From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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or Mayfield. I would be a bigger Darnold fan, but...all those fumbles , ints,,, I just don't get it.
or Mayfield. I would be a bigger Darnold fan, but...all those fumbles , ints,,, I just don't get it.
Well in the spirit of cooperation I can share the mantra I have begun to repeat... Despite all his obvious flaws, Darnold managed to be as successful as nay QB over 6'2...
Ball security is an added concern, but that's largely a two-hands on the ball thing. Some signs at his pro day he's been focusing on that and ala Kizer when he starts his motion from a position with two hands on the ball, then his throwing path tightens up. Still not as ingrained as it became with Kizer, however.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This is from Mary K. so take it with a grain of salt, but...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html
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or Mayfield. I would be a bigger Darnold fan, but...all those fumbles , ints,,, I just don't get it.
Well in the spirit of cooperation I can share the mantra I have begun to repeat... Despite all his obvious flaws, Darnold managed to be as successful as nay QB over 6'2...
Ball security is an added concern, but that's largely a two-hands on the ball thing. Some signs at his pro day he's been focusing on that and ala Kizer when he starts his motion from a position with two hands on the ball, then his throwing path tightens up. Still not as ingrained as it became with Kizer, however.
Well in the spirit of cooperation I can share the mantra I have begun to repeat... Despite all his obvious flaws, Darnold managed to be as successful as nay QB over 6'2...
Ball security is an added concern, but that's largely a two-hands on the ball thing. Some signs at his pro day he's been focusing on that and ala Kizer when he starts his motion from a position with two hands on the ball, then his throwing path tightens up. Still not as ingrained as it became with Kizer, however.
If I recall correctly, it was one of the problems with Wilson coming from college. There was a Gruden camp where he told (IDK if it was Kizer or who) that he had to become a two-hand monster.
Among the flaws a college QB can bring to the NFL, it is the last one that concerns me.
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This is from Mary K. so take it with a grain of salt, but...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html
This is from Mary K. so take it with a grain of salt, but...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html
as long as the quotes are from Palmer, I can't wait til I get a chance to watch Allen's pro day.
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This is from Mary K. so take it with a grain of salt, but...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html
as long as the quotes are from Palmer, I can't wait til I get a chance to watch Allen's pro day.
as long as the quotes are from Palmer, I can't wait til I get a chance to watch Allen's pro day.
Make sure to have paper towels ready.
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Speaking of paper towels...
Jenna Jameson Weighs in on Cleveland Browns' Draft Strategy, Prefers QB With Biggest Hands
Last week, Bryan Curtis wrote an excellent piece for The Ringer on the proliferation of NFL Draft gurus. One name he neglected to mention, though, is adult film actress Jenna Jameson, who, like Kevin Costner in Draft Day, recently got into character as pretend general manager of the Cleveland Browns.
When asked how she’d navigate the first and fourth picks in the upcoming draft, Jameson wasted no time identifying her preferred quarterback of the future. And he has a big arm...
Josh Allen
— Jenna Jameson (@jennajameson) March 22, 2018
Jameson only named one player, so it’s unclear what she’d like to see Cleveland do with the No. 4 selection. Using two picks for one guy seems like very poor work, even by Browns standards.
The most amusing thing about this little non-story is the sheer volume of dudes earnestly debating both draft strategy and Allen’s quarterbacking ability at the next level in Jameson’s replies. It’d be above-average absurdist art if done intentionally.
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Well, she's a pornstar.
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Well in the spirit of cooperation I can share the mantra I have begun to repeat... Despite all his obvious flaws, Darnold managed to be as successful as nay QB over 6'2...
Ball security is an added concern, but that's largely a two-hands on the ball thing. Some signs at his pro day he's been focusing on that and ala Kizer when he starts his motion from a position with two hands on the ball, then his throwing path tightens up. Still not as ingrained as it became with Kizer, however.
If I recall correctly, it was one of the problems with Wilson coming from college. There was a Gruden camp where he told (IDK if it was Kizer or who) that he had to become a two-hand monster.
Among the flaws a college QB can bring to the NFL, it is the last one that concerns me.
If I recall correctly, it was one of the problems with Wilson coming from college. There was a Gruden camp where he told (IDK if it was Kizer or who) that he had to become a two-hand monster.
Among the flaws a college QB can bring to the NFL, it is the last one that concerns me.
Well Wilson fumbled 14 times last season. Kizer? Nine times... Wilson takes about 40 sacks a year. Kizer? 38. So Wilson doesn't seem to be all that fixed.
It's one thing to practice dropping and preparing to pass with two hands on the ball... same for rolling out.That can be ingrained, can made routine. It's quite another in game to keep two hands on when pressure shows, rushers are grabbing at you and it's time to get on the move. Kizer's two hand training went right out the window as soon as he began to run.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
All coaches and Haslam at his pro day today
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If I recall correctly, it was one of the problems with Wilson coming from college. There was a Gruden camp where he told (IDK if it was Kizer or who) that he had to become a two-hand monster.
Among the flaws a college QB can bring to the NFL, it is the last one that concerns me.
Well Wilson fumbled 14 times last season. Kizer? Nine times... Wilson takes about 40 sacks a year. Kizer? 38. So Wilson doesn't seem to be all that fixed.
It's one thing to practice dropping and preparing to pass with two hands on the ball... same for rolling out.That can be ingrained, can made routine. It's quite another in game to keep two hands on when pressure shows, rushers are grabbing at you and it's time to get on the move. Kizer's two hand training went right out the window as soon as he began to run.
Well Wilson fumbled 14 times last season. Kizer? Nine times... Wilson takes about 40 sacks a year. Kizer? 38. So Wilson doesn't seem to be all that fixed.
It's one thing to practice dropping and preparing to pass with two hands on the ball... same for rolling out.That can be ingrained, can made routine. It's quite another in game to keep two hands on when pressure shows, rushers are grabbing at you and it's time to get on the move. Kizer's two hand training went right out the window as soon as he began to run.
Well, for me it's similar to learning 'to throw it away'. Also, Russel has no Oline, so if he decided to have both hands on the ball and don't take any risks, his production would be a lot worse. He needs to keep the play alive and he takes many risks, but I understand what you say. In fact, I've heard people wondering what if Rusell had again a good Oline, if he would be able to work again as a pocket passer.
I'd say that in Kizer's case, he is a big strong quaterback so reaching him is harder, and he had a good Oline (not stellar, but Browns Oline is good), but he had problems because he had a hard time reading the field and our receivers were awful, so he semt quite lost most of the time. And at that point, it's about instinct (and his isn't very good).
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After watching the pro day I like his short and intermediate throws, but most of those deep ones verified what I saw in games, overthrows deep receivers consistently. I do feel he has improved his intermediate "out" throws to the sidelines. Before he was just not very good at hitting those. He's been working on them for sure.
I'm sure he has the arm for deep throws, even if you discount the affect of thin air @ 7000 ft. in Laramie.
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He's a pussy for throwing indoors. If he wanted to impress he should've been outside throwing since last I checked, every team in the top of the draft is a cold weather team that plays outdoors.
Fuck him.
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I see where his Wr's are just that bad🥷.They say the pro game is faster.Hope his WR's are. It may help him? I can see where Palmer has done some work on his loft to get some air under the ball hoping receivers catch up but it only proved successful twice maybe a 3rd with a receiver with any kind of hands. What you don't want to see is a deep ball hung up short..That happened once.Allen has done some tinkering work with Palmer.Maybe in Allens head but so will any NFL QB coach. Like Kizer, this Kid really does not need to see the field this up coming season. He needs to be drafted into a good QB situation..But that rarely ever happens in this QB starving league..If Elway wants Allen? He can sit at 6 & pick him..I'd pass & take BPA at 6 & that's not Allen playing in 2018
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He's a pussy for throwing indoors. If he wanted to impress he should've been outside throwing since last I checked, every team in the top of the draft is a cold weather team that plays outdoors.
Fuck him.
Shmuck him.
The sad thing is, I think Allen is going to be the pick at #1 if it's not Darnold.
I don't see the Browns trading away the first pick of the 3rd round for Taylor if they were planning on drafting Rosen or Mayfield - two guys who could start either from the season opener or relatively early on. I think the Browns wanted the "Upside Boys" - whichever one they settle on - to be guaranteed not to get the Kizer treatment of being rushed.
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Mayock made mention of some last minute changes but they worked around them. Don't know what the details are.
It comes down to this ...
If you have a west coast offense, and he had to start, I'd go with mayfield.
If you have a good qb ahead of him. and need consistency and maybe during the year he would start...I'd go with Darnold
If you have a wide open offense, a long of long intermediate throws and some bombs thrown in, and the young qb could sit
for a year - I think you have to draft Allen.
Allen's pro day was just shy of excellent. Darnold's WAS excellent. Allen has that special arm - but he needs practice on controlling that power.
Darnold doesn't, simply because he doesn't have that power. Allen's arm is far more a virture than a vice at this point.
So, Darnold was more consistent, and Allen has bigtime upside star power. Tough choice.
Since neither has to start, I'm assuming, I'd go with Allen, but the Browns may very well go with Darnold. Both are going to be winners in the NFL.
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Allen showed off his trademark cannon of an arm with a handful of deep passes at the end of the session. His short passes and underneath routes, though, are what was most on display. He appeared to succeed on those, with nary an inaccurate throw. Allen's quarterback trainer Jordan Palmer, who ran the session, said afterward that he felt Allen was "perfect" in that regard.
"I think it all starts from the feet," Allen said, "and as accurate as I want to be, it starts there. So, Jordan Palmer’s done a really good job with me and seeing everything that’s going on within my mechanics. We came out and showed that it’s improving."
Allen threw to a few receivers who are friends with Palmer as well as Van Maanen and current Wyoming receiver Ayden Eberhardt.
The event also a provided Wyoming a way to show off its newly opened High Altitude Performance Center, a $44 million facility adjacent to War Memorial Stadium. The measurements, jumps and bench presses were held in the center's spacious weight room.
"This was awesome, and Craig Bohl does a great job here," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said. "I took a walk through the new facility, and I was blown away. What you offer here was as good as anything I see at LSU or any of those kinds of things. And you have to put it in perspective. I’m at Alabama, LSU, Penn State. I go to all the major Pro Days. Clemson. The facilities here are great.
"I thought the kid put on a show. I thought the people showed up. And this is the common denominator with (Bohl's former school) North Dakota State: the people. The coaches, the fans, you guys love your football, and you have an appreciation for it, and it’s really cool."
The on-field portions were held in Wyoming's Indoor Practice Facility. But in light of fellow draft prospect Sam Darnold's successful Pro Day in the rain at Southern California, Allen said he would have taken advantage of any inclement weather Friday.
"I was hoping it was snowing, actually," he said. "If it had started snowing, we probably would have stepped outside for 20, 30 throws."
But there was nothing but sunshine Friday afternoon for Wyoming football.
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