From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This thought just occurred to me as being the summation of why I cannot get behind Allen...
Collegiate QB prospects are far more likely to fail down than they are to fail up.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/960169194372452352
Mike Clay@MikeClayNFLWorst final FBS season off-target rates among top QB prospects last 3 years:
Josh Allen 16.3%
DeShone Kizer 14.5%
Jeff Driskel 14.4%
Connor Cook 13.5%
C Hackenberg 13.4%Worst final FBS season off-target rates among top QB prospects last 3 years: Josh Allen 16.3% DeShone Kizer 14.5% Jeff Driskel 14.4% Connor Cook 13.5% C Hackenberg 13.4%
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so, AGAIN...it's getting boring with the hate. from your own link:
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redzone @Covertwo81 13h13 hours ago
Replying to @MikeClayNFLAllen's last 5 games-10 TDs, 0 interceptions and the bad play by the other 3 qbs last game, and his poor supporting cast, lack of short passes & shotgun to pad stats like the others. Players improve & he changed mechanics & improved.
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kizer played at NOTRE DAME. doesn't see the field.
driskel played at FLORIDA and LOUISIANA TECH
connor cook played at MICHIGAN STATE
hackenburg played at PENN STATE
who were their wr's? offensive line? te's? running backs? type of offense?
Allen took little Wyoming to two bowl games on his shoulders.
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so, AGAIN...it's getting boring with the hate. from your own link:
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redzone @Covertwo81 13h13 hours ago
Replying to @MikeClayNFLAllen's last 5 games-10 TDs, 0 interceptions and the bad play by the other 3 qbs last game, and his poor supporting cast, lack of short passes & shotgun to pad stats like the others. Players improve & he changed mechanics & improved.
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kizer played at NOTRE DAME. doesn't see the field.
driskel played at FLORIDA and LOUISIANA TECH
connor cook played at MICHIGAN STATE
hackenburg played at PENN STATE
who were their wr's? offensive line? te's? running backs? type of offense?
Allen took little Wyoming to two bowl games on his shoulders.
so, AGAIN...it's getting boring with the hate. from your own link:
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redzone @Covertwo81 13h13 hours ago
Replying to @MikeClayNFLAllen's last 5 games-10 TDs, 0 interceptions and the bad play by the other 3 qbs last game, and his poor supporting cast, lack of short passes & shotgun to pad stats like the others. Players improve & he changed mechanics & improved.
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kizer played at NOTRE DAME. doesn't see the field.
driskel played at FLORIDA and LOUISIANA TECH
connor cook played at MICHIGAN STATE
hackenburg played at PENN STATE
who were their wr's? offensive line? te's? running backs? type of offense?
Allen took little Wyoming to two bowl games on his shoulders.
Facts don't have opinions. 2+2 = 4 is not up for debate. Allen performed that way. His accuracy never got better from highschool all the way through college and he was the common denominator. I don't hate him. I would just prefer the Browns not be the one to try and move mountains for Allen so he can reach a skill level that he has never been able to achieve at any level of football. Why chance that at 1 or 4?
I don't see any tangible evidence that a QB dramatically gets better after being average against high school and college competition.
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I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
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I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
A good athlete playing at a rinky dink school is also playing against talent from other rinky dink schools. Single A ball is single A ball from school to school. I know. I played Single A ball. A few guys who went on to play D-II football looked like world beaters at that level.
If grandma had balls, she would be grandpa. I don’t give a hot sh-it about Rosen. He has his own issues and pluses.
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I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
Thanks JB. the wife went to Miami, and we live a couple country roads up the way from Oxford in Dayton. Saw plenty of Ben at Miami, and he was dominant there with crazy stats. Cal's trying to spew crap Ben's Miami teams were way superior. If he doesn't like Ben, we can give him Joe Flacco at Delaware State 23 TD, 5 INT, 63 completion%. Allen didn't dominate the Mountain West. It's apples to apples- Josh might have been playing with inferior teammates- but he was also playing against inferior competition. Couldn't even win MW Offensive player of the year- that honor went to Rasaad Penny, a guy more than a few here want us to draft- he DID dominate at the Mountain West level. Paying attention Cal?
Some team is going to fall in love with his rocket launcher arm- I just hope it isn't us.
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I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
I went to Kent. You can't argue jack nothin. Kent was a doormat to Miami way back in the day. Rapistbooger went to a MAC powerhouse.
Miami has won 22 conference titles, 18 outright and four shared. [124]
Look below at their conference records historically, idiot. Rapistbooger went to the best MAC school in the conference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_RedHawks_football
All-time win-loss-tie record
- 651–395–44 (.617)
Conference football championships
Miami has won 22 conference titles, 18 outright and four shared. [124]
† denotes co-champion
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so, jblew, you went there - you should have known that. But thanks for stepping in a cowpie.
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It's funny, all the mock drafts, reporters, etc. out there say it's Darnold going away...but I just can't help but feel as though it's going to be Allen. There are moments when I believe he could grow into the man, but then I am so risk adverse at the qb position, that I feel as though Darnold is the right call. The more I think about it, the more I really believe the browns are going to draft Allen as their qb of the future.
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The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
I went to Kent. You can't argue jack nothin. Kent was a doormat to Miami way back in the day. Rapistbooger went to a MAC powerhouse.
Miami has won 22 conference titles, 18 outright and four shared. [124]
Look below at their conference records historically, idiot. Rapistbooger went to the best MAC school in the conference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_RedHawks_football
All-time win-loss-tie record
- 651–395–44 (.617)
Conference football championships
Miami has won 22 conference titles, 18 outright and four shared. [124]
† denotes co-champion
I went to Kent. You can't argue jack nothin. Kent was a doormat to Miami way back in the day. Rapistbooger went to a MAC powerhouse.
That statement right there shows how desperate your argument has become. If you think that any football team in the MAC conference is a football powerhouse, you are on the verge of senility.
Face the facts: this whole meandering thread of yours is nothing but an attempt by you to fit a square peg into a round hole by trying to make Josh Allen out to be a better QB prospect than Josh Rosen, not because of superior skills or athletic merit, but simply because you can't stand the political viewpoints of Rosen. Its that simple; I know it, and everyone else who's debated your horsesh.it logic in this thread knows it too. You seem to be the only one who wants to continue to live in Wonderland, Alice.
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jblew sissy translation:
"well, der, blah blah blah blah blah, whine, scratch, blah, blah blah stupid stuff..."
look, anybody on this entire board can see the truth - Miami won all those titles over all those years,
and only ONCE did they lose two games in a season.
Meanwhile, at Kent:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kent_State_Golden_Flashes_football_seasons
They only had three good seasons in a long time.
1954
1972
and 2012.
Yep - rapistbooger sure had some good stats vs Kent State.
idiot.
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I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
For shizzle...
How can a kid be top of the draft when he isn't near the top of his own conference?
Mountain West Player Passing Statistics - 2017
In order of Completion Percentage...
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Kent Myers, QB USU 124 197 62.9 1278 6.5 49 8 7 21 123.7 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 4 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 5 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 6 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 7 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 8 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 9 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 10 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 11 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 Eighth out of 11? How 'bout Yards per Attempt?
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 4 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 5 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 6 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 7 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 8 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 9 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 10 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 11 Kent Myers, QB USU 124 197 62.9 1278 6.5 49 8 7 21 123.7 Oops... wrong direction. Maybe Rating?
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 4 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 5 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 6 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 7 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 8 Kent Myers, QB USU 124 197 62.9 1278 6.5 49 8 7 21 123.7 9 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 10 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 11 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 YES! Top seven... time to call it a day.
Anyone know if Brett Rypien is Mark's son? Kid might have some promise.
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so, jblew, you went there - you should have known that. But thanks for stepping in a cowpie.
so, jblew, you went there - you should have known that. But thanks for stepping in a cowpie.
Yeah- nice try knocking Miami down when Ben was there. All those championships- only 2003 his junior year. 2001 and 2002 it was Toledo and Marshall.
Still Cal- outside of Ben's junior year when they did have a good team- incidentally he completed 69% of his passes. BTW, that was an improvement from 63% his sophomore year.That's another world compared to Allen's 56%. BTW, I looked up Miami's leaders from that 13-1 year, and I didn't notice any names other than Ben who made a dent in the NFL. JB is right- saying Allen had inferior surrounding talent isn't much of an excuse for a poor completion%. It's the same BS of anyone saying Mayfield's gaudy completion% is only due to him having superior surrounding talent.
You had better hope that with better coaching he can improve his accuracy, but the odds say he probably won't be able to. What I most fear is Hue hypnotizing Dorsey and Haslam with the mantra- I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him.
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