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  • @dutch-oven said:

    More proof that a high Wonderlic score guarantees nothing beyond being a guy months away from being cut by the worst team in the NFL?

    Yeah keep dreaming Nostrildumbass...

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @poeticg said:

    Yeah keep dreaming Nostrildumbass...

    Well, there's Taylor... and there's Drew Stanton, who the Browns signed to a 2 year contract... and the Browns will take a QB with the #1 overall pick... so....

  • @poeticg said:

    Yeah keep dreaming Nostrildumbass...

    Well, there's Taylor... and there's Drew Stanton, who the Browns signed to a 2 year contract... and the Browns will take a QB with the #1 overall pick... so....

    PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Well, there's Taylor... and there's Drew Stanton, who the Browns signed to a 2 year contract... and the Browns will take a QB with the #1 overall pick... so....

    Hogan is the incumbent right now, like it or not. He's been here the longest. You don't know what Haley may see in Hogan- Hue may have said that Taylor is the starter but Hogan will get the chance to prove himself. I'm not concerned about Drew Stanton. He's insurance to ensure our rookie QB, whoever it is, doesn't see the field. We may carry 4 QBs. Taylor, Hogan, Stanton/Draft Pick. 

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    He's only known as PoeticG because TenaciousD was already taken...

  • @tour2ma said:

    It's been shown that there's no "higher is better" correlation for the Wonderlic.

    There is an indication that the probability of NFL success increase with tests scores above a certain threshold, often stated as 25. But as someone showed with Marino above it's not absolute.

    At it's core the Wunderlic is less of an intelligence or knowledge test than it is a discipline and concentration test.

    I know nothing of the Wunderlic & it's make up, but could it be used as an "aptitude test", showing varying degrees of strength in a variety of areas?

    Mike

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @canton-mike said:

    I know nothing of the Wunderlic & it's make up, but could it be used as an "aptitude test", showing varying degrees of strength in a variety of areas?

    Don't know that, Mike...

    I do know there are results inferred from many common tests given by schools and companies, e.g., IQ from "preference tests", so it would not surprise me if there were for the Wonderlic.

  • He's only known as PoeticG because TenaciousD was already taken...

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    He's only known as PoeticG because TenaciousD was already taken...

    PatheticG is really starting to catch on, though... 

  • @tour2ma said:

    It's been shown that there's no "higher is better" correlation for the Wonderlic.

    There is an indication that the probability of NFL success increase with tests scores above a certain threshold, often stated as 25. But as someone showed with Marino above it's not absolute.

    At it's core the Wunderlic is less of an intelligence or knowledge test than it is a discipline and concentration test.

    I know nothing of the Wunderlic & it's make up, but could it be used as an "aptitude test", showing varying degrees of strength in a variety of areas?

    Mike

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @canton-mike said:

    I know nothing of the Wunderlic & it's make up, but could it be used as an "aptitude test", showing varying degrees of strength in a variety of areas?

    Mike

    There's sample tests out there Mike, if you care to try it. I did, won't mention my score, but it correlates pretty well with what my IQ was measured at way back in high school.  Part of it is the time factor- take away that, most college grads would be in the 40+ score range. Some of the math problems require actual thought. OTOH, what month is between August and October?  

    Trust me, if you scored below a ten, you'd be in the now politically correct term- "mentally challenged".  If you've had several years of college and scored much below a 20, it probably means most of your courses were phys Ed, or creative basket weaving. 

  • @canton-mike said:

    I know nothing of the Wunderlic & it's make up, but could it be used as an "aptitude test", showing varying degrees of strength in a variety of areas?

    Mike

    There's sample tests out there Mike, if you care to try it. I did, won't mention my score, but it correlates pretty well with what my IQ was measured at way back in high school.  Part of it is the time factor- take away that, most college grads would be in the 40+ score range. Some of the math problems require actual thought. OTOH, what month is between August and October?  

    Trust me, if you scored below a ten, you'd be in the now politically correct term- "mentally challenged".  If you've had several years of college and scored much below a 20, it probably means most of your courses were phys Ed, or creative basket weaving. 

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    There's sample tests out there Mike, if you care to try it. I did, won't mention my score, but it correlates pretty well with what my IQ was measured at way back in high school.  Part of it is the time factor- take away that, most college grads would be in the 40+ score range. Some of the math problems require actual thought. OTOH, what month is between August and October?  

    Trust me, if you scored below a ten, you'd be in the now politically correct term- "mentally challenged".  If you've had several years of college and scored much below a 20, it probably means most of your courses were phys Ed, or creative basket weaving. 

    I may try to do just one just for fun. But I almost never had exams in test format throughout high school or college and I wonder if that will accept the result?

  • @hoorta said:

    There's sample tests out there Mike, if you care to try it. I did, won't mention my score, but it correlates pretty well with what my IQ was measured at way back in high school.  Part of it is the time factor- take away that, most college grads would be in the 40+ score range. Some of the math problems require actual thought. OTOH, what month is between August and October?  

    Trust me, if you scored below a ten, you'd be in the now politically correct term- "mentally challenged".  If you've had several years of college and scored much below a 20, it probably means most of your courses were phys Ed, or creative basket weaving. 

    I may try to do just one just for fun. But I almost never had exams in test format throughout high school or college and I wonder if that will accept the result?

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @nero said:

    I may try to do just one just for fun. But I almost never had exams in test format throughout high school or college and I wonder if that will accept the result?

    The one thing about doing the Wonderlic online is that you cannot easily skip any question requiring computation and/or thought, and go back to it later.

    Plus if your internet connection goes balky at times during the test you're effed...

  • Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 49 and Dan Marino a 16. Dummies can still make it if the skill is there. 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
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    @logicisforsquares said:

    Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 49 and Dan Marino a 16. Dummies can still make it if the skill is there. 

    Precisely!  The Wunderlic is just 1 assessment.  NFL teams are also looking to the chalk board and interview discussions to further evaluate if there's a football intellect worth investing in.   

    For a guy with a Wunderlic score that could lead those that overvalue it to question how quickly he's going to GET it (if ever) - has anyone seen a QB turn in a better rookie season than Dan Marino since 1983?  Shula got this QB at #27 overall; and I don't think he ever asked his HOF QB to use a #2 pencil on the field even once. This was the ONLY QB the 85 Bears Defense didn't have any solutions for.  Poor Buddy Ryan probably felt like he was going against Rain Man in Vegas as Marino identified the areas with favorable numbers/matchups he exploited with accuracy all night long.

    Jim Kelly only scored a 15.  Here's a QB that was smart enough to call his own plays while orchestrating a highly efficient "No Huddle Offense" to 4 consecutive AFC Championship Wins/Superbowl appearances. It's hard to imagine any of that was possible throughout his HOF career without a very good football IQ.

  • B boo fagley wrote on last edited by
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    Lots of great players scored low. http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

    Ray Lewis 13, Torry Holt 11, Randy Moss 12, Eric Moulds 11, Darrelle Revis 10.

    Carlos Hyde was a 9

    Terrelle Pryor a 7

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Quite a list of QBs there...

  • 7 7moses7 wrote on last edited by
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    Pryor is not great

  • Lots of great players scored low. http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

    Ray Lewis 13, Torry Holt 11, Randy Moss 12, Eric Moulds 11, Darrelle Revis 10.

    Carlos Hyde was a 9

    Terrelle Pryor a 7

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by hoorta
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    @boo-fagley said:

    Lots of great players scored low. http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

    Ray Lewis 13, Torry Holt 11, Randy Moss 12, Eric Moulds 11, Darrelle Revis 10.

    Carlos Hyde was a 9

    Terrelle Pryor a 7

    Anyone that would sell his Buckeye Memorabilia for tattoo money is probably a 7. Ditto his lack of acumen dealing in contract matters.   🙂  

    @tour2ma said:

    Quite a list of QBs there...

    Yeah- but the original proposition was for QBs under a 20, proceed with caution...   Perusing the list- Ghoolie's hero Paxton Lynch 18, Vince Young 6.  

  • W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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    I was trying to find the video clip of Richard Pryor doing the bit on Leon Spinks. You remember? People be saying brother Leon is stupid. How smart do he have to be? Hey Brother Leon, what do you do? 

    "I knock motherfukers out."

    WSS