NFL Exec says THIS scenario where Browns trade out of one isn’t crazy
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When have the pats ever I repeat ever moved up lot alone in the first round to get a QB the answer is never. So that tells me how good Sam Donald is why would you give him away give them the fourth pack and get there first and second. Otherwise this will be another Cleveland move.
When have the pats ever I repeat ever moved up lot alone in the first round to get a QB the answer is never. So that tells me how good Sam Donald is why would you give him away give them the fourth pack and get there first and second. Otherwise this will be another Cleveland move.
Sam Donald? or his son?
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Well, there’s a lot of smoke we’re taking Allen. And if you read between the lines, it’s looking pretty clear.
While Darnold is still working out with other teams, Josh Allen was just hanging out at the Masters. If the Browns wanted Darnold, do you think they’d let him workout with other teams and risk injury? No way, these players are multimillion dollar investments. Even the Jets, who pick at 3, just scheduled a workout with Darnold. They probably didn’t before because they just assumed we were taking Darnold at 1...
Meanwhile, have we seen Josh Allen visiting and working out for any teams recently? The Browns probably told Allen “We’re taking you at 1, no more workouts. Just relax until the draft”
That's a thing?
If a player is so fragile that hurts himself in a workout... ala Teddy B in a non-contact, practice drill... then I'd consider that knowledge a pick saving plus.
That's a thing?
If a player is so fragile that hurts himself in a workout... ala Teddy B in a non-contact, practice drill... then I'd consider that knowledge a pick saving plus.
Absolutely it’s a thing. These are million dollar investments. You’re not going to let your prom date go hang out with other guys 3 weeks before the prom.
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Zombo said:
This the best draft ever to just STAY PUT...
We have the pick of the litter of a QB-rich draft at #1. (we didn't clear the QB room and trade for a one year veteran to "see who's available at 4")
I assume Giants are going QB or trading out with someone going QB ... so it goes QB1 QB2 QB3 ...
We get the BPA at #4.
Who gets the top QB prospect and the top all-around prospect in the same year? We do.
Zombo
Hopefully,,,,,so.....who do you think that other guy should be?
Hopefully,,,,,so.....who do you think that other guy should be?
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
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Hopefully,,,,,so.....who do you think that other guy should be?
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
Yes we can. Just take Allen.
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Hopefully,,,,,so.....who do you think that other guy should be?
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
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Zombo said:
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
I actually think that Garrett NEEDS Chubb....in order to have the impact the he was 'supposed' to have when we drafted him. (I guess I'm suggesting that Garrett isn't quite what he was cracked up to be)
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That's a thing?
If a player is so fragile that hurts himself in a workout... ala Teddy B in a non-contact, practice drill... then I'd consider that knowledge a pick saving plus.
Absolutely it’s a thing. These are million dollar investments. You’re not going to let your prom date go hang out with other guys 3 weeks before the prom.
Absolutely it’s a thing. These are million dollar investments. You’re not going to let your prom date go hang out with other guys 3 weeks before the prom.
if she is the whore that i think she is then who cares as long as i get mine
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Absolutely it’s a thing. These are million dollar investments. You’re not going to let your prom date go hang out with other guys 3 weeks before the prom.
if she is the whore that i think she is then who cares as long as i get mine
if she is the whore that i think she is then who cares as long as i get mine
Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
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if she is the whore that i think she is then who cares as long as i get mine
Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
A blade of grass ended LeCharles Bentley's NFL career.
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Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
A blade of grass ended LeCharles Bentley's NFL career.
A blade of grass ended LeCharles Bentley's NFL career.
i was so po'd .
.and not here to feel more pain
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Hopefully,,,,,so.....who do you think that other guy should be?
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
Hmmmm.... check out Tour's "Inside Info" post Z. If that's true- Gipper's POV just might be right. If the FO, Coaches, and scouts are fragmented three ways between Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield- just could be they say screw it, take Chubb at #1, and one of the three will be there for sure at #4...... Personally- assuming as everyone does, we take a QB at #1, we'll know who had the final say.
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if she is the whore that i think she is then who cares as long as i get mine
Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
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Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Teddy Twatwater almost had his leg fall off, and Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. Both were non contact.If you’ve identified a guy that you want to be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, you’re gonna let him go workout with other teams and risk that?
Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
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Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
Don't you think that if that was a thing, the Browns could tell 7 different prospects "we are taking you #1" just so other teams don't have private workouts with them? That would favor the #4 pick by the Browns.
If you cannot guarantee something, you don't make a deal. And you cannot guarantee #1pick to any prospect.
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Yup... and you know what? Unless I sign him pre-draft there's not a damn thing I can do to stop him.
But I repeat... if he pops an ACL running drills on a manicured field in a work out, I'd rather know that pre-draft. Then I'd have a talk with my Medical staff and find out what they missed and why... and if they expect him to recover during the year I was going to sit him anyway.
Worst case... I get my 15-year guy at least a round later... and can finally justify taking Kurt Benkert as well.
If you tell a guy, “Hey, we’re taking you #1. Don’t work out for any teams, just lay low.” The kid is going to listen. He’s going to start on a good foot with his new team. Why would he waste time doing pointless workouts with teams he won’t be with? Doesn’t make sense.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
I'll interject this as one of old the old guys- way back then, ACLs just got referred to as "trick knees" you can walk- or even play on them. Granted nowhere near as common. Brings me to my point regarding weight training. Torn pectoral muscles were unheard of back in the '60s. Muscle strength exceeds insertion point.
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If he didn’t do the pointless workout with teams who won’t be able to draft him, he’d never have popped an ACL. Most ACL tears have nothing to do with genetic dispositions (with the rare exception of RG3 because of knee valgus), it’s just bad luck. Athletes’ quadriceps and hamstrings are so strong nowadays, too strong for the tendons and ligaments that they’re attached to. Alas, ACL tears run rampant among athletes these days.
I'll interject this as one of old the old guys- way back then, ACLs just got referred to as "trick knees" you can walk- or even play on them. Granted nowhere near as common. Brings me to my point regarding weight training. Torn pectoral muscles were unheard of back in the '60s. Muscle strength exceeds insertion point.
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Zombo said:
I'm a Darnold and Barkley guy.
Don't know what the Browns are thinking, but it would be a pairing of:
Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen
and
Barkley, Chubb
Unless I am missing something.
I think Quenton Nelson is out because we have a ton of money locked up at Guard, and the DBs and LBs are tantalizing, but I don't think they are the game changers that Chubb and Barkley are.
So we are getting our clear favorite, vetted by our extensive personnel staff, QB and we're either lining up Chubb opposite of Garrett or adding the best RB prospect in years to our backfield.
Can't blow this ... can we?
Zombo
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
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Not sure the browns would just say screw it and draft Chubb #1. They know the value of these qb's and if they really are willing to put the fate of their qb in other teams hands, they are going to trade down with either the Jets or the Broncos. Besides, it would ABSOLUTELY astound me if they don't have a consensus by the time the draft rolls around. Sure, there maybe a handful of guys in the scouting room who like qb x vs qb y, but that's always going to happen in a draft where there are 4 legit prospects all with question marks. But if it is 1a and 1b, then the browns will make a decision.
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In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
I just don't see it.
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