Inside Info about a Divided Browns Org on our QB? Interesting stuff from a guy who (says he) knows a guy...
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Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
Good news for you, but sh*** news for me.... Just got off the phone with my brother-in-law about an hour ago... he said the Giants are rebuffing even the Broncos current unbelievable trade offer because their personnel group is operating under belief that the Browns are taking Baker Mayfield at 1.
They will stay at number 2, Select Sam Darnold in a scenario that at the start of the draft season was only thought to be an unattainable fantasy.
The coaches desire for Josh Rosen has apparently cooled due to the neurology review and medical assessment during his private workout and private medical review at the hospital showing he may have some longterm risk having sustained 4 concussions in 3.5 years (2 in high school; 2 in college).
After the interviews and private workouts, Baker Mayfield has won the QB derby.....
Giants personnel group actually thinks the Browns will go 1. Baker Mayfield and 4. Denzel Ward.
At this point, my b.i.l. thinks the top 7 will go: 1. Browns: Baker Mayfield, 2. Giants: Sam Darnold, 3. Jets: Josh Rosen, 4. Browns: Denzel Ward, 5. Broncos: Quenton Nelson or Trade down with Buffalo who comes up to get Josh Allen, 6. Colts: Bradley Chubb, 7. Buccaneers: Saquon Barkley
1. The Oklahoma staff firmly believes that Baker is John Dorsey's guy... and that he's been so all along specifically because Dorsey called the coaches and private manager of Mayfield and told him to keep his head down and stay out of trouble more than once.
2. Supposedly, The O-Coaches & Eliot Wolf (Haley, Zampese, and Hue) wanted Rosen but now it's Darnold after private meetings and neurological assessments of Rosen... meanwhile the key Personnel group (Dorsey, Highsmith, McCloughan) all are full on Team Mayfield...
Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
My condolences Tour.... Chief Smoke Blanket Dorsey sending up heavy Allen rumors. Just MHO- Mayfield at #1 is less of a reach than Allen.
If the "neurological assessment" causes the medical staff to cross off Rosen, then that's it... life is going to be harder.
Hey there AGS Energy- don't go arguing with a medical professional about what's inside Rosen's noggin. FWIW, my best pal and fellow season ticket holder is a neurologist. When he talks head injuries, I listen.
EDit:Dutch tell Chuck to stop stealing my rap til Poe'g gets back from Tampa
Hoorta & Marko must have noodlin drug poor poe'g like a catfish to internet-less Tampa 
So little Saquon banter lately- I hardly noticed.
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Well... there's been a couple updates. And they are not good news for either the Rosen or Allen lovers...
My condolences Tour.... Chief Smoke Blanket Dorsey sending up heavy Allen rumors. Just MHO- Mayfield at #1 is less of a reach than Allen.
If the "neurological assessment" causes the medical staff to cross off Rosen, then that's it... life is going to be harder.
Hey there AGS Energy- don't go arguing with a medical professional about what's inside Rosen's noggin. FWIW, my best pal and fellow season ticket holder is a neurologist. When he talks head injuries, I listen.
EDit:Dutch tell Chuck to stop stealing my rap til Poe'g gets back from Tampa
Hoorta & Marko must have noodlin drug poor poe'g like a catfish to internet-less Tampa So little Saquon banter lately- I hardly noticed.
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This picture gives this scenario a lot more credibility. Look who is directly to the left of Dorsey, yeah that’s Scot McCloughan
This picture gives this scenario a lot more credibility. Look who is directly to the left of Dorsey, yeah that’s Scot McCloughan
Maybe Hue is the photographer for these events.
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The fact that the "experts" on tv and other reporting arenas don't have a consensus #1 candidate shows us that it's probably not out of the question that OUR experts don't have a shared conclusion. Obviously it'd be NICE if everyone felt the same way, but I can think of pluses and minuses to each guy, so I'm sure they're battling the same issue. There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen. To be honest, I don't really care WHO we take at #1, as long as it's a QB, and as long as it's NOT Josh Allen. He just looks like a total bust to me UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him. Playing QB for the Browns is a way different animal, as we all know.
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Actually Wolf is to his left. Right?
Actually Wolf is to his left. Right?
Yeah, my mistake. Wolf is to his left, Scot McCloughan is behind and to his right
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The fact that the "experts" on tv and other reporting arenas don't have a consensus #1 candidate shows us that it's probably not out of the question that OUR experts don't have a shared conclusion. Obviously it'd be NICE if everyone felt the same way, but I can think of pluses and minuses to each guy, so I'm sure they're battling the same issue. There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen. To be honest, I don't really care WHO we take at #1, as long as it's a QB, and as long as it's NOT Josh Allen. He just looks like a total bust to me UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him. Playing QB for the Browns is a way different animal, as we all know.
There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen.
... a total bust... UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him.
I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Actually Wolf is to his left. Right?
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There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen.
... a total bust... UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him.
I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
Would it be fair to say the smaller group is Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and (maybe) McCloughan?
I'm sure the "Inner Circle" has consulted DePo's advanced metrics and every other one out there saying a certain Wyoming Quarterback has the highest bust potential of any of the top 4 QBs. So why would they even consider him at #1?
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I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
Would it be fair to say the smaller group is Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and (maybe) McCloughan?
I'm sure the "Inner Circle" has consulted DePo's advanced metrics and every other one out there saying a certain Wyoming Quarterback has the highest bust potential of any of the top 4 QBs. So why would they even consider him at #1?
Would it be fair to say the smaller group is Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and (maybe) McCloughan?
I'm sure the "Inner Circle" has consulted DePo's advanced metrics and every other one out there saying a certain Wyoming Quarterback has the highest bust potential of any of the top 4 QBs. So why would they even consider him at #1?
Because, they may be ignoring those metric/analytics and are just looking at the big frame/big arm and are thinking he may be BRII?
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I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
Would it be fair to say the smaller group is Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and (maybe) McCloughan?
I'm sure the "Inner Circle" has consulted DePo's advanced metrics and every other one out there saying a certain Wyoming Quarterback has the highest bust potential of any of the top 4 QBs. So why would they even consider him at #1?
Would it be fair to say the smaller group is Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and (maybe) McCloughan?
I'm sure the "Inner Circle" has consulted DePo's advanced metrics and every other one out there saying a certain Wyoming Quarterback has the highest bust potential of any of the top 4 QBs. So why would they even consider him at #1?
I actually think DePo is in that room as well, but not McCloughan.
Highsmith? Maybe, but if he is in, then I'm not sure the identically titled Barry and Kovash aren't as well... and suddenly the room is getting bigger.
As for considering Allen... that'd only take someone believing he's seen something. If that someone is Dorsey and that something is enough, then it may be hard to push him off "his guy". And that, in a nutshell, is the other edge of the double-edged, "football guy" sword.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The latest....
As the Browns organization has gone completely Dark (some personnel scouts have been effectively let go now that the hays in the barn), there's no more leaks forthcoming unless directly sourced by John Dorsey, Hue, the Haslams, Paul DePo, etc... )
It's going to be a wild last weeks... just rest assured that Josh Allen has a zero percent chance of being picked.... We will end up with Darnold or Mayfield at 1... hopefully something unknown or unseen has taken place to sway the forces that be in the direction of Darnold... Did Baker really get wasted the night before meeting with the Browns and the Browns found out about it?? (I doubt it, but that would definitely help if that rumor was true)
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The latest....
As the Browns organization has gone completely Dark (some personnel scouts have been effectively let go now that the hays in the barn), there's no more leaks forthcoming unless directly sourced by John Dorsey, Hue, the Haslams, Paul DePo, etc... )
It's going to be a wild last weeks... just rest assured that Josh Allen has a zero percent chance of being picked.... We will end up with Darnold or Mayfield at 1... hopefully something unknown or unseen has taken place to sway the forces that be in the direction of Darnold... Did Baker really get wasted the night before meeting with the Browns and the Browns found out about it?? (I doubt it, but that would definitely help if that rumor was true)
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The latest....
As the Browns organization has gone completely Dark (some personnel scouts have been effectively let go now that the hays in the barn), there's no more leaks forthcoming unless directly sourced by John Dorsey, Hue, the Haslams, Paul DePo, etc... )
It's going to be a wild last weeks... just rest assured that Josh Allen has a zero percent chance of being picked.... We will end up with Darnold or Mayfield at 1... hopefully something unknown or unseen has taken place to sway the forces that be in the direction of Darnold... Did Baker really get wasted the night before meeting with the Browns and the Browns found out about it?? (I doubt it, but that would definitely help if that rumor was true)
The latest....
As the Browns organization has gone completely Dark (some personnel scouts have been effectively let go now that the hays in the barn), there's no more leaks forthcoming unless directly sourced by John Dorsey, Hue, the Haslams, Paul DePo, etc... )
It's going to be a wild last weeks... just rest assured that Josh Allen has a zero percent chance of being picked.... We will end up with Darnold or Mayfield at 1... hopefully something unknown or unseen has taken place to sway the forces that be in the direction of Darnold... Did Baker really get wasted the night before meeting with the Browns and the Browns found out about it?? (I doubt it, but that would definitely help if that rumor was true)
And as Captain Picard would say Make it so (at) #1. Actually if Mayfiled was out hitting the bars before his interview, scratch Baker off the list. Hope that's just an ugly rumor...
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There's been so much talk about Josh Allen and Sam Darnold, I can't help but think that means it will be either Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen.
... a total bust... UNLESS he goes to a team with an established QB and experienced coaching structure that knows what to do with him.
I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
You know what I think? I believe we've known who we're taking #1 for a while, and we've been working on every other pick for the past few weeks/months. Yeah, nothing is more important than the QB selection, but we have SO MANY other picks, high picks, that I can't imagine we're still spending time on who we're picking #1. The biggest intrigue now is probably what we're doing at #4. We're going to be getting a ton of phone calls, so we have to decide if we're willing to move down, how far we'd be willing to go, and exactly what we need to make the trade.
One thing that concerns me is hearing this statement in a recent article. "In this draft, there's not much difference in picking at 22 or 52." I forget who said it, so I apologize, and this is just the opinion of one person, but it made me think about how often we've been burned by trading out of very high picks, and moving down to later portions of the first round. Perhaps we just ignore every phone call and simply stay put to try and find that "blue chip" type guy.
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The biggest intrigue to me now is who we go for at RB. Hyde is ok but he's not our long term answer. I don't want us to sit back and take the "remaining" RB. Get the 2nd best after Barkley if we don't take him. We will need to spend a little draft capital to do that IMO.
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The biggest intrigue to me now is who we go for at RB. Hyde is ok but he's not our long term answer. I don't want us to sit back and take the "remaining" RB. Get the 2nd best after Barkley if we don't take him. We will need to spend a little draft capital to do that IMO.
The biggest intrigue to me now is who we go for at RB. Hyde is ok but he's not our long term answer. I don't want us to sit back and take the "remaining" RB. Get the 2nd best after Barkley if we don't take him. We will need to spend a little draft capital to do that IMO.
Ronald Jones? Get the whole USC backfield?
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I believe that the Allen/ Darnold split being aired in our big room is reason for the rumors focusing on these two, but there's a limit to how much of the full group's time you are willing to waste on decided issues. Meanwhile "the decision" is being made by a much smaller, non-leaking group. That could mean that any of the top four are in play.
I don't get the "UNLESS". There simply is not a recipe for creating a QB where the raw material is as incomplete as it is in some cases.
You know what I think? I believe we've known who we're taking #1 for a while, and we've been working on every other pick for the past few weeks/months. Yeah, nothing is more important than the QB selection, but we have SO MANY other picks, high picks, that I can't imagine we're still spending time on who we're picking #1. The biggest intrigue now is probably what we're doing at #4. We're going to be getting a ton of phone calls, so we have to decide if we're willing to move down, how far we'd be willing to go, and exactly what we need to make the trade.
One thing that concerns me is hearing this statement in a recent article. "In this draft, there's not much difference in picking at 22 or 52." I forget who said it, so I apologize, and this is just the opinion of one person, but it made me think about how often we've been burned by trading out of very high picks, and moving down to later portions of the first round. Perhaps we just ignore every phone call and simply stay put to try and find that "blue chip" type guy.
You know what I think? I believe we've known who we're taking #1 for a while, and we've been working on every other pick for the past few weeks/months. Yeah, nothing is more important than the QB selection, but we have SO MANY other picks, high picks, that I can't imagine we're still spending time on who we're picking #1. The biggest intrigue now is probably what we're doing at #4. We're going to be getting a ton of phone calls, so we have to decide if we're willing to move down, how far we'd be willing to go, and exactly what we need to make the trade.
I'm sure different folks in our FO and on our staff have "known" who they want at #1 for months. Very similar to folks here in that regard. The difference is that they've had new data to consider from visits and workouts... data to which we are not privy. Our last real data was provided by the Combine. Most Pro Days flew by unnoticed.
But sure... they are doing the same for pick #4, #33, etc... plus they've been feeling out deals and running scenarios. While knowing their own mind is job one, knowing the minds of 31 other teams, at least to the extent that we are not blindsided by a pick or deal, is just as important and more difficult.
The biggest intrigue to me now is who we go for at RB. Hyde is ok but he's not our long term answer. I don't want us to sit back and take the "remaining" RB. Get the 2nd best after Barkley if we don't take him. We will need to spend a little draft capital to do that IMO.
Do we really need to find a long term answer at RB this draft? Is there a position that matters less and is less secure from a longevity standpoint than RB?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You know what I think? I believe we've known who we're taking #1 for a while, and we've been working on every other pick for the past few weeks/months. Yeah, nothing is more important than the QB selection, but we have SO MANY other picks, high picks, that I can't imagine we're still spending time on who we're picking #1. The biggest intrigue now is probably what we're doing at #4. We're going to be getting a ton of phone calls, so we have to decide if we're willing to move down, how far we'd be willing to go, and exactly what we need to make the trade.
I'm sure different folks in our FO and on our staff have "known" who they want at #1 for months. Very similar to folks here in that regard. The difference is that they've had new data to consider from visits and workouts... data to which we are not privy. Our last real data was provided by the Combine. Most Pro Days flew by unnoticed.
But sure... they are doing the same for pick #4, #33, etc... plus they've been feeling out deals and running scenarios. While knowing their own mind is job one, knowing the minds of 31 other teams, at least to the extent that we are not blindsided by a pick or deal, is just as important and more difficult.
The biggest intrigue to me now is who we go for at RB. Hyde is ok but he's not our long term answer. I don't want us to sit back and take the "remaining" RB. Get the 2nd best after Barkley if we don't take him. We will need to spend a little draft capital to do that IMO.
Do we really need to find a long term answer at RB this draft? Is there a position that matters less and is less secure from a longevity standpoint than RB?
Do we really need to find a long term answer at RB this draft? Is there a position that matters less and is less secure from a longevity standpoint than RB?
With Taylor as QB we have already added the slot guy and now we need a really quality RB as a priority if we want to have a ball control offense while completing a superior defense to get them the ball. So IMO at the moment it matters more. Hyde is fine but a ball control team needs more than one quality player @ RB for a gruelling season.
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