Trade Rumors and Specualtion
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This makes zero sense from the browns perspective. Why would they make this trade? There is almost no value to it.
This makes zero sense from the browns perspective. Why would they make this trade? There is almost no value to it.
Exactly. The Browns would get screwed in this situation. Considering the Jets gave up 3 second round picks just to move from #6 to #3. Ahem- draft value chart says the Bills owe us at least 1,000 points before we even start thinking about it. For us dropping to #2 and #12- in my book, even the both the Bills second round #53 and #56 + their first round next year isn't enough.
PS- from the Bills perspective assuming they think Darnold is Da Bomb- it's a great deal, and not out of line. Three firsts and two seconds to move up to #1.
Even if we have Darnold and Mayfield rated the same, losing out on the #4 still isn't worth it. Doubtful the Giants would think moving from #2 to #4 and getting the #22 would be worth their while either.
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Lol dude, they’re not taking Lamar Jackson. Obviously their #1 guy isn’t Darnold so they’re comfortable moving to 2. They’re picking a QB at 2, and it’s not going to be Lamar. It’s probanly going to be Baker Mayfield.
And check Dorsey’s history, he doesn’t fetch coffee for anyone. He literally wasn’t liked at Kansas City because he didn’t tell anyone who he was going to pick. He does what he wants, he gives no Shmucks
He is a coffee fetcher. He had to accept a 1 - 31 head coach and was told by the owner that he is not the HCs boss.
He is a coffee fetcher. He had to accept a 1 - 31 head coach and was told by the owner that he is not the HCs boss.
Nah- Dorsey along with Wolf are just in charge of the draft, they don't give a schmuck what Jackson thinks. Hue is out with Haslam interviewing the Homeless Guy for input.
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Agree I don't see where this works out in the Browns favor will you get the number to you go down to 12 and 22 and the Shmuck was the number one next year Jesus Christ almightyAgree I don't see where this works out in the Browns favor will you get the number to you go down to 12 and 22 and the Shmuck was the number one next year Jesus Christ almighty
Ah................. they drafted Winslow, Manzeil, Quinn, Coleman, Willie Green, Two_Tackle-Texac and Crisco Hands Coleman......................WTF made sense in any of that?
Ah................. they drafted Winslow, Manzeil, Quinn, Coleman, Willie Green, Two_Tackle-Texas and Crisco Hands Coleman......................WTF made sense in any of that?
And all the guys primarily responsible for drafting those players are no longer employed by the Browns. Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
EDIT: direct quote from Hue, Building the Browns Episode 1- just watched it today. "We have a (draft) process led by you (Dorsey)". Sorry Tom, when it comes to the draft, Dorsey is calling the shots, not Hue.
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Hue wants Black Tarkenton.
Can you imagine how many coffees Dorsey has to fetch.
Lol dude, they’re not taking Lamar Jackson. Obviously their #1 guy isn’t Darnold so they’re comfortable moving to 2. They’re picking a QB at 2, and it’s not going to be Lamar. It’s probanly going to be Baker Mayfield.
And check Dorsey’s history, he doesn’t fetch coffee for anyone. He literally wasn’t liked at Kansas City because he didn’t tell anyone who he was going to pick. He does what he wants, he gives no Shmucks
Lol dude, they’re not taking Lamar Jackson. Obviously their #1 guy isn’t Darnold so they’re comfortable moving to 2. They’re picking a QB at 2, and it’s not going to be Lamar. It’s probanly going to be Baker Mayfield.
And check Dorsey’s history, he doesn’t fetch coffee for anyone. He literally wasn’t liked at Kansas City because he didn’t tell anyone who he was going to pick. He does what he wants, he gives no Shmucks
We don't know that- and it will take a hell of a lot more than what's rumored the Bills are currently offering to get it done.
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As Hoorta said, looking at the charts we lose a lot of draft value on this trade.
The only way I see it happening is if we got any interesting Bills' players. And I can only think of Tre'Davious, and he's too young and too promising to be involved in a trade, I think.
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Lol dude, they’re not taking Lamar Jackson. Obviously their #1 guy isn’t Darnold so they’re comfortable moving to 2. They’re picking a QB at 2, and it’s not going to be Lamar. It’s probanly going to be Baker Mayfield.
And check Dorsey’s history, he doesn’t fetch coffee for anyone. He literally wasn’t liked at Kansas City because he didn’t tell anyone who he was going to pick. He does what he wants, he gives no Shmucks
We don't know that- and it will take a hell of a lot more than what's rumored the Bills are currently offering to get it done.
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Multiple Folks saying
#Bills#Giants#Browns working on 3 Team Trade... Browns would slide to 2nd, Bills would land 1st Overall & Giants would slide to 4th or 12th. Heard it from few people.... Browns would be monetizing taking Josh Allen... Remember, it's silly season...It will only happen if the Browns get screwed, its the way of the world .... I think its cowpoop by the way,
Remember, it's silly season...
No, actually it isn't. The 'Silly Season' is a term from Formula 1 racing. It starts in the latter part of the F1 schedule when drivers are being rumoured for various different rides (teams) for the following F1 season. We're nowhere near the Silly Season.
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Sometimes I think I missed my calling. If quoting your "manager" who is a part-time D1 ref who happens to ref a preseason Bills game counts as a reliable enough source to catch on, I have no doubt I could "report" as well.
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Lol dude, they’re not taking Lamar Jackson. Obviously their #1 guy isn’t Darnold so they’re comfortable moving to 2. They’re picking a QB at 2, and it’s not going to be Lamar. It’s probanly going to be Baker Mayfield.
And check Dorsey’s history, he doesn’t fetch coffee for anyone. He literally wasn’t liked at Kansas City because he didn’t tell anyone who he was going to pick. He does what he wants, he gives no Shmucks
He is a coffee fetcher. He had to accept a 1 - 31 head coach and was told by the owner that he is not the HCs boss.
He is a coffee fetcher. He had to accept a 1 - 31 head coach and was told by the owner that he is not the HCs boss.
This is true.....but he still controls the draft.
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Agree I don't see where this works out in the Browns favor will you get the number to you go down to 12 and 22 and the Shmuck was the number one next year Jesus Christ almightyAgree I don't see where this works out in the Browns favor will you get the number to you go down to 12 and 22 and the Shmuck was the number one next year Jesus Christ almighty
Ah................. they drafted Winslow, Manzeil, Quinn, Coleman, Willie Green, Two_Tackle-Texac and Crisco Hands Coleman......................WTF made sense in any of that?
Ah................. they drafted Winslow, Manzeil, Quinn, Coleman, Willie Green, Two_Tackle-Texac and Crisco Hands Coleman......................WTF made sense in any of that?
Those players basically were rated as being prospects worthy of the position the Browns drafted them. It made all the sense in the world to take them where they took them.....at the time.
Its just that they turned out busts.....along with a few others equally positioned that you did not mention.....Gilbert, Erving, Mingo, Weeden, Quinn etc. If they had not busted for us, they would have busted for the team that picked one pick behind where we took them.
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As Hoorta said, looking at the charts we lose a lot of draft value on this trade.
The only way I see it happening is if we got any interesting Bills' players. And I can only think of Tre'Davious, and he's too young and too promising to be involved in a trade, I think.
As Hoorta said, looking at the charts we lose a lot of draft value on this trade.
The only way I see it happening is if we got any interesting Bills' players. And I can only think of Tre'Davious, and he's too young and too promising to be involved in a trade, I think.
I'm trying to figure this one out myself ...
The only scenario that makes sense for me is:
Cleveland moves from #1 and #4 to #2 and #12 and gets #51, 53 and 65 from Buffalo and a 2019 1st (valued as pick #33 this year). That would give Cleveland 8 of the first 65 picks (and their first in the 3rd round back that they gave up for Tyrod) ... and a 2019 1st round pick ... and the new trade-value chart says they give up 1,490 and get back 1,539
NYG give up #2 and get #4 and #22 .... which is giving up 717 in value for 743 back
Buffalo gives up #12, 22, 51, 53, 65 and a 2019 1st round pick to get the #1 pick, which is giving up 1,074 to get back 1,000
It actually, on paper, makes sense for all involved. But with that being said, does the Browns roster really need 2 1st round picks and 5 2nd round picks and the first 3rd round pick in the draft? Or do the Browns then turn around and use all of those 2nd rounders to get back into the 1st at least once, and still come away with a 1st in 2019.
Browns could trade #33, #51 and #65 to move up to #11
Browns could trade #35, #53 to move up to #19So in theory, Browns could convert #1, #4, #33, #35, #64 into #2, #11, #12, #19 and #65 and a 2019 1st
I don't follow the team as much as you guys obviously, but if this trade were to go down, I don't see the Browns sitting around with 6 picks between 33 and 65 and not moving back into the 1st at least once.
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As Hoorta said, looking at the charts we lose a lot of draft value on this trade.
The only way I see it happening is if we got any interesting Bills' players. And I can only think of Tre'Davious, and he's too young and too promising to be involved in a trade, I think.
I'm trying to figure this one out myself ...
The only scenario that makes sense for me is:
Cleveland moves from #1 and #4 to #2 and #12 and gets #51, 53 and 65 from Buffalo and a 2019 1st (valued as pick #33 this year). That would give Cleveland 8 of the first 65 picks (and their first in the 3rd round back that they gave up for Tyrod) ... and a 2019 1st round pick ... and the new trade-value chart says they give up 1,490 and get back 1,539
NYG give up #2 and get #4 and #22 .... which is giving up 717 in value for 743 back
Buffalo gives up #12, 22, 51, 53, 65 and a 2019 1st round pick to get the #1 pick, which is giving up 1,074 to get back 1,000
It actually, on paper, makes sense for all involved. But with that being said, does the Browns roster really need 2 1st round picks and 5 2nd round picks and the first 3rd round pick in the draft? Or do the Browns then turn around and use all of those 2nd rounders to get back into the 1st at least once, and still come away with a 1st in 2019.
Browns could trade #33, #51 and #65 to move up to #11
Browns could trade #35, #53 to move up to #19So in theory, Browns could convert #1, #4, #33, #35, #64 into #2, #11, #12, #19 and #65 and a 2019 1st
I don't follow the team as much as you guys obviously, but if this trade were to go down, I don't see the Browns sitting around with 6 picks between 33 and 65 and not moving back into the 1st at least once.
I'm trying to figure this one out myself ...
The only scenario that makes sense for me is:
Cleveland moves from #1 and #4 to #2 and #12 and gets #51, 53 and 65 from Buffalo and a 2019 1st (valued as pick #33 this year). That would give Cleveland 8 of the first 65 picks (and their first in the 3rd round back that they gave up for Tyrod) ... and a 2019 1st round pick ... and the new trade-value chart says they give up 1,490 and get back 1,539
NYG give up #2 and get #4 and #22 .... which is giving up 717 in value for 743 back
Buffalo gives up #12, 22, 51, 53, 65 and a 2019 1st round pick to get the #1 pick, which is giving up 1,074 to get back 1,000
It actually, on paper, makes sense for all involved. But with that being said, does the Browns roster really need 2 1st round picks and 5 2nd round picks and the first 3rd round pick in the draft? Or do the Browns then turn around and use all of those 2nd rounders to get back into the 1st at least once, and still come away with a 1st in 2019.
Browns could trade #33, #51 and #65 to move up to #11
Browns could trade #35, #53 to move up to #19So in theory, Browns could convert #1, #4, #33, #35, #64 into #2, #11, #12, #19 and #65 and a 2019 1st
I don't follow the team as much as you guys obviously, but if this trade were to go down, I don't see the Browns sitting around with 6 picks between 33 and 65 and not moving back into the 1st at least once.
Well done. I can see where that is plausible. They would get a QB they want....likely...for as I said...to me all the QBs are about of equal ....unknown....value. A guy I may like as well may actually not go until round 2. Plus they could get a defender for sure either DB or DL...plus an OT.
I am willing to convert 5 draft picks into 4....and get two more first rounders who could hopefully fill our needs at a quality level.
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As Hoorta said, looking at the charts we lose a lot of draft value on this trade.
The only way I see it happening is if we got any interesting Bills' players. And I can only think of Tre'Davious, and he's too young and too promising to be involved in a trade, I think.
I'm trying to figure this one out myself ...
The only scenario that makes sense for me is:
Cleveland moves from #1 and #4 to #2 and #12 and gets #51, 53 and 65 from Buffalo and a 2019 1st (valued as pick #33 this year). That would give Cleveland 8 of the first 65 picks (and their first in the 3rd round back that they gave up for Tyrod) ... and a 2019 1st round pick ... and the new trade-value chart says they give up 1,490 and get back 1,539
NYG give up #2 and get #4 and #22 .... which is giving up 717 in value for 743 back
Buffalo gives up #12, 22, 51, 53, 65 and a 2019 1st round pick to get the #1 pick, which is giving up 1,074 to get back 1,000
It actually, on paper, makes sense for all involved. But with that being said, does the Browns roster really need 2 1st round picks and 5 2nd round picks and the first 3rd round pick in the draft? Or do the Browns then turn around and use all of those 2nd rounders to get back into the 1st at least once, and still come away with a 1st in 2019.
Browns could trade #33, #51 and #65 to move up to #11
Browns could trade #35, #53 to move up to #19So in theory, Browns could convert #1, #4, #33, #35, #64 into #2, #11, #12, #19 and #65 and a 2019 1st
I don't follow the team as much as you guys obviously, but if this trade were to go down, I don't see the Browns sitting around with 6 picks between 33 and 65 and not moving back into the 1st at least once.
The only scenario that makes sense for me is:
That's a lot of math! Problem is that the name of the game is not "Even Steven", it's "Win".
I am curious as to what chart you are using that values the #1 pick at 1000. I'm not familiar with that one.
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The only scenario that makes sense for me is:
That's a lot of math! Problem is that the name of the game is not "Even Steven", it's "Win".
I am curious as to what chart you are using that values the #1 pick at 1000. I'm not familiar with that one.
That's a lot of math! Problem is that the name of the game is not "Even Steven", it's "Win".
I am curious as to what chart you are using that values the #1 pick at 1000. I'm not familiar with that one.
I'll help you out- since that was my math. Using the old draft value chart going #1 to #2. and moving #4 to #12. roughly equals 1,000. I'll posit losing the #4, getting #12 and a first round pick from the Bills in 2019 isn't nearly enough.
Even if the Bills offered us the #12, and both second rounders- don't think I'm interested. What would we do with five second round picks? I'm on a Quality kick this year Tour- heck with Quantity. We already have 5 in the first 64.
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The only scenario that makes sense for me is:
That's a lot of math! Problem is that the name of the game is not "Even Steven", it's "Win".
I am curious as to what chart you are using that values the #1 pick at 1000. I'm not familiar with that one.
That's a lot of math! Problem is that the name of the game is not "Even Steven", it's "Win".
I am curious as to what chart you are using that values the #1 pick at 1000. I'm not familiar with that one.
It's apparently the new and accepted trade-value chart.
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