Landry to sign extension
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The Cleveland Browns added a slot receiver that defenses love when they acquired Jarvis Landry from the Miami Dolphins.
Fans and media alike declared the Cleveland Browns back upon seeing the news that the Browns traded for Jarvis Landry from the Miami Dolphins. The Browns valiantly fended off the Baltimore Ravens and no one else for the services of a slot receiver that puts up a lot of empty calories, but doesn’t make a meaningful difference for a team.
Landry has caught 400 passes over his first four seasons and made the Pro Bowl three times. These are impressive feats, but there’s a reason they have happened and it’s not because Landry is a great receiver. It’s largely because it’s a winning formula for the other team.
A defensive staff is preparing to take on the Browns for the week. Right away they have to figure out how to account for Josh Gordon. He’s a gamebreaker that is a threat to score on almost any play. David Njoku is a 250-pound tight end that runs like a gazelle. If they don’t account for him, he can break a big play and score. Duke Johnson is a matchup problem who’s really dangerous after the catch.
Who’s worried about Landry in the slot? No one. Herein lies the problem. Landry officially becomes the least athletic skill player on the team. Less athletic than Dan Vitale, the team’s fullback. Less athletic than Tyrod Taylor, the team’s new starting quarterback.
So even if Landry catches the ball, he’s not really a threat after the catch, averaging 5.1 yards yards after the catch per reception over his career. Factoring in the fact his overall average per reception is 10, that means Landry is catching the ball basically five yards past the line of scrimmage.
A defense can have a linebacker or slot corner take care of that effectively. Or just drop into a soft zone and then tackle him after he catches it. Unless he goes deeper down the field, he’s not a huge concern. There is quite literally no one a defense would rather have with the ball in their hands, because he is the least threatening.
They have to stop Gordon, make sure Njoku is accounted for, deal with players like Duke and Coleman, even if it’s just a single player matching up on them. Teams will let Landry catch the ball, because he’s not threatening. They don’t want to let him run free, but they’ll let him catch a five yard pass and then tackle him short of the first down.
For his career, 54.5 percent of the time Landry catches the ball, he gets a first down. By comparison, Seth DeValve has converted 65 percent of his receptions for first downs in his first two seasons. He does that while being almost 40 pounds heavier, more athletic and averaging more per reception.
Just by the numbers, if a defense plays good run defense and makes sure no one else kills them in the passing game, they’re going to get off the field basically in two sets of downs. Landry piles up numbers over the course of the game, which look good on a stat sheet, but mean little in terms of impacting the game, because the opponent is happy to let him get the ball and just tackle him, forcing them to punt it away.
In games Landry led the Dolphins in receiving yards, they notched a 7-15 over the course of his four year career. Their overall record over that span is 30-35, so they are 23-20 in games where anyone else leads the team in receiving yards. It’s a simple formula. Make Landry beat you.
No defensive coordinator is worried about Landry. As long as teams are throwing the ball to Landry, they aren’t throwing the ball to difference makers that can actually win the game, can force the offense to punt the ball away and ultimately win the game. Landry gets a trip to Hawaii and the team ends up going 5-11.
Meanwhile, quarterbacks want to complete passes. So when Gordon or Njoku are covered but might have opportunities, the quarterback may just go ahead and complete the sure thing in the wide open Landry underneath that gets tackled short of the sticks. It looks good on his stat sheet. Unfortunately, the offense goes nowhere. It’s a trap and most quarterbacks will fall into it.
Landry is getting paid just shy of $16 million to be the guy no one fears this season. In a vacuum, it’s as unimportant as the money paid to Brock Osweiler last year, but there should be zero talk of a contract extension. Landry would be a fool to take an extension to get paid what he’s actually worth. That would mean the Browns are prepared to give him about $10 million per year, which is utterly insane for what he’s actually doing.
The best case scenario for the Cleveland Browns is that Landry plays out this year, racks up a ton of yardage and goes to the Pro Bowl again. At that point, the Browns let him walk and some other team gives him the contact they’ll regret the Browns are hopefully too smart to offer. The Browns effectively get back what they paid to get to obtain Landry in the form of compensatory picks that can be used for more useful pieces to the team. If that’s the plan, it’s a brilliant one, but in the mean time, Jarvis Landry is the type of player that will put up numbers, but won’t win games.
An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
While I "get" the article... if Ds are going to let Landry have 5-yard passes, then I'll take two and move the chains.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
While I "get" the article... if Ds are going to let Landry have 5-yard passes, then I'll take two and move the chains.
While I "get" the article... if Ds are going to let Landry have 5-yard passes, then I'll take two and move the chains.
Well....they give him 5 yards...then he takes another 5.1.....and moves the chain on just one. 10.1 ypc average
FIRST DOWN
FIRST DOWN
FIRST DOWN
112 TIMES LAST YEAR. How many first downs did the entire Browns team get all year?
In checking....the entire Browns team got 254 first downs, rushing and receiving (not including penalties)
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Duke can now go back to doing what he does: be a running back.
I mean...I truly do NOT give one shite about the fuyucking money.....why should you? As long as the money the FO is using gets us productive players...who cares?
What I see are multiple threats.....Duke, Landry, Njoku doing interior duty. Gordon and Coleman doing exterior duty. Putting weapons all over the field....and hopefully having a couple of competent QBs feeding these weapons.
Duke hasn't been used much as a RB since he has been here, we should be using him in the Landry role.
Landry has good numbers because other teams let him catch the ball, he isn't much of a threat at all. This is a horrible deal for the Browns.
Duke hasn't been used much as a RB since he has been here, we should be using him in the Landry role.
I do agree with this. We have not maximized Duke's impact the way he has been used.
Kid still has the prettiest catch of anyone since he's been on the roster not involving use of body parts other than those called "hands".
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Duke hasn't been used much as a RB since he has been here, we should be using him in the Landry role.
I do agree with this. We have not maximized Duke's impact the way he has been used.
Kid still has the prettiest catch of anyone since he's been on the roster not involving use of body parts other than those called "hands".
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I think all of us expected to overpay some players in order to keep them in the dumpster fire Cleveland has been lately. In 2 or 3 years we can cut him.
The more the weapons, the better.
I think all of us expected to overpay some players in order to keep them in the dumpster fire Cleveland has been lately. In 2 or 3 years we can cut him.
The more the weapons, the better.
We traded for him
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We traded for him
True, but still would expect to have to cough up a premium to keep him.
He hasn't even had time to learn to love us as Collins did in a similar trade/sign situation.
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We traded for him
A forth and a seven to put ourselves in the top of negotiations is a fair price, mostly when we have a thousand of picks and already the youngest roster in the league.
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Fair enough guys. I really don’t see this deal as any good but let’s hope I’m proven very wrong.
It wouldn’t be a first.
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Just in time attitude adjustment or the Honey badger be after you...
Tyrann MathieuVerified account @Mathieu_Era
Tyrann Mathieu Retweeted Ian Kenyon
SO!!!! What!!!!! He is more than a guy who catches footballs. They are paying for passion, energy, attitude... things that many offenses don't have! Not everyone appreciates the big plays, we respect the plays that receivers fear to make. Like blocking a LB/ safety or a DE!
Ian KenyonVerified account @IanKenyonNFLJarvis Landry just got 5/75 for having 987 yards on 160 targets.9:11 AM - 12 Apr 2018"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Just in time attitude adjustment or the Honey badger be after you...
Tyrann MathieuVerified account @Mathieu_Era
Tyrann Mathieu Retweeted Ian Kenyon
SO!!!! What!!!!! He is more than a guy who catches footballs. They are paying for passion, energy, attitude... things that many offenses don't have! Not everyone appreciates the big plays, we respect the plays that receivers fear to make. Like blocking a LB/ safety or a DE!
Ian KenyonVerified account @IanKenyonNFLJarvis Landry just got 5/75 for having 987 yards on 160 targets.9:11 AM - 12 Apr 2018Just in time attitude adjustment or the Honey badger be after you...
Tyrann MathieuVerified account @Mathieu_Era
Tyrann Mathieu Retweeted Ian Kenyon
SO!!!! What!!!!! He is more than a guy who catches footballs. They are paying for passion, energy, attitude... things that many offenses don't have! Not everyone appreciates the big plays, we respect the plays that receivers fear to make. Like blocking a LB/ safety or a DE!
Ian KenyonVerified account @IanKenyonNFLJarvis Landry just got 5/75 for having 987 yards on 160 targets.9:11 AM - 12 Apr 2018What would that guy know about football?...
woka woka!
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No matter how you cut it, this team will have to overpay to get and to retain talent until they can prove they are a winning destination. There is a reason why jobs have to pay more to attract employees to unappealing locations. Make the spot more appealing and you don’t have to potentially overpay.
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two things First after we traded for him people were very concerned that he was on the last year of his deal and if he would sign on with us on a long term contract now that he has people bitch about the money he got (side note i think it is funny he got paid before obj) second from what i have heard he is a leader in the locker room something we sorely need(Gordon.coleman) and he is pictured as a wines hard type player and as much success as he had you would not pay for that kind of production from him ? OH here's a third since Gordons 2015 season when was the last time we had a receiver that could catch a first down on a regular basis ?
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I like it. Nice little safety blanket with playmaking ability. Signing him makes him happy and should get him to fully commit to his craft and not have to worry about his money from.this point forward. I guess I would be wanting to argue over a contract offer to an actual star than arguing over minimal contracts given out to The Bargain Bin guys. Guess the FO can't make everybody happy
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If you say we have to overpay then you're admitting we overpaid, which is my issue...
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I just ain't going to worry about what they pay an actual star for a team that never has any
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Five years $75.5m with $47m guaranteed
Pretty speechless, doesn't score TD's and is a slot receiver, they can be found anywhere including in our building with Duke Johnson.
Five years $75.5m with $47m guaranteed
Pretty speechless, doesn't score TD's and is a slot receiver, they can be found anywhere including in our building with Duke Johnson.
Landry was tied for 4th in the league with several other guys for most touchdowns last year. He also has decent hands, (nice drop Coleman with the game on the line) and not afraid to go over the middle. Know baseball isn't a big thing in Europe, but you need the singles hitter (Landry) to go with the home run threat (Gordon). He was the top WR available either by trade or FA at the start of the league year. If you want talent, you have to pay for it.
Regarding overpaid- sure if that's all you're looking at... not crazy overpaid, if you're looking at the WR pay scale. OBJ will blow that out of the water when he comes off his rookie contract... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/wide-receiver/
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Plus this contract will be coming off the books right about the time that you're going to have to pay a franchise quarterback. Might as well spend that money now on a proven guy.
Looking over his stats There's real argument that there is not a better receiver in the league between the 20s
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Five years $75.5m with $47m guaranteed
Pretty speechless, doesn't score TD's and is a slot receiver, they can be found anywhere including in our building with Duke Johnson.
Landry was tied for 4th in the league with several other guys for most touchdowns last year. He also has decent hands, (nice drop Coleman with the game on the line) and not afraid to go over the middle. Know baseball isn't a big thing in Europe, but you need the singles hitter (Landry) to go with the home run threat (Gordon). He was the top WR available either by trade or FA at the start of the league year. If you want talent, you have to pay for it.
Regarding overpaid- sure if that's all you're looking at... not crazy overpaid, if you're looking at the WR pay scale. OBJ will blow that out of the water when he comes off his rookie contract... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/wide-receiver/
Landry was tied for 4th in the league with several other guys for most touchdowns last year. He also has decent hands, (nice drop Coleman with the game on the line) and not afraid to go over the middle. Know baseball isn't a big thing in Europe, but you need the singles hitter (Landry) to go with the home run threat (Gordon). He was the top WR available either by trade or FA at the start of the league year. If you want talent, you have to pay for it.
Regarding overpaid- sure if that's all you're looking at... not crazy overpaid, if you're looking at the WR pay scale. OBJ will blow that out of the water when he comes off his rookie contract... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/wide-receiver/
Plus this contract will be coming off the books right about the time that you're going to have to pay a franchise quarterback. Might as well spend that money now on a proven guy.
Looking over his stats There's real argument that there is not a better receiver in the league between the 20s
You've both definitely got me looking a little more positively at it
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