satisfactorily explain his turnovers and why they'd somehow get better. He throws into double and triple coverage ALL OF THE TIME. He's a "playmaker" at heart, which means he holds onto the ball too long, doesn't check down fast enough, and will take too many hits. The easy pick would be Rosen, but he has injury concerns, which removes him from the equation (shoulder + concussions = no, no, no, no). That leaves Baker Mayfield. He's perfect for us, and I'll never forgive our team for screwing this up if they take somebody else.
If we take Josh Allen I'm officially done.
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Rosen's injuries are blown way out of proportion.
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Go check on who he threw to at the pro day.
He only had one reciever available. Stephen Mitchell jr. Who is projected as a late round/fa pickup at best. His #1 target Deontay Barnett tore his hamstrings and did not catch. He had a former SC basketball player trying out, 70% Ronald Jones, who couldn't run full speed, Travis Wilson who used to be the QB for Utah and walk-on players graduating. He did not have his main guy to throw to at the pro day. I am surprised not many people talked about the fact that he only had one true receiver that day.
So USC had only one good WR in 2018? Where are all the guys who love them some Darnold?
Really wish he'd thrown at the combine to show how he looked side by side with all the others. To see how he looked with different WR who may or may not run great routes would've been nice.
Everything I saw yesterday says that was a comparison Sam wanted no part of...
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D'arnold isn't near as good as Rosen or even Mayfield. I'm not sold on this one bit. But if we pick him, i'll for damn sure pull for him. He might be a better Prospect but that doesn't always translate to being a better NFL QB. See Blake Bortles.
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Rosen's injuries are blown way out of proportion.
Rosen's injuries are blown way out of proportion.
I read the article. You just can't poo-poo concussions like that guy did. They leave you more prone to the next one. He's not going to get hit in the NFL? Dream on. The other injuries you can write off. With Rosen's background- you can almost bet he suffers a few more concussions in the NFL- he'll prematurely call it a career before his brain gets permanently scrambled.
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D'arnold isn't near as good as Rosen or even Mayfield. I'm not sold on this one bit. But if we pick him, i'll for damn sure pull for him. He might be a better Prospect but that doesn't always translate to being a better NFL QB. See Blake Bortles.
D'arnold isn't near as good as Rosen or even Mayfield. I'm not sold on this one bit. But if we pick him, i'll for damn sure pull for him. He might be a better Prospect but that doesn't always translate to being a better NFL QB. See Blake Bortles.
I'll trust Dorsey & Company to make the call on the qb. As Josh Allen said after his pro day- their jobs depend on making the right choice. Does not apply to us fans.
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Rosen's injuries are blown way out of proportion.
I read the article. You just can't poo-poo concussions like that guy did. They leave you more prone to the next one. He's not going to get hit in the NFL? Dream on. The other injuries you can write off. With Rosen's background- you can almost bet he suffers a few more concussions in the NFL- he'll prematurely call it a career before his brain gets permanently scrambled.
I read the article. You just can't poo-poo concussions like that guy did. They leave you more prone to the next one. He's not going to get hit in the NFL? Dream on. The other injuries you can write off. With Rosen's background- you can almost bet he suffers a few more concussions in the NFL- he'll prematurely call it a career before his brain gets permanently scrambled.
I'm sure his medicals will tell teams what they need to know.
Damn shame they didn't have any type of line or running game.
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Rosen's injuries are blown way out of proportion.
I read the article. You just can't poo-poo concussions like that guy did. They leave you more prone to the next one. He's not going to get hit in the NFL? Dream on. The other injuries you can write off. With Rosen's background- you can almost bet he suffers a few more concussions in the NFL- he'll prematurely call it a career before his brain gets permanently scrambled.
- I read the article. You just can't poo-poo concussions like that guy did. They leave you more prone to the next one.
- He's not going to get hit in the NFL? Dream on. The other injuries you can write off.
- With Rosen's background- you can almost bet he suffers a few more concussions in the NFL- he'll prematurely call it a career before his brain gets permanently scrambled.
- References?
- The point of the article is that hits can cause concussions. So what in you view makes Rosen more likely to be hit as a Pro?
- So basically you want a kid who is willing to go punchdrunk? It may happen, but to use this as a criteria??? Football is a sport of collisions. If you are in enough collisions, then sooner or later you will be concussed.
I've had 4... earned everyone of them except the one that knocked me out cold. That one I was sitting stopped at a traffic light when a drunk doing 55 tried to put the rear bumper of my '76 Chevy Monza into my rear seat.
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