From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
-
Good tweet to leave in summary...
Jordan ZirmVerified account @clevezirm
as we continue to debate Josh Allen, my mind always comes back to this blurb from the excellent
@BenjaminSolak
9:33 AM - 5 Apr 2018"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Tour - you have just been treated to the equivalent of a twitter storm from a desperate man needing to convince that a turd is not really a turd, it's just great fertilizer.
-
Peter Kind is a far more excellent source than Tour's alterego
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/4/3/17193310/peter-king-links-josh-allen-to-browns-nfl-draft
MMQB’s Peter King switched on the rumor mill, links Josh Allen to Browns
The Cleveland Browns aren’t likely to pass taking a quarterback with the first overall pick, and now a John Dorsey-adjacent source thinks Josh Allen is the selection.
By Andrea Hangst Apr 3, 2018, 1:24pm EDTCount the MMQB’s Peter King among the speculators. In this week’s column, he provided insight on the Browns’ plans for the No. 1 pick, and he’s landed on one prospective pro passer: Oh yes, it’s Wyoming’s Josh Allen.
According to King, some degree of friend of Browns general manager John Dorsey believes that Dorsey’s plans are to take Allen at No. 1 (and Penn State running back Saquon Barkley at No. 4). This “Friend of Dorsey,” as King termed it, reportedly said, “I would be surprised if he traded down... This would be his chance to take his two offensive cornerstones for the next eight or 10 years.”
-
lol... my ego is unaltered... and a source close to Dorsey should know, not think...
Even Hue knows the truth of it...
But Jackson said last week -- and has said before -- that although a quarterback can improve fundamentally, he usually is what he is when it comes to completion percentage.
"I think you said it, you never feel like that that's something that you can just totally fix," Jackson said. "I think you can help improve it, but fix it, that's kind of hard to do. But at the same time, I watched him improve with some fundamentals that he needed to work on to give himself a chance to be more accurate."
Also from the article:
- Allen also did not have a high percentage of passes dropped. Wyoming's 4.2 drop percentage was barely higher than the national average of 4.1 and less than UCLA's 6.3 for Rosen.
- Pro Football Focus' analytics and stats show that Allen's 56 percent number had little to do with the talent around him. PFF reports that Allen completed just 13 of 42 passes thrown downfield (more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage) and 1-of-13 when throwing deep to the right. PFF eliminated drops, spikes, balls knocked down and throws affected by the pass rush, and Allen completed 65.7 percent, which ranked 86th in the country. He was 51.4 percent against pressure (79th) and 71.8 percent from a "clean" pocket (72nd).
- Football Outsiders is another analytics site that has developed its own metric, which is called QBase, and it has been accurate in predicting how a quarterback will transfer to the NFL. Allen receives the lowest grade by far of the top draftable quarterbacks, and the site calls his arm "a howitzer without a target."
Then there's...
The Sub-60 Percent Club
Quarterbacks drafted in the past 10 years (Rounds 1-3) who had a career completion rate below 60 percent in college:
Year Player College Pct. Pro Pct. NFL W-L and status * - has not played; **- six passes Note: Dolphins' Pat White not included because he was drafted as WildDawg quarterback 2016 Christian Hackenberg 56.1 NP* 0-0, with Jets 2016 Jacoby Brissett 59.5 59.2 4-12, with Colts 2011 Jake Locker 54.0 57.5 9-14, out of league 2011 Colin Kaepernick 58.2 59.7 28-30, out of league 2011 Ryan Mallett 57.8 55.1 3-5, unsigned free agent 2009 Matt Stafford 57.1 62.0 60-65, Lions starter 2009 Josh Freeman 59.1 57.6 25-36, out of league 2008 Matt Ryan 59.9 64.9 96-63, Falcons starter 2008 Chad Henne 59.7 58.3 18-35, Chiefs backup 2008 Kevin O'Connell 57.7 66.7** 0-0, out of league "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
eh.
Penn State
NC State/Florida
U. of Washington
Nevada
Michigan/Arkansas
Georgia
Kansas State
Boston College
Michigan
San Diego State
********************************
Thanks for making my point for me. See, every single of those qb's you listed, Tour - was from a far bigger school, except for
little San Diego State. And, from 2010 to 2017, every year San Diego went to a Bowl game. So, they were a well established winner.
Not only did Allen carry Wyoming on his shoulders to two bowl games while they struggled previously, you should note that from your own list, Stafford improved his completion percentage from 57 to 62, Matt Ryan improved 59.9 to 64.9, and O'Connell improved from college, 57.7 to 66.7 in the pros. HAHAHA. That's funny. So it HAS been done. There ya go. THANKS !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Diego_State_Aztecs_bowl_games
-
He doesn’t throw with great timing or anticipation, and his arm is so strong that he can make up for it. The thing that he has to learn how to do is learn how to play the position where he can layer throws.”
Why is he even in the discussion for #1 overall?
-
eh.
Penn State
NC State/Florida
U. of Washington
Nevada
Michigan/Arkansas
Georgia
Kansas State
Boston College
Michigan
San Diego State
********************************
Thanks for making my point for me. See, every single of those qb's you listed, Tour - was from a far bigger school, except for
little San Diego State. And, from 2010 to 2017, every year San Diego went to a Bowl game. So, they were a well established winner.
Not only did Allen carry Wyoming on his shoulders to two bowl games while they struggled previously, you should note that from your own list, Stafford improved his completion percentage from 57 to 62, Matt Ryan improved 59.9 to 64.9, and O'Connell improved from college, 57.7 to 66.7 in the pros. HAHAHA. That's funny. So it HAS been done. There ya go. THANKS !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_San_Diego_State_Aztecs_bowl_games
O'Connell improved from college, 57.7 to 66.7 in the pros. HAHAHA. That's funny. So it HAS been done. There ya go. THANKS !
If you would have taken 1/8th of a second, you would have seen that O'Connell's improvement from college was based on six pro passes.
-
He doesn’t throw with great timing or anticipation, and his arm is so strong that he can make up for it. The thing that he has to learn how to do is learn how to play the position where he can layer throws.”
Why is he even in the discussion for #1 overall?
-
He doesn’t throw with great timing or anticipation, and his arm is so strong that he can make up for it. The thing that he has to learn how to do is learn how to play the position where he can layer throws.”
Why is he even in the discussion for #1 overall?
He doesn’t throw with great timing or anticipation, and his arm is so strong that he can make up for it. The thing that he has to learn how to do is learn how to play the position where he can layer throws.”
Why is he even in the discussion for #1 overall?
gee, go ask all those "experts" that have him going #1 overall. I didn't tell em to do it.
-
lol... my ego is unaltered... and a source close to Dorsey should know, not think...
Even Hue knows the truth of it...
But Jackson said last week -- and has said before -- that although a quarterback can improve fundamentally, he usually is what he is when it comes to completion percentage.
"I think you said it, you never feel like that that's something that you can just totally fix," Jackson said. "I think you can help improve it, but fix it, that's kind of hard to do. But at the same time, I watched him improve with some fundamentals that he needed to work on to give himself a chance to be more accurate."
Also from the article:
- Allen also did not have a high percentage of passes dropped. Wyoming's 4.2 drop percentage was barely higher than the national average of 4.1 and less than UCLA's 6.3 for Rosen.
- Pro Football Focus' analytics and stats show that Allen's 56 percent number had little to do with the talent around him. PFF reports that Allen completed just 13 of 42 passes thrown downfield (more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage) and 1-of-13 when throwing deep to the right. PFF eliminated drops, spikes, balls knocked down and throws affected by the pass rush, and Allen completed 65.7 percent, which ranked 86th in the country. He was 51.4 percent against pressure (79th) and 71.8 percent from a "clean" pocket (72nd).
- Football Outsiders is another analytics site that has developed its own metric, which is called QBase, and it has been accurate in predicting how a quarterback will transfer to the NFL. Allen receives the lowest grade by far of the top draftable quarterbacks, and the site calls his arm "a howitzer without a target."
Then there's...
The Sub-60 Percent Club
Quarterbacks drafted in the past 10 years (Rounds 1-3) who had a career completion rate below 60 percent in college:
Year Player College Pct. Pro Pct. NFL W-L and status * - has not played; **- six passes Note: Dolphins' Pat White not included because he was drafted as WildDawg quarterback 2016 Christian Hackenberg 56.1 NP* 0-0, with Jets 2016 Jacoby Brissett 59.5 59.2 4-12, with Colts 2011 Jake Locker 54.0 57.5 9-14, out of league 2011 Colin Kaepernick 58.2 59.7 28-30, out of league 2011 Ryan Mallett 57.8 55.1 3-5, unsigned free agent 2009 Matt Stafford 57.1 62.0 60-65, Lions starter 2009 Josh Freeman 59.1 57.6 25-36, out of league 2008 Matt Ryan 59.9 64.9 96-63, Falcons starter 2008 Chad Henne 59.7 58.3 18-35, Chiefs backup 2008 Kevin O'Connell 57.7 66.7** 0-0, out of league lol... my ego is unaltered... and a source close to Dorsey should know, not think...
Even Hue knows the truth of it...
But Jackson said last week -- and has said before -- that although a quarterback can improve fundamentally, he usually is what he is when it comes to completion percentage.
"I think you said it, you never feel like that that's something that you can just totally fix," Jackson said. "I think you can help improve it, but fix it, that's kind of hard to do. But at the same time, I watched him improve with some fundamentals that he needed to work on to give himself a chance to be more accurate."
Also from the article:
- Allen also did not have a high percentage of passes dropped. Wyoming's 4.2 drop percentage was barely higher than the national average of 4.1 and less than UCLA's 6.3 for Rosen.
- Pro Football Focus' analytics and stats show that Allen's 56 percent number had little to do with the talent around him. PFF reports that Allen completed just 13 of 42 passes thrown downfield (more than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage) and 1-of-13 when throwing deep to the right. PFF eliminated drops, spikes, balls knocked down and throws affected by the pass rush, and Allen completed 65.7 percent, which ranked 86th in the country. He was 51.4 percent against pressure (79th) and 71.8 percent from a "clean" pocket (72nd).
- Football Outsiders is another analytics site that has developed its own metric, which is called QBase, and it has been accurate in predicting how a quarterback will transfer to the NFL. Allen receives the lowest grade by far of the top draftable quarterbacks, and the site calls his arm "a howitzer without a target."
Then there's...
The Sub-60 Percent Club
Quarterbacks drafted in the past 10 years (Rounds 1-3) who had a career completion rate below 60 percent in college:
Year Player College Pct. Pro Pct. NFL W-L and status * - has not played; **- six passes Note: Dolphins' Pat White not included because he was drafted as WildDawg quarterback 2016 Christian Hackenberg 56.1 NP* 0-0, with Jets 2016 Jacoby Brissett 59.5 59.2 4-12, with Colts 2011 Jake Locker 54.0 57.5 9-14, out of league 2011 Colin Kaepernick 58.2 59.7 28-30, out of league 2011 Ryan Mallett 57.8 55.1 3-5, unsigned free agent 2009 Matt Stafford 57.1 62.0 60-65, Lions starter 2009 Josh Freeman 59.1 57.6 25-36, out of league 2008 Matt Ryan 59.9 64.9 96-63, Falcons starter 2008 Chad Henne 59.7 58.3 18-35, Chiefs backup 2008 Kevin O'Connell 57.7 66.7** 0-0, out of league Great presentation, sound reasoning and excellent use of examples.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
If you would have taken 1/8th of a second, you would have seen that O'Connell's improvement from college was based on six pro passes.
LOL-therefore 4 completed passes with the 66.7% round-up..
-
He doesn’t throw with great timing or anticipation, and his arm is so strong that he can make up for it. The thing that he has to learn how to do is learn how to play the position where he can layer throws.”
Why is he even in the discussion for #1 overall?
gee, go ask all those "experts" that have him going #1 overall. I didn't tell em to do it.
-
If you would have taken 1/8th of a second, you would have seen that O'Connell's improvement from college was based on six pro passes.
LOL-therefore 4 completed passes with the 66.7% round-up..
LOL-therefore 4 completed passes with the 66.7% round-up..
It's almost impressive how consistently inept cal is.
-
-
Possibly a bridge QB who improved his accuracy,who’s to say Allen can’t improve his accuracy after working on it and sitting and learning the pro game for a year
-
If you would have taken 1/8th of a second, you would have seen that O'Connell's improvement from college was based on six pro passes.
LOL-therefore 4 completed passes with the 66.7% round-up..
LOL-therefore 4 completed passes with the 66.7% round-up..
so, you rosen groupies are saying that if a qb throws a lot more passes, his accuracy improves? LOL
you said a qb never improves in accuracy when he goes to the pros. So, that isn't true. NOW the feeble comeback is he didn't throw many passes. Ok, riddle the rest of the board with this:
Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Fresno State 511 865 59.1 7631 8.8 8.9 53 22 148.3 *1991 Fresno State Big West QB 9 69 109 63.3 832 7.6 6.8 2 3 128.0 *1992 Fresno State WAC QB 13 188 360 52.2 3000 8.3 7.8 21 14 133.7 *1993 Fresno State WAC QB 12 254 396 64.1 3799 9.6 10.5 30 5 167.2
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login