Darnold at #1?
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1) You know darn well highly likely each concussion will take a longer recovery time. I'm not about to Google around 10 medical articles I know are out there to prove my point
2) Rosen WILL get hit multiple times as a pro. The season is longer, and the defensive guys are generally bigger and faster. You know the equation. force = mass X acceleration.
Worries me, and a bunch of others. Fair enough?
3) Exact opposite, if I get your drift- he'll retire rather than risk permanent brain injury. There have been several lesser guys who have called it a career after a couple concussions. It's not just head injuries- blown out knees, Achilles tears, fractured ribs, lisfrank feet, about any high impact injury you care to name. How much damage to your body you willing to put up with? Will Rosen be willing to deal with that? According to the interview snippet I saw it seems he's willing. We'll see.
- Point is I have done the research and I know your statement is only true to a point beyond which the science is not set.
- You did not answer the question... Which was, why do you think Josh, the QB who runs the least of the top four, will suffer more hard hits?
- Yup... we won't know. He might go Chris Borland on us, but then he's not playing MLB.
- Point is I have done the research and I know your statement is only true to a point beyond which the science is not set.
- You did not answer the question... Which was, why do you think Josh, the QB who runs the least of the top four, will suffer more hard hits?
- Yup... we won't know. He might go Chris Borland on us, but then he's not playing MLB.
2) You're sort of answering your own question. Exactly because he runs the least- and is the least mobile of the big 4 (yeah I know about the 40 times) he's going to be more prone to getting clobbered in the pocket. It's not the ones you see coming- it's the ones you don't. Joe won't be there anymore to protect his blind side.
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- Point is I have done the research and I know your statement is only true to a point beyond which the science is not set.
- You did not answer the question... Which was, why do you think Josh, the QB who runs the least of the top four, will suffer more hard hits?
- Yup... we won't know. He might go Chris Borland on us, but then he's not playing MLB.
2) You're sort of answering your own question. Exactly because he runs the least- and is the least mobile of the big 4 (yeah I know about the 40 times) he's going to be more prone to getting clobbered in the pocket. It's not the ones you see coming- it's the ones you don't. Joe won't be there anymore to protect his blind side.
2) You're sort of answering your own question. Exactly because he runs the least- and is the least mobile of the big 4 (yeah I know about the 40 times) he's going to be more prone to getting clobbered in the pocket. It's not the ones you see coming- it's the ones you don't. Joe won't be there anymore to protect his blind side.
So now running QBs get hit less?
And it's not just 40 times... which are not a good measure of mobility. The jumps are better measures of escapability (acceleration). Shuttles and 3-cones are better measures of collision avoidance (agility).
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2) You're sort of answering your own question. Exactly because he runs the least- and is the least mobile of the big 4 (yeah I know about the 40 times) he's going to be more prone to getting clobbered in the pocket. It's not the ones you see coming- it's the ones you don't. Joe won't be there anymore to protect his blind side.
So now running QBs get hit less?
And it's not just 40 times... which are not a good measure of mobility. The jumps are better measures of escapability (acceleration). Shuttles and 3-cones are better measures of collision avoidance (agility).
So now running QBs get hit less?
And it's not just 40 times... which are not a good measure of mobility. The jumps are better measures of escapability (acceleration). Shuttles and 3-cones are better measures of collision avoidance (agility).
No they get hit more, but not hit hard if they've learned to slide or run out of bounds first. I haven't forgotten RG Knee. Wentz got put out for the season on a run. Sam Bradford's knee has collapsed when the breeze of defender running by him and missing put him out.
It's a question if you think Rosen's dingers are isolated instances- or a foreshadowing of things to come. I hope it's the former, but seriously afraid of the latter. Remember Hardly played Montario Hardesty who had injury concerns coming out? Then you have guys like Anthony Munoz and Joe Thomas who had ACLs in college and went on to HOF careers.
But AFAIK, none of the other QB prospects have had concussions. The FO consulting with the Medical team will make the call on Josh.
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Did you have head rests on that thing? A friend of mine was killed that very same way because his car didn't have head rests and it broke his neck. You are lucky to be here.
Yup... very lucky, but not due to a headrest, which the car had, but due to a near empty gas tank. Late nite commute and could not find an open station due to one of those 70's gas shortages so I was limping home on "E". The tank ruptured.
The front anchors of the bucket seat pulled out of the floor/chasis. The back of the driver's seat broke on the frame of the back bench seat. Every window save the front and passenger door blew out/in.
Last thing I remember was a flash of headlights in the rearview mirror. Next thing was being "awakened" on the other side of a 5 lane intersection. Still no idea what I might have hit my head on unless it was the steering wheel, but my thrust should have been backwards. A forehead lac said I hit something.
Found out two years later there was a third car that was next to me at the light that was sideswiped by the drunk that hit me.
Yup... very lucky, but not due to a headrest, which the car had, but due to a near empty gas tank. Late nite commute and could not find an open station due to one of those 70's gas shortages so I was limping home on "E". The tank ruptured.
The front anchors of the bucket seat pulled out of the floor/chasis. The back of the driver's seat broke on the frame of the back bench seat. Every window save the front and passenger door blew out/in.
Last thing I remember was a flash of headlights in the rearview mirror. Next thing was being "awakened" on the other side of a 5 lane intersection. Still no idea what I might have hit my head on unless it was the steering wheel, but my thrust should have been backwards. A forehead lac said I hit something.
Found out two years later there was a third car that was next to me at the light that was sideswiped by the drunk that hit me.
I knew it had to be bad. My friend Lou's small daughter survived with just bruises and a few cuts because her head went into the seat itself. The guy was so drunk (didn't get hurt at all) he woke up in jail not knowing he had even been driving. He was a Ft. Carson soldier (Lou was former Navy UDT) and was so remorseful that Lou's wife asked for him not to be incarcerated. The judge gave him a very strict 10 year probation which I think included no drinking whatsoever. The shame of it was that his wife had lost her 1st husband in Vietnam, so she was twice widowed by age 30. Lou's ashes were scattered by his brother on top of Long's Peak in Rocky M. N. P. The world lost a great, hilarious Indian Shaman imitator. He would make you roll over in stitches with a whole litany of "sayings" in his "India" accent. Never heard the same one twice. He was a marathoner and he would sit cross-legged like Buddha with his hands forming circles with his fingers on his knees which made it even funnier.
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Yeah, Sam does sort of have a goofy look, but I won't hold that against him. Some guys are even fretting over that slightly reddish hair.
Regarding the OSU game, I like to bring up the playoff game long ago where Lawrence Taylor and his pals made Joe Montana look like Joe Blow.
It was one game, and I can't remember the stats how many times Sam got hit or hurried, it was a crazy high number.
1. Gingers have no souls, which might be a positive for a QB.
2. I'm not sure there is a QB alive who would have looked good against Ohio State in that game.
1. Gingers have no souls, which might be a positive for a QB.
2. I'm not sure there is a QB alive who would have looked good against Ohio State in that game.
Precisely Dutch! Imagine if we only counted Brady's first encounter with the NYG on Superbowl Sunday when they put heat on him from all over the pocket most of the day. And if the dump-off RB Darnold is sentenced to has hands like Edward Scissorhands behind a banged up/patchwork line - it's a 60 minute diet of eating pigskin. He still made some ideal throws under duress and improvise.
If we're going to count wins and losses - let's count them. Darnold is 20-4, which includes a Pac 12 Championship inclusive of a victory over a Big 10 Champion (PSU) that beat Ohio State. He's done all this by the end of his soph year.
While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I absolutely love the little detail of Joe's hand position in this.
Me too. The only nitpick is I would have preferred to see Joe's bear paws instead of Donald Trump's baby hands.
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1. Gingers have no souls, which might be a positive for a QB.
2. I'm not sure there is a QB alive who would have looked good against Ohio State in that game.
Precisely Dutch! Imagine if we only counted Brady's first encounter with the NYG on Superbowl Sunday when they put heat on him from all over the pocket most of the day. And if the dump-off RB Darnold is sentenced to has hands like Edward Scissorhands behind a banged up/patchwork line - it's a 60 minute diet of eating pigskin. He still made some ideal throws under duress and improvise.
If we're going to count wins and losses - let's count them. Darnold is 20-4, which includes a Pac 12 Championship inclusive of a victory over a Big 10 Champion (PSU) that beat Ohio State. He's done all this by the end of his soph year.
While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
Precisely Dutch! Imagine if we only counted Brady's first encounter with the NYG on Superbowl Sunday when they put heat on him from all over the pocket most of the day. And if the dump-off RB Darnold is sentenced to has hands like Edward Scissorhands behind a banged up/patchwork line - it's a 60 minute diet of eating pigskin. He still made some ideal throws under duress and improvise.
If we're going to count wins and losses - let's count them. Darnold is 20-4, which includes a Pac 12 Championship inclusive of a victory over a Big 10 Champion (PSU) that beat Ohio State. He's done all this by the end of his soph year.
While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
Rosen didn't have any defense. It wasn't problems with the O other than not having a great RB this year. I think Rosen or Darnold would be a major step forward for us with time to develop behind Taylor (whom I think will surprise us all if the D vastly improves).
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Precisely Dutch! Imagine if we only counted Brady's first encounter with the NYG on Superbowl Sunday when they put heat on him from all over the pocket most of the day. And if the dump-off RB Darnold is sentenced to has hands like Edward Scissorhands behind a banged up/patchwork line - it's a 60 minute diet of eating pigskin. He still made some ideal throws under duress and improvise.
If we're going to count wins and losses - let's count them. Darnold is 20-4, which includes a Pac 12 Championship inclusive of a victory over a Big 10 Champion (PSU) that beat Ohio State. He's done all this by the end of his soph year.
While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
Rosen didn't have any defense. It wasn't problems with the O other than not having a great RB this year. I think Rosen or Darnold would be a major step forward for us with time to develop behind Taylor (whom I think will surprise us all if the D vastly improves).
Rosen didn't have any defense. It wasn't problems with the O other than not having a great RB this year. I think Rosen or Darnold would be a major step forward for us with time to develop behind Taylor (whom I think will surprise us all if the D vastly improves).
Agreed but NFL scouts/teams aren't judging Rosen by who was playing defense for UCLA. They may judge him on what he does with his ingredients on offense and that'll work well for him IMO.
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1. Gingers have no souls, which might be a positive for a QB.
2. I'm not sure there is a QB alive who would have looked good against Ohio State in that game.
Precisely Dutch! Imagine if we only counted Brady's first encounter with the NYG on Superbowl Sunday when they put heat on him from all over the pocket most of the day. And if the dump-off RB Darnold is sentenced to has hands like Edward Scissorhands behind a banged up/patchwork line - it's a 60 minute diet of eating pigskin. He still made some ideal throws under duress and improvise.
If we're going to count wins and losses - let's count them. Darnold is 20-4, which includes a Pac 12 Championship inclusive of a victory over a Big 10 Champion (PSU) that beat Ohio State. He's done all this by the end of his soph year.
While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
He had some talent around him on offense, but where he had zero help on the defensive end.
I feel fairly confident that Rosen could have had a 20-4 record at USC too...
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While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
He had some talent around him on offense, but where he had zero help on the defensive end.
I feel fairly confident that Rosen could have had a 20-4 record at USC too...
He had some talent around him on offense, but where he had zero help on the defensive end.
I feel fairly confident that Rosen could have had a 20-4 record at USC too...
They had one of the worst running attacks in football. Their rushing defensive was even worse.
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He had some talent around him on offense, but where he had zero help on the defensive end.
I feel fairly confident that Rosen could have had a 20-4 record at USC too...
They had one of the worst running attacks in football. Their rushing defensive was even worse.
They had one of the worst running attacks in football. Their rushing defensive was even worse.
I was just reading a scouting report on UCLA's LT Kolton Miller:
"Miller is one of the few players who flashed positive reps at UCLA while scouts were watching quarterback Josh Rosen."
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While Rosen has grown on me a lot, I KEEP reading he didn't have very much help. He's got 2 offensive linemen about to be drafted as well as other teammates. In an impressive OG group - Quessenberry ranks 5th in Athlon's draft guide while Kolton Miller is ranked 6th among all OTs prior to a very good workout at Indy. His go-to WR Jordan Lasley had 69 receptions for 1264 yards and 9 TDs in the 9 games he played in (and he missed some of the same games Rosen missed so it wasn't like he went without him more than 1 or 2 times).
He had some talent around him on offense, but where he had zero help on the defensive end.
I feel fairly confident that Rosen could have had a 20-4 record at USC too...
He had some talent around him on offense, but where he had zero help on the defensive end.
I feel fairly confident that Rosen could have had a 20-4 record at USC too...
Maybe even better than 20-4; but it doesn't change that I'm impressed by a soph QB sporting such a record. Looks like my reply to Aggies in the post right before your reply to me had a major typo now corrected in bold:
Agreed but NFL scouts/teams aren't judging Rosen by who was playing defense for UCLA. They may judge him on what he does with his ingredients on offense and that'll work well for him IMO.
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Is it Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for the Browns after their Pro Days? Hey, Mary Kay!
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Anybody smell smoke?
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Is it Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for the Browns after their Pro Days? Hey, Mary Kay!
https://search.app.goo.gl/KskL
Anybody smell smoke?
WSS
Is it Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for the Browns after their Pro Days? Hey, Mary Kay!
https://search.app.goo.gl/KskL
Anybody smell smoke?
WSS
It's Mary Kay Steve, you should know better. You read farther down- Po's not the only Barkley Booster in town...
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I was just reading a scouting report on UCLA's LT Kolton Miller:
"Miller is one of the few players who flashed positive reps at UCLA while scouts were watching quarterback Josh Rosen."
It's hard to find an OT that checks more boxes than Miller... working out. On film? A lot of issues plus he got owned regularly in SR Bowl practices.
It's the OT vacuum at the top that is pulling names higher on "potential". Objectively it can be and has been argued that there's not an OT in this class worth a 1st round grade. I see two (UT's Williams and MSU's Rankin), but both belong in the 2nd half of the 1st.
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I was just reading a scouting report on UCLA's LT Kolton Miller:
"Miller is one of the few players who flashed positive reps at UCLA while scouts were watching quarterback Josh Rosen."
It's hard to find an OT that checks more boxes than Miller... working out. On film? A lot of issues plus he got owned regularly in SR Bowl practices.
It's the OT vacuum at the top that is pulling names higher on "potential". Objectively it can be and has been argued that there's not an OT in this class worth a 1st round grade. I see two (UT's Williams and MSU's Rankin), but both belong in the 2nd half of the 1st.
It's hard to find an OT that checks more boxes than Miller... working out. On film? A lot of issues plus he got owned regularly in SR Bowl practices.
It's the OT vacuum at the top that is pulling names higher on "potential". Objectively it can be and has been argued that there's not an OT in this class worth a 1st round grade. I see two (UT's Williams and MSU's Rankin), but both belong in the 2nd half of the 1st.
You can watch any Rosen film and see Miller getting beat several times. It's not like he was Joe Thomas at LT.
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Is it Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for the Browns after their Pro Days? Hey, Mary Kay!
https://search.app.goo.gl/KskL
Anybody smell smoke?
WSS
It's Mary Kay Steve, you should know better. You read farther down- Po's not the only Barkley Booster in town...
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I was just reading a scouting report on UCLA's LT Kolton Miller:
"Miller is one of the few players who flashed positive reps at UCLA while scouts were watching quarterback Josh Rosen."
It's hard to find an OT that checks more boxes than Miller... working out. On film? A lot of issues plus he got owned regularly in SR Bowl practices.
It's the OT vacuum at the top that is pulling names higher on "potential". Objectively it can be and has been argued that there's not an OT in this class worth a 1st round grade. I see two (UT's Williams and MSU's Rankin), but both belong in the 2nd half of the 1st.
It's hard to find an OT that checks more boxes than Miller... working out. On film? A lot of issues plus he got owned regularly in SR Bowl practices.
It's the OT vacuum at the top that is pulling names higher on "potential". Objectively it can be and has been argued that there's not an OT in this class worth a 1st round grade. I see two (UT's Williams and MSU's Rankin), but both belong in the 2nd half of the 1st.
I was just posting that Tour to illustrate that Rosen wasn't exactly surrounded by a ton of talent. The draft guide I pulled that out of had him ranked as the 11th-rated tackle.
This isn't a good draft to try and find Joe Thomas's replacement. I'm vaguely intrigued by DII Tackle Alex Cappa as a later round developmental OT.
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It's hard to find an OT that checks more boxes than Miller... working out. On film? A lot of issues plus he got owned regularly in SR Bowl practices.
It's the OT vacuum at the top that is pulling names higher on "potential". Objectively it can be and has been argued that there's not an OT in this class worth a 1st round grade. I see two (UT's Williams and MSU's Rankin), but both belong in the 2nd half of the 1st.
I was just posting that Tour to illustrate that Rosen wasn't exactly surrounded by a ton of talent. The draft guide I pulled that out of had him ranked as the 11th-rated tackle.
This isn't a good draft to try and find Joe Thomas's replacement. I'm vaguely intrigued by DII Tackle Alex Cappa as a later round developmental OT.
This isn't a good draft to try and find Joe Thomas's replacement. I'm vaguely intrigued by DII Tackle Alex Cappa as a later round developmental OT.
Dearth of plud'n'play for sure, but there are some interesting developmental prospects.
You can watch any Rosen film and see Miller getting beat several times. It's not like he was Joe Thomas at LT.
That was the story of the Sr. Bowl practices as well... or at least half of it. Miller would get beaten wide with speed, compensate and then get beaten across his face.
While he can develop... I just don't like the risk factor especially as high as he is likely to go. I really start to get uncomfortable when an OT prospect is over 6'6" and has yet to show the kind of movement and balance a good one needs.
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This isn't a good draft to try and find Joe Thomas's replacement. I'm vaguely intrigued by DII Tackle Alex Cappa as a later round developmental OT.
Dearth of plud'n'play for sure, but there are some interesting developmental prospects.
You can watch any Rosen film and see Miller getting beat several times. It's not like he was Joe Thomas at LT.
That was the story of the Sr. Bowl practices as well... or at least half of it. Miller would get beaten wide with speed, compensate and then get beaten across his face.
While he can develop... I just don't like the risk factor especially as high as he is likely to go. I really start to get uncomfortable when an OT prospect is over 6'6" and has yet to show the kind of movement and balance a good one needs.
Dearth of plud'n'play for sure, but there are some interesting developmental prospects.
That was the story of the Sr. Bowl practices as well... or at least half of it. Miller would get beaten wide with speed, compensate and then get beaten across his face.
While he can develop... I just don't like the risk factor especially as high as he is likely to go. I really start to get uncomfortable when an OT prospect is over 6'6" and has yet to show the kind of movement and balance a good one needs.
Yep. The tape I saw, they just blew around him with speed. Rosen got absolutely smashed on some of those blind side hits.
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