Tyrod Tarkenton
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If Dorsey picked Lamar Jackson then I would buy into the BT4.
But he wont.
Dorsey is not picking the QB. Dorsey answers to Hue Jackson, Hue has the ear of Haslam. That's just how it is.
Dorsey is not picking the QB. Dorsey answers to Hue Jackson, Hue has the ear of Haslam. That's just how it is.
I dont believe that Hue is making all these moves at all. Sashi was fired for Kizer and Hue is still around. You dont need Dorsey if Hue is calling the shots as GM.
Hue has about 7 weeks starting September to save his job before he is calling the Mayflower moving company.
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<<Hey Goolie>>
That's Ghoolie to you
<<Whats going to happen when the Browns start turning heads this season?>>
They have already turned heads. Away that is, from the stench.
<<Dorsey is building quite a team here.>>
Oh, fukck yeah he is. He is continuing the fine tradition of acquiring second tier players and promoting the idea that they are all untapped diamonds in the rough.
<<There already was untapped talent on the roster and the FAs all look to improve the squad. >>
Every team has untapped talent. You dickheads say this each and every year. As if somehow, our untapped talent is miraculously going to contribute more than the untapped talent of the other 31 teams. Seriously, each off-season you guys make up these same goofy fantasy fukcing scenarios in which the Browns are going to gain ground on the opposition because all our sencond-tier players are magically going to contribute and become overachievers. It's bullschidt man. Some really good Veteran QBs came available over the past yer............... the Browns didn't compete for even one of them. And now? Now we have dickweed Taylor? Another guy who jumps around nervously in the pocket like a nipple in a pan full of hot grease? C'mon man. We haven' added one single player that scares anyone.
They should draft Barkley, but they wont. He will go #2.
10If the Browns do nab Barkley, mark me down for 8 wins if you care to bet.
Every team has untapped talent. You dickheads say this each and every year. As if somehow, our untapped talent is miraculously going to contribute more than the untapped talent of the other 31 teams. Seriously, each off-season you guys make up these same goofy fantasy fukcing scenarios in which the Browns are going to gain ground on the opposition because all our sencond-tier players are magically going to contribute and become overachievers. It's bullschidt man. Some really good Veteran QBs came available over the past yer............... the Browns didn't compete for even one of them. And now? Now we have dickweed Taylor? Another guy who jumps around nervously in the pocket like a nipple in a pan full of hot grease? C'mon man. We haven' added one single player that scares anyone.
They should draft Barkley, but they wont. He will go #2.
There are good Brown players that are not reaching or exceeding their potential.
I think that Taylor makes a huge difference on both sides of the ball just not committing so many turnovers. All the vet QBs want big money and longer contracts. That does not fit if youre drafting a QB at #1 and expect him to play and start year 2.
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This is funny, but Taylor is an improvement because of ball security. He is only a temp solution until the new QB is ready.
Boo, when your hand slips off of your Sock and bashes into the shower door when jacking off, do you, after icing down your thumb go right back to jacking off in front of the shower door? Or do you change things up?
RG3 was supposed to be a temp solution.
Tyrod is Black Tarkenton. He has no weapons, and Hue Jackson is not an aggressive play caller. TieRod will be placed into a lot of obvious passing downs, he will be forced out of the pocket, not that he operates out of the pocket, and like RG 3, he is going to get murdered. he "new" QB is going to get thrown into a schidtpile. This is the same schidt over and over.
Boo, when your hand slips off of your Sock and bashes into the shower door when jacking off, do you, after icing down your thumb go right back to jacking off in front of the shower door? Or do you change things up?
RG3 was supposed to be a temp solution.
Tyrod is Black Tarkenton. He has no weapons, and Hue Jackson is not an aggressive play caller. TieRod will be placed into a lot of obvious passing downs, he will be forced out of the pocket, not that he operates out of the pocket, and like RG 3, he is going to get murdered. he "new" QB is going to get thrown into a schidtpile. This is the same schidt over and over.
Are you implkying to try something new?
Like that time you were using that Shell station rest room and couple of overly friendly men in there asked you to join in?
Haley is a down field play caller. The Steelers dont dink and dunk they pass the ball chewing up yardage. You pass to get ahead and run to win. Look at Case Keenum in the Vikings offense? Look at Deshaun Watson in the NE type offense in Houston? Its a chemistry thing like your new pals at the Shell station.
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I'm shocked. Shocked I tell ya.
WSS
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When I read what Hue said about him, I felt kind of sick.
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When I read what Hue said about him, I felt kind of sick.
When I read what Hue said about him, I felt kind of sick.
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Whether you are right or wrong is for others to debate, however, this website makes for quite interesting reading.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/
Looking at the current SB champions Philadelphia, of all teams in the NFL they rank 3rd highest when it comes to spending on their OL and also 3rd highest on their DL.
They are ranked 26th in spending on RB's and dead last, at 32nd, on WR's.
NE spends the least, they have the most SB in the last 12 years. The OL is a waste of money. Paul Brown knew it and only once used a #1 pick for a lardass.
NE spends the least, they have the most SB in the last 12 years. The OL is a waste of money. Paul Brown knew it and only once used a #1 pick for a lardass.
NE has Tom Brady.. ....got him with a 6th round pick.
Paul Brown once used the #1 overall pick to select a QB that stuttered....did not play a down for the Browns....and played in like only 9 games ever in the NFL as a backup.
So...to a very great extent....there is a hell of a lot of luck involved. The Browns have been trying their luck with all kinds of skill players.....but they have had all bad luck.
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This is funny, but Taylor is an improvement because of ball security. He is only a temp solution until the new QB is ready.
Boo, when your hand slips off of your Sock and bashes into the shower door when jacking off, do you, after icing down your thumb go right back to jacking off in front of the shower door? Or do you change things up?
RG3 was supposed to be a temp solution.
Tyrod is Black Tarkenton. He has no weapons, and Hue Jackson is not an aggressive play caller. TieRod will be placed into a lot of obvious passing downs, he will be forced out of the pocket, not that he operates out of the pocket, and like RG 3, he is going to get murdered. he "new" QB is going to get thrown into a schidtpile. This is the same schidt over and over.
Boo, when your hand slips off of your Sock and bashes into the shower door when jacking off, do you, after icing down your thumb go right back to jacking off in front of the shower door? Or do you change things up?
RG3 was supposed to be a temp solution.
Tyrod is Black Tarkenton. He has no weapons, and Hue Jackson is not an aggressive play caller. TieRod will be placed into a lot of obvious passing downs, he will be forced out of the pocket, not that he operates out of the pocket, and like RG 3, he is going to get murdered. he "new" QB is going to get thrown into a schidtpile. This is the same schidt over and over.
Hello! McFly! Is anybody home? Hue won't be calling plays.....Haley will. thank god.
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Based on continuing behavior, the Browns seem set to repeat the same blundering horse-schidt that has produced 1 - 31 during this " This is what a rebuild looks like".
Nobody here can challenge me on my continued statement that the Browns organization purposely abstains from adding top-tier talent. They refuse to participate in acquiring the best QB, WR and RB prospects, shunning the most crucial playmaker positions, for the utilitarian, drone-like OL and DL positions. Additionally, it is not-debateable that Hue Jackson continues to hold all authority when it comes to choosing the QB for the team.
It is clear that Jackson wants a black Tarkenton to run the Browns. He "fell in love" with RG 3, mandated we draft DeShidt Kizer, and now has selected BT3 for our QB.
Will the Browns draft BT4 in 2018? The odds are pretty good that they will. Say Hello to Lamar Jackson. How this comes about? Hard to pinpoint, but the logic is clear.
1) The Browns do not take #1 #1 QBs
2) The Browns believe Carlos Hyde is their answer at RB.....(Love OSU guys, but this guy is a 3d back) They won't do the right thing and take Barkley.
3) The Browns are likely to waste the #1 pick on Chubb, trade down to get BT4, and focus on their fetish of the OL and TL.
In life, you will find that people who win big, risk big. This is not the Browns. Haslam and company have no balls. They are not going to face ridicule for taking risk in the hope of advancing big time. THey play it safe, they don't risk money and they don't risk having to explain their draft picks. Myles Garrett is a prime example. The only reason he was picked #1 is because if he busted, Haslam could point out to the " experts" who all said he was the clear-cut pick. SO. what do we get? A fukcing Zumba instructor who has one move, who goes after the QB every down, albeit with varying degrees of intensity, while the opposition baits him wide and runs inside of him like nobody's business.
And then, there is butter-fingers poosy boy Coleman.
The best Vet QBs have come and gone. ALL OF THEM............. going to teams that repeatedly get to the post-season................ BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT........................THESE QBS WERE NOT FOR US................. YOU SEE.....THE BROWNS ARE DOING THINGS THAT THE OTHER 31 TEAMS ARE TOO FAR BEHIND TO EVEN UNDERSTAND.
The reason that none of the top Vet QBs did not even interview with the Browns is NOT because they would never play in Cleveland, it is because the powers that be in Cleveland are do not have the determination and balls to fundamentally change the losing mentality that will permeate yeat another NFL draft.
Black Tarkenton #3 and Black Tarkenton #4. That's the future. Book it.
Based on continuing behavior, the Browns seem set to repeat the same blundering horse-schidt that has produced 1 - 31 during this " This is what a rebuild looks like".
Nobody here can challenge me on my continued statement that the Browns organization purposely abstains from adding top-tier talent. They refuse to participate in acquiring the best QB, WR and RB prospects, shunning the most crucial playmaker positions, for the utilitarian, drone-like OL and DL positions. Additionally, it is not-debateable that Hue Jackson continues to hold all authority when it comes to choosing the QB for the team.
It is clear that Jackson wants a black Tarkenton to run the Browns. He "fell in love" with RG 3, mandated we draft DeShidt Kizer, and now has selected BT3 for our QB.
Will the Browns draft BT4 in 2018? The odds are pretty good that they will. Say Hello to Lamar Jackson. How this comes about? Hard to pinpoint, but the logic is clear.
1) The Browns do not take #1 #1 QBs
2) The Browns believe Carlos Hyde is their answer at RB.....(Love OSU guys, but this guy is a 3d back) They won't do the right thing and take Barkley.
3) The Browns are likely to waste the #1 pick on Chubb, trade down to get BT4, and focus on their fetish of the OL and TL.
In life, you will find that people who win big, risk big. This is not the Browns. Haslam and company have no balls. They are not going to face ridicule for taking risk in the hope of advancing big time. THey play it safe, they don't risk money and they don't risk having to explain their draft picks. Myles Garrett is a prime example. The only reason he was picked #1 is because if he busted, Haslam could point out to the " experts" who all said he was the clear-cut pick. SO. what do we get? A fukcing Zumba instructor who has one move, who goes after the QB every down, albeit with varying degrees of intensity, while the opposition baits him wide and runs inside of him like nobody's business.
And then, there is butter-fingers poosy boy Coleman.
The best Vet QBs have come and gone. ALL OF THEM............. going to teams that repeatedly get to the post-season................ BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT........................THESE QBS WERE NOT FOR US................. YOU SEE.....THE BROWNS ARE DOING THINGS THAT THE OTHER 31 TEAMS ARE TOO FAR BEHIND TO EVEN UNDERSTAND.
The reason that none of the top Vet QBs did not even interview with the Browns is NOT because they would never play in Cleveland, it is because the powers that be in Cleveland are do not have the determination and balls to fundamentally change the losing mentality that will permeate yeat another NFL draft.
Black Tarkenton #3 and Black Tarkenton #4. That's the future. Book it.
While I am not going to comment on the continued negativity and subpar remarks, you quite obviously contradict yourself. You are complaining thst the Browns never draft a QB #1 overall (yet haven't had that opportunity but three times since restarting I believe and 1 WAS a QB) but then say the Browns need to take Barkley 1 since he is the game changer. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. You see, maybe it's different in your fantasy world, but in real life you can only draft ONE PERSON with a pick. So all you are doing is to set yourself up to complain.
In the past couple months you have had 3 different guys the Browns need to draft, whether you want to lie and say you were joking or what the Browns will do, you have said Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Saquon Barkley. You have also spewed all kinds of hate on Garrett and Coleman, but then say they are worth 2nd pick. AGAIN, CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
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Based on continuing behavior, the Browns seem set to repeat the same blundering horse-schidt that has produced 1 - 31 during this " This is what a rebuild looks like".
Nobody here can challenge me on my continued statement that the Browns organization purposely abstains from adding top-tier talent. They refuse to participate in acquiring the best QB, WR and RB prospects, shunning the most crucial playmaker positions, for the utilitarian, drone-like OL and DL positions. Additionally, it is not-debateable that Hue Jackson continues to hold all authority when it comes to choosing the QB for the team.
It is clear that Jackson wants a black Tarkenton to run the Browns. He "fell in love" with RG 3, mandated we draft DeShidt Kizer, and now has selected BT3 for our QB.
Will the Browns draft BT4 in 2018? The odds are pretty good that they will. Say Hello to Lamar Jackson. How this comes about? Hard to pinpoint, but the logic is clear.
1) The Browns do not take #1 #1 QBs
2) The Browns believe Carlos Hyde is their answer at RB.....(Love OSU guys, but this guy is a 3d back) They won't do the right thing and take Barkley.
3) The Browns are likely to waste the #1 pick on Chubb, trade down to get BT4, and focus on their fetish of the OL and TL.
In life, you will find that people who win big, risk big. This is not the Browns. Haslam and company have no balls. They are not going to face ridicule for taking risk in the hope of advancing big time. THey play it safe, they don't risk money and they don't risk having to explain their draft picks. Myles Garrett is a prime example. The only reason he was picked #1 is because if he busted, Haslam could point out to the " experts" who all said he was the clear-cut pick. SO. what do we get? A fukcing Zumba instructor who has one move, who goes after the QB every down, albeit with varying degrees of intensity, while the opposition baits him wide and runs inside of him like nobody's business.
And then, there is butter-fingers poosy boy Coleman.
The best Vet QBs have come and gone. ALL OF THEM............. going to teams that repeatedly get to the post-season................ BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT........................THESE QBS WERE NOT FOR US................. YOU SEE.....THE BROWNS ARE DOING THINGS THAT THE OTHER 31 TEAMS ARE TOO FAR BEHIND TO EVEN UNDERSTAND.
The reason that none of the top Vet QBs did not even interview with the Browns is NOT because they would never play in Cleveland, it is because the powers that be in Cleveland are do not have the determination and balls to fundamentally change the losing mentality that will permeate yeat another NFL draft.
Black Tarkenton #3 and Black Tarkenton #4. That's the future. Book it.
While I am not going to comment on the continued negativity and subpar remarks, you quite obviously contradict yourself. You are complaining thst the Browns never draft a QB #1 overall (yet haven't had that opportunity but three times since restarting I believe and 1 WAS a QB) but then say the Browns need to take Barkley 1 since he is the game changer. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. You see, maybe it's different in your fantasy world, but in real life you can only draft ONE PERSON with a pick. So all you are doing is to set yourself up to complain.
In the past couple months you have had 3 different guys the Browns need to draft, whether you want to lie and say you were joking or what the Browns will do, you have said Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Saquon Barkley. You have also spewed all kinds of hate on Garrett and Coleman, but then say they are worth 2nd pick. AGAIN, CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
While I am not going to comment on the continued negativity and subpar remarks, you quite obviously contradict yourself. You are complaining thst the Browns never draft a QB #1 overall (yet haven't had that opportunity but three times since restarting I believe and 1 WAS a QB) but then say the Browns need to take Barkley 1 since he is the game changer. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. You see, maybe it's different in your fantasy world, but in real life you can only draft ONE PERSON with a pick. So all you are doing is to set yourself up to complain.
In the past couple months you have had 3 different guys the Browns need to draft, whether you want to lie and say you were joking or what the Browns will do, you have said Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Saquon Barkley. You have also spewed all kinds of hate on Garrett and Coleman, but then say they are worth 2nd pick. AGAIN, CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
Just for the record, the Browns have, in their history, had the #1 overall pick 4 times, and these are the picks:
1954 QB Bobby Garrett, Stanford
1999 QB Tim Couch, Kentucky
2000 DE Courtney Brown Penn St.
2017 DE Myles Garrett Texas A&M
So....two DEs and 2 QBs
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You need skill players to win this game. You need guys that go above and beyond the average and do the extraordinary- putting the team on their back and refuse to be denied.
We will take Barkley #1. Believeland.
I hope you are right. He is a fortune changer. Guys like Barkley make ordinary teammates play better, and give everyone an opportunity to make plays by drawing the attention of the entire opposing game plan. As it is, +9the opposing coaches don't have to plan for schidt.
I hope you are right. He is a fortune changer. Guys like Barkley make ordinary teammates play better, and give everyone an opportunity to make plays by drawing the attention of the entire opposing game plan. As it is, +9the opposing coaches don't have to plan for schidt.
Barkley is a shitty runner on the inside... I foresee a bust in the making.. And No!.. Not one in Canton.
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And, again, just for the record the Browns have chosen, in the first round of the draft over their history, the following positions:
7 Quarterbacks
10 players designated as RBs, FBs, HBs.....in other words...runners (FB was Jim Brown)
10 players designated as WRs, Split Ends, Flankers or just "Ends.
5 Tight Ends
3 OTs
1 OG
5 OCs
3 DTs or NTs
6 DEs
9 LBs (no "inside or outside" designations
12 DBs (one of which: Peppers, was designated as a Safety....the others had no designation)
That is 41 offensive players.....and 30 Defensive players
Breaking down the Offense further, the Browns have drafted:
32 Offensive "skill" players
9 Offensive linemen.
So.....look at it this way:
Offensive skill players have a 6/5 ratio when it comes to the positions on the field on that side of the ball. Yet.....the Browns, in their history, of the offensive players they have drafted in the first round, have an almost 4/1 ratio of taking skill players.....78% to be exact
In fact, of all 22 players on the field.....6 are considered "offensive skill" players....or 21% ....and 16 "non offensive skill" players.
But, of their 71 first round picks since 1950....they have chosen 32 "offensive skill players" or just a bit over 45% of all draftees.
So....bottom line: It is just obtuse for someone to claim that the Browns have not invested in Offensive skill players. They have put an inordinate amount of their resources into offensive skill players.
The problem is that they have just picked the wrong ones that have turned our poorly.
QBs: .....7 first round QBs with names of Bobby Garrett, Harry Agannis, Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, Phipps, Couch. NOT a star QB in the bunch.
TEs:...5 TEs.. a better result: Newsome, Morin, Winslow, Njoku, Hutchinson
RBs: 10 RBs....mixed results: Jim Brown/Metcalf/Mike Pruitt on the good. Richardson/White/Vardell/Green/Johnson/Leroy Jackson/Ken Carpenter......all iffy.
WRs: 10 WRs....more mixed results: Warfield/Collins on the good. Crespino, Kreitling, Carpenter, Holden, Adams, Alexander, Coleman, Edwards...all fairly iffy
Of the 42 offensive skill players......3 have been HOF...highlighted. And FYI.....the only other HOFer they drafted in round one was DE Doug Atkins....whom they traded right away to the Bears.
To repeat: Bottom line: the resources HAVE been put into offensive skill players. The choices have not turned out as well as we should expect.
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And lets do this: lets break this down similarly just since 1999:
24 First round picks:
10 total on Offensive Skill players
4 on Offensive line
10 on Defense.
So...again....remember, Offensive skill players only constitute 6/22 starters. or 21%
The Browns have used 41.66% of their first round picks on offensive skill players. 16.66% on offensive linemen. And another 41.66 pct. on defense.
With these results:
QBs: 4: Couch, Quinn, Weeden, Manziel
RBs: 2: Richardson, Green
WRs: 2: Edwards and Coleman
TEs: 2: Winslow and Njoku
OTs: 1: Joe Thomas
OCs: 3: Jeff Faine, Alex Mack, Cam Erving
DEs: 3: Courtney Brown, Wimbley, Garrett
DTs: 3: Gerard Warren, Phil Taylor, Danny Shelton
LBs: 1: Mingo
DBs: 3: Haden, Gilbert, Peppers.
So....again.....looking at these: it is NOT the number of high draft picks the Browns have employed on offensive skill players....it is the almost complete LACK of quality that they have gotten out of these picks. They maybe got one decent year out of Richardson and Edwards. Maybe a couple out of Couch...and that is IT.
And note: their picks on Defense have been about as bad as their offensive picks...ore worse. Other than Haden, I dont' think a single other player there has made a single Pro Bowl.
Jesus...compare that to their picks on the OL. Three out of 4 of them were quality players. Erving sucked...but the rest were good. IF only the Browns had been able to get a similar ratio out of the multiplicity of picks they used on skill players....this team could perhaps have actually been something.
And their defensive picks may be worse than their offensive picks. Other than Haden not a single Pro Bowl made by any of them....so far. Peppers and Garrett need to show up and shine.
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Heres why the Browns will win with Tyrod.
Kizers best WRs/TEs in 2017 was Devalve at 57% catch rate. All the other WRs/TEs had subpar catch rates. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2017.htm
Njoku 53%
Higgins 54%
Coleman 40%
Lious 44%
Gordon 43%
Williams 50%
When the passing yards per reception got over 10 yards, the passing game went to hell. Crowell 67% and Johnson 80% were the money players in the passing game. Williams did not even do well under 10 yards per reception. Njoku really showed promise and should shine this season. The under 50% crowd has got to improve yesterday and I believe they will with Taylor.
3rd down conversions were horrible at 34% the Browns ranked 28th in the NFL. Extended drives = more receptions = more TDs = wins.
Taylor not only had RBs post great catch rates but WRs/TEs as well. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2017.htm
McCoy 77%
Tolbert 82%
Cadet 81%
I cannot stress enough how important the 66% catch rate is. We already know that Taylor is accurate and IF the Browns WRs/TEs can post numbers close to these my analysis will come to fruition.
Thompson 53%
Clay 66%
Jones 36%
Mathews 69%
Oleary 69%
Benjamin 59%
Holmes 59%
Taylors Bills ranked 6th in the NFL on 3rd down at 42%. All these small details add up to be something big.
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If Dorsey picked Lamar Jackson then I would buy into the BT4.
But he wont.
Dorsey is not picking the QB. Dorsey answers to Hue Jackson, Hue has the ear of Haslam. That's just how it is.
Dorsey is not picking the QB. Dorsey answers to Hue Jackson, Hue has the ear of Haslam. That's just how it is.
^^^ Troll alert. Hue is fetching Dorsey's coffee- you just haven't gotten the message through your fat head yet. 3-5 or worse at the halfway point, Jackson is bye-bye.
1) Hue wanted to trade a second and third round pick for McCarron, and he wound up where?
2) "Hue- "trust me on Kessler"" bye bye. Interesting Dorsey kept his guy- Hogan, and kicked Cody out the door for a bucket of BW3 wings, deliverable in 2019.
I could go on, but that's plenty enough proof that Hue has minimal influence on what Dorsey decides to do. Wolf, Highsmith, along with Scot McCloughan- consultant for draft- have 10X the say of Hueless the Clueless.
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While I am not going to comment on the continued negativity and subpar remarks, you quite obviously contradict yourself. You are complaining thst the Browns never draft a QB #1 overall (yet haven't had that opportunity but three times since restarting I believe and 1 WAS a QB) but then say the Browns need to take Barkley 1 since he is the game changer. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. You see, maybe it's different in your fantasy world, but in real life you can only draft ONE PERSON with a pick. So all you are doing is to set yourself up to complain.
In the past couple months you have had 3 different guys the Browns need to draft, whether you want to lie and say you were joking or what the Browns will do, you have said Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Saquon Barkley. You have also spewed all kinds of hate on Garrett and Coleman, but then say they are worth 2nd pick. AGAIN, CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
Just for the record, the Browns have, in their history, had the #1 overall pick 4 times, and these are the picks:
1954 QB Bobby Garrett, Stanford
1999 QB Tim Couch, Kentucky
2000 DE Courtney Brown Penn St.
2017 DE Myles Garrett Texas A&M
So....two DEs and 2 QBs
Just for the record, the Browns have, in their history, had the #1 overall pick 4 times, and these are the picks:
1954 QB Bobby Garrett, Stanford
1999 QB Tim Couch, Kentucky
2000 DE Courtney Brown Penn St.
2017 DE Myles Garrett Texas A&M
So....two DEs and 2 QBs
All Sheet, save 1954.
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Dorsey is not picking the QB. Dorsey answers to Hue Jackson, Hue has the ear of Haslam. That's just how it is.
^^^ Troll alert. Hue is fetching Dorsey's coffee- you just haven't gotten the message through your fat head yet. 3-5 or worse at the halfway point, Jackson is bye-bye.
1) Hue wanted to trade a second and third round pick for McCarron, and he wound up where?
2) "Hue- "trust me on Kessler"" bye bye. Interesting Dorsey kept his guy- Hogan, and kicked Cody out the door for a bucket of BW3 wings, deliverable in 2019.
I could go on, but that's plenty enough proof that Hue has minimal influence on what Dorsey decides to do. Wolf, Highsmith, along with Scot McCloughan- consultant for draft- have 10X the say of Hueless the Clueless.
^^^ Troll alert. Hue is fetching Dorsey's coffee- you just haven't gotten the message through your fat head yet. 3-5 or worse at the halfway point, Jackson is bye-bye.
1) Hue wanted to trade a second and third round pick for McCarron, and he wound up where?
2) "Hue- "trust me on Kessler"" bye bye. Interesting Dorsey kept his guy- Hogan, and kicked Cody out the door for a bucket of BW3 wings, deliverable in 2019.
I could go on, but that's plenty enough proof that Hue has minimal influence on what Dorsey decides to do. Wolf, Highsmith, along with Scot McCloughan- consultant for draft- have 10X the say of Hueless the Clueless.
Mcarron was not on Hue's radar long. He wanted him, the Browns bloew it, Hue moved on. Hue likes Black Tarkentons, Dokey DOES NOT.............all the great FA QBs have come and gone.... AGAIN............... we got the fukcker NOBODY wanted. TIE ROD.....................
Hue Jackson still calls the shots. Haslam is afraid of being called a racist, that's how people are in TN, the over-compensate for blacks. Make no mistake, We got black Tarkenton because THAT is what Hue, THE BOSS waned. Dorsey is a coffee fetcher.
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Based on continuing behavior, the Browns seem set to repeat the same blundering horse-schidt that has produced 1 - 31 during this " This is what a rebuild looks like".
Nobody here can challenge me on my continued statement that the Browns organization purposely abstains from adding top-tier talent. They refuse to participate in acquiring the best QB, WR and RB prospects, shunning the most crucial playmaker positions, for the utilitarian, drone-like OL and DL positions. Additionally, it is not-debateable that Hue Jackson continues to hold all authority when it comes to choosing the QB for the team.
It is clear that Jackson wants a black Tarkenton to run the Browns. He "fell in love" with RG 3, mandated we draft DeShidt Kizer, and now has selected BT3 for our QB.
Will the Browns draft BT4 in 2018? The odds are pretty good that they will. Say Hello to Lamar Jackson. How this comes about? Hard to pinpoint, but the logic is clear.
1) The Browns do not take #1 #1 QBs
2) The Browns believe Carlos Hyde is their answer at RB.....(Love OSU guys, but this guy is a 3d back) They won't do the right thing and take Barkley.
3) The Browns are likely to waste the #1 pick on Chubb, trade down to get BT4, and focus on their fetish of the OL and TL.
In life, you will find that people who win big, risk big. This is not the Browns. Haslam and company have no balls. They are not going to face ridicule for taking risk in the hope of advancing big time. THey play it safe, they don't risk money and they don't risk having to explain their draft picks. Myles Garrett is a prime example. The only reason he was picked #1 is because if he busted, Haslam could point out to the " experts" who all said he was the clear-cut pick. SO. what do we get? A fukcing Zumba instructor who has one move, who goes after the QB every down, albeit with varying degrees of intensity, while the opposition baits him wide and runs inside of him like nobody's business.
And then, there is butter-fingers poosy boy Coleman.
The best Vet QBs have come and gone. ALL OF THEM............. going to teams that repeatedly get to the post-season................ BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT........................THESE QBS WERE NOT FOR US................. YOU SEE.....THE BROWNS ARE DOING THINGS THAT THE OTHER 31 TEAMS ARE TOO FAR BEHIND TO EVEN UNDERSTAND.
The reason that none of the top Vet QBs did not even interview with the Browns is NOT because they would never play in Cleveland, it is because the powers that be in Cleveland are do not have the determination and balls to fundamentally change the losing mentality that will permeate yeat another NFL draft.
Black Tarkenton #3 and Black Tarkenton #4. That's the future. Book it.
While I am not going to comment on the continued negativity and subpar remarks, you quite obviously contradict yourself. You are complaining thst the Browns never draft a QB #1 overall (yet haven't had that opportunity but three times since restarting I believe and 1 WAS a QB) but then say the Browns need to take Barkley 1 since he is the game changer. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. You see, maybe it's different in your fantasy world, but in real life you can only draft ONE PERSON with a pick. So all you are doing is to set yourself up to complain.
In the past couple months you have had 3 different guys the Browns need to draft, whether you want to lie and say you were joking or what the Browns will do, you have said Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Saquon Barkley. You have also spewed all kinds of hate on Garrett and Coleman, but then say they are worth 2nd pick. AGAIN, CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
While I am not going to comment on the continued negativity and subpar remarks, you quite obviously contradict yourself. You are complaining thst the Browns never draft a QB #1 overall (yet haven't had that opportunity but three times since restarting I believe and 1 WAS a QB) but then say the Browns need to take Barkley 1 since he is the game changer. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. You see, maybe it's different in your fantasy world, but in real life you can only draft ONE PERSON with a pick. So all you are doing is to set yourself up to complain.
In the past couple months you have had 3 different guys the Browns need to draft, whether you want to lie and say you were joking or what the Browns will do, you have said Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Saquon Barkley. You have also spewed all kinds of hate on Garrett and Coleman, but then say they are worth 2nd pick. AGAIN, CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
DUDE................. get your head out of you poosy. I haven't contradicted myself AT ALL........... NOT EVEN MOTHER FUKCING CLOSE
Let me spell it for you again............................
I said the Browns need to get Barkley, The QB they want most, AND the BEST WR in this draft.
To do that, they need to pick either #1, #2 and #5........................... OR # 1 #2 and #5.
I spelled out CLEARLY, that if all they do is pick 1 &4, they will make up no ground on anyone. I porpose that they trade the 2019 #1 pick, and couple Coleman and Garrett to get a high fisrst round this year................. Now, how do they wind up with 1,2, 4 (5)? A couple ways. Use the #4 and Coleman or Garret to move into #2, or use those two jackoffs with next years #1 to get there. Perhaps use the second round pick in there.
Take Barkley #1, your favorite QB #2, and WR at #4
As it is, Hue Jackson is going to trade the #4 down to get Lamar Jackson. Make no mistake, yet another black Tarkenton is coming to schidt town.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
And lets do this: lets break this down similarly just since 1999:
24 First round picks:
10 total on Offensive Skill players
4 on Offensive line
10 on Defense.
So...again....remember, Offensive skill players only constitute 6/22 starters. or 21%
The Browns have used 41.66% of their first round picks on offensive skill players. 16.66% on offensive linemen. And another 41.66 pct. on defense.
With these results:
QBs: 4: Couch, Quinn, Weeden, Manziel
RBs: 2: Richardson, Green
WRs: 2: Edwards and Coleman
TEs: 2: Winslow and Njoku
OTs: 1: Joe Thomas
OCs: 3: Jeff Faine, Alex Mack, Cam Erving
DEs: 3: Courtney Brown, Wimbley, Garrett
DTs: 3: Gerard Warren, Phil Taylor, Danny Shelton
LBs: 1: Mingo
DBs: 3: Haden, Gilbert, Peppers.
So....again.....looking at these: it is NOT the number of high draft picks the Browns have employed on offensive skill players....it is the almost complete LACK of quality that they have gotten out of these picks. They maybe got one decent year out of Richardson and Edwards. Maybe a couple out of Couch...and that is IT.
And note: their picks on Defense have been about as bad as their offensive picks...ore worse. Other than Haden, I dont' think a single other player there has made a single Pro Bowl.
Jesus...compare that to their picks on the OL. Three out of 4 of them were quality players. Erving sucked...but the rest were good. IF only the Browns had been able to get a similar ratio out of the multiplicity of picks they used on skill players....this team could perhaps have actually been something.
And their defensive picks may be worse than their offensive picks. Other than Haden not a single Pro Bowl made by any of them....so far. Peppers and Garrett need to show up and shine.
And lets do this: lets break this down similarly just since 1999:
24 First round picks:
10 total on Offensive Skill players
4 on Offensive line
10 on Defense.
So...again....remember, Offensive skill players only constitute 6/22 starters. or 21%
The Browns have used 41.66% of their first round picks on offensive skill players. 16.66% on offensive linemen. And another 41.66 pct. on defense.
With these results:
QBs: 4: Couch, Quinn, Weeden, Manziel
RBs: 2: Richardson, Green
WRs: 2: Edwards and Coleman
TEs: 2: Winslow and Njoku
OTs: 1: Joe Thomas
OCs: 3: Jeff Faine, Alex Mack, Cam Erving
DEs: 3: Courtney Brown, Wimbley, Garrett
DTs: 3: Gerard Warren, Phil Taylor, Danny Shelton
LBs: 1: Mingo
DBs: 3: Haden, Gilbert, Peppers.
So....again.....looking at these: it is NOT the number of high draft picks the Browns have employed on offensive skill players....it is the almost complete LACK of quality that they have gotten out of these picks. They maybe got one decent year out of Richardson and Edwards. Maybe a couple out of Couch...and that is IT.
And note: their picks on Defense have been about as bad as their offensive picks...ore worse. Other than Haden, I dont' think a single other player there has made a single Pro Bowl.
Jesus...compare that to their picks on the OL. Three out of 4 of them were quality players. Erving sucked...but the rest were good. IF only the Browns had been able to get a similar ratio out of the multiplicity of picks they used on skill players....this team could perhaps have actually been something.
And their defensive picks may be worse than their offensive picks. Other than Haden not a single Pro Bowl made by any of them....so far. Peppers and Garrett need to show up and shine.
The Shmucking OL is made up of lard butt, dime-a-dozen tools. YOu can find these jackoffs in the local porn shop.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
While I am not going to comment on the continued negativity and subpar remarks, you quite obviously contradict yourself. You are complaining thst the Browns never draft a QB #1 overall (yet haven't had that opportunity but three times since restarting I believe and 1 WAS a QB) but then say the Browns need to take Barkley 1 since he is the game changer. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. You see, maybe it's different in your fantasy world, but in real life you can only draft ONE PERSON with a pick. So all you are doing is to set yourself up to complain.
In the past couple months you have had 3 different guys the Browns need to draft, whether you want to lie and say you were joking or what the Browns will do, you have said Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Saquon Barkley. You have also spewed all kinds of hate on Garrett and Coleman, but then say they are worth 2nd pick. AGAIN, CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
DUDE................. get your head out of you poosy. I haven't contradicted myself AT ALL........... NOT EVEN MOTHER FUKCING CLOSE
Let me spell it for you again............................
I said the Browns need to get Barkley, The QB they want most, AND the BEST WR in this draft.
To do that, they need to pick either #1, #2 and #5........................... OR # 1 #2 and #5.
I spelled out CLEARLY, that if all they do is pick 1 &4, they will make up no ground on anyone. I porpose that they trade the 2019 #1 pick, and couple Coleman and Garrett to get a high fisrst round this year................. Now, how do they wind up with 1,2, 4 (5)? A couple ways. Use the #4 and Coleman or Garret to move into #2, or use those two jackoffs with next years #1 to get there. Perhaps use the second round pick in there.
Take Barkley #1, your favorite QB #2, and WR at #4
As it is, Hue Jackson is going to trade the #4 down to get Lamar Jackson. Make no mistake, yet another black Tarkenton is coming to schidt town.
Take Barkley #1, your favorite QB #2, and WR at #4
So you think it's more important to draft a RB #1 than a QB?
Do you realize that you sound just like PoeticG? - I want you to think about that for a minute.....
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