Darnold at #1?
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Who's your guy? It's easy to bash other people opinions without ever actually sticking your neck out there. There are pros and cons for all of these guys so as soon as you name your guy we can actually have a conversation
Who's your guy? It's easy to bash other people opinions without ever actually sticking your neck out there. There are pros and cons for all of these guys so as soon as you name your guy we can actually have a conversation
OK, 1A Darnold, 1B Mayfield, 3 Rosen. Allen is a slightly less yucky choice than Jackson, but I don't want either.
Don't worry LS Lamar isn't going to the Browns, 99.9% chance not.
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USC may have scored 27 but, to me at least, this is the game I watched that most scares me about Darnold's ability at the pro level. If you haven't watched the game vs Washy St. I suggest you do. So many things here that just aren't good which would show their ugly head again and various points throughout the season.
OK Tia- want to know what you don't like. Sam is going to have to learn to slide at the next level or he's going to get killed. Love that pocket mobility though. Yeah, a couple of dumb mistakes and bad throws. The one fumble was an unabated to the qb- very few guys can duck in time when that's coming at them. That one near int in the end zone was a flagrant PI, the USC's guys jersey was pulled out a foot away from his body...
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So we;ve whittled it down to two?
I guess we'll be cancelling a couple Berea visits...
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So we've whittled it down to two?
I guess we'll be cancelling a couple Berea visits...
Nah, you know better. We'll bring 'em all in- try and keep the rest of the league guessing.
Don't you just love those media pronouncements? It's Darnold or Allen? Just because we didn't go to Rosen's Pro Day doesn't mean much...
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USC may have scored 27 but, to me at least, this is the game I watched that most scares me about Darnold's ability at the pro level. If you haven't watched the game vs Washy St. I suggest you do. So many things here that just aren't good which would show their ugly head again and various points throughout the season.
USC may have scored 27 but, to me at least, this is the game I watched that most scares me about Darnold's ability at the pro level. If you haven't watched the game vs Washy St. I suggest you do. So many things here that just aren't good which would show their ugly head again and various points throughout the season.
He had 3 oline starters missing on this Road trip had to break in 3 first time starters The gameswas played after ONLY 4 day rest. They played on THURSDAY in Pullman, Washington. Took less than 50 players on that trip because they were banged up. If you watch reci3vers made route mistakes, not learning the right calls. Only reliable reciever on this trip was Deontay Burnett. Vaughns, rs freshman, broke out in this game for the first time bur still making freshman mistakes. You do realize pac 12 has arguably the best secondary talent in college ball because all the qbs and recievers in the league, right? Just go back last decade and see how many NFL starters are from the pac 12.
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First time post.
This is what I see in Darnold:
1. He has moxie/it factor. He will sling it and make all the throws. (please go back and watch all the throws not just the highlight ones.)
2. He never wavers. Cool customer
3. He was first recruited as a linebacker by Justin Wilcox, then the def. Coordinator at SC as a sophomore. He is a football player.
4. His grandfather, D!ck Hammer, was a basketball and volleyball player at SC. Later participated in the Olympics in volleyball. Later, became the original Marboroman. He has cool in his genes. Most of his immediate family members were college athletes.
5. He is a quiet person and leads by example. Much like Barry Sanders. Captain of his high school basketball and football teams. Also captain of USC team as a rs-sophomore.
6. His dad, a plummer/ mom a gym teacher. Has blue collar work ethics.
7. He wins. And usually, he is a big part of the reason why. I never felt that way about other qbs. Even Carson Palmer. 3 years at Sc he was a .500 winning % qb with equally talented team. Barkley/Kessler with better oline and better recievers (Robert woods/Marquis Lee/Nelson Agulhor/Juju)
I have been following USC since I went to school there in 1993. And I can attest that he will be the QB that will bring Browns out of the football purgatory and lead them to the promise land. I laughed when people questioned his competitiveness when he decided not to throw on the combine. Because he loves competition.
When he was coming out of high school, Rosen was the #1 rated QB in the Nation. And Darnold, who played OLB, WR and QB at his high school only focused on playing the QB position during his senior year. (he was injured part of his junior year). 2nd best QB was widely considered Ricky towns who signed with USC. When Darnold was offered, he didn't hesitate to come in and compete with Towns/Kessler/Browne-who was the consesus best QB recruit before.
Darnold came in after the first week of summer throwing sessions, Ricky Towns left the school before the actually enrollment. He knew he couldn't beat out this kid who seemed to come out of nowhere.
In Darnold's true freshman year, he was so good that John Robinson, former usc/Ram's coach quoted saying that he is the best player on the field everytime he has the ball. But because USC was coming off NCAA sanction years, coaches wanted to play safe and play the veteran QB, Cody kessler, incumbent starter who was, less talented but decent college QB. Darnold becomes the service team MVP.
Next year, since the spring ball, Darnold seemed to pull ahead but Coached decides to go with Browne at QB that made usc go 1-3 in the first 4 games. Darnold steps in and wins the rest of the games and wins the Rosebowl.
In 2017, SC lost 2 multiple year starters at LT and RT and their best Guard to NFL, lost 3 senior WRs who were the 3/4/5 option and 1st option in JUJU and dynamic playmaker in Adoree Jackson. we knew we had a shaky offensive line, questionable playcalling and unproven WRs. and of the three loses. If you watch the first 5 games, half the int are because the he hit the WR in the hands and they would just bat in the air or drop. On many occasions they run the wrong routes. The fumbles are on him but that's because he wants to win, and tries to do too much. And the teamates know what he is about. He never complained. He never blamed others. He always said I need to get better. Watch the @Washington St. game where defense lost the game which he almost made a another comeback. SC lost 3 linemen before the game had a true freshman playing guard and center playing LT.
People who follow SC in the last few years believe that Sam actually saved HeadcoachHelton's job.
He will save Jackson's job. He will save cleveland.
4. His grandfather, D!ck Hammer, was a basketball and volleyball player at SC. Later participated in the Olympics in volleyball. Later, became the original Marboroman. He has cool in his genes. Most of his immediate family members were college athletes.
His grandpa's name was Dlck Hammer? Ok, we should definitely take Darnold first overall now.
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Jim Mora thinks Darnold is the best fit for the Browns. Pretty interesting. He has stated before that he thinks Rosen and Darnold are both going to be awesome.
The theory propounded on this is that this is just more of Rosen's "I don't want to play in Cleveland" schtick. He asked his former coach to hype up some other QB to go to the Browns, thinking that that would persuade the Browns to not take him.
The theory propounded on this is that this is just more of Rosen's "I don't want to play in Cleveland" schtick. He asked his former coach to hype up some other QB to go to the Browns, thinking that that would persuade the Browns to not take him.
Jim Mora thinks Darnold is the best fit for the Browns. Pretty interesting. He has stated before that he thinks Rosen and Darnold are both going to be awesome.
Mora actually recruited Rosen and coached him for his entire ucla tenure. Dline at ucla was very talented when they played Usc and could not faze Darnold. Mckinnely 1st rd, dt Vanderdoes 3rd last year. They recruited well while sc was still under NCAA sactions, hauling in players that limited sc from offering around the West.
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I will even say ucla oline was better than USC's in the past 2 years while darnold.was the qb. SC after carroll left and NCAA sactions hit, stupid Kiffen/ Sarkisian mostly focused on skilled players...oline suffered the most and I will say that past two years our oline has be3n the most pathetic oline group ever. Having no one projected to go in the first 3 rounds last year and this year. Hell, no oline player was good enough to get an invitation to the combine this year. Last year two were invited theu were the slowest players at the combine last year. Since 1990s SC had so many NFL olineman...perhap one of the most if not the most until last 5 years no more 1st or 2nd round talents on the oline. Boselli, Baker,matt and sam Kilil Tyron Smith to name top off my head.
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I will even say ucla oline was better than USC's in the past 2 years while darnold.was the qb. SC after carroll left and NCAA sactions hit, stupid Kiffen/ Sarkisian mostly focused on skilled players...oline suffered the most and I will say that past two years our oline has be3n the most pathetic oline group ever. Having no one projected to go in the first 3 rounds last year and this year. Hell, no oline player was good enough to get an invitation to the combine this year. Last year two were invited theu were the slowest players at the combine last year. Since 1990s SC had so many NFL olineman...perhap one of the most if not the most until last 5 years no more 1st or 2nd round talents on the oline. Boselli, Baker,matt and sam Kilil Tyron Smith to name top off my head.
oline suffered the most and I will say that past two years our oline has been the most pathetic oline group ever.
Welcome to the Browns OL. We now lose a HOF LT & the hope is to fill position with S.Coleman going from barely playing in 16 with 1 sack. To playing in 17 to tone of 8 sacks & most hurries from RT.Durango gave up 6 sacks in 16 than 10 in 17.Since 2015 this team ranked 30th,32nd to 27th, in hurries & sacks..Hell yes you get Tyrod & Stanton take those Qb hit for a year 🥷 Rosen & Darnold both ranked in the 20's under pressure.Mayfield ranks #1 under pressure. Allen's size may win out as a pinata, but his mechanics under pressure are god awful..The Browns staff can only help Darnold or any QB's upside by sitting in 18. My issue with Mayfield is what I thought & showed up at Senior Bowl. In a collapsing pocket his size can't see & balls were batted down in passing windows..If am Dorsey, ya never pass on your best QB option due to surrounding Issues..#1 Rosen..#2a/b Mayfield than Darnold (titanic faces large waves, under 30 days)
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oline suffered the most and I will say that past two years our oline has been the most pathetic oline group ever.
Welcome to the Browns OL. We now lose a HOF LT & the hope is to fill position with S.Coleman going from barely playing in 16 with 1 sack. To playing in 17 to tone of 8 sacks & most hurries from RT.Durango gave up 6 sacks in 16 than 10 in 17.Since 2015 this team ranked 30th,32nd to 27th, in hurries & sacks..Hell yes you get Tyrod & Stanton take those Qb hit for a year 🥷 Rosen & Darnold both ranked in the 20's under pressure.Mayfield ranks #1 under pressure. Allen's size may win out as a pinata, but his mechanics under pressure are god awful..The Browns staff can only help Darnold or any QB's upside by sitting in 18. My issue with Mayfield is what I thought & showed up at Senior Bowl. In a collapsing pocket his size can't see & balls were batted down in passing windows..If am Dorsey, ya never pass on your best QB option due to surrounding Issues..#1 Rosen..#2a/b Mayfield than Darnold (titanic faces large waves, under 30 days)
Welcome to the Browns OL. We now lose a HOF LT & the hope is to fill position with S.Coleman going from barely playing in 16 with 1 sack. To playing in 17 to tone of 8 sacks & most hurries from RT.Durango gave up 6 sacks in 16 than 10 in 17.Since 2015 this team ranked 30th,32nd to 27th, in hurries & sacks..Hell yes you get Tyrod & Stanton take those Qb hit for a year 🥷 Rosen & Darnold both ranked in the 20's under pressure.Mayfield ranks #1 under pressure. Allen's size may win out as a pinata, but his mechanics under pressure are god awful..The Browns staff can only help Darnold or any QB's upside by sitting in 18. My issue with Mayfield is what I thought & showed up at Senior Bowl. In a collapsing pocket his size can't see & balls were batted down in passing windows..If am Dorsey, ya never pass on your best QB option due to surrounding Issues..#1 Rosen..#2a/b Mayfield than Darnold (titanic faces large waves, under 30 days)
Rosen couldn't win at ucla when they were projected to challenge for the pac 12 title. On paper they were as talented as any team in the pac 12. They under achieved big time. Rosen the chosen supposed to save ucla football as the #1 rated player out of high school but lost to bad teams and decent teams. He did not make his teammates better. Since 2014 ucla recruiting was in the top 20 until last year. Watch his games and Darnold against the common opponents. It's night and day. Watch vs. 2 Arizona schools and a quality opponent Washington in 2017. Against U of A he throws 3 picks has qb rating in the 90's. All three games his completion percentage in the 58% that's Josh Allen range. Against Washington he has less than 100 yards passing. In 2016 as a rs freshman Darnold beats then undefeated Washington team at Washington. Look, when darnold faced tough teams and won most of them and even the loses are headliners because they are.tough teams like Ohio st. Rosen couldn't win vs lesser teams. Go watch those games he lost. There are alot since he lost 13 games won only 17 games in 3 seasons he played at ucla.
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I sure hope this isn' the case. Allen isn't a 1st round prospect and I have really soured on Darnold. He looks really timid in the pocket and seems to panic when the pass rush heats up.
I really think Mayfield is the guy that Dorsey is falling for. Moxy, accuracy, leadership, mobility, and he's a winner. Mayfield at 1 and Chubb at 4 lock it in.
I sure hope this isn' the case. Allen isn't a 1st round prospect and I have really soured on Darnold. He looks really timid in the pocket and seems to panic when the pass rush heats up.
I really think Mayfield is the guy that Dorsey is falling for. Moxy, accuracy, leadership, mobility, and he's a winner. Mayfield at 1 and Chubb at 4 lock it in.
Or....he may be the guy that JH is telling him to fall for. There IS that concern. hee hee.
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Welcome to the Browns OL. We now lose a HOF LT & the hope is to fill position with S.Coleman going from barely playing in 16 with 1 sack. To playing in 17 to tone of 8 sacks & most hurries from RT.Durango gave up 6 sacks in 16 than 10 in 17.Since 2015 this team ranked 30th,32nd to 27th, in hurries & sacks..Hell yes you get Tyrod & Stanton take those Qb hit for a year 🥷 Rosen & Darnold both ranked in the 20's under pressure.Mayfield ranks #1 under pressure. Allen's size may win out as a pinata, but his mechanics under pressure are god awful..The Browns staff can only help Darnold or any QB's upside by sitting in 18. My issue with Mayfield is what I thought & showed up at Senior Bowl. In a collapsing pocket his size can't see & balls were batted down in passing windows..If am Dorsey, ya never pass on your best QB option due to surrounding Issues..#1 Rosen..#2a/b Mayfield than Darnold (titanic faces large waves, under 30 days)
Rosen couldn't win at ucla when they were projected to challenge for the pac 12 title. On paper they were as talented as any team in the pac 12. They under achieved big time. Rosen the chosen supposed to save ucla football as the #1 rated player out of high school but lost to bad teams and decent teams. He did not make his teammates better. Since 2014 ucla recruiting was in the top 20 until last year. Watch his games and Darnold against the common opponents. It's night and day. Watch vs. 2 Arizona schools and a quality opponent Washington in 2017. Against U of A he throws 3 picks has qb rating in the 90's. All three games his completion percentage in the 58% that's Josh Allen range. Against Washington he has less than 100 yards passing. In 2016 as a rs freshman Darnold beats then undefeated Washington team at Washington. Look, when darnold faced tough teams and won most of them and even the loses are headliners because they are.tough teams like Ohio st. Rosen couldn't win vs lesser teams. Go watch those games he lost. There are alot since he lost 13 games won only 17 games in 3 seasons he played at ucla.
Rosen couldn't win at ucla when they were projected to challenge for the pac 12 title. On paper they were as talented as any team in the pac 12. They under achieved big time. Rosen the chosen supposed to save ucla football as the #1 rated player out of high school but lost to bad teams and decent teams. He did not make his teammates better. Since 2014 ucla recruiting was in the top 20 until last year. Watch his games and Darnold against the common opponents. It's night and day. Watch vs. 2 Arizona schools and a quality opponent Washington in 2017. Against U of A he throws 3 picks has qb rating in the 90's. All three games his completion percentage in the 58% that's Josh Allen range. Against Washington he has less than 100 yards passing. In 2016 as a rs freshman Darnold beats then undefeated Washington team at Washington. Look, when darnold faced tough teams and won most of them and even the loses are headliners because they are.tough teams like Ohio st. Rosen couldn't win vs lesser teams. Go watch those games he lost. There are alot since he lost 13 games won only 17 games in 3 seasons he played at ucla.
Darnold also had an NFL rb in Ronald Jones. Had better talent at skill positions.
Hard to win games when your defense allows 37ppg and gives up close to 500 yds a game
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USC may have scored 27 but, to me at least, this is the game I watched that most scares me about Darnold's ability at the pro level. If you haven't watched the game vs Washy St. I suggest you do. So many things here that just aren't good which would show their ugly head again and various points throughout the season.
He had 3 oline starters missing on this Road trip had to break in 3 first time starters The gameswas played after ONLY 4 day rest. They played on THURSDAY in Pullman, Washington. Took less than 50 players on that trip because they were banged up. If you watch reci3vers made route mistakes, not learning the right calls. Only reliable reciever on this trip was Deontay Burnett. Vaughns, rs freshman, broke out in this game for the first time bur still making freshman mistakes. You do realize pac 12 has arguably the best secondary talent in college ball because all the qbs and recievers in the league, right? Just go back last decade and see how many NFL starters are from the pac 12.
He had 3 oline starters missing on this Road trip had to break in 3 first time starters The gameswas played after ONLY 4 day rest. They played on THURSDAY in Pullman, Washington. Took less than 50 players on that trip because they were banged up. If you watch reci3vers made route mistakes, not learning the right calls. Only reliable reciever on this trip was Deontay Burnett. Vaughns, rs freshman, broke out in this game for the first time bur still making freshman mistakes. You do realize pac 12 has arguably the best secondary talent in college ball because all the qbs and recievers in the league, right? Just go back last decade and see how many NFL starters are from the pac 12.
That doesn't excuse @ 0:12. Take a look where the lead foot is pointing when the throwing motion starts. See how the ball sails? That's max pro, champ. Boy has all day to pass then.
How's about 1:10 where he blatantly throws into a rolled look though he has plenty of time to throw?
@ 1:55 is an example of both. You have a lazy route by the receiver who should have pressed the DB to get him to flip his hips a little. But ultimately it's on the QB. That's his read and he see's a CB, hips and shoulders square, sitting on the route yet never looked off of it.
@2:10 fade with absolutely trash ball placement. Even if it was back shoulder... still not ideal placement.
@2:23 Bunny hop and launch. Not a negative per-say, but a funny play no less.
@2:30 with pretty poor ball placement again. WR gets the DB to open his hips then breaks it out. Sam places it too far outside. Getting flashbacks of his last pick then over corrects.
@3:50 absolutely inexcusable. You win the down by avoiding the sack, you consciously say no to the throw away. Then you attempt to run right back up the middle and for good measure hit it with the old Weeden Shovel pass. These are examples of poor decision making while under pressure. Pressure that will be unavoidable in the NFL.
So far the rollout game/half field stuff has been his best work. But that does not a good NFL QB make.
@4:20 this has popped up several times throughout the season when I've watched. Locking into the pre-snap. The box is stacked and you have a true zero look to the outside. What's worse is that you see the field CB already has his hips turned. These are plays where, in my mind, elite NFL QB prospects are not afraid to attack the perimeter.
Is the Oline good? No. Are the receivers good? Not really. They need some seasoning. However when presented with opportunities to make plays, or at worst - not have a play potentially turn into a disaster, the decision making the execution becomes an issue. I could do this with quite a few videos of his. In the meantime, you're welcome to defend the player all you want.
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USC may have scored 27 but, to me at least, this is the game I watched that most scares me about Darnold's ability at the pro level. If you haven't watched the game vs Washy St. I suggest you do. So many things here that just aren't good which would show their ugly head again and various points throughout the season.
USC may have scored 27 but, to me at least, this is the game I watched that most scares me about Darnold's ability at the pro level. If you haven't watched the game vs Washy St. I suggest you do. So many things here that just aren't good which would show their ugly head again and various points throughout the season.
Wow... finally took the time to look.
All depends on his feet doesn't it? And most the first half they were spectacularly bad. Early overthrow he was doing his bunny hop into his set. Completed a couple of quick bubbles without ever setting. Predetermined two GL throws... one picked and a second pick dropped. Finally at start of Q4 he got his feet under him and aligned with the direction of the throw and it was a beauty (the pass with PI called).
And then there's the Wheezy special... oy!
EDIT: had I just turned the page I could have said, "What tia said." Even included the times... and the hop...
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Anyone think Jackson will be better than Allen?
I think his floor is higher
Rosen couldn't win at ucla when they were projected to challenge for the pac 12 title. On paper they were as talented as any team in the pac 12. They under achieved big time. Rosen the chosen supposed to save ucla football as the #1 rated player out of high school but lost to bad teams and decent teams. He did not make his teammates better. Since 2014 ucla recruiting was in the top 20 until last year. Watch his games and Darnold against the common opponents. It's night and day. Watch vs. 2 Arizona schools and a quality opponent Washington in 2017. Against U of A he throws 3 picks has qb rating in the 90's. All three games his completion percentage in the 58% that's Josh Allen range. Against Washington he has less than 100 yards passing. In 2016 as a rs freshman Darnold beats then undefeated Washington team at Washington. Look, when darnold faced tough teams and won most of them and even the loses are headliners because they are.tough teams like Ohio st. Rosen couldn't win vs lesser teams. Go watch those games he lost. There are alot since he lost 13 games won only 17 games in 3 seasons he played at ucla.
So Darnold was held down due to teammates dragging him down, but Rosen is downgraded for failing to elevate play of others around him?
Is that about it?
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Rosen couldn't win at ucla when they were projected to challenge for the pac 12 title. On paper they were as talented as any team in the pac 12. They under achieved big time. Rosen the chosen supposed to save ucla football as the #1 rated player out of high school but lost to bad teams and decent teams. He did not make his teammates better. Since 2014 ucla recruiting was in the top 20 until last year. Watch his games and Darnold against the common opponents. It's night and day. Watch vs. 2 Arizona schools and a quality opponent Washington in 2017. Against U of A he throws 3 picks has qb rating in the 90's. All three games his completion percentage in the 58% that's Josh Allen range. Against Washington he has less than 100 yards passing. In 2016 as a rs freshman Darnold beats then undefeated Washington team at Washington. Look, when darnold faced tough teams and won most of them and even the loses are headliners because they are.tough teams like Ohio st. Rosen couldn't win vs lesser teams. Go watch those games he lost. There are alot since he lost 13 games won only 17 games in 3 seasons he played at ucla.
Darnold also had an NFL rb in Ronald Jones. Had better talent at skill positions.
Hard to win games when your defense allows 37ppg and gives up close to 500 yds a game
Darnold also had an NFL rb in Ronald Jones. Had better talent at skill positions.
Hard to win games when your defense allows 37ppg and gives up close to 500 yds a game
So you are saying that first, so his defense made his completion percentage in the 50s? His defense made him throw 3 ints? So all ints weren't Kiser's fault then. Second, even though players they have is better than the oppsing team, it's okay to lose the game as long as you have good mechanic and footwork? Losing 13 games out of 30 in college mostly against lesser opponents is the quality you look for in a qb?
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USC may have scored 27 but, to me at least, this is the game I watched that most scares me about Darnold's ability at the pro level. If you haven't watched the game vs Washy St. I suggest you do. So many things here that just aren't good which would show their ugly head again and various points throughout the season.
Wow... finally took the time to look.
All depends on his feet doesn't it? And most the first half they were spectacularly bad. Early overthrow he was doing his bunny hop into his set. Completed a couple of quick bubbles without ever setting. Predetermined two GL throws... one picked and a second pick dropped. Finally at start of Q4 he got his feet under him and aligned with the direction of the throw and it was a beauty (the pass with PI called).
And then there's the Wheezy special... oy!
EDIT: had I just turned the page I could have said, "What tia said." Even included the times... and the hop...
Wow... finally took the time to look.
All depends on his feet doesn't it? And most the first half they were spectacularly bad. Early overthrow he was doing his bunny hop into his set. Completed a couple of quick bubbles without ever setting. Predetermined two GL throws... one picked and a second pick dropped. Finally at start of Q4 he got his feet under him and aligned with the direction of the throw and it was a beauty (the pass with PI called).
And then there's the Wheezy special... oy!
EDIT: had I just turned the page I could have said, "What tia said." Even included the times... and the hop...
The footwork, especially at the top of his 5 &7 step drops is just pure comedy. Nevermind the other things like how his hips don't come around in sync with his arm.
Why would you want to draft a QB where you spend the bulk of his first off season fixing his terrible mechanics when you could take Rosen - who you could immediately begin working on absorbing the playbook, adapting to NFL speeds and the mental/classroom work of the game because he doesn't possess such incredibly obvious flaws?!?
When the #1 pick is in and should the Browns not call Rosen's name, then they're only making it as hard on themselves as humanly possible.
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