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Wonderlic score and qb performance

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  • A Ashtabula wrote on last edited by Ashtabula
    #1

    Do you guys buy into wonderlic scores?

    Allen scored the highest of all top5 prospect:

    Allen  37

    Rosen 29

    Darnold 28

    Mayfield 25

    Jackson 13

    Historically bad score:

    Vince young  6

    By this score Allen is the smartest and puts Rosen and Darnold about the same.   With Jackson, there's a definite red flag.  Your thoughts?

    https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/Bolt/Wonderlic-scores-revealed-for-top-QB-prospects-in-2018-NFL-Draft-116830596

  • L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Lamar not doing much for the stereotypes here...

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
    #3

    Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 49 and Dan Marino a 16. Dummies can still make it if the skill is there. 

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
    #4

    Vick at least had a 20. I think Jackson ball parking the athleticism of Vick is about where the comparison stops. 

    Mumble mouth is doing himself no favors. This and not running the 40 are going to keep sinking him lower into the draft.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #5

    No one that matters in the draft process gives a Sheet about a Wonderlic score. If they think a guy is an idiot, it will come from 1 on 1 meetings with them. 

  • Lamar not doing much for the stereotypes here...

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by MLD Woody
    #6

    @londonbrown said:

    Lamar not doing much for the stereotypes here...

    Kap - 38

    Akili Smith - 37

    Hopefully that helped go the other way

    Actually, there are some real interesting scores scrolling through it right now

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #7

    well...I think it's more about HOW you learn, than that you were smart enough to learn.

    Some people learn by activity/doing, more than reading, some learn by reading more.

    I suppose a balanced combination of the two would be good. Maybe mentally multi-tasking

    makes the difference.

  • darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
    #8

    What did Johnny get ?

  • What did Johnny get ?

    Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
    #9

    @darren15 said:

    What did Johnny get ?

    He blew a 2.8

    Z

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #10

    I reported this elsewhere.....while the NFL may still be administering the Wonderlic.....I think they are relying on it less and less....and have developed an alternative test:

    n 2013, the NFL implemented a new psychological test called the NFL Player Assessment Test (NFL-PAT) which measures a wide range of competencies required for success as a player including intelligence as well as personality and motivational factors (e.g., drive, stress tolerance, team orientation). All players attending the National Invitational Combine in Indianapolis from 2013-2016 have been administered the test in order to provide psychological scores to all NFL clubs for use when drafting players. A three-year validation study has recently been completed that demonstrates that the NFL-PAT test scores significantly correlate with player performance outcomes. This presentation reviews the results of the study and discusses how psychological tests like the NFL-PAT can provide additional critical data that can be used in sports analytics to predict performance outcomes.

    http://www.sloansportsconference.com/content/nfl-player-assessment-test-using-psychological-tests-predict-player-performance-nfl/

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #11

    It's been shown that there's no "higher is better" correlation for the Wonderlic.

    There is an indication that the probability of NFL success increase with tests scores above a certain threshold, often stated as 25. But as someone showed with Marino above it's not absolute.

    At it's core the Wunderlic is less of an intelligence or knowledge test than it is a discipline and concentration test.

  • It's been shown that there's no "higher is better" correlation for the Wonderlic.

    There is an indication that the probability of NFL success increase with tests scores above a certain threshold, often stated as 25. But as someone showed with Marino above it's not absolute.

    At it's core the Wunderlic is less of an intelligence or knowledge test than it is a discipline and concentration test.

    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
    #12

    @tour2ma said:

    It's been shown that there's no "higher is better" correlation for the Wonderlic.

    There is an indication that the probability of NFL success increase with tests scores above a certain threshold, often stated as 25. But as someone showed with Marino above it's not absolute.

    At it's core the Wunderlic is less of an intelligence or knowledge test than it is a discipline and concentration test.

    I know nothing of the Wunderlic & it's make up, but could it be used as an "aptitude test", showing varying degrees of strength in a variety of areas?

    Mike

  • @darren15 said:

    What did Johnny get ?

    He blew a 2.8

    Z

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
    #13

    Zombo said:

    He blew a 2.8

    Z

    🙂 YES!! Now it's A Good Friday..thanks Z

  • PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
    #14

    Kevin Hogan has a wonderlic score of 38! Daaamn! 

  • 7 7moses7 wrote on last edited by
    #15

    Stormy Daniels has 38DD

  • Kevin Hogan has a wonderlic score of 38! Daaamn! 

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #16

    @poeticg said:

    Kevin Hogan has a wonderlic score of 38! Daaamn! 

    Quarterback rating is also 38....  Damn....

  • Kevin Hogan has a wonderlic score of 38! Daaamn! 

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #17

    @poeticg said:

    Kevin Hogan has a wonderlic score of 38! Daaamn! 

    More proof that a high Wonderlic score guarantees nothing beyond being a guy months away from being cut by the worst team in the NFL?

  • @poeticg said:

    Kevin Hogan has a wonderlic score of 38! Daaamn! 

    More proof that a high Wonderlic score guarantees nothing beyond being a guy months away from being cut by the worst team in the NFL?

    PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
    #18

    @dutch-oven said:

    More proof that a high Wonderlic score guarantees nothing beyond being a guy months away from being cut by the worst team in the NFL?

    Yeah keep dreaming Nostrildumbass...

  • @dutch-oven said:

    More proof that a high Wonderlic score guarantees nothing beyond being a guy months away from being cut by the worst team in the NFL?

    Yeah keep dreaming Nostrildumbass...

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #19

    @poeticg said:

    Yeah keep dreaming Nostrildumbass...

    Well, there's Taylor... and there's Drew Stanton, who the Browns signed to a 2 year contract... and the Browns will take a QB with the #1 overall pick... so....

  • @poeticg said:

    Yeah keep dreaming Nostrildumbass...

    Well, there's Taylor... and there's Drew Stanton, who the Browns signed to a 2 year contract... and the Browns will take a QB with the #1 overall pick... so....

    PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
    #20

    @dutch-oven said:

    Well, there's Taylor... and there's Drew Stanton, who the Browns signed to a 2 year contract... and the Browns will take a QB with the #1 overall pick... so....

    Hogan is the incumbent right now, like it or not. He's been here the longest. You don't know what Haley may see in Hogan- Hue may have said that Taylor is the starter but Hogan will get the chance to prove himself. I'm not concerned about Drew Stanton. He's insurance to ensure our rookie QB, whoever it is, doesn't see the field. We may carry 4 QBs. Taylor, Hogan, Stanton/Draft Pick.