EJ Gaines signing for the Browns
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Dissenting opinion...
Ian WhartonVerified account @NFLFilmStudy
McCourty to Carrie is a massive drop (Carrie's not even a qualified outside CB), and Gaines to Taylor is a wash (plus Gaines struggles to stay healthy). Safeties are wholly unproven. They may have gotten worse this off-season.
11:52 AM - 23 Mar 2018"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Dissenting opinion...
Ian WhartonVerified account @NFLFilmStudy
McCourty to Carrie is a massive drop (Carrie's not even a qualified outside CB), and Gaines to Taylor is a wash (plus Gaines struggles to stay healthy). Safeties are wholly unproven. They may have gotten worse this off-season.
11:52 AM - 23 Mar 2018Dissenting opinion...
Ian WhartonVerified account @NFLFilmStudy
McCourty to Carrie is a massive drop (Carrie's not even a qualified outside CB), and Gaines to Taylor is a wash (plus Gaines struggles to stay healthy). Safeties are wholly unproven. They may have gotten worse this off-season.
11:52 AM - 23 Mar 2018Well then, maybe, hopefully they DO still have some DBs in mind for early in the draft. If they don't take one at 4, I think they have to get one or two in rounds 2-3.
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Dissenting opinion...
Ian WhartonVerified account @NFLFilmStudy
McCourty to Carrie is a massive drop (Carrie's not even a qualified outside CB), and Gaines to Taylor is a wash (plus Gaines struggles to stay healthy). Safeties are wholly unproven. They may have gotten worse this off-season.
11:52 AM - 23 Mar 2018Dissenting opinion...
Ian WhartonVerified account @NFLFilmStudy
McCourty to Carrie is a massive drop (Carrie's not even a qualified outside CB), and Gaines to Taylor is a wash (plus Gaines struggles to stay healthy). Safeties are wholly unproven. They may have gotten worse this off-season.
11:52 AM - 23 Mar 2018so this dude has never coached at any level let alone being a scout for a NFL team and u put this crap out there like i am going to take his word over what Dorsey has planned ?
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so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
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so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
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so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
We've added pieces all over the team, we really don't have any holes right now. We could go and play tomorrow if we had to. We've set ourselves up to take what the draft is going to give us, BPA all the way- it's what successful teams do. I see it as it should be, you fill your holes in FA and take the best players and make yourself better through the draft/development process.
Going into FA, our biggest needs were QB, CB/S, RB, WR, OL. We've solidly addressed all of these.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Dissenting opinion...
Ian WhartonVerified account @NFLFilmStudy
McCourty to Carrie is a massive drop (Carrie's not even a qualified outside CB), and Gaines to Taylor is a wash (plus Gaines struggles to stay healthy). Safeties are wholly unproven. They may have gotten worse this off-season.
11:52 AM - 23 Mar 2018Dissenting opinion...
Ian WhartonVerified account @NFLFilmStudy
McCourty to Carrie is a massive drop (Carrie's not even a qualified outside CB), and Gaines to Taylor is a wash (plus Gaines struggles to stay healthy). Safeties are wholly unproven. They may have gotten worse this off-season.
11:52 AM - 23 Mar 2018Considering the Browns had like for corners dressed for games last year I can see how this is a down grade, we dont even know how good....or bad Howard Wilson is yet. I think the Browns are better in the secondary. We have a free safety who can cover for sure, thats an upgrade. We definitely have more depth and quality depth. We will see how it works out but I suspect our nickel and dime packages are a lot better already.
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Are we around half way now when it comes to teams with the most cap space ?
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so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
We've added pieces all over the team, we really don't have any holes right now. We could go and play tomorrow if we had to. We've set ourselves up to take what the draft is going to give us, BPA all the way- it's what successful teams do. I see it as it should be, you fill your holes in FA and take the best players and make yourself better through the draft/development process.
Going into FA, our biggest needs were QB, CB/S, RB, WR, OL. We've solidly addressed all of these.
We've added pieces all over the team, we really don't have any holes right now. We could go and play tomorrow if we had to. We've set ourselves up to take what the draft is going to give us, BPA all the way- it's what successful teams do. I see it as it should be, you fill your holes in FA and take the best players and make yourself better through the draft/development process.
Going into FA, our biggest needs were QB, CB/S, RB, WR, OL. We've solidly addressed all of these.
Well since RB isn't a need anymore, no reason to draft your boy ? JK
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so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
I still thinking Ward... Yes, we've made moves, but where is the shutdown corner?
As Runyon pointed out we still have to see what Howard Wilson can bring, but someone has to push Carrie back to slot duty.
And Safety is a real unknown... times two.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
so do we think enough attention has been paid to our secondary that its an unlikely position to be drafted in rounds 1 or 2? I am starting to think so.
I still thinking Ward... Yes, we've made moves, but where is the shutdown corner?
As Runyon pointed out we still have to see what Howard Wilson can bring, but someone has to push Carrie back to slot duty.
And Safety is a real unknown... times two.
I still thinking Ward... Yes, we've made moves, but where is the shutdown corner?
As Runyon pointed out we still have to see what Howard Wilson can bring, but someone has to push Carrie back to slot duty.
And Safety is a real unknown... times two.
I'm with you. This unit doesn't make me excited to watch it next play season. It was awful last year, so almost any change could have made it better.
But there have been so many moves that now I'm wondering if we'll aim for secondary in 1st or 2nd round. The more I think of it, the more I'm convinced we'll go QB-Chubb and then RB with #33 (or earlier).
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I still thinking Ward... Yes, we've made moves, but where is the shutdown corner?
As Runyon pointed out we still have to see what Howard Wilson can bring, but someone has to push Carrie back to slot duty.
And Safety is a real unknown... times two.
I'm with you. This unit doesn't make me excited to watch it next play season. It was awful last year, so almost any change could have made it better.
But there have been so many moves that now I'm wondering if we'll aim for secondary in 1st or 2nd round. The more I think of it, the more I'm convinced we'll go QB-Chubb and then RB with #33 (or earlier).
I'm with you. This unit doesn't make me excited to watch it next play season. It was awful last year, so almost any change could have made it better.
But there have been so many moves that now I'm wondering if we'll aim for secondary in 1st or 2nd round. The more I think of it, the more I'm convinced we'll go QB-Chubb and then RB with #33 (or earlier).
Good discussion guys!
Here's another way to look at it. Antonio Brown is the best WR in the NFL. If we fail to prepare for that barometer - we should prepare to fail.
One of the biggest things SF did back in the day to help jumper cable/perpetuate their dynasty was draft 3 starters in their secondary in 81 when they drafted Ronnie Lott rd 1, Eric Wright rd 2, and Carlton Williamson rd 3.
A lot of times the pass rush gets credit for the success at the back end; but there's been teams where better coverage at the back end has created more sacks. I wouldn't mind getting us to somewhere in between.
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even with missed games still a huge upgrade over McCourtney
Huge? Here's their production over the past two seasons...
McC: 28 games; 3 INT; 26 Passes Defended; 2 Forced Fumbles; 113 tackles; 19 assists
EJG: 22 games; 1 INT; 16 Passes Defended; 4 Forced Fumbles; 95 tackles; 20 assists
I get younger option, but what am I missing?
Huge? Here's their production over the past two seasons...
McC: 28 games; 3 INT; 26 Passes Defended; 2 Forced Fumbles; 113 tackles; 19 assists
EJG: 22 games; 1 INT; 16 Passes Defended; 4 Forced Fumbles; 95 tackles; 20 assists
I get younger option, but what am I missing?
FWIW, before McC hurt his ankle - PFF had him ranked #1 for a while. That said, when you're 31 or 32 how well do you bounce back from injury. Now factor in - that was an ankle injury that impacts stop and go as well as change of direction. Anyone remember our CB Leigh Bodden (out of Duquesne) who played well enough for a contract extension here only to have an ankle injury he could never shake immediately after the extension? Even BB in NE couldn't cpr the magic back into him.
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