Landry to sign extension
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No matter how you cut it, this team will have to overpay to get and to retain talent until they can prove they are a winning destination. There is a reason why jobs have to pay more to attract employees to unappealing locations. Make the spot more appealing and you don’t have to potentially overpay.
No matter how you cut it, this team will have to overpay to get and to retain talent until they can prove they are a winning destination. There is a reason why jobs have to pay more to attract employees to unappealing locations. Make the spot more appealing and you don’t have to potentially overpay.
This is the part people and the media don't seem to wrap your head around. I get that we traded for Landry, but we couldn't hold a gun to his head to sign a contract beyond his franchise tag. The Browns had $100 million dollars to spend to bring in quality players. Between that and the dumpster fire of the past decade, you aren't gonna sign guys here without overpaying. It's really not rocket science.
Yeah, Landry isn't gonna be catching balls out of the sky like Megatron. But he's been a legit top caliber WR for a team devoid of talent.
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An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
While I "get" the article... if Ds are going to let Landry have 5-yard passes, then I'll take two and move the chains.
While I "get" the article... if Ds are going to let Landry have 5-yard passes, then I'll take two and move the chains.
That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
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That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
C'mon man - you really think Duke is as good as Landry in the slot? wow.
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That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
you have pretty much Sheet on every move we have made this year you sure you are not related to ghoulie ?
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That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
you have pretty much Sheet on every move we have made this year you sure you are not related to ghoulie ?
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That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
C'mon man - you really think Duke is as good as Landry in the slot? wow.
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no you should open your eyes
Ask KC fans how much Dorsey paid Maclin and Bowe and Maclin was arguably worth it. Landry isn’t.
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Ask KC fans how much Dorsey paid Maclin and Bowe and Maclin was arguably worth it. Landry isn’t.
wow we have a receiver who will not drop the ball when was the last time we had one of those ? as far as money i would take the chiefs record and being up against the cap any day of the week compared to what i have watched since 99
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ya can't agree to argue on something that is not finalized.
(or can we?)..A) He was bound to get paid.we took the 1st step. B.) better to pay Odel's little brother at LSU, before King Odel gets paid, imo. C.) Does this send a message to Gordon looking a deal next season? (it should) D.) I dare teams to keep trying to cover this guy in zone coverage..clearly they can't.. Congrats & welcome aboard Jarvis Landry..
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We are paying him more than Julio Jones to be a possession receiver in the slot?
Something Duke can do just as well and has far more after catch ability, there is no way he is worth this money.Antonio Brown set the bar for WR. OBJ wants more. Julio Jones will be re-upped. We get a four time pro bowl WR, and now guys want to bitch we're paying him too much.
Antonio Brown set the bar for WR. OBJ wants more. Julio Jones will be re-upped. We get a four time pro bowl WR, and now guys want to bitch we're paying him too much.
We obviously have some of the most negative, crybaby bitching machines on this board that I've ever witnessed. I wonder if they have appreciated ANYTHING in their entire lives.
Mike
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Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
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Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
it's just that your opinion is so far out in left field it has left the ballpark
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I was going to respond with an actual argument but then I saw someone basically say Duke is just as good of a slot receiver as Landry.
I definitely don’t miss these scorching hot takes.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Well with one of the worst HC’s and some of the worst QB play imaginable Duke averages more yards per catch, more yards per target and more yards after catch.
But apparently that means Sheet because, pro bowls
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The Cleveland Browns added a slot receiver that defenses love when they acquired Jarvis Landry from the Miami Dolphins.
Fans and media alike declared the Cleveland Browns back upon seeing the news that the Browns traded for Jarvis Landry from the Miami Dolphins. The Browns valiantly fended off the Baltimore Ravens and no one else for the services of a slot receiver that puts up a lot of empty calories, but doesn’t make a meaningful difference for a team.
Landry has caught 400 passes over his first four seasons and made the Pro Bowl three times. These are impressive feats, but there’s a reason they have happened and it’s not because Landry is a great receiver. It’s largely because it’s a winning formula for the other team.
A defensive staff is preparing to take on the Browns for the week. Right away they have to figure out how to account for Josh Gordon. He’s a gamebreaker that is a threat to score on almost any play. David Njoku is a 250-pound tight end that runs like a gazelle. If they don’t account for him, he can break a big play and score. Duke Johnson is a matchup problem who’s really dangerous after the catch.
Who’s worried about Landry in the slot? No one. Herein lies the problem. Landry officially becomes the least athletic skill player on the team. Less athletic than Dan Vitale, the team’s fullback. Less athletic than Tyrod Taylor, the team’s new starting quarterback.
So even if Landry catches the ball, he’s not really a threat after the catch, averaging 5.1 yards yards after the catch per reception over his career. Factoring in the fact his overall average per reception is 10, that means Landry is catching the ball basically five yards past the line of scrimmage.
A defense can have a linebacker or slot corner take care of that effectively. Or just drop into a soft zone and then tackle him after he catches it. Unless he goes deeper down the field, he’s not a huge concern. There is quite literally no one a defense would rather have with the ball in their hands, because he is the least threatening.
They have to stop Gordon, make sure Njoku is accounted for, deal with players like Duke and Coleman, even if it’s just a single player matching up on them. Teams will let Landry catch the ball, because he’s not threatening. They don’t want to let him run free, but they’ll let him catch a five yard pass and then tackle him short of the first down.
For his career, 54.5 percent of the time Landry catches the ball, he gets a first down. By comparison, Seth DeValve has converted 65 percent of his receptions for first downs in his first two seasons. He does that while being almost 40 pounds heavier, more athletic and averaging more per reception.
Just by the numbers, if a defense plays good run defense and makes sure no one else kills them in the passing game, they’re going to get off the field basically in two sets of downs. Landry piles up numbers over the course of the game, which look good on a stat sheet, but mean little in terms of impacting the game, because the opponent is happy to let him get the ball and just tackle him, forcing them to punt it away.
In games Landry led the Dolphins in receiving yards, they notched a 7-15 over the course of his four year career. Their overall record over that span is 30-35, so they are 23-20 in games where anyone else leads the team in receiving yards. It’s a simple formula. Make Landry beat you.
No defensive coordinator is worried about Landry. As long as teams are throwing the ball to Landry, they aren’t throwing the ball to difference makers that can actually win the game, can force the offense to punt the ball away and ultimately win the game. Landry gets a trip to Hawaii and the team ends up going 5-11.
Meanwhile, quarterbacks want to complete passes. So when Gordon or Njoku are covered but might have opportunities, the quarterback may just go ahead and complete the sure thing in the wide open Landry underneath that gets tackled short of the sticks. It looks good on his stat sheet. Unfortunately, the offense goes nowhere. It’s a trap and most quarterbacks will fall into it.
Landry is getting paid just shy of $16 million to be the guy no one fears this season. In a vacuum, it’s as unimportant as the money paid to Brock Osweiler last year, but there should be zero talk of a contract extension. Landry would be a fool to take an extension to get paid what he’s actually worth. That would mean the Browns are prepared to give him about $10 million per year, which is utterly insane for what he’s actually doing.
The best case scenario for the Cleveland Browns is that Landry plays out this year, racks up a ton of yardage and goes to the Pro Bowl again. At that point, the Browns let him walk and some other team gives him the contact they’ll regret the Browns are hopefully too smart to offer. The Browns effectively get back what they paid to get to obtain Landry in the form of compensatory picks that can be used for more useful pieces to the team. If that’s the plan, it’s a brilliant one, but in the mean time, Jarvis Landry is the type of player that will put up numbers, but won’t win games.
An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
An article I read a while back that has had me worried since and today sure didn't help
Your article states that he averages 10 yard per catch. It complains that he catches most around the 5 yard range and only gets 5 yac. Now I don't pretend to comprehend high in math but what that says to me is he averages a first down per catch, you know 10 yards is a first down and all
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If you say we have to overpay then you're admitting we overpaid, which is my issue...
If you say we have to overpay then you're admitting we overpaid, which is my issue...
We are a 1 - 23 football team. How in the hell can you not understand we will pay a premium for ANY decent player?
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Seems a lot of people are underestimating Landry, and the impact of possession/slot receivers. This has been one of the greatest weaknesses of Browns offenses for the past decade.
2 things, consistency and ability to separate quickly.
For a comparison, Brady destroys the league every year with Landry-type recievers (but less talented) and TEs. Best way to keep LBs on their heels is to force them to consider coverage issues.
Duke, Landry, and Njoku (if he continues to develop) could be the best benefits to our running game.
The "go-deep" and outside WRs are seriously overrated. They may put safeties on their heels but they rarely lead teams to championships.
Rant over...
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Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
Some of you can’t handle another opinion without aiming abuse.
And I’m the crybaby ?
Syd's a dickhead crybaby.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
If you say we have to overpay then you're admitting we overpaid, which is my issue...
Well then what alternative would you propose a historically bad team to do in order to attract and retain talent?
I don’t think this contract is overpaying but that seems to be your consistent gripe. I personally don’t care about the idea of what is or isn’t overpaying until the Browns can put out a product that would attract free agents and encourage players to stick around.
Well then what alternative would you propose a historically bad team to do in order to attract and retain talent?
I don’t think this contract is overpaying but that seems to be your consistent gripe. I personally don’t care about the idea of what is or isn’t overpaying until the Browns can put out a product that would attract free agents and encourage players to stick around.
Exactly- until we start winning- we're going to have to pay a premium for top players. Some guys like Cousins and Suh wouldn't even consider the Browns- because why play for a dumpster fire regardless of how much I can make. Guys like that coming off Franchise tags- or the equivalent- are already set for life, they can pick and chose their destinations. Also paying Landry sends a clear message to the rest of the League- come here, if you're good enough we'll pay you.
That isn't very much is it, we could have got that out of Duke or a slot WR in the draft and not paid them elite WR money
LOL, and having a historical amount of cap room got us 0-16 last year. Thing is- we still have more cap room than anyone- I wouldn't worry too much about what Landry is getting.... Even if Gordon behaves and we have to pay him out the wazoo next year on top of that.
So you want to gamble Christian Kirk not only will be there at #33, but can put up Landry's production? Changing Duke to a slot receiver is going to bump him up to 100+ catches? Sorry, that's crazy, it already would have happened.
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